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Post by tvor on Aug 23, 2019 7:58:27 GMT 1
Like most on this thread, it’s far too early to judge what kind of chairman he is or will be and he has to have the benefit of the doubt. If I were him, I wouldn’t be out answering fans questions until there is a bit of good news and doubt we’ll see him until the new manager is appointed at the earliest.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 23, 2019 8:58:52 GMT 1
Two months into the job and he's receiving dogs abuse and even has a new name 'potless Phil' - with absolutely no substance or facts behind it. Imagine if DH got the same abuse and walked 10 years ago ? Let him get on with it and judge him by season end. “no substance or facts behind i” Are you for real? We’ve spent no fucking money - despite a massive windfall from being relegated and the sale of some of our best players. But remember, Potless isn’t here “to be average”....... Dean gave us something to be exited about right away and came across extremely well whilst doing so. Imagine him parading up and down the touch line on his phone, in full view of the media, after a defeat. We’re currently just part of a massive ego trip. Southport fans know what he is about. We spent about £9m this summer. Spending money isn;t automatically the answer. Its what you spend money on. Weve spent money ( shit loads of it ) on all sorts of players who get constantly slated on here as being utterly crap and a complete waste of money. They were all over the pitch at cardiff. Tens of millions of pounds worth of them. Should we have done more of that? Or maybe wait until we have different people sourcing the players before we start spending whatever money we have? Dean came in and spent money on a side valued collectively at £45k when it was eventually sold on. In League 1 £0.5m bought you practically the best player in the division. Its really not a fair comparison. When did we turn into Sheff weds? Or Leeds? " We're massive and should have an billionaire oligarch running us!" |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 23, 2019 9:05:57 GMT 1
“no substance or facts behind i” Are you for real? We’ve spent no fucking money - despite a massive windfall from being relegated and the sale of some of our best players. But remember, Potless isn’t here “to be average”....... Dean gave us something to be exited about right away and came across extremely well whilst doing so. Imagine him parading up and down the touch line on his phone, in full view of the media, after a defeat. We’re currently just part of a massive ego trip. Southport fans know what he is about. We spent about £9m this summer. Spending money isn;t automatically the answer. Its what you spend money on. Weve spent money ( shit loads of it ) on all sorts of players who get constantly slated on here as being utterly crap and a complete waste of money. They were all over the pitch at cardiff. Tens of millions of pounds worth of them. Should we have done more of that? Or maybe wait until we have different people sourcing the players before we start spending whatever money we have? Dean came in and spent money on a side valued collectively at £45k when it was eventually sold on. In League 1 £0.5m bought you practically the best player in the division. Its really not a fair comparison. When did we turn into Sheff weds? Or Leeds? " We're massive and should have an billionaire oligarch running us!" He simply should not have taken on this football club without the funds to run it. If he is using the clubs income to purchase the club then Dean Hoyle has just turned his legacy into dust |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:12:25 GMT 1
We spent about £9m this summer. Spending money isn;t automatically the answer. Its what you spend money on. Weve spent money ( shit loads of it ) on all sorts of players who get constantly slated on here as being utterly crap and a complete waste of money. They were all over the pitch at cardiff. Tens of millions of pounds worth of them. Should we have done more of that? Or maybe wait until we have different people sourcing the players before we start spending whatever money we have? Dean came in and spent money on a side valued collectively at £45k when it was eventually sold on. In League 1 £0.5m bought you practically the best player in the division. Its really not a fair comparison. When did we turn into Sheff weds? Or Leeds? " We're massive and should have an billionaire oligarch running us!" He simply should not have taken on this football club without the funds to run it. If he is using the clubs income to purchase the club then Dean Hoyle has just turned his legacy into dust Self sustainability, Dean Hoyle's target. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 23, 2019 9:13:43 GMT 1
