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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 25, 2019 19:28:33 GMT 1
I totally get where the OP is coming from. I hate that I feel that way. I've supported Town for 30 years and this is the first time I have felt this way. As soon as we concede, a point is the absolute maximum you could hope for. We look like we can't be bothered and then just usually pass it around slowly. The apparent lack of interest/effort on the pitch is starting (started over a year ago?) to transfer to supporters. 'If they cant be arsed, why should I?' We take so long to get the ball forward, the opposition has 9-11 men behind the ball before we think about having a go. For a team with the pace we have (Mbenza, Diakhaby, Van La Parra, Grant) that is a ridiculous scenario. Counter attacking football requires a rapid response to opposition attacks, otherwise you're just inviting pressure onto you with nothing for the opposition to think about. Our marking is generally shite too, possibly because we are too lazy or unfit to track a run). It feels like a disease atm in the team The defence just stood about looking at each other for both goals |
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Post by Melc on Aug 25, 2019 19:34:00 GMT 1
I totally get where the OP is coming from. I hate that I feel that way. I've supported Town for 30 years and this is the first time I have felt this way. As soon as we concede, a point is the absolute maximum you could hope for. We look like we can't be bothered and then just usually pass it around slowly. The apparent lack of interest/effort on the pitch is starting (started over a year ago?) to transfer to supporters. 'If they cant be arsed, why should I?' We take so long to get the ball forward, the opposition has 9-11 men behind the ball before we think about having a go. For a team with the pace we have (Mbenza, Diakhaby, Van La Parra, Grant) that is a ridiculous scenario. Counter attacking football requires a rapid response to opposition attacks, otherwise you're just inviting pressure onto you with nothing for the opposition to think about. Our marking is generally shite too, possibly because we are too lazy or unfit to track a run). It feels like a disease atm in the team The defence just stood about looking at each other for both goals nick the whole play from defence up to attack is slow. My Grandson’s U10s team pass the ball quicker and have movement that puts us to shame! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 20:28:10 GMT 1
I felt this way last season. I will own up to not renewing my season ticket when we got promoted. The Premiership is a complete turn off to me. Got my ticket back this season and it has been hard to watch and I understand the OPs comments. I do feel there is a decent team in there though. One which can compete in this league even if we don’t tear up any trees. They got me off my seat first half yesterday and made me remember, just for a while, how good it feels to watch my team play.
We have been in the doldrums for about 12 months and that can seem a long time in football. We need a change but not root and branch. A good coach and a few wins will bring the feeling back. It really can turn around that quickly.
I do understand the OPs point but your team is literally for a lifetime. It will come good again.
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Post by towny4ever on Aug 25, 2019 20:33:43 GMT 1
79-80 I started & as has been said ruined weekends if we lost maybe it’s just growing older & having more perspectives on life or maybe it’s just that I’ve ticked the big league box at last or maybe just the acceptance that we always fuk it up in the end-2 fab seasons getting promoted & season 1 but last season was one of the worst despite the big league also finding out it’s not actually that great up there after all!
I’ll watch Town at least at home forever & always care but wknds aren’t ruined anymore just better IF we win.
PS. Phil.....WHERE HAS THE BLUDY MONEY GONE???
