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Post by herefordaway on Jan 1, 2020 21:33:15 GMT 1
Ive probably been watching town too long. My first thought after we went 2-1 up was 'we could lose this 2-3'. Doesn't everyone think that?
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 1, 2020 21:34:09 GMT 1
Thing is, Stoke were shit. But we decided not to even bother playing today. Hilarious to concede 5 to them. They were not shit. They were strong, fast and clinical in the final third. They fouled aplenty but if the ref lets you then you carry on. We were just very poor. The worry is that someone decided we could be bullied. We need more solid senior pros to see us through this season. Just going to be a tough run.
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Post by herefordaway on Jan 1, 2020 21:37:30 GMT 1
I didn't think Stoke were one of the better teams I've seen however they only needed to turn up to win today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:42:32 GMT 1
I’m blaming you mate. All that over confidence I was taking the piss out of this morning 😂 😂 That's all gone now after that debacle. Well I did say..... Let's hope that lasts out for the rest of the day..
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2020 22:14:18 GMT 1
Thing is, Stoke were shit. But we decided not to even bother playing today. Hilarious to concede 5 to them. They were not shit. They were strong, fast and clinical in the final third. They fouled aplenty but if the ref lets you then you carry on. We were just very poor. The worry is that someone decided we could be bullied. We need more solid senior pros to see us through this season. Just going to be a tough run. Spot on ! We couldnt match them, They have lots of top players tbh.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 1, 2020 22:21:01 GMT 1
Someone may correct me on this, but I'm sure the last time we shipped 5 at home in this division, the season following that wasn't too bad... What relevance does that to have anything?
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jan 1, 2020 22:32:16 GMT 1
Nobody died. Shit happens. Move on. Forgot about it as soon as I left the ground
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jan 1, 2020 22:36:11 GMT 1
Nobody died. Shit happens. Move on. Forgot about it as soon as I left the groundI don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 1, 2020 23:07:48 GMT 1
Yet one of our hardest workers gets dogs abuse. Funny how few 2nd balls we picked up today, and how exposed down our flanks we were, without him playing. I presume you are talking about kachunga. How anyone can criticize the guy who was our top scorer when we got promoted to the pl is beyond me. Even if he was totally useless now, which he isnt, I'd still let him off. He was part if the team that out the club on the map for the first time in a generation. Bizarre weak thinking to me. Wrong. He was not great when we got promoted. Not had 2 good games in 2.5 years. A complete lightweight. Not really a striker, not really a winger, not really a playmaker. Never looks up, no pace, cant beat a man, could not score in a brothel. Cant head it, cant take dead balls. Really do not see his influence.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 1, 2020 23:16:24 GMT 1
Ive probably been watching town too long. My first thought after we went 2-1 up was 'we could lose this 2-3'. My first thought exactly. I banged £100 on Stoke at 12/1 and as I pressed the button the bookie suspended. Doubly annoying. We were really shit at Wigan, we were worse at Boro, sounds like today was worse still. A mate said the other day "we have promotion form"!! Delusional. Its now a case of pure survival. Fallen very far from just a year ago. This is a mid-table Div 1 team in all but name.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 1, 2020 23:17:05 GMT 1
Nobody died. Shit happens. Move on. Forgot about it as soon as I left the groundI don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us? Disagree MT, it’s a game, something we do for pleasure in our leisure time. And after nigh on 50 years watching my team I’ve pretty much seen it all. I can enjoy the wins and successes and not give a crap about the rest. People probably did die today you know but thankfully not at the game.
