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Post by Camel Grabber on Dec 15, 2019 16:18:48 GMT 1
Some people like to keep going on about the past and not see the positives. Keep moaning. It won't change anything. Please list the positives because I am a little stupid. Halfway through the season a former Prem team is just one win above relegation to the 3rd level. A staggeringly awful fall from grace. We just got a point by the skin of our teeth at a bankrupt club who are not only destined for relegation but are clearly one of the worst teams ever to grace this league. We don't score, we don't win, we don't dominate and we have zero players who will carve out a top level career or even be remembered in 10 years. Its not entertaining, its generally negative play, it is frankly hideous. 6 wins in 48....those numbers cannot be polished. Plenty of positives, management team with charisma, slowly getting a match day squad of people who will fight for the shirt, young academy players getting match day experience. Position isn't great, but who cares after the bad start. We won't go down so let's enjoy the rest of the season which will have more positives than negatives. Potentially an exciting transfer window coming up too.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 15, 2019 16:35:38 GMT 1
Pardon my French as well Oti but why don’t you take your flights and entourage of non Town supporting friends and fuck off and support someone else. Your posts are about as tedious as the run of games under Siewort. I just wont be told all is rosy in the garden. Its supposed to be entertainment...and there is very little. You blue-tints on here are like the old lady who denies her dog bit the postie. The fans have been shafted and just keep accepting it. My support is equal to yours but I cant lie. Its been awful too long and the players are to blame. Oti.....give these lads chance. Theyve taken a turd and polished it sufficiently that we arent relegated yet despite having nothing to work with and 1 point when they arrived. We need 7 or 8 out and 4 or 5 in which will start in jan and we can then hopefully start a climb to mid table. The form since their arrival is mid table so they deserve time to sort the mess they inherited. It might not be that entertaining yet.....yesterday was bloodg awful tbh but at least we look professional again.
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Post by sapphireblue on Dec 15, 2019 16:44:59 GMT 1
Does anybody really go to away games JUST for the entertainment within the 90mins. Isn't it all about the journey, the mates, the boozers and meeting different folk in them, the camaraderie, the laughs, the different town, the different people, the humour of the crowd, the singing, the pantomime villain in black, the post match beers and discussion and finally not having to go Christmas shopping. A good day out interrupted by a game of football.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 15, 2019 16:50:56 GMT 1
I just wont be told all is rosy in the garden. Its supposed to be entertainment...and there is very little. You blue-tints on here are like the old lady who denies her dog bit the postie. The fans have been shafted and just keep accepting it. My support is equal to yours but I cant lie. Its been awful too long and the players are to blame. Oti.....give these lads chance. Theyve taken a turd and polished it sufficiently that we arent relegated yet despite having nothing to work with and 1 point when they arrived. We need 7 or 8 out and 4 or 5 in which will start in jan and we can then hopefully start a climb to mid table. The form since their arrival is mid table so they deserve time to sort the mess they inherited. It might not be that entertaining yet.....yesterday was bloodg awful tbh but at least we look professional again. I can understand people being bored (I generally have been for a long time), but it's a fresh start, so why keep harping on about the past 2-3 years. How do you also keep harping on about how it's been for 2-3 years, yet in the next breath indicate you expect an even bigger turn around than we've seen in such a short timeframe. This is all with the backdrop that the Cowleys are moving up yet another division themselves.
