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Post by bluestripe on Jul 10, 2020 23:56:10 GMT 1
Maybe you've been lucky enough not to be visited by the grim reaper at the end of your hospital bed. Suspect if you had you may put a football club, with the associated stress and grief that it gives you, into a little bit of context and concentrate on getting healthy and enjoying life again. Could have sold the club and not pocketed its income. Bullshit, he was a hero and he has left us in the shit. Illness or not Have you actually put yoursen in Hoyle's shoes and thought through how he would do that? He would be gifting £60m of his money for somebody else to p@ss up a wall on a football club with no control of how it is spent and zero chance of ever seeing it again. What would stop Hodgkinson keeping the money in the Town bank account and emptying the bank account and selling to the next owner for £1? Hoyle would have to be off his rocker to do anything like this. If he truly wanted to give his £60m away to the club, he would need to set up some sort of trust to administer. Maybe you could have been a trustee, Big Ern, to spend his money wisely
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 11, 2020 0:01:25 GMT 1
Could have sold the club and not pocketed its income. Bullshit, he was a hero and he has left us in the shit. Illness or not Have you actually put yoursen in Hoyle's shoes and thought through how he would do that? He would be gifting £60m of his money for somebody else to p@ss up a wall on a football club with no control of how it is spent and zero chance of ever seeing it again. What would stop Hodgkinson keeping the money in the Town bank account and emptying the bank account and selling to the next owner for £1? Hoyle would have to be off his rocker to do anything like this. If he truly wanted to give his £60m away to the club, he would need to set up some sort of trust to administer. Maybe you could have been a trustee, Big Ern, to spend his money wisely If he took his money from a proper sale of the club, how would he be gifting the club £60m???
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Post by dirtysteve on Jul 11, 2020 0:17:26 GMT 1
Get rid. Like a puppet show, one following the other. I fail to see how they can make us a better team. We’re dog shit, and lost to a Luton team that are truly woeful. Not only are we shit but we’re boring to watch. We are playing league 1 football in the championship, we deserve to go down. There are some serious questions that need addressing. If the Cowleys are setting up to get a 0-0 draw against Luton at home who are rock bottom, there’s something drastically wrong about that. Out of their depth.......
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 11, 2020 1:13:37 GMT 1
Get rid. Like a puppet show, one following the other. I fail to see how they can make us a better team. We’re dog shit, and lost to a Luton team that are truly woeful. Not only are we shit but we’re boring to watch. We are playing league 1 football in the championship, we deserve to go down. There are some serious questions that need addressing. If the Cowleys are setting up to get a 0-0 draw against Luton at home who are rock bottom, there’s something drastically wrong about that. Out of their depth....... League 1 football and below is all the Cowley’s know about. They are, as I’ve always feared, out of their depth.
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Post by willo on Jul 11, 2020 1:55:05 GMT 1
The Cowleys were my first choice after we sacked Wagner so I was delighted when they were appointed after the car crash that was Jan Siewart. However, I am now starting to wonder whether they are out of their depth at this level, as many have already suggested, or whether it is just that the club is in a mess from top to bottom and that they are caught up in it all. It would be utterly pointless to get rid now (and I don’t believe you get anywhere by chopping & changing managers every 12-18 months) and one thing those that are always ready to press the self-destruct button at the first sign of trouble forget is that someone has to come in to replace an outgoing manager and I genuinely wouldn’t know where to go next. We’ve tried the foreign option, the young “up and coming” manager(s); do we go back to a tried and tested man who would at least stabilise us in the short term? I’m still hopeful the Cowleys can turn this ship around but a massive (no pun intended!) improvement is required v Shef Wednesday next week and the players can start by actually looking like they want to keep the club in the Championship.
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Post by detox on Jul 11, 2020 4:23:44 GMT 1
Trouble for the Cowleys is they thought they had found a successful way of playing to pick up points..and thought it a good idea to stay with it against bottom club Luton. You'd have thought Wigan was the equivalent of Wagner Spurs moment, where he finally list confidence in the method which had served us so well before. Wigan, and Preston more so was the build up to last night's tactical masterstroke.
Such a lack of ideas would suggest the Cowleys are indeed out of their depth
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 11, 2020 8:29:44 GMT 1
I dont believe they set out for a 0 0 last night, I just think they dont know what else to do or how to change it when it starts going wrong.
They are trying to win but trying to win playing out and out attacking football is simply not what they are about, certainly not in the championship. Maybe the step up in leagues and quality of players has made them more cautious.
As angry as I am about the whole debacle for some reason last night was not a surprise and the ridiculous thing is they need to learn and as mad as it seems we might need to keep them and give them that opportunity. I am not sure paying them off and trying some other manager is the answer.
