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Post by detox on Jun 30, 2020 9:42:22 GMT 1
I've not advocated they be sacked, just speculating on what others might do..the Wigan game was pivotal though, a must win game which would have seen us joint 17th with Charlton...to turn in the performance we did, with practically the whole team looking out of sorts has to be down the management. Or perhaps something that happened 90 minutes before the game which was beyond the Cowleys' control. ?
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Post by bigtruck on Jun 30, 2020 9:58:24 GMT 1
I agree in part. But the same could be said of keeping them on too long if/when it’s obvious they can’t improve us a la Siewart. Do we never learn could be equally applicable. Keeping them too long? Jesus Christ they inherited a complete bloody shambles here and but for them we would have been all but relegated by Christmas. Even if we go down there are no better candidates to take over. The fact that some clowns think they should have been dumped in favour of Warnock just beggars belief. Leave them alone and let them get on with it. Just to be clear I’m not in the sack then now clan, just the same Cliche tripe reasoning gets rolled out everytime. More is lost by indecision than wrong decision.
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Post by iangreaves on Jun 30, 2020 10:00:48 GMT 1
Or perhaps something that happened 90 minutes before the game which was beyond the Cowleys' control. ? Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind.
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Post by detox on Jun 30, 2020 10:15:57 GMT 1
Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind. No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 10:36:03 GMT 1
I agree in part. But the same could be said of keeping them on too long if/when it’s obvious they can’t improve us a la Siewart. Do we never learn could be equally applicable. Keeping them too long? Jesus Christ they inherited a complete bloody shambles here and but for them we would have been all but relegated by Christmas. Even if we go down there are no better candidates to take over. The fact that some clowns think they should have been dumped in favour of Warnock just beggars belief. Leave them alone and let them get on with it. well said as much as I have the greatest respect for Neil the cowleys have to be in charge next season if its in league 1 so be it if they decide to leave that's there choice but they certainly shoudnt be sacked by town that is absurd despite the uncertainty of which division we will be in and despite some on here who say the club is a shambles there is lots going on in regards to new players and players out and we need continuity more than ever
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 30, 2020 10:40:04 GMT 1
I agree in part. But the same could be said of keeping them on too long if/when it’s obvious they can’t improve us a la Siewart. Do we never learn could be equally applicable. Keeping them too long? Jesus Christ they inherited a complete bloody shambles here and but for them we would have been all but relegated by Christmas. Even if we go down there are no better candidates to take over. The fact that some clowns think they should have been dumped in favour of Warnock just beggars belief. Leave them alone and let them get on with it. It's too late now he's at Boro but you'd rather be in League 1 with the Rons in charge than the Championship with Colin ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 10:49:13 GMT 1
Keeping them too long? Jesus Christ they inherited a complete bloody shambles here and but for them we would have been all but relegated by Christmas. Even if we go down there are no better candidates to take over. The fact that some clowns think they should have been dumped in favour of Warnock just beggars belief. Leave them alone and let them get on with it. It's too late now he's at Boro but you'd rather be in League 1 with the Rons in charge than the Championship with Colin ? of course most people would like us to stay up but even with Neil there would be no guarantee and that's from someone who knows neil and I do think he will keep boro up but time will tell but I'm sure in my mind that the cowleys have to be in charge whatever next season lands us
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Post by sandgrounder on Jun 30, 2020 11:04:14 GMT 1
Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind. No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. £30k if the Cowleys thought he was needed it’s a small price in the grand scheme of things for Championship status is it not??
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 30, 2020 11:18:18 GMT 1
Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind. No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. Annoyed them? They had every right to be livid. We were preparing for a vital relegation game - nothing at all should have been allowed to hamper those preparations.