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Post by mrg on Jan 1, 2020 23:38:59 GMT 1
I presume you are talking about kachunga. How anyone can criticize the guy who was our top scorer when we got promoted to the pl is beyond me. Even if he was totally useless now, which he isnt, I'd still let him off. He was part if the team that out the club on the map for the first time in a generation. Bizarre weak thinking to me. Wrong. He was not great when we got promoted. Not had 2 good games in 2.5 years. A complete lightweight. Not really a striker, not really a winger, not really a playmaker. Never looks up, no pace, cant beat a man, could not score in a brothel. Cant head it, cant take dead balls. Really do not see his influence. Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 1, 2020 23:49:09 GMT 1
I don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us? Disagree MT, it’s a game, something we do for pleasure in our leisure time. And after nigh on 50 years watching my team I’ve pretty much seen it all. I can enjoy the wins and successes and not give a crap about the rest. People probably did die today you know but thankfully not at the game. If I seriously do that for pleasure then I need certifying!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 2, 2020 1:39:05 GMT 1
They played us??? We played for about 10 minutes at the start of the second half. I'd look useful against us today, I am big enough to bully us and I have a pair, my footballing skills would not have been needed. Stoke are bottom 5/6 with us , difference today was caring and physicality. I cannot factor in a total lack of bollox when looking at the relative seasons and positions of the two teams before the match? Clearly you think you can, very little football played today, we lost a brawl. I’ll tell you what I can factor in... a careful analysis of the team we are playing over the last 8 games or so. Anyone doing any research would know that their quality of play over the last couple of months has been way in excess of their points gained or league position. As for not much football on show, I thought they played some very decent stuff - some of the finishing in the second half was seriously classy even if it often followed some basic errors from us. Compare Tyreese Campbell with Karlan Grant - who looks the premier league quality player? No we gave them goals and abjectyly failed to take on scoring 2 goals in a couple of minutes against a side mo better or worse in attack or defense than ourselves.. Today was not about the last 8 games or anything as complicated as that, ffs its football not brain surgery, they wanted it more and we did nothing but still went in front against a poor side without taking full advantage. Poor teams, poor game just won/lost by desire not talent.
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Post by captainblack on Jan 2, 2020 7:44:15 GMT 1
Good memories of Stoke matches. Iain Dunn’s rocket that got wedged in the stantion when they were flying high with Mark Stein up too was a great Leeds Road night. Mark Prudoe missing his kick for a wonderful own goal. Did he make another howler the season after too? Barnes scores a beauty at their place under Warnock. Dalton from the half way line to get the great escape ball rolling in 96ish. Marvellous stuff. I am trying to cheer myself up after yesterdays horror show, to answer your question on Prudoe yes he made a complete howler the season afterwards which was amusing. Before Prudoe's first mistake, Stoke fans were bowing down with arms stretched out singing "Prudoe" , in the fixture the following season Town fans copied the bowing routine while singing "Prudoe", amusingly Prudoe did not let the Town fans down , and made another "balls up" .
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 2, 2020 7:47:52 GMT 1
Wrong. He was not great when we got promoted. Not had 2 good games in 2.5 years. A complete lightweight. Not really a striker, not really a winger, not really a playmaker. Never looks up, no pace, cant beat a man, could not score in a brothel. Cant head it, cant take dead balls. Really do not see his influence. Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view. When challenged about his continued inclusion recently Cowley said "but he gives 100%". Thing is... so would I. Simple fact is he has 2 goals in 60 odd games since we signed him, even worse he creates virtually zero chances. So he got 12 in a Championship team that got promoted.....50 matches and well done but not amazing stats. I would play my sister before Trev so that's no argument. All I know is his return is a goal every 5 games in the German lower leagues and that's not good enough for a striker. The last time I saw him have a really good game was 2.5 seasons ago.....had it been 5 matches I would accept is but not 65.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jan 2, 2020 7:57:45 GMT 1
Nobody died. Shit happens. Move on. Forgot about it as soon as I left the groundI don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us? I was saying to my mate after the win on Sunday how defeats are easily forgotten, but a win can give a warmth for a while. One of my guiding principles is to never get annoyed over things about which you have no influence. Wasted energy
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Post by rastrick32 on Jan 2, 2020 8:15:20 GMT 1
