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Post by digs on Aug 14, 2019 7:59:22 GMT 1
at least Jans getting his wish,no nice performances,
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 14, 2019 8:13:47 GMT 1
Tonight has to be the point, if not Friday, when everyone in charge of the club (including DH) stands back, holds their hands up and says; "We need to look at ourselves, take stock, accept things aren't right and we need a plan to stabilise short term and move forward longer term ". Tonight we witnessed; A team who were sent out in a shape that didn't work, tactics that were unfathomable and a team that were like strangers. Players who largely looked uncertain,lacking confidence and no coherence. Schofield and VLP are the only two who came out with credit. But I blame the coach and his barmy tactics. A coach who looked somewhere between clueless and as though he was scouting the game rather than being in charge. He then had the temerity to blame the players and threw them under the bus. Given he'd presided over the tactics this was shameful. The much maligned Billing may have been foolish to make comments in the press but it's looking increasingly like he was absolutely right in his assessment. We have an assistant coach with perma tan and highlights in his hair. Quite frankly he looks bloody ridiculous and although this wouldn't matter if he was any good but the fact he is the age he is and has only had low level jobs says a lot. We then have our new Chairman melodramatically stomping up and down the side of the pitch with his phone pressed to his ear. This is in view of those remaining in the ground, including the press. This is grossly unprofessional and gives the impression that there is more than a little bit of "look at me" about PH. It's nothing like how DH would behave. All in all he's not doing a great job in leaving a favourable impression. We then have a report that our Chief Executive is having, and I quote "A heated debate " with the media manager. The sum total is that in a short space of time the club has moved from stable, transparent and well run to a complete and utter shambles in comparison. All concerned need to be honest,put their ego aside and pull together. I'm afraid Siewert has to go and needs replacing with a credible replacement. We then need some sensible communication about the direction of the club and what we should expect in terms of budgets and strategy for the next year,3 years and 5 years. It is unbelievable that it should come to this and all responsible should feel uncomfortable tonight. And those who are able need to do something about it. Rant over... One final thing....The fans have done more than their bit over the past two years. People being annoyed and challenging should not be criticised. Personal abuse us not acceptable but fans saying enough is enough is perfectly reasonable. UTT Excellent post. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 8:15:07 GMT 1
The board are dumb if they don’t get rid. A full preseason and 3 games in without a goal in open play.... NOTHING HAS CHANGED! The rot will set in even worse, the club needs a lift from an experienced and competent man manager. Hodgkinson says we need to ‘stabilise’ in the Championship, we’ll end up going down!
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 14, 2019 8:20:01 GMT 1
Sadly, I don't think it's just Siewert. The whole club looks like a shambles. I am old enough to remember our last appearance in the top flight and the subsequent collapse. I am very worried that I am about to watch it all again.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 14, 2019 8:35:31 GMT 1
Tonight has to be the point, if not Friday, when everyone in charge of the club (including DH) stands back, holds their hands up and says; "We need to look at ourselves, take stock, accept things aren't right and we need a plan to stabilise short term and move forward longer term ". Tonight we witnessed; A team who were sent out in a shape that didn't work, tactics that were unfathomable and a team that were like strangers. Players who largely looked uncertain,lacking confidence and no coherence. Schofield and VLP are the only two who came out with credit. But I blame the coach and his barmy tactics. A coach who looked somewhere between clueless and as though he was scouting the game rather than being in charge. He then had the temerity to blame the players and threw them under the bus. Given he'd presided over the tactics this was shameful. The much maligned Billing may have been foolish to make comments in the press but it's looking increasingly like he was absolutely right in his assessment. We have an assistant coach with perma tan and highlights in his hair. Quite frankly he looks bloody ridiculous and although this wouldn't matter if he was any good but the fact he is the age he is and has only had low level jobs says a lot. We then have our new Chairman melodramatically stomping up and down the side of the pitch with his phone pressed to his ear. This is in view of those remaining in the ground, including the press. This is grossly unprofessional and gives the impression that there is more than a little bit of "look at me" about PH. It's nothing like how DH would behave. All in all he's not doing a great job in leaving a favourable impression. We then have a report that our Chief Executive is having, and I quote "A heated debate " with the media manager. The sum total is that in a short space of time the club has moved from stable, transparent and well run to a complete and utter shambles in comparison. All concerned need to be honest,put their ego aside and pull together. I'm afraid Siewert has to go and needs replacing with a credible replacement. We then need some sensible communication about the direction of the club and what we should expect in terms of budgets and strategy for the next year,3 years and 5 years. It is unbelievable that it should come to this and all responsible should feel uncomfortable tonight. And those who are able need to do something about it. Rant over... One final thing....The fans have done more than their bit over the past two years. People being annoyed and challenging should not be criticised. Personal abuse us not acceptable but fans saying enough is enough is perfectly reasonable. UTT Excellent summation of the situation. Couldn’t agree more. Terrier Spirit we’ll and truly gone. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 14, 2019 9:23:22 GMT 1
I didn’t go last night, obviously, but I can imagine the scenes and mood at the ground last night. I vowed never to go to a League Cup game again after witnessing another shambolic night at Crystal Palace a couple of seasons ago. Town aren’t alone in this, but the club absolutely does NOT take Cup games seriously, and to suggest otherwise is an affront to fans.