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Post by lochnessterrier on Aug 25, 2019 20:56:19 GMT 1
Bring back bloody Jacko, at least we'd go down fighting. dear me Chill out mate it was tongue in cheek! |
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Post by paulsg on Aug 25, 2019 21:15:36 GMT 1
Been at Headingley today, at the moment I don’t give a stuff about yesterday.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Aug 25, 2019 21:30:21 GMT 1
I haven't lost my emotional attachment to the club. That loss today pissed me off as much as any of the countless other ones we've suffered over the past year or so. I have become accustomed to losing - and not scoring - but I haven't lost my passion for the club. Only today my dad and I were discussing potential away trips. I understand how some fans have become weary of continuously losing - I have too - but I haven't got to a stage where my emotional attachment to the club is waning. Town are my team through good times and the bad. Its tough at the moment - fuckin' tough - but I'm not bailing out now. I didn't in 2003 and I won't now. UTT Me neither pal, in fact if there's anyone out there who has lost their "emotional attachment" who happens to have 3 tickets for Luton then Ill take them off ya UTT |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 22:14:50 GMT 1
What about the fans that wanted Wagner out in year one and two of the prem? They brought about Siewart! But then the fans who wanted Siewart out have brought about Hudson, so far. Are you actually suggesting the fans are responsible for the current dreadful state of affairs ? No I’m not saying that, although they defo have more impact than they used to, to good effect sometimes and sometimes not so. |
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Post by Htfc1987 on Aug 25, 2019 22:30:58 GMT 1
At least we have the cricket to cheer us up! For now at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 6:04:30 GMT 1
I'm an emotional wreck at the moment. Everything in my life is good at the moment but Town are effecting me badly. I'm counting down the days to the next match. Not because I'm enjoying it but because I'm desperate for us to get a win and things can go back to normal. Really hope we get a manager this week who can sort this shit out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 6:28:49 GMT 1
Bolton had their lowest ever home crowd today. The same team who had fans rallying round a few weeks ago, so glad that their team was still in existence. Two 5 0 defeats put paid to that support and a third defeat by the same score today won’t have helped. The moral of the story is that supporters will only take so much, and then they leave. In droves. See, it’s not just Town fans The fact they don't have season tickets probably has a lot to do with it. They are taking loads to away games which they can only get through the home club. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 6:32:05 GMT 1
Just think of those fans that stopped going when Powell was gaffer then moaned like fuck when they couldn't get a ticket for Old Trafford. "Fuck em" I thought. Similar now. On to Luton! I kept going under Powell because we sometimes played well, we sometimes won and sometimes we did both! Stop talking sense. |
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Post by captainblack on Aug 26, 2019 7:08:30 GMT 1
Its a depressing scene at Town at the moment , however it
may not take too long for a new manager to begin to turn
things around ,we do have some decent players at the club
and I am hopeful our new manager will get the best out of
our squad.
I have seen some pretty dour Town performances over the
years, but this continued run of bad form has everyone
just longing for just a win, I will not stop going, but
only hope the appointment of our new manager will stop the rot.
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Post by detox on Aug 26, 2019 8:25:03 GMT 1
Just looking back at 'last time'..1972...Ian Greaves had spent 4 years coaching at Town before getting the managers job in 1968 when Tom Johnstone left..2 years later we won the league two title and we spent 2 years in the top league, in 71/2 we were relegated for not scoring enough goals (27), then relegated again in 72/3, and finished 10th in league three in 73/4 when he was finally sacked..having spent 10 years at the club, 4 as coach. We were relegated to the 4th tier the year after finishing bottom of league 3, and so began 5 years of despair until Buxton came along.
The moral of the story is greaves was a good manager (he went on to take Bolton into league one and later got promotion with Mansfield )but lack of money meant lack of players,our best players all left.. and more notably lack of youth players who he liked to develop and bring through (Cherry and Worthington being eamples).
