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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 23:43:14 GMT 1
Like the sample group in a lot of pubs, you get guys who haven't been down for 30 years telling you how crap we are. "Ya don't go down and watch that rubbish do ya?" 
"Ya don't go down and watch that rubbish do ya?"
Where do you live? Have you ever been in Huddersfield?   "Yer dun't go watch that f'g crap do yer?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 23:44:03 GMT 1
Phil Hodgkinson marching up the touchline shouting down the phone and no subsequent sacking of the inadequate manager just goes to show that he was doing it for show. All fart and no shit You cant get a signal down in the tunnel area of the stadium. He was ordering his takeaway and not happy delivery was > 30 minutes ! |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 14, 2019 23:44:30 GMT 1
I really think that Jan should stay with us and on his current money, but solely in charge of U-21 development, with someone more experienced managing the main team. Jan's a class act at the right level, which he's proven at the Germany national level in developing young players. Phil could really mint it with Jan developing young players for the next couple of seasons, keeping or selling them on. Then, when Jan's ready, he can move up the ladder and take on more responsibility. We really need to keep Jan, but it's about the "right man for the right job".
Managing Town seniors is not quite right for Jan today, but 2-3 years from now, he could be ready, and we need to keep him. Jan might be the next Guardiola, or he might be the next Wadsworth or Ternent, but regardless he's really got something good about him which others such as Klopp and others have noticed, and it's surely worth sticking with him and a ££££££ punt Phil and Dean?! Would be nice if people in football were that pragmatic, the amount of good staff lost due to managerial changes, things not working out at that time etc Not going to happen in a million years though. I guess non of us folk would want to be demoted either
I know that I'm an idealist. I try and see the good and bad in everyone. JS has got great potential, we could capture that if handled properly...but yeah, we won't, you're right. Wish I could cobble enough £££s to buy the club and sort it out
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Post by benhomly on Aug 14, 2019 23:53:07 GMT 1
Would be nice if people in football were that pragmatic, the amount of good staff lost due to managerial changes, things not working out at that time etc Not going to happen in a million years though. I guess non of us folk would want to be demoted either I know that I'm an idealist. I try and see the good and bad in everyone. JS has got great potential, we could capture that if handled properly...but yeah, we won't, you're right. Wish I could cobble enough £££s to buy the club and sort it out We've only Klopps word on the fact he's got great potential. There's been precious little evidence of it so far. In fact quite the opposite |
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Post by detox on Aug 15, 2019 7:36:17 GMT 1
Would be nice if people in football were that pragmatic, the amount of good staff lost due to managerial changes, things not working out at that time etc Not going to happen in a million years though. I guess non of us folk would want to be demoted either
I know that I'm an idealist. I try and see the good and bad in everyone. JS has got great potential, we could capture that if handled properly...but yeah, we won't, you're right. Wish I could cobble enough £££s to buy the club and sort it out
If his record is so good at the U21 level, as you say..that might indeed be an idea..but who's job would he take or would it be additional U21 staff. What about his dugout staff because new managers usually bring their own team with them...Problem for JS is we're cutting budgets at the moment, reducing staff...not adding more. JS has landed in a firefighting situation here after last season and this with the cuts to budgets...he's got to produce and produce quick..maybe this is alien to him as at juniors level it's all about development and less about results.. I suppose if the club still think he's an asset but not with the 1st team then it would fit nicely with me anyway.. it might not with Jan though.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 8:59:59 GMT 1
If his record is so good at the U21 level, as you say..that might indeed be an idea..but who's job would he take or would it be additional U21 staff. What about his dugout staff because new managers usually bring their own team with them...Problem for JS is we're cutting budgets at the moment, reducing staff...not adding more. JS has landed in a firefighting situation here after last season and this with the cuts to budgets...he's got to produce and produce quick..maybe this is alien to him as at juniors level it's all about development and less about results.. I suppose if the club still think he's an asset but not with the 1st team then it would fit nicely with me anyway.. it might not with Jan though.. Its all well being a good coach but many good coaches can't man manage well. I use to work with Lee Richardson's younger brother many years ago and when I asked him about Wadsworth his brother (Lee) had told him that he was a great coach but a poor man manager and this proved the case. There are many good managers that aren't great coaches, they get others to run that side of it week in week out but they are great at man managing players. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 15, 2019 9:34:11 GMT 1
The main worry for me is we pulled together, created an identity etc. Pressing football, etc etc.
It appears to have gone. We have chosen a head coach that appears to want to play differently, counter attacking rather than front pressing.
Want the whole point of the head coach system that players are brought on to fit the system so the next coach didn't need to change them?
Is the u23s are supposed to be coached to cut the system we play, why did they look clueless on Tuesday night?