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Post by iangreaves on Jun 30, 2020 11:20:04 GMT 1
Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind. No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. I wouldn't have been keeping Simpson for next season either. I think it's more the effect on the team's heads for the Wigan game. Simpson appears to be popular in the dressing room. Bromby had agreed to pay him for playing an extra month. Just before kick-off Bromby tells him he won't be paid after all. Perhaps the players minds were elsewhere at kick-off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 11:35:30 GMT 1
No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. Annoyed them? They had every right to be livid. We were preparing for a vital relegation game - nothing at all should have been allowed to hamper those preparations. you are right it shoudnt and it was handled badly but it was the right decision
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 30, 2020 11:39:02 GMT 1
No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. I wouldn't have been keeping Simpson for next season either. I think it's more the effect on the team's heads for the Wigan game. Simpson appears to be popular in the dressing room. Bromby had agreed to pay him for playing an extra month. Just before kick-off Bromby tells him he won't be paid after all. Perhaps the players minds were elsewhere at kick-off. but don't forget that Simpson had previously agreed to play for no extra money - as had the others. He changed his agreement by asking for an extra month on the Friday night before the game. Bromby agreed (which sounded pitifully weak to me when Simpson was trying it on) and was overruled on Saturday morning and righly so. The timing stinks and Bromby will no doubt learn from this mess.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 30, 2020 12:25:02 GMT 1
I wouldn't have been keeping Simpson for next season either. I think it's more the effect on the team's heads for the Wigan game. Simpson appears to be popular in the dressing room. Bromby had agreed to pay him for playing an extra month. Just before kick-off Bromby tells him he won't be paid after all. Perhaps the players minds were elsewhere at kick-off. but don't forget that Simpson had previously agreed to play for no extra money - as had the others. He changed his agreement by asking for an extra month on the Friday night before the game. Bromby agreed (which sounded pitifully weak to me when Simpson was trying it on) and was overruled on Saturday morning and righly so. The timing stinks and Bromby will no doubt learn from this mess. It does seem to be one persons error that a few are twisting to be Phil and the club in general making a massive mistake. The club have made the right decision, Bromby should not have been agreeing to something like that at all and should have told him it wasn't happening on Friday night, at worst that he would discuss it and let him know. To be fair they've probably got back to him as soon as the decision was made if he was that bothered he shouldn't have been asking the question the night before a big game. Simpson isn't going to define whether we stay up or not so the quicker everyone moves on from this the better.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 30, 2020 12:39:19 GMT 1
Annoyed them? They had every right to be livid. We were preparing for a vital relegation game - nothing at all should have been allowed to hamper those preparations. you are right it shoudnt and it was handled badly but it was the right decision Right decision, wrong time
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jun 30, 2020 12:53:28 GMT 1
Keeping them too long? Jesus Christ they inherited a complete bloody shambles here and but for them we would have been all but relegated by Christmas. Even if we go down there are no better candidates to take over. The fact that some clowns think they should have been dumped in favour of Warnock just beggars belief. Leave them alone and let them get on with it. It's too late now he's at Boro but you'd rather be in League 1 with the Rons in charge than the Championship with Colin ? I'm not saying that at all. I just happen to think that replacing the Cowleys at this stage will do nothing to improve our survival chances.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 30, 2020 13:13:58 GMT 1
What a strange thread, just when you need cohesion, let's throw some more shite and uncertainty into the ether...
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Post by clayts on Jun 30, 2020 13:21:51 GMT 1
I wouldn't have been keeping Simpson for next season either. I think it's more the effect on the team's heads for the Wigan game. Simpson appears to be popular in the dressing room. Bromby had agreed to pay him for playing an extra month. Just before kick-off Bromby tells him he won't be paid after all. Perhaps the players minds were elsewhere at kick-off. but don't forget that Simpson had previously agreed to play for no extra money - as had the others. He changed his agreement by asking for an extra month on the Friday night before the game. Bromby agreed (which sounded pitifully weak to me when Simpson was trying it on) and was overruled on Saturday morning and righly so. The timing stinks and Bromby will no doubt learn from this mess. Asking to be paid for July you mean, when he was supposed to be playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 13:42:22 GMT 1
but don't forget that Simpson had previously agreed to play for no extra money - as had the others. He changed his agreement by asking for an extra month on the Friday night before the game. Bromby agreed (which sounded pitifully weak to me when Simpson was trying it on) and was overruled on Saturday morning and righly so. The timing stinks and Bromby will no doubt learn from this mess. Asking to be paid for July you mean, when he was supposed to be playing.
