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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jun 30, 2020 19:05:10 GMT 1
Simpson, who was previously told that he would be paid for playing an extra month, was told that the club had changed its mind. No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. ...the clubs finances and the lockdown have put us in strange times..
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Post by Amigo on Jun 30, 2020 19:10:06 GMT 1
You said "he wanted paying for July, when he'd be playing". He was offered that, he wanted a month on top at the last minute which no other player wanted. Give it to him and then they all want it or you upset numerous other players by just giving it to him. Sorry Phil. No problem brains.
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Post by sandgrounder on Jun 30, 2020 19:32:47 GMT 1
You said "he wanted paying for July, when he'd be playing". He was offered that, he wanted a month on top at the last minute which no other player wanted. Give it to him and then they all want it or you upset numerous other players by just giving it to him. No it was £30k for the month of July as quoted . And whilst I get the principal players cut their own deals and there will be significant differences in pay packets in our dressing room already. Deferrals wise it may be the same % but the starting numbers will be very different player by player. Top and bottom of it the Cowleys have said they wanted him to stay. So they haven’t been backed. Irrespective Bromby has been undermined or can’t back up his own decision making, either way, that’s a worry from the get go. Damage done now. Same with offering contracts why are we different than other clubs? We can offer revised terms and those that we think will reflect the new norm and be that Championship or League One. If we have a few spare £££ we could do with someone on the PR side as it’s been a disaster for everyone’s confidence.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 30, 2020 22:08:56 GMT 1
You said "he wanted paying for July, when he'd be playing". He was offered that, he wanted a month on top at the last minute which no other player wanted. Give it to him and then they all want it or you upset numerous other players by just giving it to him. No it was £30k for the month of July as quoted . And whilst I get the principal players cut their own deals and there will be significant differences in pay packets in our dressing room already. Deferrals wise it may be the same % but the starting numbers will be very different player by player. Top and bottom of it the Cowleys have said they wanted him to stay. So they haven’t been backed. Irrespective Bromby has been undermined or can’t back up his own decision making, either way, that’s a worry from the get go. Damage done now. Same with offering contracts why are we different than other clubs? We can offer revised terms and those that we think will reflect the new norm and be that Championship or League One. If we have a few spare £££ we could do with someone on the PR side as it’s been a disaster for everyone’s confidence. You sure? I'm only going off what Maynard said but that was that players agreed to extend their contracts to the end of July and were being paid an extra month for that. He decides on the Friday night before the game he wants an extra months wage on top of that. If anything him being on a bigger wage than most just looks worse for him demanding extra money. Like I said before, Simpson isn't going to determine whether we stay up or not anyway. I'm not sure PR has anything to do with it, just seems like Bromby has made a mistake in agreeing to a request like that when he should have just said no in the first place. As for the contracts situation, problem is there will be some players we'd want to keep in the Championship and others we'd keep only in League 1. How do you explain to a player, yes we can give you a contract if we get relegated but if we stay up we think we can find someone better? You'll end up with players wanting to get relegated to make sure they get a contract. Or you give contracts to some players and the others are thinking if I'm leaving in a few weeks do I need to go in to that challenge and risk injury when I'm not going to be here?
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jun 30, 2020 22:41:56 GMT 1
I cant believe that some people wanted Warnock to come back, didn't he say 3/4 years back that he wouldn't come back to Huddersfield.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 30, 2020 23:03:52 GMT 1
I cant believe that some people wanted Warnock to come back, didn't he say 3/4 years back that he wouldn't come back to Huddersfield. I don't recall him saying anything like that, but Cowleys aren't the problem. As for Simpson, it seems to me that he tried it on thinking we were desperate and the club were caught unprepared. Called his bluff but didn't handle it well. Mistakes happen. Priority has to be stopping the rot, regardless of which division we're in next season.
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Post by detox on Jul 1, 2020 9:33:23 GMT 1
so for clarity,has Simpson gone or is he still with us ?
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Post by detox on Jul 1, 2020 9:34:45 GMT 1
No loss, in my opinion..but if the Cowleys were hoping to include him I can see that decision (taken from above?) might annoy them..but at the end of the day the clubs finances and covid have put us in strange times.. ...the clubs finances and the lockdown have put us in strange times.. ...and what was the reason for the lockdown
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Post by clayts on Jul 1, 2020 9:45:57 GMT 1
I cant believe that some people wanted Warnock to come back, didn't he say 3/4 years back that he wouldn't come back to Huddersfield. No. He almost came back in 2012 when Grayson was appointed.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 1, 2020 10:17:52 GMT 1
I cant believe that some people wanted Warnock to come back, didn't he say 3/4 years back that he wouldn't come back to Huddersfield. No. He almost came back in 2012 when Grayson was appointed. Yup. Sat down for a cuppa with Dean but preferred to opt for them monkeys down the road
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Post by clayts on Jul 1, 2020 10:40:12 GMT 1
No. He almost came back in 2012 when Grayson was appointed. Yup. Sat down for a cuppa with Dean but preferred to opt for them monkeys down the road More money was offered by those down the road.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 1, 2020 10:43:46 GMT 1
Yeah I think old Batesy wooed him With his charm in Monaco
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 1, 2020 11:48:45 GMT 1
Most of towns players are massively under performing under the Cowleys which is an ongoing situation from those departed before him , and Warnock has proven abllity and history of bringing the best out of the players.
