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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 19, 2019 16:47:32 GMT 1
There was once a manager who instilled a great identity and philosophy, before #nolimits a simple philosophy which needs to return "BE PROUD AND HONOURED TO WEAR THE SHIRT" I don't think said manager would return, and maybe his time is long past but can't help but think we could do a lot worse Mick Buxton is a bit old now isn't he? Plus we're in the Champ now and his record there was shit. Where's the fishing rod đź¤
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 19, 2019 17:00:20 GMT 1
Town need an experienced manager like Hughton to progress in its present financial position, and Hughton has what it takes to stabilise the club with a view to "EVENTUALLY " getting the club back to a higher level. He obviously cannot do this on his own ,and vital we have a good director of football in place who knows the market both home and abroad Hudson is not the long term answer for many a reason ,and just hope we dont end up going down that same road similar to what i witnessed after the 70s top flight failure. Amazing looking at the failure on the bookies list as most on there seem to be big loosers that have found themselves on a football merry go round Hughton didnt do that much wrong at Brighton ,and maybe a case here that a club not much bigger than ours should be careful what they wish for. Couldn't disagree more - Wagner was a relative novice as head coach before he came here and just being experienced guarantees nothing. Ask Stoke about Rowett, Leeds about Warnock, Derby about McLaren, Forest about O'Neill - all bigger clubs than us with higher budgets. We need a new identity - something the whole club can buy into as with Wagner. Not the usual "they have more money than us" excuses trotted out by Robins, Powell. I do however massively agree on the director of football - its the instability here that led us to the appalling recruitment of sobhi, the sprint twins etc. We need to identify what the role entails, how it works with the head coach and what we need to recruit. With the recent scattergun approach we have ended up with expensive misfits and young lads not yet ready a la brown, bacuna. Think folks need to relax a little and wait until whoever the new man appointed has had a little time to put his stamp on matters - PH is not a stupid man and now needs to be given patience to get whoever he and the board think is the right candidate. Not an easy job but one they know they need to get right. Heres hoping. The big gamble Wagner appointment seemed to be paying off big time until his second season in charge didnt go to exactly to plan, but going down that same German route again went badly wrong for town I am looking at the club being put in " WHAT SEEMS " the best choice safe pair of hands by someone with proven top flight managerial ability ,and he didnt do that much wrong at Brighton especially as he kept them in the top flight. Agree that there are no guarantees in this game as town have found out to their cost over the years
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 19, 2019 18:50:51 GMT 1
What odds for Lee Clark with Stan ternent as assistant?
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Post by townrwe on Aug 19, 2019 20:46:25 GMT 1
This the same Petrescu that has only been at Cluj for 4 months & just dumped Celtic out of the champions league? Was mentioned on sky sports today that we were in talks.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2019 21:32:59 GMT 1
Typical odds: Mark Hudson 2/1 Chris Hughton 5/1 Sol Campbell 6/1 Nigel Adkins 9/1 Gary Rowett 14/1 Chris Coleman 20/1 Daniel Stendel 20/1 The only one from that list that interests me is Chris Hughton, the rest are the usual merry go round names that appear, apart from Stendal but he has to prove himself at Barnsley at this level. Once somebody has proven themselves in football, don't they automatically join the merry-go-round? Isn't somebody "who isn't on the merry go round" - by definition - unproven?
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Post by Town Duppy on Aug 20, 2019 8:40:56 GMT 1
Karanka.
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Post by capitalterrier on Aug 20, 2019 8:54:05 GMT 1
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Post by golcarexile on Aug 20, 2019 8:56:42 GMT 1
This the same Petrescu that has only been at Cluj for 4 months & just dumped Celtic out of the champions league? Was mentioned on sky sports today that we were in talks. quote]Would be an intetesting one. Big name with plenty of experience. A spotty record overall and has never managed in a 'top' European league. Would be preferable to some of the merry-go-round names being mentioned though.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Aug 20, 2019 9:04:27 GMT 1
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 20, 2019 9:07:10 GMT 1
experience at this level. Got Forest performing to a degree. I don't think he's the man we need.
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 20, 2019 9:07:50 GMT 1
Why anyone would want Karanka is beyond me. His style is beyond dull.