If I was Phil.... I'd give up now. You cant change your face and unfortunately his face and personality dont seem to fit. I think he should be given a chance, he has acted and sacked Jan.... far earlier than deano may have, He did state it's a 3 window transition and this window would be tough to swallow. BUT, the first impressions he has given fans have not been positive. The paddy power stunt was stupid and lost the clubs hierarchy alot of respect. The promise of signings that didn't materialise, His sudden disappearance from the media etc etc. Ultimately he will be judged on the results he gets.... most folk aren't worried about blue and white seats, stadium facilities... it's all about Saturday afternoon. It took dean 7 years+ to find a manager... Phil is going to made or broken trying to find the special one in 7 weeks. I will take issue with the Paddy Power stunt. At the time respect went out of the window with the gutter press jumping in, but it came pouring back in when it was revealed as a quite brilliant sales gimmick. Record shirt sales followed and nothing but positives since with them as far as I can see. A club with a sense of humour, whatever next. For those that criticise the club for using a betting company take a look at the rest of the football league. I confess i'm not a betting man but it hasn't encouraged me to start either. Taking the piss out of your own football club is not a good look.... after all the small club, small dog bollox, I think it was a poor decision for a NEW chairman to allow, when you need to get fans onside, a stunt like that isnt the best idea. IF it had been deano then I think he had enough goodwill for it not to alienate the fanbase. It's like walking into a meeting and taking the piss out of the managing directors of the firm your selling to..... it takes alot of goodwill and relationship foundations before you can even attempt to get away with it and even then it's probably not the wisest thing to do.... just incase the next sale goes tits up somehow. But each to their own. I would say that from a fans point of view it's probably done Phil more harm than good... I'm not disputing that we may have sold more shirts and Andy's man club got a few quid, all positives. HOWEVER if you trace back the start of the real toxicity then I think you'll find it started with that stunt. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 23, 2019 9:17:55 GMT 1
If we get fined we get fined, I suspect Paddy Power have it covered. I get that but these things are usually resolved quite quickly. This one is dragging on. I guess it is complicated because there's no precedent. Probably give us a one point deduction. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 23, 2019 9:20:57 GMT 1
We spent about £9m this summer. Spending money isn;t automatically the answer. Its what you spend money on. Weve spent money ( shit loads of it ) on all sorts of players who get constantly slated on here as being utterly crap and a complete waste of money. They were all over the pitch at cardiff. Tens of millions of pounds worth of them. Should we have done more of that? Or maybe wait until we have different people sourcing the players before we start spending whatever money we have? Dean came in and spent money on a side valued collectively at £45k when it was eventually sold on. In League 1 £0.5m bought you practically the best player in the division. Its really not a fair comparison. When did we turn into Sheff weds? Or Leeds? " We're massive and should have an billionaire oligarch running us!" He simply should not have taken on this football club without the funds to run it. If he is using the clubs income to purchase the club then Dean Hoyle has just turned his legacy into dust But you don;t know what his funds are. You don;t know what Dean Hoyles funds are. You don;t know what the clubs funds are. You don;t know how much DH is getting for the club, You don;t know how that is structured, over what time, or where it comes from. You don;t know the commitments the clubs got.. wages, fees, previous transfers I don't know either. Why should we, its not our business. Dean Hoyles turned his legacy to dust?? What a crazy thing to say! If the club pay him back his money ( and we don;t know that ) then fair enough. Whats wrong with that? He gave the club money, the club give it him back. Seems fair to me. In the meantime we go on an amazing journey of promotions, Wembley euphoria, multi million pound signings, the prem, packed houses, trianing infrastructure investment, assets returning etc etc The only way his legacy could ever turn to dust is to get a time machine, go back to 2008 and spend the following 11 years in L1 and L2 without a pot to piss in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:23:16 GMT 1
I will take issue with the Paddy Power stunt. At the time respect went out of the window with the gutter press jumping in, but it came pouring back in when it was revealed as a quite brilliant sales gimmick. Record shirt sales followed and nothing but positives since with them as far as I can see. A club with a sense of humour, whatever next. For those that criticise the club for using a betting company take a look at the rest of the football league. I confess i'm not a betting man but it hasn't encouraged me to start either. Taking the piss out of your own football club is not a good look.... after all the small club, small dog bollox, I think it was a poor decision for a NEW chairman to allow, when you need to get fans onside, a stunt like that isnt the best idea. IF it had been deano then I think he had enough goodwill for it