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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 11, 2020 16:45:36 GMT 1
Three different management teams and all think 4-2-3-1 is the way forward. I don’t get it at all. Agree mate - do not understand it. Grant playing off Mounie in a front 2, in theory, sounds like it should be clinical but we’ve never even tried it. If I was sticking my neck out I wouldn’t mind 3-5-2, with wingbacks, given we don’t have a single good winger at the club. Might at least manage a couple of shots with the below team, and more height in defence to stop conceding from crosses. Lossl Stanks Stearman Schindler Chalobah Bacuna O’Brien ESR Toffolo Mounie Grant Yes. I agree that we should try this formation. Something has to change in the next few games or we are doomed.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 12, 2020 9:07:11 GMT 1
I like the 352 formation that has been mentioned but I think the chances of them going with it are slim to none.
If we have to stick with 4231 then I'd go - Lossl Chalobah Stankovic Schindler Toffolo Bacuna O'Brien Quaner ESR Grant Mounie
Bacuna is obviously a risk but with 3 games to go he's capable of winning one of them, one of 3 players in the squad that is likely to score or create. Hopefully the responsibility of being picked to start such a big game would bring the best out of him. We look soft as shit in midfield anyway with Hogg or King playing there so may as well play 2 players that can get forward and create.
I'm reluctant to play Grant because of his perceived attitude at the moment, it's not just his body language that sometimes players get perceived with but he just looks like he doesn't give a shit and is protecting himself. If that's the case I wouldn't play him but only the manager knows if he's willing to put a shift in or not. From that position he can easily link up with Mounie and make runs closer to him to get on the end of flick ons if he's willing to make them runs.
Quaner, options on that side I guess are Willock and Kachunga. Kachunga will work hard but seems to have lost confidence in himself and Willock is hardly making the position his own. Quaner at least is unpredictable and does try to get the ball to the byline and pull it back so ESR, Bacuna or O'Brien could get chances if they get forward.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 12, 2020 10:34:09 GMT 1
On the subject of formations, I reckon a diamond would be alright considering how far forward Toffolo gets. Won't happen but if I were manager I'd go for Lossl Chalobah Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Bacuna O'Brien ESR Mounie Grant
Bacuna drifting to the right with a more attacking role and O'Brien shuttling to back up the left side when Toffolo gets forward. Would also allow Grant to drift to the left if he wants to without affecting the shape too much, and still allowing someone for Mounie to flick on to.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 12, 2020 11:03:08 GMT 1
Formations,pegs and round holes mean jack shit if the players have given up. Last 100 league matches....just 18 wins....only two of them against top half teams....that's the sign of a very, very poor and talentless squad. I backed Luton at 9/2 and I will be backing Weds.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 12, 2020 11:16:57 GMT 1
Formations,pegs and round holes mean jack shit if the players have given up. Last 100 league matches....just 18 wins....only two of them against top half teams....that's the sign of a very, very poor and talentless squad. I backed Luton at 9/2 and I will be backing Weds. Jesus. That is indeed a terrible record. I didn’t realise it was that bad. Totally emphasises the crap recruitment.
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Post by marshterrier on Jul 12, 2020 19:48:51 GMT 1
Well I'm thinking this toothless lot can grind out another 0-0 for a point that may or may not keep us up. Like others I feel the GD may be critical.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 12, 2020 20:23:31 GMT 1
I've got a funny feeling we're going to get battered and the sides around us will pick up points.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 12, 2020 20:27:40 GMT 1
Changing formation without giving the squad time to practice is asking for defeat. 4231 is inevitable.
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Toffolo Stearman Stankovic Chalobah
Hogg O'Brien
Quaker ESR Kachunga
Mounie
Subs: Coleman Duhaney Brown Schindler Bacuna Pritchard Grant Campbell Daly
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 12, 2020 22:31:24 GMT 1
I'm going for a draw in this one. Think it will be the last point we will pick up.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 12, 2020 22:59:01 GMT 1
Need to boot out the old boys, legs have gone.
Lossl Duhany stanks schids toff Obrien Chabolah ESR Bacuna Grant Campbell.
I've gone with Campbell because he still runs around like a spring chicken. Proper 100%er
You could squeeze kachunga in somewhere.
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Post by wigster on Jul 12, 2020 23:37:30 GMT 1
I agree with those who say that Grant isn't half the player of earlier in the season - for whatever reason - but surely he has to play doesn't he ? He's the ONLY player we seem to have at the club who scores goals. Simply, we need to score to win - Kachunga's and Quaner's goals records are embarrassing.
