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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 23, 2019 21:28:37 GMT 1
Where we have spent about a million quid on transfers, signed no quality players, have a first choice centre back who is 30 plus and his legs are shot, not won a game all season, seemingly carry no goal threat. The team performance, recruitment and squad quality is lower than I could have imagined in my worst nightmares. I was referencing the financial position and people's misinformed analysis. The 2 will interact when season tickets go on sale if something doesn't change quickly. Something doesn't seem right to me on the money front. I'm not financial wizz but I hope we spend some money in the next window. |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 24, 2019 11:27:57 GMT 1
or maybe he wouldnt have outside investment because they would scrutinise where all moneys gone and want to look at books.something doesnt add up to me šššššššššššš What a prat. We know the money came from DH. So at worst, the money would have fibre back to DH. Why would he need to hide it? He invested Ā£50m in the club, delivered prem footy vs a guaranteed income of around Ā£380m over 5 years. When we were running at a loss of about Ā£5m/year on a Ā£12m wage bill. Are you saying that (if he did) he didn't deserve his money back? im entitled to Talk about Ungrateful im entitled to my opinion i take it your one these people whod let dean take a shit on your head and thank im for it.happy clapping fool |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 24, 2019 11:29:21 GMT 1
What a prat. We know the money came from DH. So at worst, the money would have fibre back to DH. Why would he need to hide it? He invested Ā£50m in the club, delivered prem footy vs a guaranteed income of around Ā£380m over 5 years. When we were running at a loss of about Ā£5m/year on a Ā£12m wage bill. Are you saying that (if he did) he didn't deserve his money back? im entitled to Talk about Ungrateful im entitled to my opinion i take it your one these people whod let dean take a shit on your head and thank im for it.happy clapping fool and another thing i never name call unless im slagged off where all entitled to our opinion šššššš |
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 24, 2019 11:38:51 GMT 1
im entitled to my opinion i take it your one these people whod let dean take a shit on your head and thank im for it.happy clapping fool and another thing i never name call unless im slagged off where all entitled to our opinion šššššš the thing theres been a total lack of transparecy about the take over and where the moneys gone .if after 2 years in the premiership and all the riches it was supposed to bring its all gone id like to know where.we all have differing opinions about things iv never been great fan of hoyles ever since he made grayson manager i know we got promoted with him.but end day he was a leeds fan and its never sat well with me |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 11:56:29 GMT 1
I think Phil is asset stripping us to fund a Southport FC assault on the League. Expect to see them in the Championship by 2025. You heard it here first.
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 24, 2019 18:46:59 GMT 1
and another thing i never name call unless im slagged off where all entitled to our opinion šššššš the thing theres been a total lack of transparecy about the take over and where the moneys gone .if after 2 years in the premiership and all the riches it was supposed to bring its all gone id like to know where.we all have differing opinions about things iv never been great fan of hoyles ever since he made grayson manager i know we got promoted with him.but end day he was a leeds fan and its never sat well with me This says all I need to know about your intelligence regarding football. I won't bother responding to your posts again. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 24, 2019 19:09:20 GMT 1
"Im trying to work out why we suddenly have no money " Another guesser. Who says we don't have money . We DO have money. The problem we have is that the window is now closed . Stop making stuff up ffs you're an old man behaving like an 8 year old Income Estimated Ā£200 million just for winning the play off final SKY TV money over two seasons Sponsorship money Gate receipts from near full houses Money recieved for Billing and Smith. Part parachute payment. others not mentioned = how much did this lot come to --------------------------------------------- Money spent/wasted on fees wages etc  ? = on absolute shite like MOUNIE ,FLO ,BACUNA,MBENZA ,kACHUNGA ETC ETC |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 24, 2019 19:13:56 GMT 1
The next set of published accounts will make for interesting reading. However, it can be easy to hide what you donāt want folk to see.
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 24, 2019 19:46:44 GMT 1
7 of us today have not been able to work out how we have spent all out first years parachute payments we showed a trading profit in the two years I the Premiership I think last year was Ā£25m we get Ā£42m this year as a parachute payment plus Ā£20m transfer funds and we are making exactly the same mistake as last year by not investing the money we have in quality players for the division we are in. Yes I am only guessing I donāt know the facts but in my opinion it looks like the DH loans have been called in as that is the only reason I can think of that leaves us with no monies from our time in the Premiership.