I don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us? I was saying to my mate after the win on Sunday how defeats are easily forgotten, but a win can give a warmth for a while. One of my guiding principles is to never get annoyed over things about which you have no influence. Wasted energy Are you the Dalai Lama? 😄
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jan 2, 2020 9:28:22 GMT 1
I don't believe that for a single second. No self-respecting fan could possibly have that attitude. Surely you must be hurting like the rest of us? Disagree MT, it’s a game, something we do for pleasure in our leisure time. And after nigh on 50 years watching my team I’ve pretty much seen it all. I can enjoy the wins and successes and not give a crap about the rest. People probably did die today you know but thankfully not at the game. I know nobody died but it was still a complete bloody embarrassment. Like you I've been following Town for 50 years and I've got used to taking the rough with the smooth but the thing I will never accept is lack of effort. Some of these players are paid an absolute fortune compared to heroes from years gone by who would die for the cause. They should hang their heads in shame after that shambles.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jan 2, 2020 9:33:56 GMT 1
Wrong. He was not great when we got promoted. Not had 2 good games in 2.5 years. A complete lightweight. Not really a striker, not really a winger, not really a playmaker. Never looks up, no pace, cant beat a man, could not score in a brothel. Cant head it, cant take dead balls. Really do not see his influence. Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view. I'd play myself instead of fecking Chalobah. Worst loan signing for years.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 2, 2020 9:40:45 GMT 1
Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view. When challenged about his continued inclusion recently Cowley said "but he gives 100%". Thing is... so would I. Simple fact is he has 2 goals in 60 odd games since we signed him, even worse he creates virtually zero chances. So he got 12 in a Championship team that got promoted.....50 matches and well done but not amazing stats. I would play my sister before Trev so that's no argument. All I know is his return is a goal every 5 games in the German lower leagues and that's not good enough for a striker. The last time I saw him have a really good game was 2.5 seasons ago.....had it been 5 matches I would accept is but not 65. But your opening sentence says it all. The cowleys cant trust some to give their all - and having seen yesterdays evidence it's difficult to call them on it. Bacuna strutted around like a peacock without the pea, chalobah was his usual anonymous nearly but not quite self and grant was more concerned arguing with the officials than playing. Most of this squad is bang average at this level at best right now. Some will improve as better characters and players replace those who will leave but a good number wont. The one thing beyond question is kachunga's character - he doesn't hide and limited though he is he has a go and that's better than the rest right now. Over time it will hopefully change but I genuinely look at the club right now and dont see any way we can challenge again for the next couple of years unless we get shut of most of these and improve recruitment hugely.
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Post by mrg on Jan 2, 2020 9:43:00 GMT 1
Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view. I'd play myself instead of fecking Chalobah. Worst loan signing for years. Indeed, this was signed off in the summer. Hopefully we are prepared to fall out with Chelsea over the terms of this one because we need to buy, actually buy 2 midfielders. Mooy was on 60k a week, billing half of that in the PL. Theres nearly £5m there. Again, if DH has kept cash flowing through this company then I would hope we can afford 2 midfielders and a left back.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 2, 2020 10:14:59 GMT 1
Well you are allowed an opinion mate as am I. He isnt a premier league player. Is that the 2 and a half year period you are quoting? He was our top scorer playing on the right of the 3 linking well with the right back as I'm sure you remember. And he can tackle at this level and at 27 is less prone to loafing like chalboah. He isnt perfect, who is, but as we have so many issues all over the pitch I'm suggesting I'd play him instead of chalboah. Argue with it if you want but that's my view. When challenged about his continued inclusion recently Cowley said "but he gives 100%". Thing is... so would I. Simple fact is he has 2 goals in 60 odd games since we signed him, even worse he creates virtually zero chances. So he got 12 in a Championship team that got promoted.....50 matches and well done but not amazing stats. I would play my sister before Trev so that's no argument. All I know is his return is a goal every 5 games in the German lower leagues and that's not good enough for a striker. The last time I saw him have a really good game was 2.5 seasons ago.....had it been 5 matches I would accept is but not 65. One thing you omit is how much more vulnerable Simpson looks when Katchunga is not playing in front of him. He looked poor, and very exposed, yesterday. If you can keep a clean sheet and nick a goal you get 3 points regardless of whether Katchunga gets a goal on an assist. I would suggest it is a bigger picture than just your stats.