Having said this I still had a restless night thinking about the utter mess the club seems to be in now. Your thoughts can seem very clear at 4 o’clock in the morning and it’s getting lighter outside. My God, this club has got some serious problems.
I’m sorry to say that a share of the blame HAS to go to Dean Hoyle. I know, I damned well know, that he was critically ill last season. Even so, the buck stops at the top and he was the guy that chose Julian Winter as his chief executive, and presumably sanctioned the recruitment and the sackings of Moss and Rebbe, and the dreadful, calamitous decision to appoint Jan Siewert as manager. The club has often stated that Siewert had been monitored as part of their “succession planning” for two or three years. When Wagner left it seems Siewert was on a shortlist of one. Ye Gods.
Big questions needs to be asked about Julian Winter’s stewardship of the club, particularly during DH’s absence. His communication with fans hasn’t been great at times.
David Wagner cannot escape criticism. He HAD to have a big part in the utterly woeful player recruitment of last summer that had a big effect on how Town performed last season and has now lumbered the club with a bunch of expensive flops that I predict (not difficult) will NEVER turn out to be a success at HTAFC - yes, I mean you Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bacuna, Sobhi. The player recruitment team led by Josh Marsh appear, from the outside, to be incompetent, but they are presumably guided by the manager and by the Board who set the targets, the strategy and the budget.
So now we come back to Dean Hoyle. If he is to be believed then Phil Hodgkinson was his CHOSEN successor. I have no idea what PH is truly worth, but it is safe to say Dean Hoyle will have a good idea. Early into PH’s tenure the omens don’t look great. If PH was indeed patrolling up and down the pitch last night with a puce face and on his mobile in full view of the media and remaining fans, then it’s just another example of apparently egotistical, embarrassing and amateurish behaviour by our club’s OWNER.
As others have said, the powers that be need to have a good hard look at themselves. I fear the club is truly on the cusp of wasting and destroying everything they had up till the end of the 17-18 season. Hard decisions have to be made, and NOW.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 14, 2019 9:41:42 GMT 1
I didn’t go last night, obviously, but I can imagine the scenes and mood at the ground last night. I vowed never to go to a League Cup game again after witnessing another shambolic night at Crystal Palace a couple of seasons ago. Town aren’t alone in this, but the club absolutely does NOT take Cup games seriously, and to suggest otherwise is an affront to fans. Having said this I still had a restless night thinking about the utter mess the club seems to be in now. Your thoughts can seem very clear at 4 o’clock in the morning and it’s getting lighter outside. My God, this club has got some serious problems. I’m sorry to say that a share of the blame HAS to go to Dean Hoyle. I know, I damned well know, that he was critically ill last season. Even so, the buck stops at the top and he was the guy that chose Julian Winter as his chief executive, and presumably sanctioned the recruitment and the sackings of Moss and Rebbe, and the dreadful, calamitous decision to appoint Jan Siewert as manager. The club has often stated that Siewert had been monitored as part of their “succession planning” for two or three years. When Wagner left it seems Siewert was on a shortlist of one. Ye Gods. Big questions needs to be asked about Julian Winter’s stewardship of the club, particularly during DH’s absence. His communication with fans hasn’t been great at times. David Wagner cannot escape criticism. He HAD to have a big part in the utterly woeful player recruitment of last summer that had a big effect on how Town performed last season and has now lumbered the club with a bunch of expensive flops that I predict (not difficult) will NEVER turn out to be a success at HTAFC - yes, I mean you Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bacuna, Sobhi. The player recruitment team led by Josh Marsh appear, from the outside, to be incompetent, but they are presumably guided by the manager and by the Board who set the targets, the strategy and the budget. So now we come back to Dean Hoyle. If he is to be believed then Phil Hodgkinson was his CHOSEN successor. I have no idea what PH is truly worth, but it is safe to say Dean Hoyle will have a good idea. Early into PH’s tenure the omens don’t look great. If PH was indeed patrolling up and down the pitch last night with a puce face and on his mobile in full view of the media and remaining fans, then it’s just