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 24, 2019 19:50:43 GMT 1
"Im trying to work out why we suddenly have no money " Another guesser. Who says we don't have money . We DO have money. The problem we have is that the window is now closed . Stop making stuff up ffs you're an old man behaving like an 8 year old IncomeĀ Ā Estimated Ā£200 million just for winning the play off final SKY TV money over two seasons Sponsorship money Gate receipts from near full houses Money recieved for Billing and Smith. Part parachute payment. others not mentionedĀ = how much did this lot come to --------------------------------------------- Money spent/wasted on fees wages etcĀ ? = on absolute shite like MOUNIE ,FLO ,BACUNA,MBENZA ,kACHUNGA ETC ETC Kachunga was one of the ones that got us to the premier league. Nothing to do with the where all the money went agenda. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 24, 2019 19:53:26 GMT 1
I think Phil is asset stripping us to fund a Southport FC assault on the League. Expect to see them in the Championship by 2025. You heard it here first. I think you are complete knob head. And I can prove it with the same amount of evidence as you have to back up your claim about our chairman. |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 24, 2019 19:59:14 GMT 1
It was all in place everyone lost 40% of their wages. 40 per cent reduction on too much may still be too much? That is the problem, remember we went up with a wage bill of around Ā£11m and now I'd guess it is close to Ā£30m still. People think the parachute money is free to spend when its to cover the massive loss of income the club has and get to restructure the squad. Yes the wage bill has cut massively but we will have a much bigger than the club can afford. The trouble is that most clubs who come down with parachute payments gamble and massively overspend so appears its due to parachute payments when that isn't the case |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 24, 2019 20:06:47 GMT 1
"Im trying to work out why we suddenly have no money " Another guesser. Who says we don't have money . We DO have money. The problem we have is that the window is now closed . Stop making stuff up ffs you're an old man behaving like an 8 year old IncomeĀ Ā Estimated Ā£200 million just for winning the play off final SKY TV money over two seasons Sponsorship money Gate receipts from near full houses Money recieved for Billing and Smith. Part parachute payment. others not mentionedĀ = how much did this lot come to --------------------------------------------- Money spent/wasted on fees wages etcĀ ? = on absolute shite like MOUNIE ,FLO ,BACUNA,MBENZA ,kACHUNGA ETC ETC Have you been as spineless and whiney as this for each one of your 90 odd years supoorting town ? How the fuck did you cope in the fourth division in front of 1800 ? |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 24, 2019 20:33:34 GMT 1
Genuine question rather than a sly dig at Dean, when he bought HTFC's shares back off Davy he did say that they would be put into a trust fund to safeguard them for the club in the future - have they ?
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Post by jasrick on Aug 24, 2019 20:50:01 GMT 1
The next set of published accounts will make for interesting reading. However, it can be easy to hide what you donāt want folk to see. The next set of published accounts will come out in March and they will only cover activities up to June 2019... anything thatās happened this summer wonāt be represented in there. Weāre going to be waiting until March 2021 to find out whatās gone on this summer. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Aug 24, 2019 21:00:05 GMT 1
"Im trying to work out why we suddenly have no money " Another guesser. Who says we don't have money . We DO have money. The problem we have is that the window is now closed . Stop making stuff up ffs you're an old man behaving like an 8 year old Income Estimated Ā£200 million just for winning the play off final SKY TV money over two seasons Sponsorship money Gate receipts from near full houses Money recieved for Billing and Smith. Part parachute payment. others not mentioned = how much did this lot come to --------------------------------------------- Money spent/wasted on fees wages etc ? = on absolute shite like MOUNIE ,FLO ,BACUNA,MBENZA ,kACHUNGA ETC ETC One problem here is that your Ā£200m and SKY TV money are in fact one and the same. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 24, 2019 21:39:32 GMT 1
Are we going to have the same thread every time we lose a game? The answer is the same, it doesn't matter, there's nothing we can do with the money, the transfer window is closed. Ask again in January by all means but the witch-hunt every week is really irritating. We can't buy anybody with the "premier league money", the "billing money", the "Mooy money", the season ticket money, Dean's money, Phil's Money, or an Arab Sheikh's money even if we wanted to. The only thing we can spend on now is a new manager, let's see what happens, it's been 5 days. And let's not ignore the fact that we've just shelled out on binning Winkler, Bell and Siewert, that wasn't free. Can't we bring in an out of contract full back ? Midfielder ? So there is something we can do with the 20m. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 24, 2019 21:57:35 GMT 1
I have read and heard quotes of a 60m wage bill in our first season in the premier league.... That's equivalent to 24 players earning Ā£48,000 a week.
i understood Hogg to have had a new contract at Ā£20,000.
How therefore did we get to Ā£60m, ok we had Wagner and coaches etc but even if we had 12 players on 40k and 12 on 20k that would total Ā£37.5m so plenty for manager, coach, employees but not 22.5m.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 24, 2019 21:58:56 GMT 1
I have read and heard quotes of a 60m wage bill in our first season in the premier league.... That's equivalent to 24 players earning Ā£48,000 a week. i understood Hogg to have had a new contract at Ā£20,000. How therefore did we get to Ā£60m, ok we had Wagner and coaches etc but even if we had 12 players on 40k and 12 on 20k that would total Ā£37.5m so plenty for manager, coach, employees but not 22.5m. Does the 60 include agents fees, bonuses for promotion ? |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 24, 2019 22:17:38 GMT 1
I have read and heard quotes of a 60m wage bill in our first season in the premier league.... That's equivalent to 24 players earning Ā£48,000 a week. i understood Hogg to have had a new contract at Ā£20,000. How therefore did we get to Ā£60m, ok we had Wagner and coaches etc but even if we had 12 players on 40k and 12 on 20k that would total Ā£37.5m so plenty for manager, coach, employees but not 22.5m. Does the 60 include agents fees, bonuses for promotion ? It must do. There's no way that the players' wages would have amounted to 60 million just on their annual wages alone. I think you have to include agents fees, coaching staff, office staff, etc. - even so, 60 million is a huge amount and really underlines the pointlessness of reaching the PL elite for clubs like us (as we are atm). |
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Post by hazycosmicjive on Aug 24, 2019 22:21:05 GMT 1
Iām not a Town fan but I was perplexed to say the least when Matt Glennon made comments on Radio Leeds the other night suggesting that Townās āfinancial cupboard was bareā.