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Post by hantstownexile on Dec 15, 2019 18:01:09 GMT 1
Does anybody really go to away games JUST for the entertainment within the 90mins. Isn't it all about the journey, the mates, the boozers and meeting different folk in them, the camaraderie, the laughs, the different town, the different people, the humour of the crowd, the singing, the pantomime villain in black, the post match beers and discussion and finally not having to go Christmas shopping. A good day out interrupted by a game of football. I really enjoyed this Saturday. Some cracking pubs and a lovely meat pie, chips,mushy peas and gravy after the evening session. 5 hour drive up mind and trains over and back. Gets me back up north and away from the bedwetters down here. I love the whole experience of following Town. I know Preston was a struggle but hey ho, it`s still a weekend away and meeting up with pals. A nice home game next weekend right up my street. I`m looking forward to it already. I thought Windass played well yesterday. As for Wigan , I actually thought they were a decent side and played well. A mile better than Charlton and Luton. TTID
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Post by pikeylewis on Dec 15, 2019 18:35:41 GMT 1
Quite possibly the worst sub performance I’ve ever seen from Mounie. First 6/7 times he got the ball he gave away a foul. That's cos the ref was a soft got! Things dis improve when Mounie came on. Fine margins! - UTT. They improved and I’d agree Mounie gets a rough time from referees generally but he shows no capability of adjusting his game whatsoever
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 20:23:04 GMT 1
Pardon my French as well Oti but why don’t you take your flights and entourage of non Town supporting friends and fuck off and support someone else. Your posts are about as tedious as the run of games under Siewort. I just wont be told all is rosy in the garden. Its supposed to be entertainment...and there is very little. You blue-tints on here are like the old lady who denies her dog bit the postie. The fans have been shafted and just keep accepting it. My support is equal to yours but I cant lie. Its been awful too long and the players are to blame. And what do you expect? The new management team have identified the players that don’t want to be part of what the club is doing, so there’s a limited pool to build a team from, especially with all the injury and illness. They’ve had NO transfer windows. January is a tricky window. As fans we’ve just got to crack on with things and hope fewer mistakes are made in the next couple of transfers windows, but to be honest your attitude at the moment sounds like the kind of defeatist lily livered bleating that those player’s hamstringing the club with their behaviour are demonstrating, Who gives a flying fuck that we only won x games in the last 100 or were one of the worst ever Premier League teams, that’s in the past, it can’t be changed, and we have a different coaching set up and a different owner now. As fans can’t we give them a chance to make some mistakes before we start whining on blaming them for the mistakes of people no longer at the club?? What’s happened so far, is we’ve signed a Premier League winning player at full back and a lad up front who causes the whole team to level up a notch when he’s playing, such is his determination, fight and will to win. It’s not rosy in the garden and I’m afraid entertainment takes second fiddle where we are....it’s far more important that the club picks up points by whatever means it can, than it wastes time going gung ho to entertain someone who couldn’t even get himself organised enough to get there for kick off when 2000 other folk managed it just fine. We go out to entertain and we lose is the reality of the players that we have available to play in the situation we’re in. Grow up and get behind them...these lads are under enough pressure at it is without us piling more on, some of our fans were an embarrassment yesterday.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2019 20:34:52 GMT 1
So much bollocks in this post but I’ll just point out we beat the team who are currently 4th away from home. That would be Brentford who clearly should have won....OK 4th but just ne win above 11th....lets not get carried away...stopped clocks and all that. We will survive, we will win a few games but we wont shine or scare anyone. I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky.