For me, the thought of a forward 3 containing Quaner and Kachunga shows how far this club has sunk. Yes, they may run around more than Willock but they don't score goals, they don't get stuck in and show no actual passion, unless passion is diving every time there's a threat of physical contact - Kachunga - or running around aimlessly with no end product - Quaner. Yes I know big Coll had a wonderful 11 minutes against Wednesday a few years ago but he's done bugger all - anywhere - since. I think in the last half dozen matches Grant has literally scored as many as those two combined have in two years.
I'd play Mounie and Campbell for a half each, tell Mounie to put himself about more, Campbell to work like he can, without the ridiculous fouling, and pray to god that an Arsenal teenager can somehow inspire his midfield partners to hit the heights they occasionally have shown in the past.
I'd also play Stearman - we need characters like him to drive the team on.
Wednesday are safe - I just cannot believe they can approach this match with the same determination and character that we must surely show.
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Post by griffa on Jul 13, 2020 0:01:58 GMT 1
I agree with those who say that Grant isn't half the player of earlier in the season - for whatever reason - but surely he has to play doesn't he ? He's the ONLY player we seem to have at the club who scores goals. Simply, we need to score to win - Kachunga's and Quaner's goals records are embarrassing. For me, the thought of a forward 3 containing Quaner and Kachunga shows how far this club has sunk. Yes, they may run around more than Willock but they don't score goals, they don't get stuck in and show no actual passion, unless passion is diving every time there's a threat of physical contact - Kachunga - or running around aimlessly with no end product - Quaner. Yes I know big Coll had a wonderful 11 minutes against Wednesday a few years ago but he's done bugger all - anywhere - since. I think in the last half dozen matches Grant has literally scored as many as those two combined have in two years. I'd play Mounie and Campbell for a half each, tell Mounie to put himself about more, Campbell to work like he can, without the ridiculous fouling, and pray to god that an Arsenal teenager can somehow inspire his midfield partners to hit the heights they occasionally have shown in the past. I'd also play Stearman - we need characters like him to drive the team on. Wednesday are safe - I just cannot believe they can approach this match with the same determination and character that we must surely show. I'd be tempted to go 4-4-2, shit or bust time, 4-2-3-1, not been working! - UTT.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 13, 2020 8:34:21 GMT 1
Wednesday are safe - I just cannot believe they can approach this match with the same determination and character that we must surely show. Wednesday are facing a possible points deduction which means they are certainly not safe yet.
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Post by Yorkie on Jul 13, 2020 8:51:57 GMT 1
So by my calculations if Town win, Luton lose and Wigan fail to beat Hull we will be safe if Leeds beat Barnsley on Thursday. (Barring a goal swing of at least 16 in last 2 matches)
Sounds simple enough!
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Post by conman on Jul 13, 2020 9:03:45 GMT 1
No word of a lie , I had a dream last night where we won 6-0.. But it actually wasn't 6-0 because the digital scoreboard was doubling the goals up. So we finished up winning 3-0 , with big Col getting the third goal and celebrating by whipping his shirt off . I can still see it now , big Col celebrating in front of the fans who aren't actually there..
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 13, 2020 9:07:33 GMT 1
So by my calculations if Town win, Luton lose and Wigan fail to beat Hull we will be safe if Leeds beat Barnsley on Thursday. (Barring a goal swing of at least 16 in last 2 matches) Sounds simple enough! Found the flaw in your calculations
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 13, 2020 9:40:36 GMT 1
No word of a lie , I had a dream last night where we won 6-0.. But it actually wasn't 6-0 because the digital scoreboard was doubling the goals up. So we finished up winning 3-0 , with big Col getting the third goal and celebrating by whipping his shirt off . I can still see it now , big Col celebrating in front of the fans who aren't actually there.. Sounds like your dream was combining football with Tipping Point.
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Post by buckers on Jul 13, 2020 9:43:26 GMT 1
Man City’s ban’s been lifted. Wonder if that means Wednesday fancy their chances of getting away with it.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 13, 2020 9:46:55 GMT 1
I agree with those who say that Grant isn't half the player of earlier in the season - for whatever reason - but surely he has to play doesn't he ? He's the ONLY player we seem to have at the club who scores goals. Simply, we need to score to win - Kachunga's and Quaner's goals records are embarrassing. For me, the thought of a forward 3 containing Quaner and Kachunga shows how far this club has sunk. Yes, they may run around more than Willock but they don't score goals, they don't get stuck in and show no actual passion, unless passion is diving every time there's a threat of physical contact - Kachunga - or running around aimlessly with no end product - Quaner. Yes I know big Coll had a wonderful 11 minutes against Wednesday a few years ago but he's done bugger all - anywhere - since. I think in the last half dozen matches Grant has literally scored as many as those two combined have in two years. I'd play Mounie and Campbell for a half each, tell Mounie to put himself about more, Campbell to work like he can, without the ridiculous fouling, and pray to god that an Arsenal teenager can somehow inspire his midfield partners to hit the heights they occasionally have shown in the past. I'd also play Stearman - we need characters like him to drive the team on. Wednesday are safe - I just cannot believe they can approach this match with the same determination and character that we must surely show. To be fair to Col he got more assists than anyone else for us in our first season in the Premier League and as many as Hazard, Fabregas and Bernardo Silva that season.
