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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 9, 2020 17:24:32 GMT 1
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Post by wigster on Jan 11, 2020 18:25:05 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 11, 2020 18:31:08 GMT 1
I always thought it was BR that insisted on the sale of Marcus Stewart to recoup as much of his money that he could before he went? Could be wrong mind  I had the opportunity to question Steve Bruce personally about 4 years after he left Town. I asked him if he had been responsible for selling Stewart and his reply; "Are you mad? He was our best player and we had a good chance at promotion. Why the fuck would I want our best player sold?" He was genuinely angry that I had even asked the question. Stewart was shagging Ruberys wife and luckettis wife he had to go |
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Post by alexdire on Jan 11, 2020 18:43:30 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly. Next season we are likely to be in league one, with a chairman who can't invest and in a stadium we don't have a share in. |
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 11, 2020 18:46:17 GMT 1
For anyone savvy with accounts will the current outstanding balance of the Dean's loan be shown as at the date of the accounts ? Also will the total sums paid to Dean during the year be shown ? Yes and yes. The last published accounts, 2017/18, put our net debt to DH at £49m. He had loaned us some money in the summer of 2017 (£15m from memory) to tide us over while the PL cash came in, but that was repayed before the accounts were published. All will be revealed regarding repayments to DH in the HTFC accounts over whatever period it takes place. That cannot be hidden. What the accounts will not show is the detail of the share transaction between DH and PH, as this is private and not an HTAFC Ltd matter. The costs of the Deans shares (‘given’ to his mate potless) bought by the parachute money that is how Hoyle got the money back he gave/loaned to HTAFC |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:22:07 GMT 1
Yes and yes. The last published accounts, 2017/18, put our net debt to DH at £49m. He had loaned us some money in the summer of 2017 (£15m from memory) to tide us over while the PL cash came in, but that was repayed before the accounts were published. All will be revealed regarding repayments to DH in the HTFC accounts over whatever period it takes place. That cannot be hidden. What the accounts will not show is the detail of the share transaction between DH and PH, as this is private and not an HTAFC Ltd matter. The costs of the Deans shares (‘given’ to his mate potless) bought by the parachute money that is how Hoyle got the money back he gave/loaned to HTAFC Absolute and utter claptrap. You have just made yourself a laughing stock. |
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Post by COWleySHED on Jan 11, 2020 21:02:12 GMT 1
Convinced cowleys were told not to use top 4 wage earners at the club as we are looking to offload them - Pritchard Kongolo Diakhaby & Mbenza.
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Post by chadders51 on Jan 12, 2020 0:16:59 GMT 1
On the same subject. ONeil as come out and said that’ we (SCFC) can’t afford to sign anybody !
Owned by billionaires and we can’t sign anyone
FFP. Bought in to make things fairer but ended up just making it better for the top clubs
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Post by midlander on Jan 12, 2020 10:31:07 GMT 1
On the same subject. ONeil as come out and said that’ we (SCFC) can’t afford to sign anybody ! Owned by billionaires and we can’t sign anyone FFP. Bought in to make things fairer but ended up just making it better for the top clubs To be fair, you have chucked a lot of money on signing players since coming back down, have a big squad of seasoned pros and do need to shift some. Can't just keep chucking money at it. I know your situation is somewhat unique in that you have billionaire owners who are highly unlikely to ever pull the plug, but you do need to shift some players on. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 12, 2020 10:40:17 GMT 1
On the same subject. ONeil as come out and said that’ we (SCFC) can’t afford to sign anybody ! Owned by billionaires and we can’t sign anyone FFP. Bought in to make things fairer but ended up just making it better for the top clubs You're looking at it with 'Stoke' glasses on. It won't help everyone compete with those that have huge revenues, but should even the playing field away from them to a degree, which I'm all for, even if it's to the detriment of my club (not sure it is atm 😄). I'd be happy if it was implemented even more rigid! |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 12, 2020 12:13:41 GMT 1
On the same subject. ONeil as come out and said that’ we (SCFC) can’t afford to sign anybody ! Owned by billionaires and we can’t sign anyone FFP. Bought in to make things fairer but ended up just making it better for the top clubs To be fair, you have chucked a lot of money on signing players since coming back down, have a big squad of seasoned pros and do need to shift some. Can't just keep chucking money at it. I know your situation is somewhat unique in that you have billionaire owners who are highly unlikely to ever pull the plug, but you do need to shift some players on. Stoke spent more money last season than they did the season before when still in the prem. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 12:28:01 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly.I don't understand the vitriol and disrespect based on allegations that only exist on here. |