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Post by griffa on Dec 15, 2019 20:36:14 GMT 1
Went today - my thoughts - for what they're worth : Grabara had little to do, but gifted them their goal with an absolute howler Back 4 - Simpson looked a bit rusty, Stankovic and Schindler both had good games, not a Flo fan but didn't let anybody down today "Midfield" - Hogg never stopped working and led by example, Bacuna strolled round as though he owned the place, occasionally took the whole Wigan team on then never tried to get the ball back when he inevitably lost it- a poor game, Chalobah - I've defended him in the past but slow in thought and deed - the game totally passed him by. May be rusty but didn't look bothered most of the match. "Forwards - Koroma kept trying,mainly used in defence (at which he tried manfully but struggled), Kachunga - two defensive tackles in the second half and I think that,literally, that's all he contributed all afternoon other than his back passes. Grant - next to no service but beautiful trademark goal - faced by two defenders, made space, no backlift,top corner. We'd be lost without him. At least Grant always tries to do something positive every time he gets the ball. Chalobah and Kachunga created absolutely nothing.Mounie - his presence forced Wigan back a bit - before he came on the ball kept coming straight back as Grant had no support. Good header cleared off the line. A flat performance that neither team deserved to win. Roll on January. I agree apart from the Bacuna bit, he wasn't perfect but some of his turns and runs were sublime, how that fucker got away with only a yellow on him in the 2nd half was incredible Bacuna is amazingly talented, if he could only learn to, get his head up & pass to his team mates! - UTT/
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 15, 2019 21:35:13 GMT 1
Just seen the extended highlights of Wigan game, there's a penalty shout for us, (for hand ball) but ref gives the free kick to them. God knows what for, their player who fell over was about 3 yds away from Mounie?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 21:39:27 GMT 1
I just wont be told all is rosy in the garden. Its supposed to be entertainment...and there is very little. You blue-tints on here are like the old lady who denies her dog bit the postie. The fans have been shafted and just keep accepting it. My support is equal to yours but I cant lie. Its been awful too long and the players are to blame. Oti.....give these lads chance. Theyve taken a turd and polished it sufficiently that we arent relegated yet despite having nothing to work with and 1 point when they arrived. We need 7 or 8 out and 4 or 5 in which will start in jan and we can then hopefully start a climb to mid table. The form since their arrival is mid table so they deserve time to sort the mess they inherited. It might not be that entertaining yet.....yesterday was bloodg awful tbh but at least we look professional again. I don't have a choice Shawsie. Fingers crossed eh? Had a bad day at the game yesterday.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 21:41:26 GMT 1
I just wont be told all is rosy in the garden. Its supposed to be entertainment...and there is very little. You blue-tints on here are like the old lady who denies her dog bit the postie. The fans have been shafted and just keep accepting it. My support is equal to yours but I cant lie. Its been awful too long and the players are to blame. And what do you expect? The new management team have identified the players that don’t want to be part of what the club is doing, so there’s a limited pool to build a team from, especially with all the injury and illness. They’ve had NO transfer windows. January is a tricky window. As fans we’ve just got to crack on with things and hope fewer mistakes are made in the next couple of transfers windows, but to be honest your attitude at the moment sounds like the kind of defeatist lily livered bleating that those player’s hamstringing the club with their behaviour are demonstrating, Who gives a flying fuck that we only won x games in the last 100 or were one of the worst ever Premier League teams, that’s in the past, it can’t be changed, and we have a different coaching set up and a different owner now. As fans can’t we give them a chance to make some mistakes before we start whining on blaming them for the mistakes of people no longer at the club?? What’s happened so far, is we’ve signed a Premier League winning player at full back and a lad up front who causes the whole team to level up a notch when he’s playing, such is his determination, fight and will to win. It’s not rosy in the garden and I’m afraid entertainment takes second fiddle where we are....it’s far more important that the club picks up points by whatever means it can, than it wastes time going gung ho to entertain someone who couldn’t even get himself organised enough to get there for kick off when 2000 other folk managed it just fine. We go out to entertain and we lose is the reality of the players that we have available to play in the situation we’re in. Grow up and get behind them...these lads are under enough pressure at it is without us piling more on, some of our fans were an embarrassment yesterday. I did get behind them....train, hotel, travel....all whilst ill. Am I not allowed a voice?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 21:44:11 GMT 1
