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Post by herefordaway on Jul 13, 2020 13:04:02 GMT 1
Could have sold the club and not pocketed its income. Bullshit, he was a hero and he has left us in the shit. Illness or not Have you actually put yoursen in Hoyle's shoes and thought through how he would do that? He would be gifting £60m of his money for somebody else to p@ss up a wall on a football club with no control of how it is spent and zero chance of ever seeing it again. What would stop Hodgkinson keeping the money in the Town bank account and emptying the bank account and selling to the next owner for £1? Hoyle would have to be off his rocker to do anything like this. If he truly wanted to give his £60m away to the club, he would need to set up some sort of trust to administer. Maybe you could have been a trustee, Big Ern, to spend his money wisely Didnt Hoyle gift approx.£60m away by funding the club year to year in the first place.Only by some good fortune he then was able to take it back.
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Post by royrace on Jul 13, 2020 13:27:48 GMT 1
Well whose is it? This isn't a squad which can't create anything from open play, and yet we haven't. Don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Clubs who have come down from premiership who have not had the parachute payments ripped away have struggled to get to grips with the championship due to overpayed unmotivated squads who have got used to losing. The club as been placed in a shitstorm by having the parachute payments taken away , the manager is the least of our problems. If you were PH and you’d asked DH to delay the date for one of the large payments ( parachute ) due to covid 19 sitution what would you expect the answer to be. Don't forget the fire sale, anyone who we could get a fee for went. Funnily enough that means all your good players leave and the shit ones stay. Stoke would probably be rock bottom if it weren't for Joe Allen. I'm sure they had many opportunities to sell but they haven't because they know how vital he is. If Town had activated Mooys extension and kept him here this season instead of grabbing what money they could we'd probably be above mid table. Amazing how all these other teams come down and manage to keep hold of their vital players for at least a season yet we apparently had no choice and had to let ours out on loan first we were that desperate to sell. I sometimes look at Hogg and Schindler and wonder what it must feel like still being here whilst your team mates are slowly sold and replaced with sub standard lower league players or stop-gap journeymen. I'm guessing they'll probably want to be off ASAP too and who could blame them. Even die-hard fans have had enough. I've no idea what Dean and Phil will do, deal was fatally flawed even before COVID IMO now there's even less of the parachutes coming in and its obvious expensive contracts will have to be paid up and millions in fees written off. That's what the payments are for though I guess, worst case scenario they're there to pay for all the expensive dross you may have accumulated until their contracts end.
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Post by alexdire on Jul 13, 2020 13:39:11 GMT 1
Regardless of our final league position I wouldn't be surprised if they were to walk away. They'll still have plenty of admirers at League 1 / bottom of the Championship level. Regardless of what league we are in we'll still be in a mess and if they had any sense they will jump One of their wives made some comment on twitter about their performance at Town. It did sound as though they were pissed off about the grief they are getting. Really did sound as they'd walk at the end of the season.
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Post by royrace on Jul 13, 2020 13:42:36 GMT 1
Have you actually put yoursen in Hoyle's shoes and thought through how he would do that? He would be gifting £60m of his money for somebody else to p@ss up a wall on a football club with no control of how it is spent and zero chance of ever seeing it again. What would stop Hodgkinson keeping the money in the Town bank account and emptying the bank account and selling to the next owner for £1? Hoyle would have to be off his rocker to do anything like this. If he truly wanted to give his £60m away to the club, he would need to set up some sort of trust to administer. Maybe you could have been a trustee, Big Ern, to spend his money wisely Didnt Hoyle gift approx.£60m away by funding the club year to year in the first place.Only by some good fortune he then was able to take it back. I guess another way to get it back would have been to sell the club for say £40M. I've no idea what the club would have been worth on the open market but if it was worth £40M then that would be a big chunk right there.
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Post by royrace on Jul 13, 2020 13:46:39 GMT 1
Regardless of our final league position I wouldn't be surprised if they were to walk away. They'll still have plenty of admirers at League 1 / bottom of the Championship level. Regardless of what league we are in we'll still be in a mess and if they had any sense they will jump One of their wives made some comment on twitter about their performance at Town. It did sound as though they were pissed off about the grief they are getting. Really did sound as they'd walk at the end of the season. Only reason they'd walk I guess is if the goalposts were moved. Not sure where this grief can be coming from unless its some prepubescent kids giving them shit via social media, if it is then they shouldn't be reading it let alone letting it affect them. All things being equal I'd imagine they're very much looking forward to having a good crack at next season hopefully in the champ.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 13, 2020 13:53:19 GMT 1
One of their wives made some comment on twitter about their performance at Town. It did sound as though they were pissed off about the grief they are getting. Really did sound as they'd walk at the end of the season. Only reason they'd walk I guess is if the goalposts were moved. Not sure where this grief can be coming from unless its some prepubescent kids giving them shit via social media, if it is then they shouldn't be reading it let alone letting it affect them. All things being equal I'd imagine they're very much looking forward to having a good crack at next season hopefully in the champ. On threads like this then...