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Post by griffa on Jan 2, 2020 11:04:20 GMT 1
I was saying to my mate after the win on Sunday how defeats are easily forgotten, but a win can give a warmth for a while. One of my guiding principles is to never get annoyed over things about which you have no influence. Wasted energy Are you the Dalai Lama? 😄 Ar So Grasshopper! - UTT.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 2, 2020 11:04:29 GMT 1
It's unbelievable that stoke is not fighting for promotion with the players they have. Probably the same issues weve had. Players who cant be arsed and think they are bigger than the club and the division and shit recruiting and management. Before the transfer dealings the players we went down with on paper should of been a squad challenging for auto. It's about building a decent team with the right attitude not individuals with percieved ability. Could you have been more incorrect
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Post by ram on Jan 2, 2020 12:20:25 GMT 1
I watched on the red button,it was like watching a game in slow motion{from Town},with a bloke muttering commentary in the background. we actually seemed to give them 4 of the goals,all of which I could see coming 30seconds before they happened.The camera quality is so poor as to mask the actual play overall so the yellows and pen. call were not possible to see properly.Overall it was a very poor game from us.I am not expected too much in the transfer window which will improve us unfortunately.Its going to be a long season.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 2, 2020 12:50:13 GMT 1
Probably the same issues weve had. Players who cant be arsed and think they are bigger than the club and the division and shit recruiting and management. Before the transfer dealings the players we went down with on paper should of been a squad challenging for auto. It's about building a decent team with the right attitude not individuals with percieved ability. Could you have been more incorrect Eh? Beating us means they are the business does it? They are shit which made yesterday's result all the more worrying.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 2, 2020 14:20:23 GMT 1
When challenged about his continued inclusion recently Cowley said "but he gives 100%". Thing is... so would I. Simple fact is he has 2 goals in 60 odd games since we signed him, even worse he creates virtually zero chances. So he got 12 in a Championship team that got promoted.....50 matches and well done but not amazing stats. I would play my sister before Trev so that's no argument. All I know is his return is a goal every 5 games in the German lower leagues and that's not good enough for a striker. The last time I saw him have a really good game was 2.5 seasons ago.....had it been 5 matches I would accept is but not 65. One thing you omit is how much more vulnerable Simpson looks when Katchunga is not playing in front of him. He looked poor, and very exposed, yesterday. If you can keep a clean sheet and nick a goal you get 3 points regardless of whether Katchunga gets a goal on an assist. I would suggest it is a bigger picture than just your stats. Smokescreen...Kachunga is useless yet makes Simpson appear better? Simpson is dog-doo as well. In 30 years we will remember Schindler and O'Brien.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 2, 2020 14:25:14 GMT 1
It’s all about extremes on here .... we win and string a few games unbeaten then it's promotion talk lose a game and we are relegated and mid league 1 at best team .... reality is we have a team that will finish mid table with a good young manager and a new owner with all the best intentions but no money
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 2, 2020 14:50:34 GMT 1
One thing you omit is how much more vulnerable Simpson looks when Katchunga is not playing in front of him. He looked poor, and very exposed, yesterday. If you can keep a clean sheet and nick a goal you get 3 points regardless of whether Katchunga gets a goal on an assist. I would suggest it is a bigger picture than just your stats. Smokescreen...Kachunga is useless yet makes Simpson appear better? Simpson is dog-doo as well. In 30 years we will remember Schindler and O'Brien. In 30 years time my friend I think you and I will probably be beyond caring 😉 However, this season I think he will play an important part for us.
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