Danny talks a good game off the field but now needs to start getting results and performances.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jul 11, 2020 9:38:44 GMT 1
I dont believe they set out for a 0 0 last night, I just think they dont know what else to do or how to change it when it starts going wrong. They are trying to win but trying to win playing out and out attacking football is simply not what they are about, certainly not in the championship. Maybe the step up in leagues and quality of players has made them more cautious. As angry as I am about the whole debacle for some reason last night was not a surprise and the ridiculous thing is they need to learn and as mad as it seems we might need to keep them and give them that opportunity. I am not sure paying them off and trying some other manager is the answer. Danny talks a good game off the field but now needs to start getting results and performances.He certainly does however... He reminds me of an art or food critic. They can articulate thousands of words about theory and practice however give them a brush or a spoon and all their words count for ZERO as their painting or cooking is no better than yours or mine. I hope I'm wrong as at this moment in time we need the Cowleys to produce the goods.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 11, 2020 9:50:16 GMT 1
I hope they pull us out of it, but it has to be questionable as to whether that's them or us being fortunate that at least three other clubs are performing worse.
It doesn't feel like it has the spirit of the Jacko escape, or similar ones at other clubs, Pearson at Leicester etc.
If we do stay up, they've a huge monkey on their back for next season & they need to prove themselves sharpish.
I don't get the blaming the whole club thing. The Mgr and players should be able to segregate themselves from that. They have the best and most highly paid jobs at the club. All they have to is train hard and work out the best way of knocking a round piece of leather for 90 mins a week...
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 11, 2020 13:09:21 GMT 1
Not Cowleys fault this shitstorm
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Post by impact on Jul 11, 2020 13:11:53 GMT 1
Not Cowleys fault this shitstorm Well whose is it? This isn't a squad which can't create anything from open play, and yet we haven't.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jul 11, 2020 13:25:23 GMT 1
My biggest annoyance with the Cowleys is their stubbornness to not switch it up and their lack of a “Plan B” (and potentially A).
50 minutes into a game against bottom, worst defence in the league, 1-0 down, no attacking threat or chances created up to that point and what do we do? A like for like change. Followed by another two like for like changes. Followed again...by a like for like change.
No change in setup. No change in approach. Nothing. And what happened? A repeat of what happened in the first 50 minutes.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 11, 2020 13:26:32 GMT 1
Not Cowleys fault this shitstorm Agree the overall rot isn’t their fault - however - the next few games will show us if they’ve got the mettle to get this job done....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 13:37:26 GMT 1
Absolutely. They have 3 games to show they can motivate a team and find any sort of system where we look like we have a gameplan.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2020 13:50:52 GMT 1
He's got the monogrammed kit already. Get him in! That would be the final insult to the fans seeing him take over first team affairs. Would an accountant do worse than 2 PE teachers 🤔
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 11, 2020 14:58:47 GMT 1
I hope they pull us out of it, but it has to be questionable as to whether that's them or us being fortunate that at least three other clubs are performing worse. It doesn't feel like it has the spirit of the Jacko escape, or similar ones at other clubs, Pearson at Leicester etc. If we do stay up, they've a huge monkey on their back for next season & they need to prove themselves sharpish. I don't get the blaming the whole club thing. The Mgr and players should be able to segregate themselves from that. They have the best and most highly paid jobs at the club. All they have to is train hard and work out the best way of knocking a round piece of leather for 90 mins a week... The players and the managers aren't totally blameless in all this but we've just come out if the PL there is no way we should be in this position not that I can see anyway. Fulham and Cardiff are in contention for the play offs, so why aren't we?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 15:00:27 GMT 1
On the plus side, no one will be looking to poach the Cowley's off us this close season. I think we will beat West Brom and Wednesday.
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Post by rantinray on Jul 11, 2020 16:43:39 GMT 1
No point firing them for me it’s the players who need to go unfortunately we’re stuck with most of them.We got to hope that there are clubs out as stupid as us who want to sign them honestly it would be worth just paying their contracts off and promoting the U18 squad,this lot will relegate us from L1 whoever the manager is. Offloading the players who are not going to fit into whatever system we adopt will be neigh on impossible.
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Post by crux on Jul 11, 2020 17:04:46 GMT 1
My biggest annoyance with the Cowleys is their stubbornness to not switch it up and their lack of a “Plan B” (and potentially A). 50 minutes into a game against bottom, worst defence in the league, 1-0 down, no attacking threat or chances created up to that point and what do we do? A like for like change. Followed by another two like for like changes. Followed again...by a like for like change. No change in setup. No change in approach. Nothing. And what happened? A repeat of what happened in the first 50 minutes. I'd be delighted if we actually had a plan A. There doesn't actually seem to be a plan on how to score a goal in open play. We had a back 4 and 2 defensive midfield players. The other four players included a winger who can't or won't cross the ball. A centre forward who gives everything but doesn't score many goals. Our top scorer who looks like he signed for another club in the lockdown and is trying his hardest not to get injured - even his penalties are now crap. Our best hope to create anything is a young kid from Arsenal who can't really play two games a week.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 11, 2020 17:14:09 GMT 1
The rot is not the Cowleys fault however the diabolical level of performance is. If we showed an ounce of intent yesterday it could have been different but it was so apethetic, again!