That would be Brentford who clearly should have won....OK 4th but just ne win above 11th....lets not get carried away...stopped clocks and all that. We will survive, we will win a few games but we wont shine or scare anyone. I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky. How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 15, 2019 21:52:32 GMT 1
I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky. How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face. 6 years that included promotion to and staying in, the premier league. Wow, you are a hard man to please.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 15, 2019 21:53:12 GMT 1
I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky. How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face. We haven't been the big fish in a little pond since the Pilks and Roberts side, plus we dominated far more games in Wagner's promotion season regardless.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 15, 2019 22:04:00 GMT 1
I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky. How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face. Ffs oti you really are talking shite tonight
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Post by Melc on Dec 15, 2019 22:07:19 GMT 1
So you ask me to list the positives and then spout a load more negatives? We have acted on the bad situation and employed a management team that is getting better results. Almost instantly. The management team are sorting the squad out, and we know the plan is that won't happen overnight. 3 windows. The stated aim for this season is to stay up. That has been said repeatedly. That is now much more likely than it was after 7 games into the season. So, the numbers can be polished. Our recent results are infinitely better than the 80% that went before. It may not be the most entertaining, but we are doing what needs to be done. Into the bargain, our shot count has gone up, our goals scored has gone up, and the defence is generally far more resilient. I'm pretty sure that no-one involved in the club over the past couple of years has done any damage wilfully. Given we had not occupied the rarified air of the top tier for nearly 50 years, then it is understandable that a lot involved would have had to learn as they were going. No-one has the ability to go back in time and change any of that. But it can be learned from. I'm sure it would be very different if we ever had that opportunity again. At the moment we have the confluence of a lot of injuries and a few bad eggs who the management team (and I agree with this) won't have anywhere near the squad due to their negative influence. Given the past cannot be changed, what do you realistically expect? Strong management team with the right ethos and skills? Done. New Players? January, summer, next January. Get rid of the crap we signed? Happening. A fit, healthy, functioning chairman? Done. New Chief exec? Happening soon. Better results? In case you hadn't noticed, we've been getting them. But hey, it's good to have a good moan and undermine a hard-working, intelligent, ambitious management team by your negativity surrounding things that are either a) historic, or b) will take time to change. You seem to get more than your fair share of attention on here, and it's disappointing that some fans might read your constantly negative comments and start to look at things in the same way. If you don't like it, don't involve yourself......and I'd hazard a guess the Cowleys wouldn't want you anywhere near the stands, given your attitude. We can all moan occasionally in frustration, but you're different - it's any excuse and it's constant. And it's tedious. 1. Better results? Which ones? Where? Putting a pet tortoise in charge after Siewart would have improved results. Randomness at play Stanny. I don't really see better results. I certainly don't see improved performances or skill. Two wins and a draw against the bottom 3 and a 3-0 win v Hull who could actually have won the game. Piss poor. As soon as we play anyone at all its over. If one win in 7 with an injury time goal v the worst team in the league is improvement I repeat...you are easily pleased. 2. I support the Cowleys but "strong management team" still remains to be seen. Hope you are right but I see odd substitutions, negative formations, players out of position, poor set plays. All I have seen so far is a little more organisation and a few of the younger lads grabbing a chance. Did not see anyone busting a gut for the Cowleys yesterday...Wigan fought harder and that's worrying. 3. Chairman? Always had big boots to follow but the silence is deafening. Still no full explanation about the finances. How is it a positive? 4. Let me tell you what is tedious...78 goals in 2 years and 8 months...107 matches. Surely the lowest ever recorded by a top level team in such a period. Also tedious is setting up to draw and negate. How about some entertainment? Also tedious was going to 35 matches straight without seeing a win, doubly tedious when you factor in i took two flights for about 30 of them. I cheered them on yesterday but its so hard when you waste a full day, spend £150, freeze your nads off and then have to watch bang-average pampered footballers take home £50k a week for, pardon my French, fuck all! I see the attention seeker is at it again!