This is akin to keeping Wagner on,after relegation, and expecting/hoping he could work his magic, or even keeping Jan on..but the reality seems to be that without the players nobody can succeed, no matter what their credentials ..this is a depressing thought for us and the similarities with 1972 are stark. While we still havea few millions left Phil would be wise to think about the 70's and invest a bit to arrest this slide into oblivion..otherwise I feel history is going to repeat itself.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 26, 2019 8:47:53 GMT 1
Just looking back at 'last time'..1972...Ian Greaves had spent 4 years coaching at Town before getting the managers job in 1968 when Tom Johnstone left..2 years later we won the league two title and we spent 2 years in the top league, in 71/2 we were relegated for not scoring enough goals (27), then relegated again in 72/3, and finished 10th in league three in 73/4 when he was finally sacked..having spent 10 years at the club, 4 as coach. We were relegated to the 4th tier the year after finishing bottom of league 3, and so began 5 years of despair until Buxton came along. The moral of the story is greaves was a good manager (he went on to take Bolton into league one and later got promotion with Mansfield )but lack of money meant lack of players,our best players all left.. and more notably lack of youth players who he liked to develop and bring through (Cherry and Worthington being eamples). This is akin to keeping Wagner on,after relegation, and expecting/hoping he could work his magic, or even keeping Jan on..but the reality seems to be that without the players nobody can succeed, no matter what their credentials ..this is a depressing thought for us and the similarities with 1972 are stark. While we still havea few millions left Phil would be wise to think about the 70's and invest a bit to arrest this slide into oblivion..otherwise I feel history is going to repeat itself. The only problem is that Dean Hoyle has chosen to sell the club to someone who it appears hasn't got any money to spend on players, with it appears the parachute payments being used to fund his purchase and cover wages, because it appears Dean Hoyle wants all his money back. (Please cross out or add more "it appears" depending on your particular take on all of this.) |
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Post by detox on Aug 26, 2019 8:55:02 GMT 1
Just looking back at 'last time'..1972...Ian Greaves had spent 4 years coaching at Town before getting the managers job in 1968 when Tom Johnstone left..2 years later we won the league two title and we spent 2 years in the top league, in 71/2 we were relegated for not scoring enough goals (27), then relegated again in 72/3, and finished 10th in league three in 73/4 when he was finally sacked..having spent 10 years at the club, 4 as coach. We were relegated to the 4th tier the year after finishing bottom of league 3, and so began 5 years of despair until Buxton came along. The moral of the story is greaves was a good manager (he went on to take Bolton into league one and later got promotion with Mansfield )but lack of money meant lack of players,our best players all left.. and more notably lack of youth players who he liked to develop and bring through (Cherry and Worthington being eamples). This is akin to keeping Wagner on,after relegation, and expecting/hoping he could work his magic, or even keeping Jan on..but the reality seems to be that without the players nobody can succeed, no matter what their credentials ..this is a depressing thought for us and the similarities with 1972 are stark. While we still havea few millions left Phil would be wise to think about the 70's and invest a bit to arrest this slide into oblivion..otherwise I feel history is going to repeat itself. The only problem is that Dean Hoyle has chosen to sell the club to someone who it appears hasn't got any money to spend on players, with it appears the parachute payments being used to fund his purchase and cover wages, because it appears Dean Hoyle wants all his money back. (Please cross out or add more "it appears" depending on your particular take on all of this.) i'd be surprised if that is true tbh. Why would Dean, who still has 25% share in the club, deliberately bring it to it's knees by sucking out all the cash in one go ? I'm pretty confident that is not the case. Whether or not Phil has any money is another matter,and we'll just have to see how much he is able to fund the club over the coming months/years...but it's certainly not in his interest to run the club down and cut it's future income/profitability..all the while he has Dean sat opposite him in the boardroom knowing exactly what's going on. I fully anticipate that Dean will return at some point anyway, he's only 52, still has a wad of dosh and more importantly his health seems back on track now.. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 26, 2019 8:59:20 GMT 1
The only problem is that Dean Hoyle has chosen to sell the club to someone who it appears hasn't got any money to spend on players, with it appears the parachute payments being used to fund his purchase and cover wages, because it appears Dean Hoyle wants all his money back. (Please cross out or add more "it appears" depending on your particular take on all of this.) i'd be surprised if that is true tbh. Why would Dean, who still has 25% share in the club, deliberately bring it to it's knees by sucking out all the cash in one go ? I'm pretty confident that is not the case. Whether or not Phil has any money is another matter,and we'll just have to see how much he is able to fund the club over the coming months/years...but it's certainly not in his interest to run the club down and cut it's future income/profitability..all the while he has Dean sat opposite him in the boardroom knowing exactly what's going on. I fully anticipate that Dean will return at some point anyway, he's only 52, still has a wad of dosh and more importantly his health seems back on track now.. You may be right, and I hope you are. The relevant point in my post was the "it appears" bit, because so far you have to admit this is what "it appears" to look like. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 26, 2019 9:13:49 GMT 1
Its a depressing scene at Town at the moment , however it may not take too long for a new manager to begin to turn things around ,we do have some decent players at the club and I am hopeful our new manager will get the best out of our squad. I have seen some pretty dour Town performances over the years, but this continued run of bad form has everyone just longing for just a win, I will not stop going, but only hope the appointment of our new manager will stop the rot. Think the thing in the past, the final Buxton years, MacDonald, Hand, Ross you knew the club had very little money and expected mediocrity but now we shouldn't be in that position, think that's what's peeing everyone off. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 26, 2019 9:33:14 GMT 1
Shame that we really built up our fan base and season ticket holders with those premier league years and now we will probably lose at least half of them. All of them if we go straight through the league.