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 13, 2020 14:04:21 GMT 1
One of their wives made some comment on twitter about their performance at Town. It did sound as though they were pissed off about the grief they are getting. Really did sound as they'd walk at the end of the season. Only reason they'd walk I guess is if the goalposts were moved. Not sure where this grief can be coming from unless its some prepubescent kids giving them shit via social media, if it is then they shouldn't be reading it let alone letting it affect them. All things being equal I'd imagine they're very much looking forward to having a good crack at next season hopefully in the champ. Surely COVID has moved everyone's goalposts? Football is a fairly thankless business as far as gratitude goes. However I'm sure his wife isn't complaining when the paycheck clears. She is sticking up for her husband who on paper has done an ok job for us but we can all see the failings in the performances. We have blown 5 or 6 chances to pull clear this season and on every occasion we have not just lost but failed to turn up at all. When we appointed the Cowleys I watched the press conference and my wife said at the end "he's a bit of a drip isn't he?". Maybe that's it, maybe he is a bit too nice and cliché?
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Post by clayts on Jul 13, 2020 14:08:21 GMT 1
Only reason they'd walk I guess is if the goalposts were moved. Not sure where this grief can be coming from unless its some prepubescent kids giving them shit via social media, if it is then they shouldn't be reading it let alone letting it affect them. All things being equal I'd imagine they're very much looking forward to having a good crack at next season hopefully in the champ. Surely COVID has moved everyone's goalposts? Football is a fairly thankless business as far as gratitude goes. However I'm sure his wife isn't complaining when the paycheck clears. She is sticking up for her husband who on paper has done an ok job for us but we can all see the failings in the performances. We have blown 5 or 6 chances to pull clear this season and on every occasion we have not just lost but failed to turn up at all. When we appointed the Cowleys I watched the press conference and my wife said at the end "he's a bit of a drip isn't he?". Maybe that's it, maybe he is a bit too nice and cliché? Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 13, 2020 14:13:24 GMT 1
Surely COVID has moved everyone's goalposts? Football is a fairly thankless business as far as gratitude goes. However I'm sure his wife isn't complaining when the paycheck clears. She is sticking up for her husband who on paper has done an ok job for us but we can all see the failings in the performances. We have blown 5 or 6 chances to pull clear this season and on every occasion we have not just lost but failed to turn up at all. When we appointed the Cowleys I watched the press conference and my wife said at the end "he's a bit of a drip isn't he?". Maybe that's it, maybe he is a bit too nice and cliché? Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue? I'd take one line of attack to be honest.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 13, 2020 14:20:39 GMT 1
Surely COVID has moved everyone's goalposts? Football is a fairly thankless business as far as gratitude goes. However I'm sure his wife isn't complaining when the paycheck clears. She is sticking up for her husband who on paper has done an ok job for us but we can all see the failings in the performances. We have blown 5 or 6 chances to pull clear this season and on every occasion we have not just lost but failed to turn up at all. When we appointed the Cowleys I watched the press conference and my wife said at the end "he's a bit of a drip isn't he?". Maybe that's it, maybe he is a bit too nice and cliché? Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue? Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really.
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Post by clayts on Jul 13, 2020 14:21:57 GMT 1
Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue? Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really. He talks a good game I'll give him that.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 13, 2020 16:00:03 GMT 1
Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue? Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really. That is showing some excellent diagnostic skills on your part. I’m sure that would mean that the 4 and the 6 would be making excellent use of the mid left forward zones.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 13, 2020 16:11:16 GMT 1
Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really. That is showing some excellent diagnostic skills on your part. I’m sure that would mean that the 4 and the 6 would be making excellent use of the mid left forward zones. Errr yes, I think so...I'll just phone Danny and Phil and find out.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 16, 2020 14:01:52 GMT 1
Have you actually put yoursen in Hoyle's shoes and thought through how he would do that? He would be gifting £60m of his money for somebody else to p@ss up a wall on a football club with no control of how it is spent and zero chance of ever seeing it again. What would stop Hodgkinson keeping the money in the Town bank account and emptying the bank account and selling to the next owner for £1? Hoyle would have to be off his rocker to do anything like this. If he truly wanted to give his £60m away to the club, he would need to set up some sort of trust to administer. Maybe you could have been a trustee, Big Ern, to spend his money wisely Didnt Hoyle gift approx.£60m away by funding the club year to year in the first place.Only by some good fortune he then was able to take it back. How the hell is it a gift if you then take it back !!!! Gift my arse, a person with stupid wealth can’t help wanting to keep his wealth , he was happy to gift it then his money head realised I can take it back and fuck the consequences.
