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Post by crux on Jul 10, 2020 11:07:39 GMT 1
They didn't get off the charge, they were found guilty (after the EFL appealed) but inexplicably they avoided another points deduction and got away with a reprimand. Ironically, now Birmingham are doing their best to get relegated without a points deduction!
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 10, 2020 11:15:26 GMT 1
They’re such a pointless club
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 11:26:15 GMT 1
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 10, 2020 11:40:22 GMT 1
I couldn't wish a points deduction on a different club - Well, maybe one, but this is a fine second choice! Totally agree, think the arrogance of their fan base is surpassed by no other club, the promotion year was more or less perfection especially with the choice of missed penalty taker. I wouldn’t of wanted to do it in the final as their fan base would of been kicking off left right and centre all the way home. 😁
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 10, 2020 11:48:43 GMT 1
Penistoneterrier already rehearsing all his bantz on his Wednesday mates for when this happens
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 10, 2020 11:49:18 GMT 1
Posted this before, but it's well worth another shot!
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 10, 2020 13:40:04 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 10, 2020 13:45:49 GMT 1
Do the EFL have the cajones to hand them a ban this season? If not... why not? There seems to be a wall of silence on this matter, almost as if the EFL are waiting to see if the Wendies do enough to escape with the penalty before handing it out.Just like wigan should have got, the penalties should apply now. No point waiting just slap them with the points deduction and have done with it. I know Alan Nixon is a bit of a fucktard, but he does seem to have inside knowledge. This is exactly what he is saying. Further, it all gets quite messy with appeals if it is done before this season ends. I'm hoping that he is wrong. Would Wigan have redress if both decisions were made this season, but one points deduction was delayed until next? Doesn't sound very fair does it?
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Post by softboy on Jul 10, 2020 20:16:03 GMT 1
The EFL delayed Birmingham's point deduction last season till they were 14 points (I believe) about the relegation zone so once the 9 were taken off they still had a more than reasonable chance of staying up. The problem with Wednesday is that they have obviously been doing the same but Wednesday have been under performing on the pitch and the EFL have waited and waited and waited for them to do the same but it simply hasn't happened. I think it highly unlikely (particularly if its a big deduction) it will be done this season as it could put Wednesday's Championship status at risk.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 10, 2020 20:29:35 GMT 1
And just to add to the shitshow that is the EFL/Championship this season, Derby County's hearing regarding the legality of the sale of Pride Park starts on Monday with both sides vigorously defending their point of view.
Also seems that Henry Gabay, who lent Morris £81m to buy the stadium has been detained in France and is facing extradition to Germany to face charges in connection with an unrelated tax scandal.
You couldn't make it up.
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Post by Leporid on Jul 10, 2020 21:01:37 GMT 1
And just to add to the shitshow that is the EFL/Championship this season, Derby County's hearing regarding the legality of the sale of Pride Park starts on Monday with both sides vigorously defending their point of view. Also seems that Henry Gabay, who lent Morris £81m to buy the stadium has been detained in France and is facing extradition to Germany to face charges in connection with an unrelated tax scandal. You couldn't make it up. You could.
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Post by jonbrno on Jul 15, 2020 6:09:12 GMT 1
What's the betting this will now be announced as 6 points immediately, with a further 6 points suspended? Enough to take them down to 50 points but still 99% safe with two games to go. Really cannot see them taking 9-12 points at this late stage.
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Post by conman on Jul 15, 2020 6:54:23 GMT 1
What's the betting this will now be announced as 6 points immediately, with a further 6 points suspended? Enough to take them down to 50 points but still 99% safe with two games to go. Really cannot see them taking 9-12 points at this late stage. I think it will be the straight 12 point deduction, put em right in the shit that will. To be announced before the weekend according to radio Leeds.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 15, 2020 7:42:06 GMT 1
I can’t see anything happening in the next 7 days now - even the EFL couldn’t drop a team into probable relegation literally hours before the season ended
I expect any punishment to come next season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 8:01:05 GMT 1
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 15, 2020 8:15:34 GMT 1
So with appeals any actual deduction could happen long after the season has ended and teams relegated. If that meant SW went down one of the relegated teams would be reinstated but by then they would be looking at their squad and preparing for league 1. Farce. I think they will bottle it and apply it to start of next season. If we ended up finishing third from bottom would we have any legal case?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 15, 2020 8:17:24 GMT 1
What's the betting this will now be announced as 6 points immediately, with a further 6 points suspended? Enough to take them down to 50 points but still 99% safe with two games to go. Really cannot see them taking 9-12 points at this late stage. That's probably fair though isnt it? I don't like the Wendies but to take 12 points off a team and plunge them into relegation trouble with 2 games left when they were charged in November is just plain unfair.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 15, 2020 8:18:47 GMT 1
What's the betting this will now be announced as 6 points immediately, with a further 6 points suspended? Enough to take them down to 50 points but still 99% safe with two games to go. Really cannot see them taking 9-12 points at this late stage. That's probably fair though isnt it? I don't like the Wendies but to take 12 points off a team and plunge them into relegation trouble with 2 games left when they were charged in November is just plain unfair. Agree entirely but how does it take so long to sort. The EFL couldnt run an effective bath.
