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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 14, 2020 8:33:24 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:18:53 GMT 1
Joined the Club when it was finishing about 16th in League one. Moved the Club from a field at Storthes Hall and some portable cabins to Canalside. Leaves the Club in a far better place than that he joined. Worth alot more than when he joined. He loaned £50 million and has every right to take that cash back.
Current League position apart, Are we in a better position than when he took over ?
We were nigh on self sufficient (skint), We didn't own our training ground (we still don't), We didn't own the stadium (we still don't), We didn't have unsustainable outgoings on wages (we have now ).
A poor end to the season and another relegation would see us in a similar situation to that when Hoyle took over.
We were not nigh on self sufficient, we were losing £7m or so every year. That's why we owe DH £49m, he covered those losses with loans. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 14, 2020 9:31:28 GMT 1
Yes and he owns canalside Yes and he owns 25% still in a club worth more than what he paid (how much did it cost him at the outset and what are his share worth now ?) One thing we dont know is if he actually also got a price for the shares he sold Looks like he got plenty on top of his loans.  please stop its embarrassing................. has it got to do with the fans Some on here are coming across like crass spoilt brats, but what you say there just isn't right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:11:56 GMT 1
Some very, very basic maths here for the blind masses. INCOME SHEET: ------------------- 2017/18 5M Nakhi Wells 1m Lolley/Heff 100M TV revenue = 106m2018/19 3M Scott Malone 12M Ince 100M TV revenue = 115m2019/20 60M Parachute payments 15M Billing 5M Tommy Smith 1M VLP 3M Zanka 1M (Guess) Mooy = 90M= 320M TOTAL INCOME ON TV MONEY AND TRANSFER ALONEE (Not even accounting for 3 years of sold out stadiums, matchday revenue and sponsorship)............................. EXPENDITURE: --------------- 2017-2020 25m Diabenza 17m Kongolo 11m Mounie 11m Pritchard 10m Ince 8m Mooy 5m Zanka 5m Malone 3m De Poitre 2M Grant Wages Lossl Wages Durm Wages Puncheon Wages Simpson Wages Elhpick Wages Jaden Brown Wages Campbell Factoring in 20% wage reductions for everyone upon relegation = 100m spent on transfers.........
I totally appreciate that wages need to be accounted for; though so does the season ticket and matchday revenue and sponsorsip.
320m - 100m (Plus wages/Signing on fees/ new training ground which we don't own) = WHERE IS 220M? ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 14, 2020 10:15:29 GMT 1
Hopefully Phil will be using a wodge of it for a sniper
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Post by space hardware on Jan 14, 2020 10:27:24 GMT 1
I'd suggest that us spending the square root of jack shit, despite us being a "Parachute Payment" club, would strongly imply that the payback has already started. Your suggestions are mere conjecture. Only as the annual accounts roll out from 18/19 onwards will we see the true facts. I'd call it an educated guess 😀 |
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Post by tobbyg on Jan 14, 2020 10:30:31 GMT 1
Some very, very basic maths here for the blind masses. INCOME SHEET: ------------------- 2017/18 5M Nakhi Wells 1m Lolley/Heff 100M TV revenue = 106m2018/19 3M Scott Malone 12M Ince 100M TV revenue = 115m2019/20 60M Parachute payments 15M Billing 5M Tommy Smith 1M VLP 3M Zanka 1M (Guess) Mooy = 90M= 320M TOTAL INCOME ON TV MONEY AND TRANSFER ALONEE (Not even accounting for 3 years of sold out stadiums, matchday revenue and sponsorship)............................. EXPENDITURE: --------------- 2017-2020 25m Diabenza 17m Kongolo 11m Mounie 11m Pritchard 10m Ince 8m Mooy 5m Zanka 5m Malone 3m De Poitre 2M Grant Wages Lossl Wages Durm Wages Puncheon Wages Simpson Wages Elhpick Wages Jaden Brown Wages Campbell Factoring in 20% wage reductions for everyone upon relegation = 100m spent on transfers.........
I totally appreciate that wages need to be accounted for; though so does the season ticket and matchday revenue and sponsorsip.
320m - 100m (Plus wages/Signing on fees/ new training ground which we don't own) = WHERE IS 220M??
I stopped reading at Wells, his contract was up and went on a free. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:33:18 GMT 1
shows what you know.
BBC, Sky sports, Transfermarket.com and every other website was wrong at 5m then?