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2019 22:12:29 GMT 1
I sometimes wonder why you support Town mate. I mean where is the enjoyment in it for you? If we achieve anything, be it a win or a promotion... we were just lucky.. didn't deserve it because we're actually crap. If we draw a game.. we were lucky to get a point.. should have lost because we are crap. If we lose, well that ones easy.. its because we are REALLY crap. Your enjoyment seems to be made up entirely of convincing yourself we are a constant blend of shit and lucky. How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face. 6 years of largely dross and defeat?? Thats an interesting statement, baring in mind those 6 years include the highest league placings and best achievements weve had in almost 50 years. Youre kind of proving my point Oti. Its ACTUALLY been a very successful period for the club.. way better than anything we were used to. But you boil that down to it being a period of dross and defeat.?? Like i say, why bother? How is pretending to yourself that something you supposedly love is really shit when it obviously isn't, actually enjoyable? Ive always thought some people are only happy when theyre unhappy. They revel in it. Lap up the misery and if the misery isn;t there, they'll just imagine it is for themselves. Youre sounding very much like that.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 15, 2019 22:26:56 GMT 1
How many convincing performances where we totally dominated since the Clark team of Pilks and Roberts....5 or 6? 6 years of largely dross and defeats Slapps. The enjoyment is rarely on the pitch. Not often do they leave me with a smile on my face. 6 years of largely dross and defeat?? Thats an interesting statement, baring in mind those 6 years include the highest league placings and best achievements weve had in almost 50 years. Youre kind of proving my point Oti. Its ACTUALLY been a very successful period for the club.. way better than anything we were used to. But you boil that down to it being a period of dross and defeat.?? Like i say, why bother? How is pretending to yourself that something you supposedly love is really shit when it obviously isn't, actually enjoyable? Ive always thought some people are only happy when theyre unhappy. They revel in it. Lap up the misery and if the misery isn;t there, they'll just imagine it is for themselves. Youre sounding very much like that. I apologise...I will graciously accept those 22 wins in the last 120 competitive games and move on. I will ignore the fact that 10 of them were against bottom 3 teams (and more against shite teams in the cup) and hold dear the lucky win v Man Utd. Next match I will be in full regalia...blue and white head to foot with my rattle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 22:38:27 GMT 1
And what do you expect? The new management team have identified the players that don’t want to be part of what the club is doing, so there’s a limited pool to build a team from, especially with all the injury and illness. They’ve had NO transfer windows. January is a tricky window. As fans we’ve just got to crack on with things and hope fewer mistakes are made in the next couple of transfers windows, but to be honest your attitude at the moment sounds like the kind of defeatist lily livered bleating that those player’s hamstringing the club with their behaviour are demonstrating, Who gives a flying fuck that we only won x games in the last 100 or were one of the worst ever Premier League teams, that’s in the past, it can’t be changed, and we have a different coaching set up and a different owner now. As fans can’t we give them a chance to make some mistakes before we start whining on blaming them for the mistakes of people no longer at the club?? What’s happened so far, is we’ve signed a Premier League winning player at full back and a lad up front who causes the whole team to level up a notch when he’s playing, such is his determination, fight and will to win. It’s not rosy in the garden and I’m afraid entertainment takes second fiddle where we are....it’s far more important that the club picks up points by whatever means it can, than it wastes time going gung ho to entertain someone who couldn’t even get himself organised enough to get there for kick off when 2000 other folk managed it just fine. We go out to entertain and we lose is the reality of the players that we have available to play in the situation we’re in. Grow up and get behind them...these lads are under enough pressure at it is without us piling more on, some of our fans were an embarrassment yesterday. I did get behind them....train, hotel, travel....all whilst ill. Am I not allowed a voice? Of course you’re allowed a voice. But why insist on using that voice to whine and moan about historic circumstances that nobody can do anything about and that the people who presided over are now largely out of the picture. We all know we were rubbish the last 18months+ and some poor decisions were made. Tell us what you see here and now and how things are progressing under a new hierarchy that in the medium term has its hands tied and yet is making very positive strides in the right direction. Have they made any wrong choices so far, on or off the field??
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 15, 2019 23:00:51 GMT 1
Sorry to butt in here, I read Otium’s posts with a mix of amusement, incredulity, disdain, dismay, and occasionally respect and agreement.......I suspect like a lot of other posters on here. However, I’ve read his posts on this thread with a bit of unease - we know he’s currently unwell, and it seems yesterday in Wigan was stressful for him. It’s probably not my place to say anything, but Oti, for the sake of your own health shouldn’t you maybe take a rest from following Town for a while?