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Post by digs on Jul 15, 2020 8:19:39 GMT 1
What's the betting this will now be announced as 6 points immediately, with a further 6 points suspended? Enough to take them down to 50 points but still 99% safe with two games to go. Really cannot see them taking 9-12 points at this late stage. That's probably fair though isnt it? I don't like the Wendies but to take 12 points off a team and plunge them into relegation trouble with 2 games left when they were charged in November is just plain unfair. unfair? they should of behaved their sens in the first place
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 15, 2020 8:20:17 GMT 1
That's probably fair though isnt it? I don't like the Wendies but to take 12 points off a team and plunge them into relegation trouble with 2 games left when they were charged in November is just plain unfair. unfair? they should of behaved their sens in the first place Agreed but they should have been punished weeks ago.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 15, 2020 8:21:41 GMT 1
6 points nailed on....opt out.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 15, 2020 8:24:34 GMT 1
Thing is, the EFL had a good few weeks where they didn't have to worry about football, other than hatching a plan to bring it back.
That time could have been used to conclude all these cases before the re-start, but much like politics there's a lot of lobbying goes on at the higher levels.
Had points deductions been handed out prior to the re-start it would have put a different dynamic on the relegation games, influenced tactics and performance.
Maybe if these clubs have demonstrated skulduggery and not just "made mistakes", then the punishment should maybe be more punitive, a straight demotion to a lower league?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 15, 2020 8:35:01 GMT 1
I'm afraid the only outcome I can see is a castrated EFL mega fudge, with a clip around the ear for MASSIVE, and a meaningless or/and suspended points reduction. What they could do is send it back to their lawyers for verification or on an account of spelling mistakes in the document and sort it out next season.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 15, 2020 8:36:40 GMT 1
So with appeals any actual deduction could happen long after the season has ended and teams relegated. If that meant SW went down one of the relegated teams would be reinstated but by then they would be looking at their squad and preparing for league 1. Farce. I think they will bottle it and apply it to start of next season. If we ended up finishing third from bottom would we have any legal case? we'd have more of a legal case than wigan have.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 15, 2020 8:38:51 GMT 1
I’m predicting straight relegation for the Wendies.
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Post by Champers on Jul 15, 2020 9:09:16 GMT 1
As it stands I'm pretty convinced we will be relegated.
If Wednesday got a points deduction and went down instead of us I think I could potentially die laughing. It's a risk I'm happy to take.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 15, 2020 9:18:21 GMT 1
They can’t impose a points deduction now.
Wednesday have been playing out the season without any need to push themselves. Their performances would have been very different if they were in the bottom three.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 15, 2020 10:13:53 GMT 1
I'm afraid the only outcome I can see is a castrated EFL mega fudge, with a clip around the ear for MASSIVE, and a meaningless or/and suspended points reduction. What they could do is send it back to their lawyers for verification or on an account of spelling mistakes in the document and sort it out next season. This is what I think as well. The EFL have shown themselves to be toothless when it comes to punishing these clubs. By leaving it this late, they've made it virtually impossible to impose any sort of meaningful punishment this season. They'll either impose it from the start of next season, or any punishment imposed this season will be just enough to be ineffective - same as they did with Birmingham last year.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 15, 2020 10:15:27 GMT 1
Isn’t this case now with an independent panel therefore to them it isn’t an issue whether it drops them into relegation battle at this late date or not.If efl can see a conflict but if independent surely can just concentrate on the facts and base it on that? Could be wrong here as there is that much stuff of this nature going on currently can’t properly keep up.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2020 10:32:05 GMT 1
They can’t impose a points deduction now. Wednesday have been playing out the season without any need to push themselves. Their performances would have been very different if they were in the bottom three. Thats not really an argument though IMO. Firstly theyd have to confess to not having tried as much and secondly that they were somehow unaware of the possibility of a points deduction.. something theyd have known about since last year. The FA either make a stand against this kind of 'cooking the books' to get round FFP rules or they might as well just scrap it. Anything like 6 point penalty sets a precedence that would stand for future cases and we'd see a lot more of this kind of thing IMO.
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