#blindmasses
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 14, 2020 10:36:21 GMT 1
Some very, very basic maths here for the blind masses. INCOME SHEET: ------------------- 2017/18 5M Nakhi Wells 1m Lolley/Heff 100M TV revenue = 106m2018/19 3M Scott Malone 12M Ince 100M TV revenue = 115m2019/20 60M Parachute payments 15M Billing 5M Tommy Smith 1M VLP 3M Zanka 1M (Guess) Mooy = 90M= 320M TOTAL INCOME ON TV MONEY AND TRANSFER ALONEE (Not even accounting for 3 years of sold out stadiums, matchday revenue and sponsorship)............................. EXPENDITURE: --------------- 2017-2020 25m Diabenza 17m Kongolo 11m Mounie 11m Pritchard 10m Ince 8m Mooy 5m Zanka 5m Malone 3m De Poitre 2M Grant Wages Lossl Wages Durm Wages Puncheon Wages Simpson Wages Elhpick Wages Jaden Brown Wages Campbell Factoring in 20% wage reductions for everyone upon relegation = 100m spent on transfers.........
I totally appreciate that wages need to be accounted for; though so does the season ticket and matchday revenue and sponsorsip.
320m - 100m (Plus wages/Signing on fees/ new training ground which we don't own) = WHERE IS 220M??
I stopped reading at Wells, his contract was up and went on a free. The lad mostly talks absolute guff, but we did get £5m for Wells. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41098534His contract with us would have expired in June 2018, we were just pissed off he wouldn't extend it in 16/17 to avoid it running into its final year. Quite how we managed to be that organised with Nahki Wells but not Aaron Mooy is another question entirely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:40:19 GMT 1
How is the above guff?
It's fact and figures that cannot be denied - not opinions!!!
Those NUMBERS don't lie
Please tell me I'm wrong.
Where's the 220m?
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Post by Maynardblue on Jan 14, 2020 10:53:16 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m
Players wage bill £110m
Manager plus club staff wages £20m
Ground/training facility improvement £12m
Promotion/staying up bonus £20m
.... your figures are slightly out.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 14, 2020 11:02:39 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. I don't know exactly what figures or why, but what a difficult job the club had in even trying to compete last year. some of the (supposed) figures are absolutely mindboggling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 11:08:52 GMT 1
Current League position apart, Are we in a better position than when he took over ?
We were nigh on self sufficient (skint), We didn't own our training ground (we still don't), We didn't own the stadium (we still don't), We didn't have unsustainable outgoings on wages (we have now ).
A poor end to the season and another relegation would see us in a similar situation to that when Hoyle took over.
We were not nigh on self sufficient, we were losing £7m or so every year. That's why we owe DH £49m, he covered those losses with loans.
Eh, No way was Davy sticking 7M in the kitty a season to prop us up,, Hoyle took over and increased the budget to make us competitive.
Davy only let us spend what we were earning, We were nigh on self sufficient, shite but nigh on self sufficient.
The new chairman has taken over and has an unsustainable wage bill to sort asap, If the Cowleys wand stops waving magic and we suffer another relegation,, Well, Its not worth thinking about at the moment.
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Post by Uddersfield on Jan 14, 2020 11:17:51 GMT 1
Also, another thing, we're not getting the fees for players upfront. I.e. we'll be getting the Smith and Billing money in installments as PH said in his interview.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 14, 2020 11:24:20 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. I don't know exactly what figures or why, but what a difficult job the club had in even trying to compete last year. some of the (supposed) figures are absolutely mindboggling. Burnley manage alright. |
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Post by ram on Jan 14, 2020 11:28:52 GMT 1
Perhaps there's going to be a big twist and Dean is going to use a large chunk of the cash he is getting back to purchase the stadium and leave it in Huddersfield Town's name forever Aye! and Pigs might fly.  |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 14, 2020 11:40:05 GMT 1
Also, another thing, we're not getting the fees for players upfront. I.e. we'll be getting the Smith and Billing money in installments as PH said in his interview. The same applies when buying players. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jan 14, 2020 11:47:42 GMT 1
Also, another thing, we're not getting the fees for players upfront. I.e. we'll be getting the Smith and Billing money in installments as PH said in his interview. Does it work differently when Town buy players? I thought at the time when I listened to it that sounded like a strange argument to try and make but he wasn't pulled up on it. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 14, 2020 12:03:00 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. Maynard are we actually doing the training ground - there's been confusion about what was announced in 2018 and then I assume scaled back? It was initially meant to be complete this summer - www.skysports.com/football/news/11740/11495236/huddersfield-town-announce-new-20m-training-ground-plansI know many fans don't care but for me the training infrastructure is a far better use of £15m then a player (fee and wages) who may or may not work out Having top training facilities gives us a better chance to recruit top loan players and also attract the best youngsters released by the bigger clubs (cornerstone to our new academy plans) so for me it's a big positive and would be a long term tangile benefit of the Premier League years I appreciate you may not be able to share but I think the club could maybe share an update on the plan here, revised timelines and what the vision now looks like At the moment it feels like the financial legacy of the Premier League years is that 40 or so footballers pocketed millions and Dean got his money back (which I have no issue with to be honest). It would be good if there's though a tangible long term financial benefit beyond brighter floodlights, a better managers dugout, enhanced media facilities and electric advertising boardings ... which are minimum changes to what happens on the pitch |