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 16, 2019 0:47:56 GMT 1
6 years of largely dross and defeat?? Thats an interesting statement, baring in mind those 6 years include the highest league placings and best achievements weve had in almost 50 years. Youre kind of proving my point Oti. Its ACTUALLY been a very successful period for the club.. way better than anything we were used to. But you boil that down to it being a period of dross and defeat.?? Like i say, why bother? How is pretending to yourself that something you supposedly love is really shit when it obviously isn't, actually enjoyable? Ive always thought some people are only happy when theyre unhappy. They revel in it. Lap up the misery and if the misery isn;t there, they'll just imagine it is for themselves. Youre sounding very much like that. I apologise...I will graciously accept those 22 wins in the last 120 competitive games and move on. I will ignore the fact that 10 of them were against bottom 3 teams (and more against shite teams in the cup) and hold dear the lucky win v Man Utd. Next match I will be in full regalia...blue and white head to foot with my rattle. You don;t have to apologies to me. I don;t care whether you enjoy it or not! But have you got no appreciation of the opponents we were playing? The standard? Can you not acknowledge the achievement of even getting to that level and competing well enough that we actually stayed there? If we'd been winning regularly in L1 all this time instead of the 'dross and defeat' years of getting to and playing in the prem, then you wouldn;t be enjoying the successes.. you'd be moaning that we're shit because we're only winning in L1. I just struggle to understand why anyone would do something that they are so determined to feel miserable about.
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Post by frankslegs on Dec 16, 2019 9:04:51 GMT 1
Whilst all this disagreement wizzes around this website I would just like to make one point-Grant scored one of the greatest goals in recent years-absolutely from nothing-Jordan was good but he couldn’t get goals like that.An amazing talent who will just get better.
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Post by Mav on Dec 16, 2019 10:10:28 GMT 1
Blimey Frank!! You been on the sauce this morning?
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6 years of largely dross and defeat?? Thats an interesting statement, baring in mind those 6 years include the highest league placings and best achievements weve had in almost 50 years. Youre kind of proving my point Oti. Its ACTUALLY been a very successful period for the club.. way better than anything we were used to. But you boil that down to it being a period of dross and defeat.?? Like i say, why bother? How is pretending to yourself that something you supposedly love is really shit when it obviously isn't, actually enjoyable? Ive always thought some people are only happy when theyre unhappy. They revel in it. Lap up the misery and if the misery isn;t there, they'll just imagine it is for themselves. Youre sounding very much like that. I apologise...I will graciously accept those 22 wins in the last 120 competitive games and move on. I will ignore the fact that 10 of them were against bottom 3 teams (and more against shite teams in the cup) and hold dear the lucky win v Man Utd. Next match I will be in full regalia...blue and white head to foot with my rattle. 120 matches takes us back to the Bristol City away game (0-4) in our promotion season. We have won 23 of the 120 games since then, although that could be classed as 25 if you count the penalty shoot out wins against Wednesday and Reading. Struggling to find the 10 wins against bottom 3 teams. I can only find 5 of those 23 wins that were against teams that finished bottom 3 (or are currently bottom 3 this season) 2 wins against Stoke and Barnsley this season (Wigan the other team in the bottom 3) 1 win against Fulham last season (we didn't beat Cardiff, only others wins came against Wolves who finished 7th) 2 wins against WBA in the 17/18 season (we didn't beat Swansea or Stoke) In 2016/17 We did get wins against Rotherham, Blackburn and Wigan, the bottom 3 that season. However those wins came prior to your 120 game cut off so it is just 5 wins against bottom 3 teams in that period, plus 3 cup wins against lower league opponents (or s**te as you put it)
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Post by CaptainHart on Dec 16, 2019 11:14:14 GMT 1
So, what do you call a fact that's not a fact?