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 13, 2020 10:55:50 GMT 1
Man City’s ban’s been lifted. Wonder if that means Wednesday fancy their chances of getting away with it. That sounds like a case of Man City's (expensively procured) lawyers running rings around the football authority's legal team. On that basis I think you're right and Wednesday will get away with a minor admonishment and no points deduction.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 13, 2020 11:00:02 GMT 1
Kachunga has to start For all his faults - attitude, work rate are not amongst them - and he makes the TEAM better Getting his body in between man and ball, winning those 50/50 Etc No coincidence he started at Birmingham and the TEAM played well I’m not disagreeing with you but it shows how desperate we’ve become if Kachunga is the answer. Work rate is the answer. We dont score from flowing football, we score from scrapping the ball back up the pitch and every so often getting an extra body in the box. A goalscorer who does not score and does nothing else is just a shirt... Wide players who dont cross and constantly come inside and run into a wall are not really wide players?? We have proved that our 'talent' is not quite good enough, often enough so it's back to graft and playing the percentages better?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 13, 2020 11:48:06 GMT 1
The fact quaner is being discussed as a starter shows all our failings this season.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 13, 2020 11:52:04 GMT 1
The fact quaner is being discussed as a starter shows all our failings this season. No it doesn’t.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 13, 2020 12:01:34 GMT 1
The fact quaner is being discussed as a starter shows all our failings this season. No it doesn’t. Desperately missing commitment and work rate?? I could mark Grant at the moment.. Hate to have to chase colin up and down, it might test my commitment?? Give me Quaner, kachunga and Campbell chasing the wendies defenders around before others waiting for the ball to come to them?? Need to forget what's gone on or is in the future and look at 3 games.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 13, 2020 12:05:26 GMT 1
Desperately missing commitment and work rate?? I could mark Grant at the moment.. Hate to have to chase colin up and down, it might test my commitment?? Give me Quaner, kachunga and Campbell chasing the wendies defenders around before others waiting for the ball to come to them?? Need to forget what's gone on or is in the future and look at 3 games. If grant is dropped whose going to get the goals?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 13, 2020 12:12:40 GMT 1
Desperately missing commitment and work rate?? I could mark Grant at the moment.. Hate to have to chase colin up and down, it might test my commitment?? Give me Quaner, kachunga and Campbell chasing the wendies defenders around before others waiting for the ball to come to them?? Need to forget what's gone on or is in the future and look at 3 games. If grant is dropped whose going to get the goals? Let's at least win the ball in their half and maybe make a chance or two first??? Grant is totally superfluous if we dont make any chances and he is very unlikely at the moment to either make one himself or do much to create one??? Just a shirt..one lucky penalty, one awful penalty and nothing else, absolutely nothing else. Hell if we have to fight to get a 0-0 you would have someone else on the pitch to help get it?
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Post by worthington on Jul 13, 2020 13:11:43 GMT 1
lossl
chalobah stearman schindler tofolo
stankovic
bacuna o'brien
smith rowe
campbell grant
this requires the front 2 to actually communicate and the full backs to provide the attacking width
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Post by linson on Jul 13, 2020 17:15:50 GMT 1
It's an interesting idea to convert to a 352... It's all about what players we have available for such a specific formation. Lossl Stearman Stankovic Schindler Bacuna Chalobah O'Brien ESR Toffolo Mounie Grant With the personnel we have, this is what I'd go for with Hogg unfortunate to miss out.
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Post by Htfc1987 on Jul 13, 2020 17:18:50 GMT 1
I hate football. When’s the cricket back on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 17:29:20 GMT 1
It's an interesting idea to convert to a 352... It's all about what players we have available for such a specific formation. Lossl Stearman Stankovic Schindler Bacuna Chalobah O'Brien ESR Toffolo Mounie Grant With the personnel we have, this is what I'd go for with Hogg unfortunate to miss out. Only issue is we'd be starting all four of our available CB's with another game in three days time.
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