another example of apparently egotistical, embarrassing and amateurish behaviour by our club’s OWNER. As others have said, the powers that be need to have a good hard look at themselves. I fear the club is truly on the cusp of wasting and destroying everything they had up till the end of the 17-18 season. Hard decisions have to be made, and NOW. I couldn't agree more. It is incredibly sad that we have ended up in this state. The seeds were indeed sewn long before DH fell ill. The only people who come out of this with any credit are the fans. We have created a wholly positive image for the club and have been incredibly patient. The bigger picture is that all the hard work off the pitch with initiatives such as the Foundation and the commercial development (the Huddersfield 100 isn't going to number 100 if this continues) could be negatively impacted. I am afraid there is no quick fix but it is also true that if you are in a hole continuing to dig isn't a great strategy. The first thing is that PH and his team need to accept there are fundamental challenges. At the moment we seem to be developing a bunker mentality that "everything isn't broken" (a direct quote from Julian Winter if I recall correctly) the longer this continues the worse things will get. If PH wanted an opportunity to demonstrate his capability this is his chance. He is not wholly responsible for where we are but to date you could argue that he has exacerbated the situation with his either deluded or incompetent actions. As I posted a couple of times - it's a cock up. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 14, 2019 9:47:27 GMT 1
I didn’t go last night, obviously, but I can imagine the scenes and mood at the ground last night. I vowed never to go to a League Cup game again after witnessing another shambolic night at Crystal Palace a couple of seasons ago. Town aren’t alone in this, but the club absolutely does NOT take Cup games seriously, and to suggest otherwise is an affront to fans. Having said this I still had a restless night thinking about the utter mess the club seems to be in now. Your thoughts can seem very clear at 4 o’clock in the morning and it’s getting lighter outside. My God, this club has got some serious problems. I’m sorry to say that a share of the blame HAS to go to Dean Hoyle. I know, I damned well know, that he was critically ill last season. Even so, the buck stops at the top and he was the guy that chose Julian Winter as his chief executive, and presumably sanctioned the recruitment and the sackings of Moss and Rebbe, and the dreadful, calamitous decision to appoint Jan Siewert as manager. The club has often stated that Siewert had been monitored as part of their “succession planning” for two or three years. When Wagner left it seems Siewert was on a shortlist of one. Ye Gods. Big questions needs to be asked about Julian Winter’s stewardship of the club, particularly during DH’s absence. His communication with fans hasn’t been great at times. David Wagner cannot escape criticism. He HAD to have a big part in the utterly woeful player recruitment of last summer that had a big effect on how Town performed last season and has now lumbered the club with a bunch of expensive flops that I predict (not difficult) will NEVER turn out to be a success at HTAFC - yes, I mean you Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bacuna, Sobhi. The player recruitment team led by Josh Marsh appear, from the outside, to be incompetent, but they are presumably guided by the manager and by the Board who set the targets, the strategy and the budget. So now we come back to Dean Hoyle. If he is to be believed then Phil Hodgkinson was his CHOSEN successor. I have no idea what PH is truly worth, but it is safe to say Dean Hoyle will have a good idea. Early into PH’s tenure the omens don’t look great. If PH was indeed patrolling up and down the pitch last night with a puce face and on his mobile in full view of the media and remaining fans, then it’s just another example of apparently egotistical, embarrassing and amateurish behaviour by our club’s OWNER.As others have said, the powers that be need to have a good hard look at themselves. I fear the club is truly on the cusp of wasting and destroying everything they had up till the end of the 17-18 season. Hard decisions have to be made, and NOW. It's this bit that really worries me. We've gone from having an engaging, honest and committed owner to someone who acts like this. The Southport fan who posted on this board at the time of the "takeover" told us what to expect though. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 14, 2019 11:07:23 GMT 1
I'm not generally one for leaving early but last night we were at the far end of the B&Q car park & we heard the boos loud & clear at full time.