not to alienate the fanbase. It's like walking into a meeting and taking the piss out of the managing directors of the firm your selling to..... it takes alot of goodwill and relationship foundations before you can even attempt to get away with it and even then it's probably not the wisest thing to do.... just incase the next sale goes tits up somehow. But each to their own. I would say that from a fans point of view it's probably done Phil more harm than good... I'm not disputing that we may have sold more shirts and Andy's man club got a few quid, all positives. HOWEVER if you trace back the start of the real toxicity then I think you'll find it started with that stunt. I disagree totally, it ended up putting more smiles on faces at the time than anything else that's happened in the last 12 months at my club. If you can't take a joke..... PS. I guarantee there will be no points deduction, unless that was your idea of humour.  |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 23, 2019 9:31:36 GMT 1
We are still paying the vast majority of our income on paying players who HAVE to be better than they are or have been for some time.
Phil is possibly of the opinion that a serious enema needs shoving up the playing staff but the failure of a number of our star players and their agents to get moves this summer has somewhat put this back a bit. I do believe we were all surprised when the expected big money moves failed to happen and therefore the squad we still HAD was on good money for this division and adding more good wages was not an option.??
Pay out more in fees and wages to replace players still here on contacts and good money, then not playing them??? Fucking suicide that we have seen a few times before from ex premiership teams?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:37:39 GMT 1
Phils a life long passionate town fan. He loves the club and has since he was a kid. Hes a very successful businessman who done well for himself and was hand picked by dean hoyle, someone who knows him very well, as the preferred option to take over the club from him. How theyve gone about that transition is their business. He really doesn;t deserve this endless finger pointing and slurs on his character. Well said CS I am sick to death of the constant sniping at PH and it's time to call it a day on this character assassination .It is totally unjustified .Harming his reputation in this manner has gone far enough . |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 23, 2019 9:38:48 GMT 1
Taking the piss out of your own football club is not a good look.... after all the small club, small dog bollox, I think it was a poor decision for a NEW chairman to allow, when you need to get fans onside, a stunt like that isnt the best idea. IF it had been deano then I think he had enough goodwill for it not to alienate the fanbase. It's like walking into a meeting and taking the piss out of the managing directors of the firm your selling to..... it takes alot of goodwill and relationship foundations before you can even attempt to get away with it and even then it's probably not the wisest thing to do.... just incase the next sale goes tits up somehow. But each to their own. I would say that from a fans point of view it's probably done Phil more harm than good... I'm not disputing that we may have sold more shirts and Andy's man club got a few quid, all positives. HOWEVER if you trace back the start of the real toxicity then I think you'll find it started with that stunt. I disagree totally, it ended up putting more smiles on faces at the time than anything else that's happened in the last 12 months at my club. If you can't take a joke..... PS. I guarantee there will be no points deduction, unless that was your idea of humour. Yes it was. If we had managed to have a good start to the season then it wouldn't have mattered, but like the sales meeting, the club took the piss and now it's going tits its another stick to beat the club with, turning a preseason game into a marketing event, smacks of unprofessionalism, it's another example of the shambles the start of the season has been, poorly judged unless you already have enough goodwill in credit. The fact you and I disagree shows that it was divisive... to what extent I'm not sure, but the toxicity of the fanbase turned and that has manifested itself now into the shit show we are witnessing. By the way it didn't bring a smile to my face, I just shook my head and thought it was abit pathetic, hardly saving shirts when paddy power font is so obvious in the save our shirt campaign and plastered allover the ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:54:13 GMT 1
Imo he needs to Do an Odeon film part two, Tell us exactly what is going on, Why didnt we sign decent players ? How on earth can approx 240 million go in two years ? Totally disagree .He has enough on his plate sorting out our next manager and how we turn around our poor start .Q. and A 's can wait a while . |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 23, 2019 10:01:51 GMT 1
I think Phil Hodgkinson made the point in his Q and A that we have a wage budget that is more than double what it was the last time we were playing in the Championship.