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Post by artysid on Jan 12, 2020 12:31:00 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly.I don't understand the vitriol and disrespect based on allegations that only exist on here. It's called social media, where people feel it's ok to say things about others they wouldn't dream of saying elsewhere. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 12:31:01 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly. Next season we are likely to be in league one, with a chairman who can't invest and in a stadium we don't have a share in. quote Then you come to both Town and Stoke, each rated 7/2 to be playing League One football next season. Town, by the way, are now 20/1 to win promotion Likely no! |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 12:32:42 GMT 1
Yes and yes. The last published accounts, 2017/18, put our net debt to DH at £49m. He had loaned us some money in the summer of 2017 (£15m from memory) to tide us over while the PL cash came in, but that was repayed before the accounts were published. All will be revealed regarding repayments to DH in the HTFC accounts over whatever period it takes place. That cannot be hidden. What the accounts will not show is the detail of the share transaction between DH and PH, as this is private and not an HTAFC Ltd matter. The costs of the Deans shares (‘given’ to his mate potless) bought by the parachute money that is how Hoyle got the money back he gave/loaned to HTAFC Please let me have your source, exceedingly well connected to have that info.  |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 12:33:48 GMT 1
The costs of the Deans shares (‘given’ to his mate potless) bought by the parachute money that is how Hoyle got the money back he gave/loaned to HTAFC Absolute and utter claptrap. You have just made yourself a laughing stock. Totally disagree that status was achieved long ago  |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 12:38:20 GMT 1
I don't understand the vitriol and disrespect based on allegations that only exist on here. It's called social media, where people feel it's ok to say things about others they wouldn't dream of saying elsewhere. could we have a site for grown ups or perhaps one with peoples identities clearly available, i know it wont happen but the lack of accountability in society is a big problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:42:22 GMT 1
On a side note, it’s intriguing that Phil Hodgkinson hasnt take any interest either directly or via HTFC, in the Town Foundation.
It remains as a Dean Hoyle spear headed entity, with Jarvis & Hough etc as directors.
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Post by crux on Jan 12, 2020 13:13:38 GMT 1
On a side note, it’s intriguing that Phil Hodgkinson hasnt take any interest either directly or via HTFC, in the Town Foundation. It remains as a Dean Hoyle spear headed entity, with Jarvis & Hough etc as directors. Not really. As well as HTFC, he does also have his other businesses to run. Unless someone is going to buy his businesses for £300m like happened to Dean and Janet, he's always going to have limited time to give. No doubt the usual suspects will still use it as a stick to beat him with though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 14:28:27 GMT 1
On a side note, it’s intriguing that Phil Hodgkinson hasnt take any interest either directly or via HTFC, in the Town Foundation. It remains as a Dean Hoyle spear headed entity, with Jarvis & Hough etc as directors. Not really. As well as HTFC, he does also have his other businesses to run. Unless someone is going to buy his businesses for £300m like happened to Dean and Janet, he's always going to have limited time to give. No doubt the usual suspects will still use it as a stick to beat him with though. No stick here, a genuine puzzlement. The Foundation and all that it does is intrinsically linked to the Hudds Town brand and values. I’m surprised that Phil is prepared to leave it to run in silo. Although I suppose that may make things easier to keep transparent for a charitable non profit operation. Likewise it says a lot positive about Dean that he wants to retain and sees the positive value this brings to the community. |
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Post by crux on Jan 12, 2020 16:06:27 GMT 1
Not really. As well as HTFC, he does also have his other businesses to run. Unless someone is going to buy his businesses for £300m like happened to Dean and Janet, he's always going to have limited time to give. No doubt the usual suspects will still use it as a stick to beat him with though. No stick here, a genuine puzzlement. The Foundation and all that it does is intrinsically linked to the Hudds Town brand and values. I’m surprised that Phil is prepared to leave it to run in silo. Although I suppose that may make things easier to keep transparent for a charitable non profit operation. Likewise it says a lot positive about Dean that he wants to retain and sees the positive value this brings to the community. The stick comment wasn't aimed at you, sorry if you thought it was. 'Pointless_Prick' or whatever he actually calls himself would be the prime suspect 😂. Dean and Janet were instrumental in setting up the Foundation and if they want to stay involved I suspect PH is happy to let them continue and won't want to 'tread on anyone's toes'. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 12, 2020 16:31:16 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly. You really are a bit of a knob aren't you. Apart from having no actual facts to base your stupid comnents on, he got most of his money out of Card factory when he sold it. Just for you and the other hard of understanding. He only bought the club because he had the money from selling his business. He invested £50m of HIS money and got us in to the premier league. It might not have gone as we hoped it would, but he spent half of last year on deaths door, and you slag him of on hear for ALEDGEDLY taking his money back at a point when we can most afford it. FFS |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 17:51:43 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly. You really are a bit of a knob aren't you. Apart from having no actual facts to base your stupid comnents on, he got most of his money out of Card factory when he sold it. Just for you and the other hard of understanding. He only bought the club because he had the money from selling his business. He invested £50m of HIS money and got us in to the premier league. It might not have gone as we hoped it would, but he spent half of last year on deaths door, and you slag him of on hear for ALEDGEDLY taking his money back at a point when we can most afford it. FFS I have been using this insult for decades 1 in a 100 pick up on it but i prefer " the hard of thinking" |