Performances like that are not acceptable regardless of what team is put out, Lincoln ran us ragged from the 1st minute & it's not like they were full strength either.
The fans were well within their rights to vent their frustrations at the end. We've supported the team 100%, support they wouldn't have got anywhere else during 18 months of horrendous performances with the decent performances you can count on one hand in that time.
The only people to come out with any credit in that time are the fans & the ticket office team, just about everyone else needs to have a long hard look in the mirror.
Not acceptable from a club that is supposedly financially stable after two years of premier league money & three years of parachute payments due, infact it's piss poor from top to bottom but as the head coach the book stops with Jan to improve things on the pitch first & foremost.
We're due a big performance against Fulham but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by ram on Aug 14, 2019 11:20:53 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there!
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Post by Maynardblue on Aug 14, 2019 11:25:03 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there! Or maybe they do and the level of vitriol and personal abuse makes them think that datm can go get fucked? Just a thought |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 14, 2019 11:27:21 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there! to be fair, why would we expect them to? |
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Post by ram on Aug 14, 2019 11:29:30 GMT 1
What would be he point in looking then. And please show me the personal abuse I have typed.
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Post by El Mel on Aug 14, 2019 11:38:00 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there! Or maybe they do and the level of vitriol and personal abuse makes them think that datm can go get fucked? Just a thought That's pretty much bang on I suspect. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2019 11:53:49 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there! Or maybe they do and the level of vitriol and personal abuse makes them think that datm can go get fucked? Just a thought Yeah, we'll carry on fucking the club up to get back at the fans who are worried. Great idea 🤬 |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 14, 2019 12:02:47 GMT 1
If Mr. Hoyle and others read Datm at all,as stated,they sure as Hell don't take any notice as to what is written there! Or maybe they do and the level of vitriol and personal abuse makes them think that datm can go get fucked? Just a thought Check out Facebook if you think the DATM vitriol and personal abuse is bad. |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 14, 2019 12:05:58 GMT 1
DATM is not a representative number of Town fans is it? usually anywhere between 200-300 ish on here at a time? What percent of Town fans is that?......
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Post by Maynardblue on Aug 14, 2019 12:30:36 GMT 1
Or maybe they do and the level of vitriol and personal abuse makes them think that datm can go get fucked? Just a thought Check out Facebook if you think the DATM vitriol and personal abuse is bad. I've seen it, but this thread is about datm |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 14, 2019 12:32:09 GMT 1
Check out Facebook if you think the DATM vitriol and personal abuse is bad. I've seen it, but this thread is about datm to be fair to datm, it is probably the same at every other fan forum. |
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Post by conman on Aug 14, 2019 13:13:12 GMT 1
DATM is not a representative number of Town fans is it? usually anywhere between 200-300 ish on here at a time? What percent of Town fans is that?...... A good 5% if we carry on like this.. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 14, 2019 13:26:05 GMT 1
DATM is not a representative number of Town fans is it? usually anywhere between 200-300 ish on here at a time? What percent of Town fans is that?...... I’d say that many who post and about 10 times as many who lurk and read DATM reflects a section of fans views - like a sample group - and shows the mood of the fan base |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 14, 2019 13:41:07 GMT 1
DATM is not a representative number of Town fans is it? usually anywhere between 200-300 ish on here at a time? What percent of Town fans is that?...... I’d say that many who post and about 10 times as many who lurk and read DATM reflects a section of fans views - like a sample group - and shows the mood of the fan base Either way, DATM is pretty fecking clear that Jan needs to go...….so highly likely that a bloody decent amount of fans in the stadium are clearly thinking the same...…...something tells me Jan might not last the 10 games assessment period!!! |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 14, 2019 23:04:45 GMT 1
I really think that Jan should stay with us and on his current money, but solely in charge of U-21 development, with someone more experienced managing the main team. Jan's a class act at the right level, which he's proven at the Germany national level in developing young players. Phil could really mint it with Jan developing young players for the next couple of seasons, keeping or selling them on. Then, when Jan's ready, he can move up the ladder and take on more responsibility. We really need to keep Jan, but it's about the "right man for the right job".