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 17, 2019 22:02:01 GMT 1
Looks like Colin Murray reads this board too. Just mentioned "the fans forum reaction" to Jans sacking on tonight's Quest highlights.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 17, 2019 22:05:16 GMT 1
Looks like Colin Murray reads this board too. Just mentioned "the fans forum reaction" to Jans sacking on tonight's Quest highlights. Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 17, 2019 22:06:02 GMT 1
Looks like Colin Murray reads this board too. Just mentioned "the fans forum reaction" to Jans sacking on tonight's Quest highlights. Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels Including Bell? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 17, 2019 22:07:30 GMT 1
Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels Including Bell? Yeah he was preening his barnet |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 17, 2019 22:10:02 GMT 1
Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels Including Bell? That day i saw Bell before Derby game with tommy elf he looked really insincere, probably knew. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 17, 2019 22:18:18 GMT 1
Looks like Colin Murray reads this board too. Just mentioned "the fans forum reaction" to Jans sacking on tonight's Quest highlights. Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels Isn’t that basically Hudson, Whitehead, Iga etc, ie all Wagners men. If Jan has come and slated the old style of football as it would appear, I’d wager they’d be just as nonplussed with him as the players and glad to see the back of him. I’d only expect Barnet man to be supportive. Telling that Andy Hughes fucked us/him off almost immediately. Bet he told him exactly what he thought. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 17, 2019 22:18:27 GMT 1
Looks like Colin Murray reads this board too. Just mentioned "the fans forum reaction" to Jans sacking on tonight's Quest highlights. Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels I said last night Ted, I don't think they're weasels, I just think they knew what was coming and didn't know where to put themselves. Those rumours about him being sacked earlier in the week but keeping him on for Fulham might not be 100%, but they looked as though they knew it was his last chance. It just looked awkward for them. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 17, 2019 22:21:51 GMT 1
I think they have been part of a team. They obviously knew he was getting the bullet. I personally think it would.have been a good gesture not to have been looking like they didn't want to be there.. But hey ho it's peripheral to important things
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 17, 2019 22:25:57 GMT 1
Also Hudson spent a good couple of minutes trying to placate those couple of dickheads hurling abuse at JS from the front of the stand. He didn’t have to do that.
And where the fuck where some stewards.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 22:30:26 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 17, 2019 22:35:10 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there Exactly, Just got rid of him and folk on here crying over what RVLP put on insta, Double standards ! |
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Post by mids on Aug 17, 2019 22:39:44 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2019 22:48:06 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. I think that’s semantics - PH asked JS if he was sure on AW and after some thought on holiday JS decided he wasn’t right and agreed he needed to go To me JS stuck the last knife into a bloke he’d worked with before and who just weeks earlier he’d convinced to leave Barnsley (where he was doing well) Looking from the outside if I was AW I’d be feeling done over by JS |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 18, 2019 0:40:14 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there Exactly, Just got rid of him and folk on here crying over what RVLP put on insta, Double standards ! Some folk cry over what you put on here. Crying with laughter. Or cringing. I can never quite decide 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 2:06:43 GMT 1
He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. I think that’s semantics - PH asked JS if he was sure on AW and after some thought on holiday JS decided he wasn’t right and agreed he needed to go To me JS stuck the last knife into a bloke he’d worked with before and who just weeks earlier he’d convinced to leave Barnsley (where he was doing well) Looking from the outside if I was AW I’d be feeling done over by JS All sounds very similar to when we appointed a whole new support staff and then dumped Mark Robins a game or two into the new season. Can someone please learn a lesson for the future....if you’re bringing in a new coaching team it’s because things have got desperate and really you should have got a new coach in as well, and probably a few months earlier as it happens. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 18, 2019 6:30:14 GMT 1
Robins resigned
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Post by royrace on Aug 18, 2019 8:03:51 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. Based on no evidence whatsoever I called bullshit on that explanation. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 18, 2019 8:23:15 GMT 1
He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. whatsoever I called bullshit on that explanation. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards To be fair Roy, I suspect mids may actually be basing his theory on some evidence |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:27:48 GMT 1
On the flip side JS decided Winkler (his own hand picked man who quit Barnsley weeks before promotion) was expendable after just 5 months - not exactly great loyalty by JS there He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. The story went that JS wanted Bell in the first place, but because he didn't want to leave his managing job with the Republic of Ireland at that time he went for his second choice in Winkler. PH asked JS in the summer was there anything he would like in order to improve the set up, JS still thought Colin Bell would make a better fit as his right hand man. This time he got his man. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 18, 2019 8:33:52 GMT 1
I think it was after the first game of the season when we lost 4-0 to Bournemouth, which at the time seemed embarrassing (it was certainly too much for Robin's ego to cope with) but would now be considered quite an achievement to only let in 4.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 18, 2019 8:37:29 GMT 1
Probably.not the right thread but I watched the scenes after the final whistle for the first time . So telling how his support staff were trying their best to ignore Jan ... weasels I said last night Ted, I don't think they're weasels, I just think they knew what was coming and didn't know where to put themselves. Those rumours about him being sacked earlier in the week but keeping him on for Fulham might not be 100%, but they looked as though they knew it was his last chance. It just looked awkward for them. I heard from a good source that he was out for sure if we lost...nothing mentioned about if we won. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 18, 2019 9:07:06 GMT 1
He didn't. Phil suggested he might want to change his right hand man. After deliberating he agreed, and tried to get Bell. The story went that JS wanted Bell in the first place, but because he didn't want to leave his managing job with the Republic of Ireland at that time he went for his second choice in Winkler. PH asked JS in the summer was there anything he would like in order to improve the set up, JS still thought Colin Bell would make a better fit as his right hand man. This time he got his man. Not exactly fair on AW however it’s explained - no doubting in my mind that there’s double standards in terms of expecting loyalty for JS when he threw his assistant under the bus because he wanted CB all along It’s a dog eat dog business and JS also played that game IMO |
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Post by In sooth- - on Aug 18, 2019 9:09:12 GMT 1
Did not Oggy say that HE had heard that win or lose against Fulham he was out.
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