The premier League years are looking to be more damaging and detrimental at the moment.
I've always supported town and always will but I'm only a little pissed off with a poor game now, instead of it ruining my weekend (kind of nice tbh).
I've definitely detached emotionally, compared to previously. I done have a season ticket (can't go enough to make it worth it) but used to go whenever I had the chance. I hardly go now in all honesty.
Why? Because I expect a loss and to be pissed off. I would rather have a fun Saturday with the family.
Town isn't fun at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 9:49:56 GMT 1
Just looking back at 'last time'..1972...Ian Greaves had spent 4 years coaching at Town before getting the managers job in 1968 when Tom Johnstone left..2 years later we won the league two title and we spent 2 years in the top league, in 71/2 we were relegated for not scoring enough goals (27), then relegated again in 72/3, and finished 10th in league three in 73/4 when he was finally sacked..having spent 10 years at the club, 4 as coach. We were relegated to the 4th tier the year after finishing bottom of league 3, and so began 5 years of despair until Buxton came along. The moral of the story is greaves was a good manager (he went on to take Bolton into league one and later got promotion with Mansfield )but lack of money meant lack of players,our best players all left.. and more notably lack of youth players who he liked to develop and bring through (Cherry and Worthington being eamples). This is akin to keeping Wagner on,after relegation, and expecting/hoping he could work his magic, or even keeping Jan on.. but the reality seems to be that without the players nobody can succeed, no matter what their credentials ..this is a depressing thought for us and the similarities with 1972 are stark. While we still havea few millions left Phil would be wise to think about the 70's and invest a bit to arrest this slide into oblivion..otherwise I feel history is going to repeat itself. Exactly |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 26, 2019 10:06:32 GMT 1
Just looking back at 'last time'..1972...Ian Greaves had spent 4 years coaching at Town before getting the managers job in 1968 when Tom Johnstone left..2 years later we won the league two title and we spent 2 years in the top league, in 71/2 we were relegated for not scoring enough goals (27), then relegated again in 72/3, and finished 10th in league three in 73/4 when he was finally sacked..having spent 10 years at the club, 4 as coach. We were relegated to the 4th tier the year after finishing bottom of league 3, and so began 5 years of despair until Buxton came along. The moral of the story is greaves was a good manager (he went on to take Bolton into league one and later got promotion with Mansfield )but lack of money meant lack of players,our best players all left.. and more notably lack of youth players who he liked to develop and bring through (Cherry and Worthington being eamples). This is akin to keeping Wagner on,after relegation, and expecting/hoping he could work his magic, or even keeping Jan on.. but the reality seems to be that without the players nobody can succeed, no matter what their credentials ..this is a depressing thought for us and the similarities with 1972 are stark. While we still havea few millions left Phil would be wise to think about the 70's and invest a bit to arrest this slide into oblivion..otherwise I feel history is going to repeat itself. Exactly Seriously do believe the lack of interest in our players in the last window fucked over quite a bit of our plan for this season. It might well have left us with a number of starters who are still getting 'over" not being courted never mind wanted much? Fitness being quoted by an ex coach now in charge is just bollox, there was nothing wrong with the teams fitness just the concentration and the desire late on to do the basics. De ja vu. Phil was clearly more in the 'know' about the attitude of some of the players when he talked of 3 windows to sort it. To repeat, we cannot sell players for decent money if nobody wants them and we therefore cannot REPLACE players who have not left and we can't pay wages to new players, even Fred's if we are paying a shit load already. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Aug 26, 2019 10:11:29 GMT 1
I noticed on Saturday that the replica shirts have a yellow Sky Bet shield on the sleeve which carries the following logo - "When the fun stops stop."