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Post by golcarexile on Aug 20, 2019 9:08:28 GMT 1
The only one from that list that interests me is Chris Hughton, the rest are the usual merry go round names that appear, apart from Stendal but he has to prove himself at Barnsley at this level. Once somebody has proven themselves in football, don't they automatically join the merry-go-round? Isn't somebody "who isn't on the merry go round" - by definition - unproven? A good point. I've just replied to the Dan Petrescu rumours and mentioned that he isn't a merry-go-round candidate. Though looking at his record, it seems that he's had more clubs than hot dinners. I supppose Bielsa down the road falls into a similar category. To me, Petrecu for example sounds a better fit for Town than Pardew. Whether he would be or not, I have no idea.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 20, 2019 9:22:18 GMT 1
What about someone like Gattuso or Van Bronckhorst? Gattuso would scare the shit out of oppo managers. Mind you they play 4-3-3 which would not suit our players (as we have found out).
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Post by basil on Aug 20, 2019 9:22:38 GMT 1
Once somebody has proven themselves in football, don't they automatically join the merry-go-round? Isn't somebody "who isn't on the merry go round" - by definition - unproven? A good point. I've just replied to the Dan Petrescu rumours and mentioned that he isn't a merry-go-round candidate. Though looking at his record, it seems that he's had more clubs than hot dinners. I supppose Bielsa down the road falls into a similar category. To me, Petrecu for example sounds a better fit for Town than Pardew. Whether he would be or not, I have no idea. It'd be interesting to know what prompts his wanderings. Does he fall out with people or just get bored?
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 20, 2019 9:27:10 GMT 1
A good point. I've just replied to the Dan Petrescu rumours and mentioned that he isn't a merry-go-round candidate. Though looking at his record, it seems that he's had more clubs than hot dinners. I supppose Bielsa down the road falls into a similar category. To me, Petrecu for example sounds a better fit for Town than Pardew. Whether he would be or not, I have no idea. It'd be interesting to know what prompts his wanderings. Does he fall out with people or just get bored? I was a bit concerned myself when I had a look at the endless list of clubs managed.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 20, 2019 10:23:56 GMT 1
What about someone like Gattuso or Van Bronckhorst? Gattuso would scare the shit out of oppo managers. Mind you they play 4-3-3 which would not suit our players (as we have found out). We should appoint Pep Guardiola. Bring in Alex Ferguson as DoF & get Zinedine Zidane to coach the kids.
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Post by townrwe on Aug 20, 2019 10:28:44 GMT 1
We should have given it to Hudson until the end of the season and taken our time with recruiting a new manager. Now we are potentially giving it to Hudson to limit damage rather than progress, The time for that was in Jan last year.
We need someone in who can develop something for next season, actually improve the players and identify areas we need to strengthen for next season. We look too thin on paper to be considered anything but a bottom half team this year.
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Post by yorkie1 on Aug 20, 2019 10:34:28 GMT 1
We should have given it to Hudson until the end of the season and taken our time with recruiting a new manager. Now we are potentially giving it to Hudson to limit damage rather than progress, The time for that was in Jan last year. We need someone in who can develop something for next season, actually improve the players and identify areas we need to strengthen for next season. We look too thin on paper to be considered anything but a bottom half team this year. I agree Hudson should have been given the role if that was possible but on paper I think a good manger can get a decent tune out of this squad.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Aug 20, 2019 10:43:59 GMT 1
Sky bet odds as of Tuesday morning:
Mark Hudson 11/10 Chris Hughton 2/1 Sol Campbell 7/1 Gary Rowett 9/1 Nigel Adkins 10/1 Aitor Karanka 20/1 Daniel Stendel 20/1 Ian Burchnall 20/1 Paul Cook 20/1 Colin Bell 25/1
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Post by townrwe on Aug 20, 2019 10:50:46 GMT 1
We should have given it to Hudson until the end of the season and taken our time with recruiting a new manager. Now we are potentially giving it to Hudson to limit damage rather than progress, The time for that was in Jan last year. We need someone in who can develop something for next season, actually improve the players and identify areas we need to strengthen for next season. We look too thin on paper to be considered anything but a bottom half team this year. I agree Hudson should have been given the role if that was possible but on paper I think a good manger can get a decent tune out of this squad. Probably. But its more than tactics and identity. We need a player improver, a proper football coach, Wagner not only bought identity, he improved the players initially. Bielsa, Pep, Poch etc Improve players, Could we get Giovanni van Bronckhorst? it seems a long shot, probably too expensive.... but if he came in and improved the likes of Bacuna, Kongolo, Grant, Obrien, Brown, Diakhaby, Mbenze, Mounie....... Then the 2 million or so in cost would be outweighed massively by the rise in the squad value. If he turns bacuna from an inconsistent 1 million pound to a rumoured 35 million pound Kalvin Phillips.... then that is a worthwhile investment in a proper manager and coach.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 10:52:21 GMT 1