We also have around 60+ million paid out in transfer fees within the current squad.
It's not his fault they're playing like a bunch of lost little girls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 10:26:05 GMT 1
I disagree totally, it ended up putting more smiles on faces at the time than anything else that's happened in the last 12 months at my club. If you can't take a joke..... PS. I guarantee there will be no points deduction, unless that was your idea of humour. Yes it was. If we had managed to have a good start to the season then it wouldn't have mattered, but like the sales meeting, the club took the piss and now it's going tits its another stick to beat the club with, turning a preseason game into a marketing event, smacks of unprofessionalism, it's another example of the shambles the start of the season has been, poorly judged unless you already have enough goodwill in credit. The fact you and I disagree shows that it was divisive... to what extent I'm not sure, but the toxicity of the fanbase turned and that has manifested itself now into the shit show we are witnessing. By the way it didn't bring a smile to my face, I just shook my head and thought it was abit pathetic, hardly saving shirts when paddy power font is so obvious in the save our shirt campaign and plastered allover the ground. The fact that you and I disagree proves nothing. The only person as far as I can see using it as a stick to beat the club with is..... You! |
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 23, 2019 10:32:52 GMT 1
Taking the piss out of your own football club is not a good look.... after all the small club, small dog bollox, I think it was a poor decision for a NEW chairman to allow, when you need to get fans onside, a stunt like that isnt the best idea. IF it had been deano then I think he had enough goodwill for it not to alienate the fanbase. It's like walking into a meeting and taking the piss out of the managing directors of the firm your selling to..... it takes alot of goodwill and relationship foundations before you can even attempt to get away with it and even then it's probably not the wisest thing to do.... just incase the next sale goes tits up somehow. But each to their own. I would say that from a fans point of view it's probably done Phil more harm than good... I'm not disputing that we may have sold more shirts and Andy's man club got a few quid, all positives. HOWEVER if you trace back the start of the real toxicity then I think you'll find it started with that stunt. I disagree totally, it ended up putting more smiles on faces at the time than anything else that's happened in the last 12 months at my club. If you can't take a joke..... PS. I guarantee there will be no points deduction, unless that was your idea of humour. If you place a bigger emphasis on playing practical jokes with a bookie rather than focusing on actual football matters, then ultimately the club gets hurt. Not getting rid of a guy in May who was completely out his depth and not recruiting correctly whatsoever was the joke, albeit now, a rather cruel joke |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 10:36:21 GMT 1
“no substance or facts behind i” Are you for real? We’ve spent no fucking money - despite a massive windfall from being relegated and the sale of some of our best players. But remember, Potless isn’t here “to be average”....... Dean gave us something to be exited about right away and came across extremely well whilst doing so. Imagine him parading up and down the touch line on his phone, in full view of the media, after a defeat. We’re currently just part of a massive ego trip. Southport fans know what he is about. We spent about £9m this summer. Spending money isn;t automatically the answer. Its what you spend money on. Weve spent money ( shit loads of it ) on all sorts of players who get constantly slated on here as being utterly crap and a complete waste of money. They were all over the pitch at cardiff. Tens of millions of pounds worth of them. Should we have done more of that? Or maybe wait until we have different people sourcing the players before we start spending whatever money we have? Dean came in and spent money on a side valued collectively at £45k when it was eventually sold on. In League 1 £0.5m bought you practically the best player in the division. Its really not a fair comparison. When did we turn into Sheff weds? Or Leeds? " We're massive and should have an billionaire oligarch running us!" The vast majority on a player we were obligated to sign, the money will have already been set aside for that. Forget Mbenza (and I wish we really could) and we’ve spent under one million, that’s a fucking disgrace for a club that’s come down from the richest league in the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 10:50:00 GMT 1
