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Post by townatheart on Aug 25, 2019 11:48:08 GMT 1
There's no way towns wage bill this season will be more than 30 million So we've got 45 million coming in from parachute payments, 4 or so from tickets and commercial stuff and 20 plus so far from player sales. That's a surplus of 40 million. The only explanation as to why we're skint is that Phil is having to use this money to purchase the club from Dean I am only guessing, but I suspect that the wage bill may well be more than the 30M, but just what I don't know, just seems a bit low given the contracts (even reduced for relegation) that would have been handed out (wrongly IMO). And apologies for being pedantic, but I would not say the ONLY explanation as there may possibly be other aspects that are not obvious to us (although I grant you my view has changed somewhat on the matter). |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 25, 2019 11:50:33 GMT 1
There's no way towns wage bill this season will be more than 30 million So we've got 45 million coming in from parachute payments, 4 or so from tickets and commercial stuff and 20 plus so far from player sales. That's a surplus of 40 million. The only explanation as to why we're skint is that Phil is having to use this money to purchase the club from Dean I am only guessing, but I suspect that the wage bill may well be more than the 30M, but just what I don't know, just seems a bit low given the contracts (even reduced for relegation) that would have been handed out (wrongly IMO). And apologies for being pedantic, but I would not say the ONLY explanation as there may possibly be other aspects that are not obvious to us (although I grant you my view has changed somewhat on the matter). For a 25 man squad, 30 million equates to about 23k each. When you consider that our squad has plenty of players earning less than 10k, there's absolutely no chance we've got a few players earning 40k plus after they've had 40% knocked off for being relegated Our highest earner was Mooy allegedly on 50k, so even if someone like Kongolo was on the same he's now 'only' on 30k |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:56:28 GMT 1
What people don’t seem to consider is that the money we have is for more than a season.
We have players under contract beyond this season so will need money for their wages and add ons when the clubs income could be massively less.
How much and when we spend is a gamble so I’m happy that we kept some but the current situation may need an investment. Players don’t have to leave if the financial package doesn’t suit them so we could have the bigger earners sat on fat contracts which restricts our choices.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 25, 2019 11:57:22 GMT 1
These are just guesses but won't be far off
Grabara - 10k
Elphick - 15k
Kongolo - 30k
Hogg - 20k
Bacuna - 18k
Chalobah - 10k
Kachunga - 15k
Diakhaby - 30k
Coleman - 6k
Bockhorn - 10k
Grant - 15k
VLP - 15k
Mbenza - 25k
Koroma - 5k
Brown - 5k
Pritchard - 30k
Campbell - 10k
Quaner - 15k
Mounie - 30k
Schindler - 25k
Stankovic - 12k
Brown - 3k
Flo - 20k
Schofield - 3k
Edmonds Green - 1k
Daly - 1k
O'Brien- 2k
Total of 20 million
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Post by townatheart on Aug 25, 2019 11:59:25 GMT 1
I am only guessing, but I suspect that the wage bill may well be more than the 30M, but just what I don't know, just seems a bit low given the contracts (even reduced for relegation) that would have been handed out (wrongly IMO). And apologies for being pedantic, but I would not say the ONLY explanation as there may possibly be other aspects that are not obvious to us (although I grant you my view has changed somewhat on the matter). For a 25 man squad, 30 million equates to about 23k each. When you consider that our squad has plenty of players earning less than 10k, there's absolutely no chance we've got a few players earning 40k plus after they've had 40% knocked off for being relegated Our highest earner was Mooy allegedly on 50k, so even if someone like Kongolo was on the same he's now 'only' on 30k Won't argue, you may well be correct. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 25, 2019 15:39:02 GMT 1
These are just guesses but won't be far off Grabara - 10k Elphick - 15k Kongolo - 30k Hogg - 20k Bacuna - 18k Chalobah - 10k Kachunga - 15k Diakhaby - 30k Coleman - 6k Bockhorn - 10k Grant - 15k VLP - 15k Mbenza - 25k Koroma - 5k Brown - 5k Pritchard - 30k Campbell - 10k Quaner - 15k Mounie - 30k Schindler - 25k Stankovic - 12k Brown - 3k Flo - 20k Schofield - 3k Edmonds Green - 1k Daly - 1k O'Brien- 2k Total of 20 million Mbenza possibly on 25k a week. Might as well be burning that money. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 15:45:38 GMT 1
