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Post by togterrier on Mar 20, 2020 12:15:30 GMT 1
RFU ends the rugby union season for all levels (leagues, cups the lot) except the top flight. I'd guess there is the small matter of TV rights, qualification for Europe next year etc etc to sort out. They are going to announce mid April what the part completed season means for all teams regarding promotion/relegation etc. Newcastle are miles ahead in the 2nd tier having won all 15 fixtures and Saracens are on -63 points in the Premiership for salary cap breaches so the promotion and relegation situation is a non issue.
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Post by softboy on Mar 21, 2020 20:06:01 GMT 1
Unless the season can be completed by the 30th June then it has to be null and void - end off. What happens if a team refuse to play as they have concerns about their collegues and family. Say its is Town so essentially we get no more points this season. It would be impossible to force a player to work in these difficult circumstances (paid or not). And if a player is out of contract on the 30th June and decides he wants to leave depleting the squad. Continuing this season beyond the end of June is cocking up 2 seasons, this and next). And if we play behind closed doors (no income) clubs may have to enter Administration to preserve their futures so to deduct them 10 points (which is mandatiry) would be very unfair, .
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Post by doncasterterrier on Mar 21, 2020 20:17:06 GMT 1
Just follow Rugby. Call an end to the season now. At least clubs can plan for next season knowing where they will be & recruit to suit. If time allows could also have a pre-season to get some funds in. From bbc sport ]Highland League brought to an early end with Brora Rangers awarded title'First of many?
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Post by softboy on Mar 21, 2020 20:44:23 GMT 1
Completely agree. Charlton for example - there is a fear given ownership issues that they may have to enter Administration to preserve their future and therefore 10 points off. Don't like Lee Bowyer or the club for that matter but would seem a bit unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 22:32:32 GMT 1
Completely agree. Charlton for example - there is a fear given ownership issues that they may have to enter Administration to preserve their future and therefore 10 points off. Don't like Lee Bowyer or the club for that matter but would seem a bit unfair. Add Bolton to the list...I think if the season goes beyond 30th of June they’ve got THREE players contracted.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Mar 22, 2020 1:16:34 GMT 1
Does it really matter though? Whatever the decision and outcome it will be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's a game of football, but people die or have their lives turned inside out by the economic turmoil. At some point some will say it matters but it won't really. This is true. But I've been in lockdown (in Spain) for 7 days surrounded by gloom, and believe me, its a welcome distraction
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Post by shawsie on Mar 22, 2020 9:54:06 GMT 1
A decision will be made soon enough but I genuinely doubt we will see football live now for months if at all this year. The numbers are following Italy and with a 12 wk lockdown for the most at risk it's hard to see any live watchable football this side of july/aug and that's at best.The only way they can finish this season now and leave the next relatively untouched would be to play behind closed doors and that will only work for the top flight surely?
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Post by stevvy on Mar 22, 2020 10:15:26 GMT 1
But as they've said, you have to have an ambulance there in the case of serious injury or something like that, and they don't seem overly keen on taking emergency services away from where they're most needed.
Plus we saw with PSG, fans will likely just congregate outside the stadium, so you'd want police there too to keep things in check there.
Can't see anyone playing before the end of June at the absolute earliest, and possibly even later than that (also you have the issue of ideally all European leagues finishing at the same time for the purpose of European places for the following season)
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 22, 2020 10:41:55 GMT 1
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Post by dugnet on Mar 22, 2020 11:50:50 GMT 1
I really don't think it matters in the scheme of things but it is true something will have to be done to decide what happens.
It really depends on what people think is safe and when that happens. Behind closed doors doesn't really address the issues of players being close together and all the other support staff.
I am sure they will have contingencies for points in time going forward. They won't speculate on those yet though. I don't see a ball being kicked before June. I don't see European games until later,travel etc....
The question will be what, if play can't resume in the next 3 months, will be the outcome. There is no satisfactory answer. My guess is they will finish domestic leagues whatever and amend next season e.g. bin the league cup, Johnstone Paints, shorten the FA Cup seed teams so lower seeds have the choice of a home or away draw (for revenue).