A poor struggling Boro side were no better than town over the second half of this season but feel they will survive under Warnock..
One thing i have come to accept over my 50 odd years following football is that a manager is only as good as his results in what is a results business .
Just hope Hoyle holds back his due loan return payments if town are relegated as this money will be vital for re building and the clubs future.
Always feel the club are in safe hands as long as Hoyle is still involved in club matters as he holds all the the aces mainly in his bank account
Little or no room for error v Brum as the players need to show the same passion as shown by our wonderful fans
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Post by rokerite on Jul 1, 2020 19:54:35 GMT 1
I'd presume sacking the Cowleys now would cost the club a couple of million. The Cowleys took some wooing and will have certainly ensured an early divorce would see them financially sound. But the money doesn't really matter, what matters is they are an outstanding management team. Mr Hodgkinson is to be praised for bringing them to the club. Huddersfield Town might go down this season but the Cowleys will leave the club in a far better state than they found it providing Mr Hodgkinson isn't foolish enough to show them the door. If there is unrest behind the scenes that is all the more reason to stand behind the Cowleys. They will be the men to clean out the stables and put a squad together to make Huddersfield supporters proud. This must be Mrs Cowley posting as I don’t think I have seen anything to give me a glimmer of hope that the two chuckle brothers can build a squad to make the fans proud. If you put things in perspective who would you rather have in charge for the last 7 games Mr Warnock or the Cowleys? I know who I would have and I don’t even like NW Hubby says "is that more like it?" Taken a step back from the brink tonight perhaps?
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Post by Amigo on Jul 1, 2020 20:04:37 GMT 1
This must be Mrs Cowley posting as I don’t think I have seen anything to give me a glimmer of hope that the two chuckle brothers can build a squad to make the fans proud. If you put things in perspective who would you rather have in charge for the last 7 games Mr Warnock or the Cowleys? I know who I would have and I don’t even like NW Hubby says "is that more like it?" Taken a step back from the brink tonight perhaps? To be fair they never were on the brink just Readingterrier decided to post some bullshit rumour that even the source of the rumour removed a couple of hours later.
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 1, 2020 21:38:46 GMT 1
This must be Mrs Cowley posting as I don’t think I have seen anything to give me a glimmer of hope that the two chuckle brothers can build a squad to make the fans proud. If you put things in perspective who would you rather have in charge for the last 7 games Mr Warnock or the Cowleys? I know who I would have and I don’t even like NW Hubby says "is that more like it?" Taken a step back from the brink tonight perhaps? It is a step in the right direction. However, we have an awful habit of going from the sublime to the ridiculous, so will defer judgement till after the next 2 games which are winnable, as actually are the 2 after those. Preston, Reading, Luton, Sheffield Weds. Looking for at least 7 points from those which might be enough to not have to sweat over the final 2 games, WBA and Millwall. UTT!
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 2, 2020 8:23:56 GMT 1
Personally I'm deferring judgment until we know for certain which division we are in next season.
Actually, beyond that. Whichever division we start in next season, if results and performances next season are anything like they were at the start of this one (I don't think they will be) then I will consider my judgment made.
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Post by softboy on Jul 2, 2020 8:30:01 GMT 1
At a time when this site has gone into "serious "meltdown" about the Cowley's I think it is just worth pointing out we have taken 9 points from the last 6 games including Leeds and Forest away from home (1st & 4th presently) and the current form team of division (Wigan) who have not lost for 9 games and not conceded in the last 6.
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 2, 2020 9:04:48 GMT 1
At a time when this site has gone into "serious "meltdown" about the Cowley's I think it is just worth pointing out we have taken 9 points from the last 6 games including Leeds and Forest away from home (1st & 4th presently) and the current form team of division (Wigan) who have not lost for 9 games and not conceded in the last 6. 9 from the next 6 would come in very handy
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Post by skoda on Jul 2, 2020 23:15:25 GMT 1
Cowley has to stay, they will build a good squad given time and will be successful both here and when they move onto a bigger job. Every team they have managed previously has been left in a better place than when they arrived. We just need to let them bring there own players in. For what it worth I think they keep us up this season. Then have us in play offs next season
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Post by Wings of a Duff on Jul 3, 2020 0:42:56 GMT 1
This hread got me thinking, have we ever had any success with a Southern manager ? A modicum with some gadge called Herbert Chapman but less with Malcolm MacDaonald and Chris Powell Wagner didn't do too bad in his first 2 years, he was from further South than Powell or the Cowleys.