And sabiri is still on the books
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 25, 2019 15:47:35 GMT 1
These are just guesses but won't be far off Grabara - 10k Elphick - 15k Kongolo - 30k Hogg - 20k Bacuna - 18k Chalobah - 10k Kachunga - 15k Diakhaby - 30k Coleman - 6k Bockhorn - 10k Grant - 15k VLP - 15k Mbenza - 25k Koroma - 5k Brown - 5k Pritchard - 30k Campbell - 10k Quaner - 15k Mounie - 30k Schindler - 25k Stankovic - 12k Brown - 3k Flo - 20k Schofield - 3k Edmonds Green - 1k Daly - 1k O'Brien- 2k Total of 20 million Mbenza possibly on 25k a week. Might as well be burning that money. I could be out on that as there's no way he would have been earning that at Montpellier but generally you would expect wages of atleast 30k with a transfer fee of 10 million. With the 40% off hopefully he's not on more than 25k now |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 25, 2019 15:49:03 GMT 1
i have been trying to work out why we suddenly have no money and all I can think is that DH has insisted that he is paid back all his money previously invested. Prior to DH selling the club I posted that there was a due diligence process being undertaken by an American consortium. It’s only supposition but I wonder if the Americans would not agree to pay DH back his previous investment as they needed the money to invest in the team? On the other hand Phil ( who is hard to like) was so star struck by being given the opportunity to take over agreed to refund DH his previous investments from the parachute payments and picked up the club with his total available monies, on the basis that he thought we could survive in the championship with the players we have until the second and third parachute payments kicked in, hence we have no monies this season to improve the team. its just a thought as we are getting a £42m parachute payment this year we got £20m from the sale of players, wages have been chopped due to relegation, but we are told we have no money (which I find hard to believe) despite making a profit last year. I don’t suppose we will ever know If memory serves me right Dean paid back every penny that Davy put into the club which was unheard of. Even then the guy tried his best to screw him!!!!!!! |
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Post by ACW on Aug 25, 2019 15:51:15 GMT 1
Mbenza possibly on 25k a week. Might as well be burning that money. I could be out on that as there's no way he would have been earning that at Montpellier but generally you would expect wages of atleast 30k with a transfer fee of 10 million. With the 40% off hopefully he's not on more than 25k now If he's on £25k, it's £24,999 more than he's worth based on recent performances. Whatever he's on, he's not earning it. I can accept poor performances, but not the lack of effort he has been showing. |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 25, 2019 17:13:12 GMT 1
If we get there again I think I would prefer us to go up and invest nothing and just let the championship team have a real go at it. Then come down having banked a fortune plus parachute payments then have another go with a better squad. Looks like Norwich's plan. otherwise as you say... It's Pointless reaching the premier league from a financial point of view. Clubs chasing this pot of gold are not understanding the associated increase in spend. This is what I thought we'd do really and I think the first season we struck a good balance in terms of investment. If we'd have gone down that year with Ince, Hefele etc. still on the books and only a couple of bigger earners (including Mounie who would've had more suitors at that point) we would've been in a pretty good place for the Championship. Maybe we'd have regretted selling Lolley a little but he probably wouldn't have kicked on here anyway. Obviously the season after that was a different story and whatever it was we were setting out to do didn't exactly set us up too well in either the short or long term.. To say the least. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 25, 2019 20:43:20 GMT 1
We will probably never know if dean has basically taken the premier money to get out of the club. But let’s just play DEVILS ADVOCATE and say he has . If so how strange life must be for himself now and his family, many will say you can’t take the memories away and that he’s just looking after his family, of which I agree with both. I adore my family would do anything to make their life better, but HTFC is also deep in my heart and in a little way also my family, so to leave the club with the pot of gold which he probably never thought he would get back ie premier league), seems very sad, I thought he would be remembered fondly for life by town fans, if the money has gone to pay him off as also his legacy. NB DEVILS ADVOCATE has only a select few will really know.