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Post by joburgjon on Jul 11, 2020 17:39:01 GMT 1
When they first came in I was delighted.
Up to Mid March I was happy with how things were going, thought we were going to stay up comfortably and was excited to see what the future held.
Since the return to play we have been very, very, very poor. We've not looked like scoring once and the brothers have looked lost.
For me, regardless of whether we stay up or go down, I hope they stay in charge.
BUT......The summer transfer activity is massive for them and will dictate their success.
Loads of players from the current match day squad need to leave. Loan players going back, players contracts not being renewed and player sales. I recon a lot of players will be sold on the cheap and all we'll here is that it's undisclosed and we got a good deal. It's needs to be a massive and quick clear out
It's then vitally important who we get in. Personally, I'm not bothered if we don't spend a single penny in transfer fees. There's gonna be a lot of really good players who are going to be released from clubs one way or another. What's important is that we get quality, experienced players in. Players who have had success over the last few season. Players that the Cowley's 100% want and are able to build an Identity and Style of play with. The first team squad on the first day of next season needs to look very very different to yesterday's squad.
If we are able to shift the majority of yesterday's squad, bring in quality players that the Cowley's really want and integrate some of the talented youngsters we have at the club, then I believe the Cowley's will bring success to the club.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 11, 2020 17:40:44 GMT 1
They were massively to blame for last night.
They've improved us since siewert but let's face it Terry the terrier could have done that.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 11, 2020 17:46:24 GMT 1
No point firing them for me it’s the players who need to go unfortunately we’re stuck with most of them.We got to hope that there are clubs out as stupid as us who want to sign them honestly it would be worth just paying their contracts off and promoting the U18 squad,this lot will relegate us from L1 whoever the manager is. Offloading the players who are not going to fit into whatever system we adopt will be neigh on impossible. Aye they need sending to the knacker's yard.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 11, 2020 20:05:25 GMT 1
Not Cowleys fault this shitstorm Well whose is it? This isn't a squad which can't create anything from open play, and yet we haven't. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Clubs who have come down from premiership who have not had the parachute payments ripped away have struggled to get to grips with the championship due to overpayed unmotivated squads who have got used to losing. The club as been placed in a shitstorm by having the parachute payments taken away , the manager is the least of our problems. If you were PH and you’d asked DH to delay the date for one of the large payments ( parachute ) due to covid 19 sitution what would you expect the answer to be.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2020 11:22:52 GMT 1
If we sack Cowleys, who comes in to replace them?
Who can we attract whose CV suggests the capability to bring success with fuck all money (we're screwed already & sacking the Cowleys may prove expensive) and a squad of players - many of whom downed tools some time ago?
We're in a mess, and regardless of which division we're in next season, and regardless of who is in charge, I think things are going to get worse for another year or 2 before they get better.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Jul 13, 2020 11:38:23 GMT 1
Regardless of our final league position I wouldn't be surprised if they were to walk away. They'll still have plenty of admirers at League 1 / bottom of the Championship level. Regardless of what league we are in we'll still be in a mess and if they had any sense they will jump
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Post by bogart on Jul 13, 2020 11:47:53 GMT 1
Why would they walk? They are here to prove something. No chance of us sacking them unless Phil finds a crock of gold. I personally would not want them to be removed but the DC interviews all take the same format. Effort but no result blah blah blah. The sooner he calls out a lot of the useless sods the sooner we can move on.
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Post by atowninessex on Jul 13, 2020 11:51:46 GMT 1
i don't know if they are out of their depth, but it certainly looked like it against luton, why not start with mounie if your actually going to put a cross into the box , and then bring on campbell when their centre backs are tired, grant couldn't care less and katch or colin q would at least give it their all, no idea what we will do against wednesday but i've gone from we should stay up ok to thinking we are going to have to rely on others to screw it up , birmingham are in free fall but might have enough to finish above us with the 2 points they have already !
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Post by dezzly on Jul 13, 2020 12:39:25 GMT 1
Why would they walk? They are here to prove something. No chance of us sacking them unless Phil finds a crock of gold. I personally would not want them to be removed but the DC interviews all take the same format. Effort but no result blah blah blah. The sooner he calls out a lot of the useless sods the sooner we can move on. Totally agree about the interviews but do feel like he is holding back.If there are players already slightly disinterested and playing for end of season calling them out would only make that worse.We have seen him call players out already so he is capable,just reckon will be hiding his time until end of season when can hopefully get shut.Trouble being all the interviews having to do currently with games coming so close together you will end up regurgitating the same things. I feel they have done well up to now to even have a chance of staying up from the start we had and feel we will scrape over the line. The hope is then a overhaul and big shift in attitudes
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 13, 2020 12:49:22 GMT 1
Another nine days to endure and this season will be over. One way or other, it is going to be VERY interesting to see what happens thereafter.
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