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Post by Uddersfield on Jan 14, 2020 12:04:37 GMT 1
Also, another thing, we're not getting the fees for players upfront. I.e. we'll be getting the Smith and Billing money in installments as PH said in his interview. Does it work differently when Town buy players? I thought at the time when I listened to it that sounded like a strange argument to try and make but he wasn't pulled up on it. I'm not sure, i'd imagine most things are carried out in the same principal. I remember PH saying that due to the tax on everything we actually lost money when we first sold Billing! |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 14, 2020 12:30:40 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. Maynard are we actually doing the training ground - there's been confusion about what was announced in 2018 and then I assume scaled back? It was initially meant to be complete this summer - www.skysports.com/football/news/11740/11495236/huddersfield-town-announce-new-20m-training-ground-plansI know many fans don't care but for me the training infrastructure is a far better use of £15m then a player (fee and wages) who may or may not work out Having top training facilities gives us a better chance to recruit top loan players and also attract the best youngsters released by the bigger clubs (cornerstone to our new academy plans) so for me it's a big positive and would be a long term tangile benefit of the Premier League years I appreciate you may not be able to share but I think the club could maybe share an update on the plan here, revised timelines and what the vision now looks like At the moment it feels like the financial legacy of the Premier League years is that 40 or so footballers pocketed millions and Dean got his money back (which I have no issue with to be honest). It would be good if there's though a tangible long term financial benefit beyond brighter floodlights, a better managers dugout, enhanced media facilities and electric advertising boardings ... which are minimum changes to what happens on the pitch Think this is the final version www.kirklees.gov.uk/beta/planning-applications/search-for-planning-applications/filedownload.aspx?application_number=2018/93740&file_reference=734247I think the only significant difference between the original plans and this is ditching of office space, because Davy's Simplybiz company have left/are leaving the offices in the Stadium, so HTFC will take them over rather than build new. They are certainly on with it atm, the place looks like a bombsite if you drive past. It would be nice to get a proper update from the club though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:40:46 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. I don't know exactly what figures or why, but what a difficult job the club had in even trying to compete last year. some of the (supposed) figures are absolutely mindboggling. 20M For staff? !!!!! Who the hell do you think we are employing to the tune of 400,000 pounds a week haha 110m Player wages?!!!! that meansa 22 man playing squad sees each player on 96k a week.. what are you smoking??!!!!! 20m staying up bonus - don't be stupid , that's 1m per player. you get 14m for WINNING the champions league Christ where the hell have you plucked these weird numbers from? #blindmasses |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jan 14, 2020 12:54:55 GMT 1
Transfer/loan fees £110m Players wage bill £110m Manager plus club staff wages £20m Ground/training facility improvement £12m Promotion/staying up bonus £20m .... your figures are slightly out. New training groun 30 million isn't it? Then there's the Hoyle loan PH said we're paying back over 3 years. That's 50 million. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Jan 14, 2020 13:07:27 GMT 1
I don't know exactly what figures or why, but what a difficult job the club had in even trying to compete last year. some of the (supposed) figures are absolutely mindboggling. 20M For staff? !!!!! Who the hell do you think we are employing to the tune of 400,000 pounds a week haha 110m Player wages?!!!! that meansa 22 man playing squad sees each player on 96k a week.. what are you smoking??!!!!! 20m staying up bonus - don't be stupid , that's 1m per player. you get 14m for WINNING the champions league Christ where the hell have you plucked these weird numbers from? #blindmasses Wasting my breath i know but I'll try and use small words It's over 2 years. 10m promo bonus. 10m survival bonus Wagner was on a fortune. Got several pay rises, bonuses etc Htafc employs a lot of staff, specialists don't come cheap. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 14, 2020 13:24:19 GMT 1