We should have given it to Hudson until the end of the season and taken our time with recruiting a new manager. Now we are potentially giving it to Hudson to limit damage rather than progress, The time for that was in Jan last year. We need someone in who can develop something for next season, actually improve the players and identify areas we need to strengthen for next season. We look too thin on paper to be considered anything but a bottom half team this year. the first thing is to lift everyone out of this dark cloud in which we are under. we have to make sure we stay up and as you say develop the club for the future.as I have said before the three league performances were no where near as bad as some have made out but at the end of the day its results that count and as I see it how you get them especially at the moment doesn't matter.utt
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 20, 2019 10:56:08 GMT 1
Karanke dull lol. Yeah and Siewarts football was fucking great. Least we'd be solid and hard to beat.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 20, 2019 11:05:32 GMT 1
Karanke dull lol. Yeah and Siewarts football was fucking great. Least we'd be solid and hard to beat. Had we not rather comically given away a couple, maybe 3 goals already this season, the situation may not be as bad? We could do with getting past our last 3 seasons, at least, inability to defend without catastrophic gaffes or mere inability to actually DEFEND. We have spent a good while now looking like the players believe that just getting back and 'being there' is enough. We had probably better look at giving Grant the best chance of scoring enough to get a point at least?
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Post by londonterrier11 on Aug 20, 2019 11:06:59 GMT 1
Sky bet odds as of Tuesday morning: Mark Hudson 11/10 Chris Hughton 2/1 Sol Campbell 7/1 Gary Rowett 9/1 Nigel Adkins 10/1 Aitor Karanka 20/1 Daniel Stendel 20/1 Ian Burchnall 20/1 Paul Cook 20/1 Colin Bell 25/1 I'd be ecstatic with Hughton - he's way too good for us. If it's big Sol then I'm giving up completely. Incredible player, dreadful manager. Rowett / Atkins probably more realistic.
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Post by CaptainHart on Aug 20, 2019 11:43:11 GMT 1
I don't think the club has the wherewithal to provide Hughton with a team he can be successful with.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 20, 2019 11:54:40 GMT 1
I wouldn’t mind Karanka. Tbf. A bit of excitement and seems nice !
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Post by Camel Grabber on Aug 20, 2019 12:02:25 GMT 1
Sky bet odds as of Tuesday morning: Mark Hudson 11/10 Chris Hughton 2/1 Sol Campbell 7/1 Gary Rowett 9/1 Nigel Adkins 10/1 Aitor Karanka 20/1 Daniel Stendel 20/1 Ian Burchnall 20/1 Paul Cook 20/1 Colin Bell 25/1 I'd be ecstatic with Hughton - he's way too good for us. If it's big Sol then I'm giving up completely. Incredible player, dreadful manager. Rowett / Atkins probably more realistic. Please show me the stats which show Campbell is a dreadful manager?
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 20, 2019 12:03:08 GMT 1
Sky bet odds as of Tuesday morning: Mark Hudson 11/10 Chris Hughton 2/1 Sol Campbell 7/1 Gary Rowett 9/1 Nigel Adkins 10/1 Aitor Karanka 20/1 Daniel Stendel 20/1 Ian Burchnall 20/1 Paul Cook 20/1 Colin Bell 25/1 God that list is depressing. Hudson has no experience. Not whats needed right now. Campbell is just laughable. The man has a bigger ego than PH so thats not going to happen. Rowett did nothing at Stoke apart from waste money. Karanka is dull. Adkins is 10 years too late. Stendel/Burchnall don't excite me. Petrescu has had 15 clubs in 14 years. Yeah thats the stability we need...... I kind of get it with Hughton, but its not an inspiring move. Brighton weren't overly bothered when he did leave, and Newcastle/Norwich are half decent records. If we're going for a steady hand, been there done that then fair enough. But i just hope PH has other irons in the fire than the dross that the press/bookies are pushing. I've said it a few times but i'm still firmly in the Van Bronkhorst camp... Surely he can't be any more expensive than what Hughton would be, no doubt cheaper. Just can't see PH being that forward thinking.
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 20, 2019 12:09:33 GMT 1
Isn’t Wagner a fan of Karanka?
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Aug 20, 2019 12:11:33 GMT 1
Just incase Phil ever reads this We don't want a manager who no one as heard of or a merry go round manager please potless
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