How come? You havenāt ādone a Fulhamā , Dean Hoyle has never struck me as an asset stripper and your new owner hasnāt had time to do much at all. It just doesnāt add up.
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Post by E4b on Aug 24, 2019 22:23:15 GMT 1
Iām not a Town fan but I was perplexed to say the least when Matt Glennon made comments on Radio Leeds the other night suggesting that Townās āfinancial cupboard was bareā. How come? You havenāt ādone a Fulhamā , Dean Hoyle has never struck me as an asset stripper and your new owner hasnāt had time to do much at all. It just doesnāt add up. Give us a clue, wish we knew. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 24, 2019 22:25:04 GMT 1
Iām not a Town fan but I was perplexed to say the least when Matt Glennon made comments on Radio Leeds the other night suggesting that Townās āfinancial cupboard was bareā. How come? You havenāt ādone a Fulhamā , Dean Hoyle has never struck me as an asset stripper and your new owner hasnāt had time to do much at all. It just doesnāt add up. Or maybe just maybe matt glennon is a bald hairdresser who doesnt know everything |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 24, 2019 22:26:22 GMT 1
Does the 60 include agents fees, bonuses for promotion ? It must do. There's no way that the players' wages would have amounted to 60 million just on their annual wages alone. I think you have to include agents fees, coaching staff, office staff, etc. - even so, 60 million is a huge amount and really underlines the pointlessness of reaching the PL elite for clubs like us (as we are atm). If we get there again I think I would prefer us to go up and invest nothing and just let the championship team have a real go at it. Then come down having banked a fortune plus parachute payments then have another go with a better squad. Looks like Norwich's plan. otherwise as you say... It's Pointless reaching the premier league from a financial point of view. Clubs chasing this pot of gold are not understanding the associated increase in spend. |
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Post by htfctx on Aug 24, 2019 23:27:44 GMT 1
It must do. There's no way that the players' wages would have amounted to 60 million just on their annual wages alone. I think you have to include agents fees, coaching staff, office staff, etc. - even so, 60 million is a huge amount and really underlines the pointlessness of reaching the PL elite for clubs like us (as we are atm). If we get there again I think I would prefer us to go up and invest nothing and just let the championship team have a real go at it. Ā Then come down having banked a fortune plus parachute payments then have another go with a better squad. Looks like Norwich's plan. otherwise as you say... It's Pointless reaching the premier league from a financial point of view. Ā Clubs chasing this pot of gold are not understanding the associated increase in spend. It seems like teams turnover their squad 25% per year. (Six in six out?). When they win promotion, it seems more than that. Why then, should players achieve promotion? Money. Agents can add. Transfer fees are 50%, wages and agents fees, the other 50%. 12 million transfer fee, double it for full impact. Towns number one priority is getting the money scaled down. Squad turnover rate gives the three transfer window, accelerated plan. If a relegation blows away the special fitness and commitment requirement, how do you turn that around? Get back to having fun on the job. Find a "Warnock like" motivator, A savvy leader. Tough times ahead before this ship geta back on course. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:32:16 GMT 1
I think Phil is asset stripping us to fund a Southport FC assault on the League. Expect to see them in the Championship by 2025. You heard it here first. I think you are complete knob head. And I can prove it with the same amount of evidence as you have to back up your claim about our chairman. Oh, dear. I think you are taking things a bit too literally. |
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Post by artysid on Aug 25, 2019 11:35:43 GMT 1
Not being up on the length of player contracts etc, I worry that we will still have a lot of highly paid dross on our books when the parachute payments end.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 25, 2019 11:39:28 GMT 1
I think you are complete knob head. And I can prove it with the same amount of evidence as you have to back up your claim about our chairman. Oh, dear. I think you are taking things a bit too literally. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I took your post as a bit of humour? Did I get it wrong? |
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Post by townatheart on Aug 25, 2019 11:40:45 GMT 1
Not being up on the length of player contracts etc, I worry that we will still have a lot of highly paid dross on our books when the parachute payments end. I hope I'm wrong. Suspect that is the rationale behind PH's three windows to get things corrected.  |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 25, 2019 11:44:21 GMT 1
There's no way towns wage bill this season will be more than 30 million
So we've got 45 million coming in from parachute payments, 4 or so from tickets and commercial stuff and 20 plus so far from player sales. That's a surplus of 40 million.
The only explanation as to why we're skint is that Phil is having to use this money to purchase the club from Dean
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