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Post by htafc on Aug 28, 2019 11:28:20 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer
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Post by artysid on Aug 28, 2019 11:35:53 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer Not a problem if you live within your means. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 11:40:06 GMT 1
Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 28, 2019 11:40:06 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer Not a problem if you live within your means. And this, I am afraid, is the key. Would be interesting to see, if EVERY football club in the land was shown whether it is solvent or not, just how many would still be standing... Can't be many out there with a bank balance in the black? I'd guess that 70% of the Greedy League clubs would be in the clarts if the banks/creditors called in all of the debts right now, overnight. |
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Post by bogart on Aug 28, 2019 11:46:03 GMT 1
No need to have a bank balance in the black. Most people with a mortgage are in the same boat, owing more than they have. But, and it is a big but, in most cases can afford to repay the required sums
to keep it going and not having most of their repayments milked off to pay some other party.
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 12:09:47 GMT 1
Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 28, 2019 12:09:47 GMT 1
The failure is all due to the EFL
What happened to 'fit and proper' tests for owners?
We should be concerned
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 12:20:41 GMT 1
Post by stevvy on Aug 28, 2019 12:20:41 GMT 1
Agree that the EFL are definitely at least partly at fault for this and the Bolton situations. Their fit and proper persons test is a load of bollocks, and how they could allow Steve Dale to take over at Bury without properly vetting him I have no idea. As for Bolton, honestly how does being banned from being a company director for 8 years and having multiple businesses going bust make you a fit and proper person to run a football club? Surely the EFL should have said from the start that if you've had any bans or other companies that have gone bust or anything else that should ring alarm bells, you're not going to be allowed to take over.
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Post by benhomly on Aug 28, 2019 13:00:19 GMT 1
The failure is all due to the EFL What happened to 'fit and proper' tests for owners? We should be concerned Always someone else's fault eh? How about a bit of both. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 28, 2019 13:51:03 GMT 1
I know it has been mentioned already but reading the latest comments from Phil Neville about Bury I wonder if he would have been better being a little more thoughtful. Ranting now how disgraceful it is seem a little insensitive when you have been involved in the multi-million pound backing of a tinpot football club with no history (albeit from a major city).
Why when he and the others involved in the Class of 92 got involved with Salford didn't they look at Bury? The financial issues they face now would not have been anywhere near what has happened. If I were a Bury fan I'd be thinking...."thanks for that Phil...bit late now to care"
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 13:56:44 GMT 1
Post by dugnet on Aug 28, 2019 13:56:44 GMT 1
Agree that the EFL are definitely at least partly at fault for this and the Bolton situations. Their fit and proper persons test is a load of bollocks, and how they could allow Steve Dale to take over at Bury without properly vetting him I have no idea. As for Bolton, honestly how does being banned from being a company director for 8 years and having multiple businesses going bust make you a fit and proper person to run a football club? Surely the EFL should have said from the start that if you've had any bans or other companies that have gone bust or anything else that should ring alarm bells, you're not going to be allowed to take over. And there is the problem - fit and proper is a complete waste of time and a tick in the box based on a loose set of criteria. You have to think that Bury going out of the league suits Dale's agenda, he will get money back it's just a question of how much more or less he will get now they don't have their EFL share. The more you think about it the more shocking it is. People like Dale prey on failing businesses every day. What I don't think he considered is that a football club isn't like any other business in that you have a significant proportion of stakeholders/customers who are single mindedly passionate about their club and won't ever forget. I don't condone any unpleasant action or treatment he gets but I wonder if he factored in what this actually means to people. In Brighton, despite their success now, the bloke who sold the Goldstone from under them is still hated years on. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 16:21:39 GMT 1
Post by bogart on Aug 28, 2019 16:21:39 GMT 1
Much preferred the Goldstone to the new job. Great ground on a summer's afternoon.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 28, 2019 16:41:17 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer Clubs go under and some premier league players are paid millions a year for basically being shite. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 18:36:09 GMT 1
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Post by 28901 on Aug 28, 2019 18:36:09 GMT 1
Much preferred the Goldstone to the new job. Great ground on a summer's afternoon. And not so good during the football season. Used to be completely uncovered terracing |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Aug 28, 2019 18:38:57 GMT 1
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bogart
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 19:11:39 GMT 1
Post by bogart on Aug 28, 2019 19:11:39 GMT 1
Much preferred the Goldstone to the new job. Great ground on a summer's afternoon. And not so good during the football season. Used to be completely uncovered terracing Yes but great on a sunny august afternoon. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 19:13:21 GMT 1
Post by bogart on Aug 28, 2019 19:13:21 GMT 1
Comment by some EFL woman.
EFL executive chair Debbie Jevans says taking the decision to expel Bury from the Football League left her 'absolutely devastated', but insists 'we did everything that we could'
Crocodile tears if I ever saw them. Probably forgotten their name by now. Bury who? oh let me think.