I'm guessing though. There must also be a point were continuing becomes unviable? The other thing is broadcasters pay for games, if next season was reduced to perhaps only playing each other once (It could happen) it could be that you have games on TV virtually every night to get up to the games shown. Clubs will want the money, or players will have to take pay cuts. The money we got from our time in the Premier League could be ever more important in the future. We haven't scratched the surface of what might happen at all.
Expect a really different looking season.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 22, 2020 12:47:58 GMT 1
The Southampton guy's suggestion was ludicrous and someone needs a word in his ear
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Post by artysid on Mar 22, 2020 12:51:32 GMT 1
This season has to end now surely?
The only question should be what happens next - null & void? teams in promotion relegation spots change places? or some other formula?
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Post by softboy on Mar 22, 2020 13:02:45 GMT 1
If you base promotion/relegation on where teams are now when will the play off games take place? You cannot simply promote the top 2 and leave it at that nor can you promote the 3rd as that's not the rules. And Villa game in hand. I simply cannot see any option than simply null & void the season and hopefully start next on time.
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Post by El Mel on Mar 22, 2020 13:03:03 GMT 1
I voted to complete the games, but let's be honest, that's increasingly unrealistic.
End the season now, with the league's frozen. Its not beyond the realms that this season is spread out over next season as well.
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 22, 2020 13:15:40 GMT 1
The Southampton guy's suggestion was ludicrous and someone needs a word in his ear Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Mar 22, 2020 13:23:41 GMT 1
The Southampton guy's suggestion was ludicrous and someone needs a word in his ear I fail to see why someone’s opinion on anything should make news. Did they go round all clubs and he was the only one willing to speak, or did he contact them and say that he had an opinion which might be interesting. To whom? If Cowley said something, would that be mentioned on national news? What makes the Southampton guy worth listening to? I don’t understand any of this quoting opinion as fact. (So does that make my opinion on this topic invalid?)
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 22, 2020 13:25:58 GMT 1
I voted to complete the games, but let's be honest, that's increasingly unrealistic. End the season now, with the league's frozen. Its not beyond the realms that this season is spread out over next season as well. Agreed. The fixtures have to be completed before a new set can start with league status for many still up in the air. Whether that’s this summer or in 12 months/two years/whenever, the only fair way is to finish this season first. Obviously, it would suit us to scrap it and start again, but not sure how that could happen with everyone agreeing it’s the best solution. Anyway, it should be the least of our worries at the moment.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 22, 2020 13:34:53 GMT 1
The Southampton guy's suggestion was ludicrous and someone needs a word in his ear Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up. Can you imagine ... it's the Merseyside derby . If Liverpool win it's their first title in 30 years .. "You watching the match la?" " is right ... sitting at home on my own la and watching it on the telly " Would never ever happen For that reason the guy is a complete bell
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Post by detox on Mar 22, 2020 13:52:14 GMT 1
Given the antidote to this virus is likely not due for 12-18 months, and therefor even if the infections/deaths start to decline, it is still there as a threat, and can therefor 're-ignite' at any time. While we're talking of what will happen to this unfinished season, it may well be next season may be scrapped as well. If that was the case, then there's no need to resolve the current seasons promotion and relegations. I just can't see everything going back to normal in August, or even December...it's a worldwide pandemic and there are loads of players who come from a multitude of countries across all continents..
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 22, 2020 14:14:18 GMT 1
Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up. Can you imagine ... it's the Merseyside derby . If Liverpool win it's their first title in 30 years .. "You watching the match la?" " is right ... sitting at home on my own la and watching it on the telly " Would never ever happen For that reason the guy is a complete bell Even that's ignoring the fact that loads within football are likely to have it at one point or another within the next 3 months...which means teams then cant play. They seem to think they can operate in a bubble.
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Post by blueray4 on Mar 22, 2020 14:55:37 GMT 1
Also if it does get resolved & played. We can't expect players to start up straight away. There will have to be friendlies just to get match fitness up before the season commences. Unfortunately i can't see it being finalised this year & i think next season will not happen. Start the end of the season next March.