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 27, 2019 19:14:40 GMT 1
I have just read in the examiner that Canal Side has not been given planning approval yet so on this basis I assume it’s not been paid for and will probably not go ahead unless we stay in the championship, I guess this just adds to the mystery of what has happened to all the money as I thought this was paid for already
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 27, 2019 19:29:25 GMT 1
We will probably never know if dean has basically taken the premier money to get out of the club. But let’s just play DEVILS ADVOCATE and say he has . If so how strange life must be for himself now and his family, many will say you can’t take the memories away and that he’s just looking after his family, of which I agree with both. I adore my family would do anything to make their life better, but HTFC is also deep in my heart and in a little way also my family, so to leave the club with the pot of gold which he probably never thought he would get back ie premier league), seems very sad, I thought he would be remembered fondly for life by town fans, if the money has gone to pay him off as also his legacy. NB DEVILS ADVOCATE has only a select few will really know. So unless he pumps huge amounts of his money into the club ( your hobby ) for years and leaves it there as a gift, he has no legacy? Football fans are great! Any Town fan who doesn't 100% remember Dean Hoyle or his legacy ( unbelievable memories, KSDL shares returned, serious training facilities ) with utmost fondness is a complete clusterfuck. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:32:17 GMT 1
These are just guesses but won't be far off Grabara - 10k Elphick - 15k Kongolo - 30k Hogg - 20k Bacuna - 18k Chalobah - 10k Kachunga - 15k Diakhaby - 30k Coleman - 6k Bockhorn - 10k Grant - 15k VLP - 15k Mbenza - 25k Koroma - 5k Brown - 5k Pritchard - 30k Campbell - 10k Quaner - 15k Mounie - 30k Schindler - 25k Stankovic - 12k Brown - 3k Flo - 20k Schofield - 3k Edmonds Green - 1k Daly - 1k O'Brien- 2k Total of 20 million If Quaner is on 15k. Give me a grand a week, I’m same height and I can run around looking lost, all arms and legs for 90 minutes, no fucking problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:38:23 GMT 1
Don't forget the crazy commitment to Mooy beyond this season. Maybe B&HA are paying his full wages for 19/20, but Town are liable for Mooy's salary (£50k per week?) in 20/21 and 21/22.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2019 19:39:22 GMT 1
These are just guesses but won't be far off Grabara - 10k Elphick - 15k Kongolo - 30k Hogg - 20k Bacuna - 18k Chalobah - 10k Kachunga - 15k Diakhaby - 30k Coleman - 6k Bockhorn - 10k Grant - 15k VLP - 15k Mbenza - 25k Koroma - 5k Brown - 5k Pritchard - 30k Campbell - 10k Quaner - 15k Mounie - 30k Schindler - 25k Stankovic - 12k Brown - 3k Flo - 20k Schofield - 3k Edmonds Green - 1k Daly - 1k O'Brien- 2k Total of 20 million If Quaner is on 15k. Give me a grand a week, I’m same height and I can run around looking lost, all arms and legs for 90 minutes, no fucking problem. Yeah but he once crossed a ball at Hillsborough so it doesn't matter what he's on |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2019 19:41:04 GMT 1
Don't forget the crazy commitment to Mooy beyond this season. Maybe B&HA are paying his full wages for 19/20, but Town are liable for Mooy's salary (£50k per week?) in 20/21 and 21/22. No we're not. Mooy doesn't want to play in the Championship. We definitely will be at this level at best next season so he'll either be out on loan again or leave permanently for £6 million or so |
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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 27, 2019 19:43:48 GMT 1
If Quaner is on 15k. Give me a grand a week, I’m same height and I can run around looking lost, all arms and legs for 90 minutes, no fucking problem. Can you duck as well as him though Spezial? PS QPR reference. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:45:28 GMT 1
Don't forget the crazy commitment to Mooy beyond this season. Maybe B&HA are paying his full wages for 19/20, but Town are liable for Mooy's salary (£50k per week?) in 20/21 and 21/22. No we're not. Mooy doesn't want to play in the Championship. We definitely will be at this level at best next season so he'll either be out on loan again or leave permanently for £6 million or so So there's a compulsory £6m purchase clause at the end of this season in the loan contract with Brighton? If not, what happens if Mooy gets injured or loses form? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2019 19:48:21 GMT 1
No we're not. Mooy doesn't want to play in the Championship. We definitely will be at this level at best next season so he'll either be out on loan again or leave permanently for £6 million or so So there's a compulsory £6m purchase clause at the end of this season in the loan contract with Brighton? No idea. But he'll still command that sort of fee next summer if someone wants him permanently. We'll have no trouble loaning him out and getting that side to cover all his wages provided there's no loan fee. £2.5 million (His wages) to have a player like Mooy for the season is a bargain in today's game |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:53:12 GMT 1