Given that the fun pretty much stopped after the consecutive away draws at City and Chelsea it's lucky for the football club that so few have followed the advice, however the trickle will turn into a flood if things continue in this vein for much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 10:17:09 GMT 1
Personally I’ve been falling out of love with football for a long time. It’s a boring game these days. Organised teams with decent defences. There’s little room for genuine flair players more athletes these days some of whom really can’t even play the game. There’s nowhere to go either in the league system. Nothing to aim for. You may get to the top flight if you’ve got £50-£100M for players but you’ll need another £200M to survive once you get there. Soon if not already all the prem clubs will have billionaire owners. Other clubs won’t survive the wage and transfer inflation.
That season in the prem was so boring. About 5 results were in doubt before the game.
As a sport it’s lost it’s most vital attribute- unpredictability.
There really are so many better sports out there- cricket, rugby and NFL are vastly superior in every way. Better run, better supported, better games, better managed (not the FA or Premier league).
I personally think premier league is a crap product. 2-3 billionaire owners fighting over the title year after year as the other turn up to make up the numbers believing they’re on some special platform. No you’re just making up the numbers. Boring & pointless.
Like all capitalist systems it needs regulating. The game will continue to die in this country until there’s something done to make it a more level playing field.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 26, 2019 10:32:21 GMT 1
Like all capitalist systems it needs regulating. The game will continue to die in this country until there’s something done to make it a more level playing field. Oh dear, do you really want to add politics into the mix as well? And you do realise that socialism generally ends up with people eating their own pets. And queueing for toilet paper. OMG what have I started!! |
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Post by detox on Aug 26, 2019 10:36:20 GMT 1
Like all capitalist systems it needs regulating. The game will continue to die in this country until there’s something done to make it a more level playing field. Oh dear, do you really want to add politics into the mix as well? And you do realise that socialism generally ends up with people eating their own pets. And queueing for toilet paper. OMG what have I started!! and capitalism ends up with people eating....well bugger all..? (couldn't resist..sorry) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 11:12:19 GMT 1
I spent years being ultra pro Brit sports and kinda anti US sports but the Americans have got a lot right when it comes to NFL. Hell of a game and if you finish bottom you get a chance to sign the best young players around...
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Aug 26, 2019 11:43:52 GMT 1
I spent years being ultra pro Brit sports and kinda anti US sports but the Americans have got a lot right when it comes to NFL. Hell of a game and if you finish bottom you get a chance to sign the best young players around... Agree with almost all of your original post, however.... I went to the first NFL match at Wembley (2008? 2009?) and left halfway through the second quarter. Dull as dishwater. 15 seconds of "action" then a three-minute wait while they changed their entire teams - so it felt - and of course some obvious delays to the restart while they waited for the commercial break to play out. No thanks. |
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 26, 2019 12:27:21 GMT 1
I spent years being ultra pro Brit sports and kinda anti US sports but the Americans have got a lot right when it comes to NFL. Hell of a game and if you finish bottom you get a chance to sign the best young players around... Games developed around advertising; stop, start with ample time to throw in several TV adverts. Admittedly highlights are good. But I do draw the line at baseball - went to an Oakland A’s game in the early 90’s, must have been the time of moneyball but didn’t know that at the time - dull as dish water, left after the 7th inning. A home run or a spectacular catch the only highlights. Had good seats but even with better eyesight than I have now, I struggled to see the ball! My wife wasn’t too impressed either! But I accept that there are millions of fans that love the NFL and baseball. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 12:29:58 GMT 1
Rounders for men.......
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 26, 2019 13:56:28 GMT 1
The money 'awash' in getting to the promised land is only a benefit to the club if you don't spend vast sums on players and wages.
The money in the game is going into the pockets of the players their agents and the revenue.
So it comes in like a tsunami and within a few months the trickle left dribbles into the rest of the game and the roots.
The money being spent to reach this promised land is never recouped because it costs an absolute fortune to try and stay in the league and this daft idea that we should now be rolling in cash always either forgets or ignores just how much it costs, mistakes or not.
Had we survived again just how much would the wages bill and the fees to get better players have outstripped what was coming in? Because it would and unless you find a fuckwits with much more money than sense who will stand the difference the debt against the club grows.
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