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Post by isitjustme on Mar 22, 2020 15:53:33 GMT 1
Declare the season null and void, and baring in mind everybody has played the same amount of games in this division, just start the next season with Barnsley on 0pts and Leeds on 24pts, and all other teams in between as their current league position in points. Or....... Everybody just starts next season on their current points total. Doesn't solve it, I know, but at least rewards the success or failure of this season towards next...........Can't believe they are going to play all remaining fixtures and completing this season, without impacting next season badly. So lets pull the plug on this season now !!!
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Post by sabailand on Mar 22, 2020 16:12:24 GMT 1
The Southampton guy's suggestion was ludicrous and someone needs a word in his ear Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up. Yep, although football is loved the world over its got its detractors, and its certain individuals attitudes that help entrench the detractors opinions, we all love football and all that goes with it, but at the moment its insignificant.
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Post by Stewpot on Mar 22, 2020 18:50:17 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 22, 2020 20:00:51 GMT 1
Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up. Can you imagine ... it's the Merseyside derby . If Liverpool win it's their first title in 30 years .. "You watching the match la?" " is right ... sitting at home on my own la and watching it on the telly " Would never ever happen For that reason the guy is a complete bell Most Liverpool fans are plastics that watch them on TV anyway 😃
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Post by wings on Mar 23, 2020 1:04:57 GMT 1
Declare the season null and void, and baring in mind everybody has played the same amount of games in this division, just start the next season with Barnsley on 0pts and Leeds on 24pts, and all other teams in between as their current league position in points. Or....... Everybody just starts next season on their current points total. Doesn't solve it, I know, but at least rewards the success or failure of this season towards next...........Can't believe they are going to play all remaining fixtures and completing this season, without impacting next season badly. So lets pull the plug on this season now !!! I had a similar outcome as yourself only I thought the teams should start with the points total as they are at now. Never thought of your selection of which I wholeheartedly agree with.
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 23, 2020 9:28:13 GMT 1
With the World Cup in Qatar due to start in November 2022, they’re going to have to seriously rethink the fixture schedule anyway, so depending on when this thing blows over and some sense of normality hopefully returns there’s going to be a split of fixtures over the next two or three years. Finish this season by November, same in 2021, then start another finishing just before the World Cup. Then hold Cup competitions from February to end of April maybe? Start afresh and back on track in August 2022.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 14:05:09 GMT 1
Football literally the only sport still whittering on about playing anytime soon whilst everything else is shelved. Completely self-absorbed and oblivious as usual. Once the Olympics inevitably goes we are in a situation where literally every even low profile sporting event between now and August is cancelled yet multiple folk within football cant stop going on about starting back up. Yep, although football is loved the world over its got its detractors, and its certain individuals attitudes that help entrench the detractors opinions, we all love football and all that goes with it, but at the moment its insignificant. agree and despite the fact they are thinking of extending the season if the virus gets much worse the decision to complete the season will be taken out of footballs hand. as it should be
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 23, 2020 15:35:00 GMT 1
A decision will be made soon enough but I genuinely doubt we will see football live now for months if at all this year. The numbers are following Italy and with a 12 wk lockdown for the most at risk it's hard to see any live watchable football this side of july/aug and that's at best.The only way they can finish this season now and leave the next relatively untouched would be to play behind closed doors and that will only work for the top flight surely? Even playing behind closed doors, you have 22 people, plus subs, plus managers and coaches plus stadium staff all pretty close together. Don’t see how you could allow that, given the current guidance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 17:13:35 GMT 1
A decision will be made soon enough but I genuinely doubt we will see football live now for months if at all this year. The numbers are following Italy and with a 12 wk lockdown for the most at risk it's hard to see any live watchable football this side of july/aug and that's at best.The only way they can finish this season now and leave the next relatively untouched would be to play behind closed doors and that will only work for the top flight surely? Even playing behind closed doors, you have 22 people, plus subs, plus managers and coaches plus stadium staff all pretty close together. Don’t see how you could allow that, given the current guidance. New rules... ...free kicks are no longer allowed to be defended with a wall? ...all attackers must wait outside the penalty area when corners are being taken? ...players who think they’re so badly injured that they have to lay prone on the pitch and cause a stoppage rather than jogging to the sideline for treatment are subject to an immediate 7 day isolation period.
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