If Quaner is on 15k. Give me a grand a week, I’m same height and I can run around looking lost, all arms and legs for 90 minutes, no fucking problem. Yeah but he once crossed a ball at Hillsborough so it doesn't matter what he's on I once crossed the ball there too, in a cup game 😎 He’s a pile of shite and if he’s on that much, god help our club. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:53:45 GMT 1
So there's a compulsory £6m purchase clause at the end of this season in the loan contract with Brighton? No idea. But he'll still command that sort of fee next summer if someone wants him permanently. We'll have no trouble loaning him out and getting that side to cover all his wages provided there's no loan fee. £2.5 million (His wages) to have a player like Mooy for the season is a bargain in today's game I think you're making a huge leap of faith there. What happens if Mooy get's injured or loses form? Town have committed a huge amount of salary to a player they'll likely have no control of over the next three years. If he was worth £6m and Brighton offered that, Phil should've snapped their hands off. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:55:19 GMT 1
If Quaner is on 15k. Give me a grand a week, I’m same height and I can run around looking lost, all arms and legs for 90 minutes, no fucking problem. Can you duck as well as him though Spezial? PS QPR reference. Oh aye. I can even curl up in a little ball if need be |
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Post by townatheart on Aug 27, 2019 19:56:30 GMT 1
Don't forget the crazy commitment to Mooy beyond this season. Maybe B&HA are paying his full wages for 19/20, but Town are liable for Mooy's salary (£50k per week?) in 20/21 and 21/22. Please confirm that you have full knowledge of the legal details of Mooy's contract. Just curious as that is how your post reads. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:57:04 GMT 1
I have just read in the examiner that Canal Side has not been given planning approval yet so on this basis I assume it’s not been paid for and will probably not go ahead unless we stay in the championship, I guess this just adds to the mystery of what has happened to all the money as I thought this was paid for already Some of the work has already been done so will have been paid for, there were several phases and I guess this is the final one that the examiner article states should be signed off this week. Think you're reading too much into it. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2019 19:57:24 GMT 1
No idea. But he'll still command that sort of fee next summer if someone wants him permanently. We'll have no trouble loaning him out and getting that side to cover all his wages provided there's no loan fee. £2.5 million (His wages) to have a player like Mooy for the season is a bargain in today's game I think you're making a huge leap of faith there. What happens if Mooy get's injured or loses form? Town have committed a huge amount of salary to a player they'll likely have no control of over the next three years. If he was worth £6m and Brighton offered that, Phil should've snapped their hands off. Brighton didn't want to pay anything for him but were happy to cover his wages for 12 months. Other clubs will also be prepared to do the same next summer Every club runs a risk when they hand contracts out that a player might get injured. Unfortunately players won't accept week to week contracts |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:59:59 GMT 1
Don't forget the crazy commitment to Mooy beyond this season. Maybe B&HA are paying his full wages for 19/20, but Town are liable for Mooy's salary (£50k per week?) in 20/21 and 21/22. Please confirm that you have full knowledge of the legal details of Mooy's contract. Just curious as that is how your post reads. The £50k per week is my pro-rata estimate after reading Kongolo's list of other players further up this thread. Do you think I'm far off? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:03:09 GMT 1
And to add... it was Kongolo who said Town will able to sell him for £6m next off-season, despite his own admission that not one club wanted to pay Town's value (whatever that was) this summer.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 27, 2019 20:05:15 GMT 1
First, apologies as I missed your ? In your post. I really don't know to be honest what his wages are, or how the new contract is structured. Just find if somewhat irritating how some seem to post stuff as fact when they do not know either. But at least you have sense to cover yourself with the question mark. |
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