Managing Town seniors is not quite right for Jan today, but 2-3 years from now, he could be ready, and we need to keep him. Jan might be the next Guardiola, or he might be the next Wadsworth or Ternent, but regardless he's really got something good about him which others such as Klopp and others have noticed, and it's surely worth sticking with him and a ££££££ punt Phil and Dean?! |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 14, 2019 23:09:34 GMT 1
I really think that Jan should stay with us and on his current money, but solely in charge of U-21 development, with someone more experienced managing the main team. Jan's a class act at the right level, which he's proven at the Germany national level in developing young players. Phil could really mint it with Jan developing young players for the next couple of seasons, keeping or selling them on. Then, when Jan's ready, he can move up the ladder and take on more responsibility. We really need to keep Jan, but it's about the "right man for the right job".
Managing Town seniors is not quite right for Jan today, but 2-3 years from now, he could be ready, and we need to keep him. Jan might be the next Guardiola, or he might be the next Ternent, but either way he's really got something goodabout him, and Klopp and others agree, and it's surely worth sticking with him and a ££££££ punt Phil and Dean?! What has he done with Huddersfield Town that makes you believe any of that? |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 14, 2019 23:10:49 GMT 1
Phil Hodgkinson marching up the touchline shouting down the phone and no subsequent sacking of the inadequate manager just goes to show that he was doing it for show. All fart and no shit
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 14, 2019 23:11:27 GMT 1
Phil Hodgkinson marching up the touchline shouting down the phone and no subsequent sacking of the inadequate manager just goes to show that he was doing it for show. All fart and no shit Who said he was shouting? |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 14, 2019 23:13:10 GMT 1
I really think that Jan should stay with us and on his current money, but solely in charge of U-21 development, with someone more experienced managing the main team. Jan's a class act at the right level, which he's proven at the Germany national level in developing young players. Phil could really mint it with Jan developing young players for the next couple of seasons, keeping or selling them on. Then, when Jan's ready, he can move up the ladder and take on more responsibility. We really need to keep Jan, but it's about the "right man for the right job".
Managing Town seniors is not quite right for Jan today, but 2-3 years from now, he could be ready, and we need to keep him. Jan might be the next Guardiola, or he might be the next Ternent, but either way he's really got something goodabout him, and Klopp and others agree, and it's surely worth sticking with him and a ££££££ punt Phil and Dean?! What has he done with Huddersfield Town that makes you believe any of that?
Look at all the other great managers and see how many of them started badly, but they were given a chance, someone took a punt on them.
Sure, it might not work out, but taking care of the u-21s limits the risk massively whilst keeping the upside potential.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 23:27:04 GMT 1
DATM is not a representative number of Town fans is it? usually anywhere between 200-300 ish on here at a time? What percent of Town fans is that?...... I’d say that many who post and about 10 times as many who lurk and read DATM reflects a section of fans views - like a sample group - and shows the mood of the fan base Like the sample group in a lot of pubs, you get guys who haven't been down for 30 years telling you how crap we are. "Ya don't go down and watch that rubbish do ya?"  |
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Post by ritchie on Aug 14, 2019 23:36:29 GMT 1
I really think that Jan should stay with us and on his current money, but solely in charge of U-21 development, with someone more experienced managing the main team. Jan's a class act at the right level, which he's proven at the Germany national level in developing young players. Phil could really mint it with Jan developing young players for the next couple of seasons, keeping or selling them on. Then, when Jan's ready, he can move up the ladder and take on more responsibility. We really need to keep Jan, but it's about the "right man for the right job".
Managing Town seniors is not quite right for Jan today, but 2-3 years from now, he could be ready, and we need to keep him. Jan might be the next Guardiola, or he might be the next Wadsworth or Ternent, but regardless he's really got something good about him which others such as Klopp and others have noticed, and it's surely worth sticking with him and a ££££££ punt Phil and Dean?! Would be nice if people in football were that pragmatic, the amount of good staff lost due to managerial changes, things not working out at that time etc Not going to happen in a million years though. I guess non of us folk would want to be demoted either |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 14, 2019 23:38:01 GMT 1
I’d say that many who post and about 10 times as many who lurk and read DATM reflects a section of fans views - like a sample group - and shows the mood of the fan base Like the sample group in a lot of pubs, you get guys who haven't been down for 30 years telling you how crap we are. "Ya don't go down and watch that rubbish do ya?"
"Ya don't go down and watch that rubbish do ya?"
Where do you live? Have you ever been in Huddersfield?  
"Yer dun't go watch that f'g crap do yer?"
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