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 19:45:36 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 28, 2019 19:45:36 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer Not just football. A metaphor for the population as a whole. |
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Post by Bigcolquaner on Aug 28, 2019 19:53:37 GMT 1
Don't have any white seats going cheap by any chance do they?
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 20:27:39 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 28, 2019 20:27:39 GMT 1
Comment by some EFL woman. EFL executive chair Debbie Jevans says taking the decision to expel Bury from the Football League left her 'absolutely devastated', but insists 'we did everything that we could' Crocodile tears if I ever saw them. Probably forgotten their name by now. Bury who? oh let me think. They could have at least let them sit this season out till things were sorted. I know there are other clubs to consider but this is no good for the game, expelling them should have been the last resort. Will they expel Bolton too so readily should they have no buyer? I suspect not. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 20:29:48 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 28, 2019 20:29:48 GMT 1
Comment by some EFL woman. EFL executive chair Debbie Jevans says taking the decision to expel Bury from the Football League left her 'absolutely devastated', but insists 'we did everything that we could' Crocodile tears if I ever saw them. Probably forgotten their name by now. Bury who? oh let me think. They could have at least let them sit this season out till things were sorted. I know there are other clubs to consider but this is no good for the game, expelling them should have been the last resort. Will they expel Bolton too so readily should they have no buyer? I suspect not. No cos they have a buyer |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 20:32:00 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 28, 2019 20:32:00 GMT 1
They could have at least let them sit this season out till things were sorted. I know there are other clubs to consider but this is no good for the game, expelling them should have been the last resort. Will they expel Bolton too so readily should they have no buyer? I suspect not. No cos they have a buyer They wouldn't anyway, there is no way would they expel an exPL club. |
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Bury FC
Aug 28, 2019 20:34:08 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 28, 2019 20:34:08 GMT 1
They could have at least let them sit this season out till things were sorted. I know there are other clubs to consider but this is no good for the game, expelling them should have been the last resort. Will they expel Bolton too so readily should they have no buyer? I suspect not. No cos they have a buyer Must be extremely galling for the Bury fans to see their local rivals win a reprieve. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 28, 2019 20:34:14 GMT 1
They wouldn't anyway, there is no way would they expel an exPL club. I think they would have. But they've definitely had more leeway |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Aug 29, 2019 9:49:09 GMT 1
So what happens to the players who are still on their books? Do they become free agents, or are the club allowed to sell them, to offset sale price against club debts?
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 10:47:58 GMT 1
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Post by k1man999 on Aug 29, 2019 10:47:58 GMT 1
So what happens to the players who are still on their books? Do they become free agents, or are the club allowed to sell them, to offset sale price against club debts? Phils making them an offer as we speak 😜 |
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 11:03:50 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 29, 2019 11:03:50 GMT 1
So what happens to the players who are still on their books? Do they become free agents, or are the club allowed to sell them, to offset sale price against club debts? Phils making them an offer as we speak 😜 If he'd been a bit quicker he could've solved our left back problems by snapping up Joe Skarz.  He's now signed for Kettering. |
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 11:06:47 GMT 1
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Post by lochnessterrier on Aug 29, 2019 11:06:47 GMT 1
So what happens to the players who are still on their books? Do they become free agents, or are the club allowed to sell them, to offset sale price against club debts? I would think their contracts are terminated as they have effectively been made redundant, making them free agents. |
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 16:33:08 GMT 1
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 29, 2019 16:33:08 GMT 1
Apparently a new bid has come in and the club are hoping the FL will have a re-think...
I'm torn on this. If a reprieve is granted and Bury are re-admitted, it'll be great for the fans and the town...
BUT it then suggests that "deadlines" aren't really deadlines at all. It gives the (still false, ultimately) impression that football league clubs won't be allowed to fail and will encourage clubs to continue to gamble beyond their means.
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 16:50:09 GMT 1
Post by benhomly on Aug 29, 2019 16:50:09 GMT 1
The rich football clubs gets richer and the poor football clubs get poorer Clubs go under and some premier league players are paid millions a year for basically being shite. Shouldn't this be on the Laurent Depoitre thread?  |
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Bury FC
Aug 29, 2019 16:52:53 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 16:52:53 GMT 1
The failure is all due to the EFL What happened to 'fit and proper' tests for owners? We should be concerned What test do they introduce that prevents another Bury? |
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Post by softboy on Aug 30, 2019 21:23:01 GMT 1
How on earth can the failure of Bury be fully down to the EFL. I agree they are not blameless in all this but on the one hand they are getting shit for letting the current/owner take over without full checks and on the other hand expected to draw things out indefinately. If by the deadline set (and extended) no one came forward with a clear plan to save Bury then not sure what else they could do.
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He's now signed for Kettering.