Phils a life long passionate town fan. He loves the club and has since he was a kid. Hes a very successful businessman who done well for himself and was hand picked by dean hoyle, someone who knows him very well, as the preferred option to take over the club from him. How theyve gone about that transition is their business. He really doesn;t deserve this endless finger pointing and slurs on his character. Well said CS I am sick to death of the constant sniping at PH and it's time to call it a day on this character assassination .It is totally unjustified .Harming his reputation in this manner has gone far enough . there are certainly things to answer but you are correct that some of the attacks on PH are without foundation and he has to be allowed to get on with the job |
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Post by crux on Aug 23, 2019 10:51:59 GMT 1
I think Phil Hodgkinson made the point in his Q and A that we have a wage budget that is more than double what it was the last time we were playing in the Championship. We also have around 60+ million paid out in transfer fees within the current squad. It's not his fault they're playing like a bunch of lost little girls. Tbh the Lost Girls might be a little better than one or two of them  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:03:50 GMT 1
He simply should not have taken on this football club without the funds to run it. If he is using the clubs income to purchase the club then Dean Hoyle has just turned his legacy into dust Self sustainability, Dean Hoyle's target. Which is only really achievable at league one level. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:05:38 GMT 1
I think Phil Hodgkinson made the point in his Q and A that we have a wage budget that is more than double what it was the last time we were playing in the Championship. We also have around 60+ million paid out in transfer fees within the current squad. It's not his fault they're playing like a bunch of lost little girls. It is his partly his fault. He left an utterly clueless idiot in charge of the first team all summer when it blatantly obvious how inept and out of his depth he was from last years ‘impact’. We need a broom through in May. A new manager and squad overhaul. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Aug 23, 2019 11:06:30 GMT 1
If I was Phil.... I'd give up now. You cant change your face and unfortunately his face and personality dont seem to fit. I think he should be given a chance, he has acted and sacked Jan.... far earlier than deano may have, He did state it's a 3 window transition and this window would be tough to swallow. BUT, the first impressions he has given fans have not been positive. The paddy power stunt was stupid and lost the clubs hierarchy alot of respect. The promise of signings that didn't materialise, His sudden disappearance from the media etc etc. Ultimately he will be judged on the results he gets.... most folk aren't worried about blue and white seats, stadium facilities... it's all about Saturday afternoon. It took dean 7 years+ to find a manager... Phil is going to made or broken trying to find the special one in 7 weeks. I will take issue with the Paddy Power stunt. At the time respect went out of the window with the gutter press jumping in, but it came pouring back in when it was revealed as a quite brilliant sales gimmick. Record shirt sales followed and nothing but positives since with them as far as I can see. A club with a sense of humour, whatever next. For those that criticise the club for using a betting company take a look at the rest of the football league. I confess i'm not a betting man but it hasn't encouraged me to start either. Only idiots gamble.... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 23, 2019 11:32:59 GMT 1
You sell all or at least a few of your 'star' players who are on big money after relegation and you bring in players you want on decent money.
You cannot replace players who have not left and you continue to pay big wages .
Bringing in new costs and then paying big earners to sit on the bench till they finally fuck off for next to nothing is suicidal financially. They need to get motivated, get playing and at least do well enough to get them a decent move for both themselves and us.
Can't work out why this circumstance is so hard for some to grasp?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:33:54 GMT 1
A drinking buddy of my uncle's friend has it on good authority that Phil is a CIA asset.