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Post by muffinman on Jul 3, 2020 2:58:12 GMT 1
Seems like people's gripe with them is A) they're unproven at this level and B) a fair bit of the football this season has been less than flattering. You could also add C) they're southern.
My two penneth is I'm more than happy to try unproven talent as the alternative more than likely wouldn't produce the football or success people want to see at our club as anyone worth their salt at this level is more than likely in a job.
On the football front, it's hardly surprising that we frequently regress into previous habits as we still have the same squad and it was such a sustained period of decline. Aside from the opposition being better than us, the last 2 matches also showed to me that our squad relies on that built up confidence that stringing results together brings which was wiped clean by the break.
Its been a salvage job so far for the brothers and I dont think it's fair to judge them on the current state of team when they were at such a disadvantage when they came in (1 point on the board and the mess off the pitch and in the dressing room)
Did anyone expect us to stay up when we sacked Siewart? I certainly didn't!
It will be devastating if we go down but either way, it will be a new start next season and I'm looking forward to what that entails with the Cowleys at the vanguard of that.
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Post by griffa on Jul 3, 2020 9:18:47 GMT 1
Seems like people's gripe with them is A) they're unproven at this level and B) a fair bit of the football this season has been less than flattering. You could also add C) they're southern. My two penneth is I'm more than happy to try unproven talent as the alternative more than likely wouldn't produce the football or success people want to see at our club as anyone worth their salt at this level is more than likely in a job. On the football front, it's hardly surprising that we frequently regress into previous habits as we still have the same squad and it was such a sustained period of decline. Aside from the opposition being better than us, the last 2 matches also showed to me that our squad relies on that built up confidence that stringing results together brings which was wiped clean by the break. Its been a salvage job so far for the brothers and I dont think it's fair to judge them on the current state of team when they were at such a disadvantage when they came in (1 point on the board and the mess off the pitch and in the dressing room) Did anyone expect us to stay up when we sacked Siewart? I certainly didn't! It will be devastating if we go down but either way, it will be a new start next season and I'm looking forward to what that entails with the Cowleys at the vanguard of that. Good points well made muffinman! The 1 point on the board appears to forgotten by many Town fans. This season is about survival. I like Danny & Nicky Cowley, give them a break. The damage was done well before they joined, by messers Hoyle & Wagner - UTT.
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Post by softboy on Jul 3, 2020 10:00:12 GMT 1
As I see it the Cowley's have take 44 points from 34 games (which would equate to just under 60 for a pro rata full season). With 6 games left I have worked back and calculated how many points we have gained in batches of 6 games. So here goes: 29 - 34 (9 points) 23 - 28 (7 points) 17 - 22 (7 points) 11 - 16 (6 points) 5 - 10 (11 points) 1 - 4 (4 points) less games
Given the turmoil that preceded them I think this is reasonably consistent And comforting (hopefully) non of those spells has seen an average of less than a point a game.
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 10, 2020 20:03:59 GMT 1
If there was ever a 90 minute performance that deserves the sack then it was that one we just witnessed against Luton.. should be gone by the morning
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Post by Wingman on Jul 10, 2020 20:08:12 GMT 1
They won’t be. PH will stand by them. Maybe come the Summer things will change, regardless of the division we are in.
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 10, 2020 20:11:43 GMT 1
I honestly don’t think it matters who the manager is with this group of wasters it’s an impossible job for anyone.Until they’ve all been shipped out,every single one of them we will struggle to win enough games they accept defeat like it’s nothing and have done for 2 years. If/when we get relegated and any of these people are here we will get relegated again, the stench of defeat is all over them,every single one of them.
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Post by Moooooy on Jul 10, 2020 20:12:59 GMT 1
The lack of a playing style is very worrying, they’ve done an ok job but the style of football is awful. Really awful. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt if we stay up, because we were in a terrible position when they joined, but I expect a huge improvement in the style of play. That said, I’m not bothered whether they stay or go right now.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 10, 2020 20:13:06 GMT 1
first time I've honestly thought they should go and go before the phone in ends.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 10, 2020 20:20:15 GMT 1
Where’s the guy from Lincoln who told us every week for months how much he worshipped them and how they would sort us out?
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