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Post by wigster on Jan 12, 2020 19:10:42 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle seems to have allegedly got out of the Card Factory at the right time and kept his money. Bit like what he's done to Huddersfield Town, allegedly. You really are a bit of a knob aren't you. Apart from having no actual facts to base your stupid comnents on, he got most of his money out of Card factory when he sold it. Just for you and the other hard of understanding. He only bought the club because he had the money from selling his business. He invested £50m of HIS money and got us in to the premier league. It might not have gone as we hoped it would, but he spent half of last year on deaths door, and you slag him of on hear for ALEDGEDLY taking his money back at a point when we can most afford it. FFS I am totally aware that selling his business will have given him money to buy the club. This is a forum for discussion, some factual, some speculative, some informed, some not. I cannot therefore fully understand the aggression and rudeness in your post to me. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 12, 2020 19:58:33 GMT 1
You really are a bit of a knob aren't you. Apart from having no actual facts to base your stupid comnents on, he got most of his money out of Card factory when he sold it. Just for you and the other hard of understanding. He only bought the club because he had the money from selling his business. He invested £50m of HIS money and got us in to the premier league. It might not have gone as we hoped it would, but he spent half of last year on deaths door, and you slag him of on hear for ALEDGEDLY taking his money back at a point when we can most afford it. FFS I am totally aware that selling his business will have given him money to buy the club. This is a forum for discussion, some factual, some speculative, some informed, some not. I cannot therefore fully understand the aggression and rudeness in your post to me. Aggression and rudeness well deserved as your rude and aggressive posts about a much loved owner. In this country we are all innocent til proven guilty. (except for charges from the VAT man), uninformed speculation is the issue and rightly so. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jan 12, 2020 23:10:52 GMT 1
Could have dropped this in any number of threads...
Pretty accurate and on the money is Kieran Maguire
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 13, 2020 13:05:13 GMT 1
I know we're desperate for more players but I think we'll need to clear afew more out before we can bring anyone else in. The wages alone for Kongolo, Diakhaby & Mbenza will be astronomical for this division. Our wage bill is far lower than the first parachute payment. It shouldn't have been a problem but the terms of takeover have caused it to be |
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Post by canuckterrier on Jan 13, 2020 13:21:30 GMT 1
To make that chart more meaningfuli, it should be balanced with a chart depicting how much we are owed in transfer payments;
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 13, 2020 13:34:57 GMT 1
I know we're desperate for more players but I think we'll need to clear afew more out before we can bring anyone else in. The wages alone for Kongolo, Diakhaby & Mbenza will be astronomical for this division. Our wage bill is far lower than the first parachute payment. It shouldn't have been a problem but the terms of takeover have caused it to be  |
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Post by royrace on Jan 13, 2020 14:22:42 GMT 1
The fact that the club banged on about how all players had relegation clauses to reduce their wages and ‘no one will need to be sold’ is a clue. Then we were bought and we sold/lost a large number of high earners yet we are now over budget. We sold Smith (£4m), Billing (£15m), Zanka (£3m?) VLP (£1m) & Lowe (£500k?), will have got loan fees for Mooy, Brown, Hamer & Sobhi and released Durm, Sabiri, Depoitre, Williams, Lossl & Puncheon. Something changed the size of the cash flow we have to play with. We’ve signed journeymen and non-league kids with 2 loaners from the PL. Either we were spun a sack of shit to buy season tickets or the terms of the sale have scuppered us. This is a no brainer isnt it surely, does anyone seriously think we would be over budget based on what we spent in the PL, who we have let go and the parachute payments we're due?!?!? Basic maths suggests there's a massive hole and it seems its in the shape of Deans loan or the money needed to purchase the club depending on how you want to look at it. I assume the comments about the club being in a good state, no-one needs to be sold etc were based on the fact they probably expected to sell 2 of Mounie, Kongolo, Mbenza, Diakhaby and Phil was pretty sure the squad was in good shape and we had some quality players who were just low on confidence. Laughable now but I think they genuinely thought the club was sat on £50M+ of talent, harsh realisation now is that those assets are actually liabilities and need replacing with free transfers just to try to avoid relegation. Seems we're £50M down on where we should be and thats before you write off Diakbenza, Kongolo etc. Isn't that why we're skint? Getting rid of Jan plus two of his assistantsand bringing in Cowles wouldnt have been cheap either but a drop in the ocean compared to the PL money we've had and are receiving for the next 3 years. |
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