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 20:51:56 GMT 1
Or perhaps when he comes out with phrases like "elbow of the box", "corridor runs", "five lines of attack" and "middle to low blocks" the players haven't got a fucking clue? Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really. I can think of a good corridor run for the Cowleys it’s the one with the Exit sign at the end of it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 21:04:02 GMT 1
It does appear that I am in the minority in wanting the Brothers to stay and build a nasty niggly team full of terriers.
I think we will punch above our weight next season if we can stay in this division with these two in charge, I cannot think of anyone better to have in charge if we go down and whatever happens I don't think we could afford to pay em off.
So I presume a fair few folk are hoping they walk away, I hope they don't.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 21:05:39 GMT 1
It does appear that I am in the minority in wanting the Brothers to stay and build a nasty niggly team full of terriers. I think we will punch above our weight next season if we can stay in this division with these two in charge, I cannot think of anyone better to have in charge if we go down and whatever happens I don't think we could afford to pay em off. So I presume a fair few folk are hoping they walk away, I hope they don't. The football has to change drastically for me. Personally I want them to go whether we stay or up or go down. However, if they do stay and the football improves then fair play, but will it?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 16, 2020 21:20:25 GMT 1
Maybe if we had started with Kachunga and Quaner utilising the middle to low blocks and got ESR and Grant to implement the corridor runs and let Chalobah dominate the elbow of the box and let O'Brien lead the five lines of attack we might have beat Luton. Or maybe not. Football, simple game really. I can think of a good corridor run for the Cowleys it’s the one with the Exit sign at the end of it “ I think for us, we are focused on the process” Cowley interview today. I assume that means we will be trying to win, though obviously he can’t just say this.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 16, 2020 21:29:26 GMT 1
I can think of a good corridor run for the Cowleys it’s the one with the Exit sign at the end of it “ I think for us, we are focused on the process” Cowley interview today. I assume that means we will be trying to win, though obviously he can’t just say this. Why not ? Why does he have to be fluent in absolute bollocks, Gabby Johnson from Blazing Saddles made more sense
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 16, 2020 21:37:13 GMT 1
It does appear that I am in the minority in wanting the Brothers to stay and build a nasty niggly team full of terriers. I think we will punch above our weight next season if we can stay in this division with these two in charge, I cannot think of anyone better to have in charge if we go down and whatever happens I don't think we could afford to pay em off. So I presume a fair few folk are hoping they walk away, I hope they don't. I'm with you there Cyril as I think these guys should be given the chance to build their own team. Like you say let's get some (physically and mentally) hard nuts out there who don't know when they're beaten. Are there any modern day Darren Bullocks and Ronnie Jepsons out there?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 16, 2020 21:38:33 GMT 1
I’d rather the brothers stay
If we drop they know the lower leagues well and should be able to build a good competitive side
If we stay up they’ve done a good job and deserve the opportunity to build on that
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2020 21:43:42 GMT 1
The club hasn't managed to extricate itself from the psychological pit of doom we've been in for probably well over 18 months now.
That's the thing to tackle for me. The players are arguably good enough for this division but we just seem to lack cohesion.
In the promotion season we were blessed by 2-3 Talisman-ic players, Mooy, Schindler and take your pick for the third. Beyond that, the team just had some sort of belief, not that they were unbeatable, but that they knew with the right approach they would be hard to beat. For all the moaners who go on about the -GD, that season saw some real positive forward play by the midfield and down the flanks, mainly the link up between Smith & Kachunga. We had very few weak links.
The negative mindset seems to have turned everything on its head. We've had some right fecking troublemakers and the support players have never really hit it off as a team.
So whichever division we find ourselves in next season, I just hope they can at least try and create a spirit that's been lost for far too long...
At least with spirit it should incite passion, just now there's absolutely zero lift in the team and their performances.
I'm rarely critical of Managers as it's a thankless task in most cases, but these lads need to start more than the talking a good game...