Did he give us half his wage back while not playing for the last 3 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 13:43:04 GMT 1
It's well known that we interviewed Neil Harris for the job just before the Cowleys came back into the fold after the initial 'no thanks', given he's turned Cardiff around and they look booked for the play offs, I wonder how he'd have fared in the JSS hot-seat?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 13:55:12 GMT 1
Not a good look in the current situation
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Post by iangreaves on Jun 30, 2020 13:57:03 GMT 1
It's well known that we interviewed Neil Harris for the job just before the Cowleys came back into the fold after the initial 'no thanks', given he's turned Cardiff around and they look booked for the play offs, I wonder how he'd have fared in the JSS hot-seat? He would have had the same shite to deal with. There has been a bad smell about the club for a couple of years. Jesus would struggle to revive us.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 30, 2020 14:02:56 GMT 1
It's well known that we interviewed Neil Harris for the job just before the Cowleys came back into the fold after the initial 'no thanks', given he's turned Cardiff around and they look booked for the play offs, I wonder how he'd have fared in the JSS hot-seat? He would have had the same shite to deal with. There has been a bad smell about the club for a couple of years. Jesus would struggle to revive us. At least he would have been OK if the fans wanted to crucify him...
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Post by Floyds on Jun 30, 2020 14:30:51 GMT 1
Anyone would struggle with the shower we have "playing" for us. That's not to say others wouldn't have done better (or worse).
As someone else said, would you have felt more confident staying up with Warnock for the last 7 games or the Cowleys?
That ship has sailed, but I know my answer to that.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 30, 2020 14:58:44 GMT 1
It's well known that we interviewed Neil Harris for the job just before the Cowleys came back into the fold after the initial 'no thanks', given he's turned Cardiff around and they look booked for the play offs, I wonder how he'd have fared in the JSS hot-seat? Probably similarly to the Cowley's. I thought we were dead and buried after we lost at the Hawthorne's. They did much to lighten the mood and blow away some of the dark clouds, not all of them though and some new ones are starting to appear in the horizon.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 30, 2020 15:19:01 GMT 1
but don't forget that Simpson had previously agreed to play for no extra money - as had the others. He changed his agreement by asking for an extra month on the Friday night before the game. Bromby agreed (which sounded pitifully weak to me when Simpson was trying it on) and was overruled on Saturday morning and righly so. The timing stinks and Bromby will no doubt learn from this mess. Asking to be paid for July you mean, when he was supposed to be playing. He wanted paying for a month on top of that. When he wouldn't be playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 15:32:09 GMT 1
Not a good look in the current situation In what way? They've been relegated and have a winding-up petition due to be heard at the end of July - getting rid of wages has to be a priority, and its easier to release managers than players.
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Post by clayts on Jun 30, 2020 16:38:39 GMT 1
Asking to be paid for July you mean, when he was supposed to be playing. He wanted paying for a month on top of that. When he wouldn't be playing. His severance pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 16:42:14 GMT 1
No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. £30k if the Cowleys thought he was needed it’s a small price in the grand scheme of things for Championship status is it not?? £30k x 4 if the rumours about his salary are correct. On top of that you can add in a month's wages for the rest of the squad, who would surely have demanded the same deal as Simpson? Now you're looking at around £1m extra wages for the club to fork out, just because Simpson went back on his word and asked for more.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 30, 2020 17:35:58 GMT 1
He wanted paying for a month on top of that. When he wouldn't be playing. His severance pay. You said "he wanted paying for July, when he'd be playing". He was offered that, he wanted a month on top at the last minute which no other player wanted. Give it to him and then they all want it or you upset numerous other players by just giving it to him.
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Post by clayts on Jun 30, 2020 18:40:58 GMT 1
You said "he wanted paying for July, when he'd be playing". He was offered that, he wanted a month on top at the last minute which no other player wanted. Give it to him and then they all want it or you upset numerous other players by just giving it to him. Sorry Phil.
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