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Post by terrierhx on Aug 23, 2019 11:40:12 GMT 1
Imo he needs to Do an Odeon film part two, Tell us exactly what is going on, Why didnt we sign decent players ? How on earth can approx 240 million go in two years ? He answered your last point and spelled out the maths at the Q&A !!! |
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Post by terrierhx on Aug 23, 2019 11:43:35 GMT 1
Phils a life long passionate town fan. He loves the club and has since he was a kid. Hes a very successful businessman who done well for himself and was hand picked by dean hoyle, someone who knows him very well, as the preferred option to take over the club from him. How theyve gone about that transition is their business. He really doesn;t deserve this endless finger pointing and slurs on his character. Nice that we are starting to see some sensible views and to give this man some time. To be here for 7/8 weeks and to be getting the blame laid at his door for everything just shows the lack of intellect of many on here! Give him some time FFS! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:55:24 GMT 1
Phils a life long passionate town fan. He loves the club and has since he was a kid. Hes a very successful businessman who done well for himself and was hand picked by dean hoyle, someone who knows him very well, as the preferred option to take over the club from him. How theyve gone about that transition is their business. He really doesn;t deserve this endless finger pointing and slurs on his character. Well said CS I am sick to death of the constant sniping at PH and it's time to call it a day on this character assassination .It is totally unjustified .Harming his reputation in this manner has gone far enough . That’s just the life of a football chairman in this day and age. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Bits of social media nonsense won’t affect him anyway. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 23, 2019 11:55:41 GMT 1
Phil is partly to blame wether he likes it or not. Sacking Siewart after 3 games. Wasn't it obvious last season he was clearly not up to the job? The performances were diabolical and Jan clearly had no clue. He should have been thanked for his efforts after the Southampton game and we should have appointed a new manager straight away to give them a summer with this group of players. We could have gone for a Hughton at the end of the season. We wouldn't be in this mess now.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 23, 2019 11:56:10 GMT 1
Phils a life long passionate town fan. He loves the club and has since he was a kid. Hes a very successful businessman who done well for himself and was hand picked by dean hoyle, someone who knows him very well, as the preferred option to take over the club from him. How theyve gone about that transition is their business. He really doesn;t deserve this endless finger pointing and slurs on his character. Nice that we are starting to see some sensible views and to give this man some time. To be here for 7/8 weeks and to be getting the blame laid at his door for everything just shows the lack of intellect of many on here! Give him some time FFS! Think it's the belief that the huge money awash in the game actually goes anywhere else than mostly into the pockets of players, it does not move around the game itself, it moves with fees and TV money until it leaves the game into a silly fleet of cars, silly mock Tudor mansions and expensive women. 🙈🙉🙊 |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 23, 2019 12:10:27 GMT 1
I'm no expert on the differences between the same test for the EPL vs the EFL. Quick one - how can something that is the same also have differences? |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 23, 2019 12:18:24 GMT 1
I've not been a fan of the way he's presented himself in the slightest but the 'Potless Phil'/'Pauper Phil' stuff is juvenile and embarrassing, as is any other personal abuse. It's also counter-productive for the club we all love, as is any wild speculation about 'where the money's gone' at this early stage.
Siewert should've gone in the summer but I can totally understand why Hodgkinson might've been hesitant to do it even if he felt it needed doing. It wouldn't have been a good look to have come in and basically told everyone on the football side of things (including Dean) that they'd dropped a bollock without giving things a chance in the league below. No doubt the narrative with some fans would then have been 'Who does this guy think he is, that he knows better than Deano when he's just turned up from Southport?' In a way we're probably fortunate that the start has been so bad that no-one can have any real arguments with the change, otherwise things might've spluttered along for longer.
Appointing Siewert at the point we did was the real mistake and it was pretty obvious at the time. If Hudson wasn't allowed it should've been someone on a six month contract just to get us to the end of the season when we could make a genuine fresh start with new ideas.
You don't have to like the guy but he deserves more of a chance than he's getting.
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