Maynard are we actually doing the training ground - there's been confusion about what was announced in 2018 and then I assume scaled back? It was initially meant to be complete this summer - www.skysports.com/football/news/11740/11495236/huddersfield-town-announce-new-20m-training-ground-plansI know many fans don't care but for me the training infrastructure is a far better use of £15m then a player (fee and wages) who may or may not work out Having top training facilities gives us a better chance to recruit top loan players and also attract the best youngsters released by the bigger clubs (cornerstone to our new academy plans) so for me it's a big positive and would be a long term tangile benefit of the Premier League years I appreciate you may not be able to share but I think the club could maybe share an update on the plan here, revised timelines and what the vision now looks like At the moment it feels like the financial legacy of the Premier League years is that 40 or so footballers pocketed millions and Dean got his money back (which I have no issue with to be honest). It would be good if there's though a tangible long term financial benefit beyond brighter floodlights, a better managers dugout, enhanced media facilities and electric advertising boardings ... which are minimum changes to what happens on the pitch Think this is the final version www.kirklees.gov.uk/beta/planning-applications/search-for-planning-applications/filedownload.aspx?application_number=2018/93740&file_reference=734247I think the only significant difference between the original plans and this is ditching of office space, because Davy's Simplybiz company have left/are leaving the offices in the Stadium, so HTFC will take them over rather than build new. They are certainly on with it atm, the place looks like a bombsite if you drive past. It would be nice to get a proper update from the club though. To be honest it must be 6 months since I last went down that end of Leeds Road so good to hear there's work in progress  If the only thing dropped is the offices - and they're just taking SimplyBiz space - then it basically means it's no material change in terms of training facilitiees, which is a good thing It seems the original plans have changed though and I do think the club could update fans here, especially as they made a big deal with the original annoucement. e.g. opportunity for fans to see the plans at Candalside and feedback With the club saying they're over budget and the project slower than communicated I just think the club are missing a trick here clarifying what is a good news story and shows the club progressively investing some of the PL money - saying nothing merely allows doubts to creep in |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 14, 2020 13:40:31 GMT 1
20M For staff? !!!!! Who the hell do you think we are employing to the tune of 400,000 pounds a week haha 110m Player wages?!!!! that meansa 22 man playing squad sees each player on 96k a week.. what are you smoking??!!!!! 20m staying up bonus - don't be stupid , that's 1m per player. you get 14m for WINNING the champions league Christ where the hell have you plucked these weird numbers from? #blindmasses Wasting my breath i know but I'll try and use small words It's over 2 years. 10m promo bonus. 10m survival bonus Wagner was on a fortune. Got several pay rises, bonuses etc Htafc employs a lot of staff, specialists don't come cheap. Whilst not disputing the rest, this was accounted for in the promotion season (2016/7). |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 14, 2020 14:00:44 GMT 1
The figures quoted on here, whether its maynardblue or potless_phil (and I think I know which to believe) are mind-boggling and very concerning.
In simple terms it seems DH being returned his loans has hamstrung the club to the extent that we’re now on a tightrope with the real threat of a second successive relegation, with the club not really able, financially, to support the Cowleys to the extent they need to. What I don’t quite get is that DH is a Town fan, he’s witnessing the same crap on the pitch as we are, yet it seems like he’s accepting of it.
You have to hope and trust that PH and DH have a plan/vision for the future of HTAFC. God knows what that is though. Unless and until things are more fully explained and justified then I’m afraid I’ll be more sceptical of what either PH or DH say in the future. This club seems to have lost its soul.
From the outside the leadership at the top of this club has been rank rotten for the last two years. Good luck Danny and Nicky.
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Post by crux on Jan 14, 2020 14:20:23 GMT 1
Wasting my breath i know but I'll try and use small words It's over 2 years. 10m promo bonus. 10m survival bonus Wagner was on a fortune. Got several pay rises, bonuses etc Htafc employs a lot of staff, specialists don't come cheap. Whilst not disputing the rest, this was accounted for in the promotion season (2016/7). It might have been in the accounts, but caused a loss in 2016/17 which presumably the income from the PL money covered. Which I think was the point Maynard was making when trying to respond to Pointless_Prick and his financial rantings. |
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Post by phishman on Jan 14, 2020 14:21:00 GMT 1
Can’t believe the naivety on this thread. Dean took the Premier League money to develop Canalside, that he owns. He rents it back to Town (landlord). He followed the same model as our stadium. Phil bought in with parachute payments. The hope was we would offload the expensive signings and use the cash for new signings. Obviously this hasn’t happened. I have been banned before for predicting this 2-3 years ago when everyone has over the moon with the progress.
What is my source? Club accounts and >20 years running countries for MNCs.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 14, 2020 14:24:02 GMT 1
Can’t believe the naivety on this thread. Dean took the Premier League money to develop Canalside, that he owns. He rents it back to Town (landlord). He followed the same model as our stadium. Phil bought in with parachute payments. The hope was we would offload the expensive signings and use the cash for new signings. Obviously this hasn’t happened. I have been banned before for predicting this 2-3 years ago when everyone has over the moon with the progress. What is my source? Club accounts and >20 years running countries for MNCs. Wake up and smell the coffee. FINANCE THREAD |
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