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 16, 2020 21:44:17 GMT 1
I think they need the chance to build their own team after a full pre-season (whatever that is), but I’d also like them to stop talking bollocks.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2020 21:51:01 GMT 1
“ I think for us, we are focused on the process” Cowley interview today. I assume that means we will be trying to win, though obviously he can’t just say this. Why not ? Why does he have to be fluent in absolute bollocks, Gabby Johnson from Blazing Saddles made more sense It is bollocks, meaningless bollocks. Maybe I'm getting old, but people who talk nonsense like that wind me up to the nuts. Saying that, he could talk as much bollocks as he wanted if we were winning and playing decent football. I will reiterate that I support them to stay as it is sensible to give them a chance with their own team. However, the football since lockdown coupled with the nonsense-speak has left them with very little credit in the Bank of Rastrick.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 16, 2020 21:53:31 GMT 1
The club hasn't managed to extricate itself from the psychological pit of doom we've been in for probably well over 18 months now. That's the thing to tackle for me. The players are arguably good enough for this division but we just seem to lack cohesion. In the promotion season we were blessed by 2-3 Talisman-ic players, Mooy, Schindler and take your pick for the third. Beyond that, the team just had some sort of belief, not that they were unbeatable, but that they knew with the right approach they would be hard to beat. For all the moaners who go on about the -GD, that season saw some real positive forward play by the midfield and down the flanks, mainly the link up between Smith & Kachunga. We had very few weak links. The negative mindset seems to have turned everything on its head. We've had some right fecking troublemakers and the support players have never really hit it off as a team. So whichever division we find ourselves in next season, I just hope they can at least try and create a spirit that's been lost for far too long... At least with spirit it should incite passion, just now there's absolutely zero lift in the team and their performances. I'm rarely critical of Managers as it's a thankless task in most cases, but these lads need to start more than the talking a good game... In the promotion season we had some good characters - and crucially someone often stepped up, often in the last minutes Hogg - Barnsley Smith - Rotherham Hef - Leeds Palmer - Brentford Kachunga - derby Billing - reading Payne - Newcastle Wells - burton Quaner - Preston Special group of players
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 16, 2020 22:28:25 GMT 1
Why not ? Why does he have to be fluent in absolute bollocks, Gabby Johnson from Blazing Saddles made more sense It is bollocks, meaningless bollocks. Maybe I'm getting old, but people who talk nonsense like that wind me up to the nuts. Saying that, he could talk as much bollocks as he wanted if we were winning and playing decent football. I will reiterate that I support them to stay as it is sensible to give them a chance with their own team. However, the football since lockdown coupled with the nonsense-speak has left them with very little credit in the Bank of Rastrick. Do you still issue chequebooks? I might switch if you do, this fancy dan contactless and paying with your smart watch is all a bit too Tomorrows world for me...
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 16, 2020 22:36:44 GMT 1
It is bollocks, meaningless bollocks. Maybe I'm getting old, but people who talk nonsense like that wind me up to the nuts. Saying that, he could talk as much bollocks as he wanted if we were winning and playing decent football. I will reiterate that I support them to stay as it is sensible to give them a chance with their own team. However, the football since lockdown coupled with the nonsense-speak has left them with very little credit in the Bank of Rastrick. Do you still issue chequebooks? I might switch if you do, this fancy dan contactless and paying with your smart watch is all a bit too Tomorrows world for me... I’ll join as well. I’m looking for a new pathway for fund process , in the moment.
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Post by 66738 on Jul 16, 2020 22:51:33 GMT 1
Yeah give them the opportunity to have a summer window and have a crack at a full season. A bit of stability again. Who would replace them if they were to leave? I couldn’t see a raft of quality managers queuing up for an interview. And for the few that did, would they be happy about having to shop in the bargain basement?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 22:59:08 GMT 1
Yeah give them the opportunity to have a summer window and have a crack at a full season. A bit of stability again. Who would replace them if they were to leave? I couldn’t see a raft of quality managers queuing up for an interview. And for the few that did, would they be happy about having to shop in the bargain basement? Precisely, people are happy to see Cowley out because they're still deluded enough to think we can attract someone like Chris Houghton or Van Bronkhorst
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 23:13:48 GMT 1
Yeah give them the opportunity to have a summer window and have a crack at a full season. A bit of stability again. Who would replace them if they were to leave? I couldn’t see a raft of quality managers queuing up for an interview. And for the few that did, would they be happy about having to shop in the bargain basement? Precisely, people are happy to see Cowley out because they're still deluded enough to think we can attract someone like Chris Houghton or Van Bronkhorst The same as the deluded fans at Leeds expecting a top class manager to join them in the championship
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