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 16, 2019 11:46:49 GMT 1
So, what do you call a fact that's not a fact? An 'Oti-Fact'
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 16, 2019 14:23:56 GMT 1
I apologise...I will graciously accept those 22 wins in the last 120 competitive games and move on. I will ignore the fact that 10 of them were against bottom 3 teams (and more against shite teams in the cup) and hold dear the lucky win v Man Utd. Next match I will be in full regalia...blue and white head to foot with my rattle. 120 matches takes us back to the Bristol City away game (0-4) in our promotion season. We have won 23 of the 120 games since then, although that could be classed as 25 if you count the penalty shoot out wins against Wednesday and Reading. Struggling to find the 10 wins against bottom 3 teams. I can only find 5 of those 23 wins that were against teams that finished bottom 3 (or are currently bottom 3 this season) 2 wins against Stoke and Barnsley this season (Wigan the other team in the bottom 3) 1 win against Fulham last season (we didn't beat Cardiff, only others wins came against Wolves who finished 7th) 2 wins against WBA in the 17/18 season (we didn't beat Swansea or Stoke) In 2016/17 We did get wins against Rotherham, Blackburn and Wigan, the bottom 3 that season. However those wins came prior to your 120 game cut off so it is just 5 wins against bottom 3 teams in that period, plus 3 cup wins against lower league opponents (or s**te as you put it) Try bottom 3 when they were in the bottom 3. Try including cup matches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 15:25:26 GMT 1
120 matches takes us back to the Bristol City away game (0-4) in our promotion season. We have won 23 of the 120 games since then, although that could be classed as 25 if you count the penalty shoot out wins against Wednesday and Reading. Struggling to find the 10 wins against bottom 3 teams. I can only find 5 of those 23 wins that were against teams that finished bottom 3 (or are currently bottom 3 this season) 2 wins against Stoke and Barnsley this season (Wigan the other team in the bottom 3) 1 win against Fulham last season (we didn't beat Cardiff, only others wins came against Wolves who finished 7th) 2 wins against WBA in the 17/18 season (we didn't beat Swansea or Stoke) In 2016/17 We did get wins against Rotherham, Blackburn and Wigan, the bottom 3 that season. However those wins came prior to your 120 game cut off so it is just 5 wins against bottom 3 teams in that period, plus 3 cup wins against lower league opponents (or s**te as you put it) Try bottom 3 when they were in the bottom 3. Try including cup matches. Ok no probs. I have listed the 23 wins below. Only 4 of those came against teams who were occupying a bottom 3 position at the time. The list below includes at the end what position the opponents were in when we played them. Bolded lines are those that were against a bottom 3 side. Date,Opponent,Competition,Score,Opp Position 05/04/2017,Norwich City,Sky Bet Championship,3-0,10th 14/04/2017,Preston North End,Sky Bet Championship,3-2,9th 25/04/2017,Wolverhampton Wanderers,Sky Bet Championship,1-0,15th 12/08/2017,Crystal Palace,Premier League,3-0,N/A 20/08/2017,Newcastle United,Premier League,1-0,16th 23/08/2017,Rotherham United,Carabao Cup,2-1,N/A 21/10/2017,Manchester United,Premier League,2-1,2nd 04/11/2017,West Bromwich Albion,Premier League,1-0,15th 09/12/2017,Brighton & Hove Albion,Premier League,2-0,12th 16/12/2017,Watford,Premier League,4-1,9th 06/01/2018,Bolton Wanderers,The Emirates FA Cup,2-1,N/A 06/02/2018,Birmingham City,The Emirates FA Cup,4-1,N/A 11/02/2018,AFC Bournemouth,Premier League,4-1,10th 24/02/2018,West Bromwich Albion,Premier League,2-1,20th14/04/2018,Watford,Premier League,1-0,12th 05/11/2018,Fulham,Premier League,1-0,19th25/11/2018,Wolverhampton Wanderers,Premier League,2-0,11th 26/02/2019,Wolverhampton Wanderers,Premier League,1-0,8th 01/10/2019,Stoke City,Sky Bet Championship,1-0,24th05/10/2019,Hull City,Sky Bet Championship,3-0,14th 26/10/2019,Barnsley,Sky Bet Championship,2-1,23rd02/11/2019,Brentford,Sky Bet Championship,1-0,12th 10/12/2019,Charlton Athletic,Sky Bet Championship,1-0,17th
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 16, 2019 15:59:29 GMT 1
So, what do you call a fact that's not a fact? Don’t you know we’re now in the era of ‘alternative facts’ or the ‘post-truth era’? 😂
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