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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2020 23:49:12 GMT 1
I would expect double figures incoming in the window. We really need a proper squad reset. Only must keeps for me are O’Brien and Toffolo. Try get ESR back from arsenal if possible and lossl but both unlikely. And you think we have the funds to sign ten new players? TEN ? you will be lucky to get half of that. We certainly need to cut the squad size, 10 out 5 in will be dreamland. We will be dropping some big wages in loans and end of contracts. Grant, shinds and possibly hogg sold. 6 loans at an end and a good few at the end of their deals. 10 would be absolute minimum recruitment, even allowing for say a pathway of 4 from the academy. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2020 23:50:11 GMT 1
And you think we have the funds to sign ten new players? TEN ? you will be lucky to get half of that. We certainly need to cut the squad size, 10 out 5 in will be dreamland. Well If we have Grant, Diahkaby, Mbenza, Kachunga, Quaner, Kongolo going out. ESR, chalobah, king, lossl going back to parent clubs what have we left? Simpson; grabara and stankovich already gone. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 22, 2020 23:50:31 GMT 1
And you think we have the funds to sign ten new players? TEN ? you will be lucky to get half of that. We certainly need to cut the squad size, 10 out 5 in will be dreamland. Well If we have Grant, Diahkaby, Mbenza, Kachunga, Quaner, Kongolo going out. ESR, chalobah, king, lossl going back to parent clubs what have we left? All those that started tonight  Besides who says Mbenza, Diakhaby and Kongolo are going anywhere - don't they have a year left. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 22, 2020 23:55:52 GMT 1
Well If we have Grant, Diahkaby, Mbenza, Kachunga, Quaner, Kongolo going out. ESR, chalobah, king, lossl going back to parent clubs what have we left? All those that started tonight Besides who says Mbenza, Diakhaby and Kongolo are going anywhere - don't they have a year left. Kongolo contracted until 2022 |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 23, 2020 0:01:03 GMT 1
Fast passing game, lol, here we go again! I wonder how many coaches strive to implement a slow passing game. Isn't a fast passing game just a good football team! Hogg seemed to do ok in 2017. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards That's 3 years ago. Not the same player anymore. Move him on. I remember people criticising Hogg's performances prior to Wagner and Mooy. His performances depend on other people. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 23, 2020 7:27:59 GMT 1
That's 3 years ago. Not the same player anymore. Move him on. I remember people criticising Hogg's performances prior to Wagner and Mooy. His performances depend on other people. The time comes for all footballers.....but this ain't Hoggys, he is the heartbeat of the team. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 23, 2020 7:42:54 GMT 1
Well If we have Grant, Diahkaby, Mbenza, Kachunga, Quaner, Kongolo going out. ESR, chalobah, king, lossl going back to parent clubs what have we left? All those that started tonight Besides who says Mbenza, Diakhaby and Kongolo are going anywhere - don't they have a year left. If the new coach rates Diakhaby, if he is going to put in the effort, if he listens, and is willing to play to the new system... I can see him being given another chance. His confidence is in his boots at the moment and one measure of the new coach's abilities is how he deals with Diakhaby. Don't forget when the Cowley's first arrived he got game time, played well and had a number of assists. I'm not sure about the others. Mbenza was never up for it and I get the feeling he just wants away. As with Kongolo who's head has gone. We also need to try and get these two off the wage bill. Didn't PH say earlier in the season, and I'm paraphrasing, that there were bad apples in the club that needed to move on. Along with Hadj I assumed he was talking about these last two. |
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Post by terrier25 on Jul 23, 2020 7:48:41 GMT 1
Along with Hadj I assumed he was talking about these last two.[/quote]
I thought Flo got it together in the end, got picked and the Cowleys said they didnt want him to go out on loan. He seemed to be playing well when he left and I for one would be happy to have him back.
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Post by Larry David on Jul 23, 2020 7:49:37 GMT 1
Along with Hadj I assumed he was talking about these last two. I thought Flo got it together in the end, got picked and the Cowleys said they didnt want him to go out on loan. He seemed to be playing well when he left and I for one would be happy to have him back. [/quote]I wouldn't. Soft footballer and if this is the plan for next year it's relegation zone again |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 23, 2020 7:55:42 GMT 1
Along with Hadj I assumed he was talking about these last two. I thought Flo got it together in the end, got picked and the Cowleys said they didnt want him to go out on loan. He seemed to be playing well when he left and I for one would be happy to have him back. I wouldn't. Soft footballer and if this is the plan for next year it's relegation zone again[/quote] If we are talking about getting rid of the malaise and a new start, I think Hadergjonaj is top of the list. Wholesale change needed, but at the same time we cannot bin everybody. Wagner showed that a massive change in players can be managed successfully, but you will need a good scouting and recruitment set up. I'm not sure we have that at the moment. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 23, 2020 8:32:16 GMT 1
I thought Flo got it together in the end, got picked and the Cowleys said they didnt want him to go out on loan. He seemed to be playing well when he left and I for one would be happy to have him back. I wouldn't. Soft footballer and if this is the plan for next year it's relegation zone again [/div]
what worries me is Schofield's interview after the game when he placed emphasis on the young uns for next season. The young uns are clearly not ready by a long shot. The next manager needs to bring in the core of a side who can challenge for top six next season because they are not here at the moment.
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Post by buckers on Jul 23, 2020 8:38:07 GMT 1
If Kongolo sorts his head out, stops the partying lifestyle, and realises that if he puts a shift in for us he’ll get a move away. Then we’ve got a very good player and a big money move back going for us.
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Post by alexdire on Jul 23, 2020 8:40:33 GMT 1
If Kongolo sorts his head out, stops the partying lifestyle, and realises that if he puts a shift in for us he’ll get a move away. Then we’ve got a very good player and a big money move back going for us. Well, it sounds like he's getting his move AZ Alkmar want him on loan. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 23, 2020 8:43:06 GMT 1
I wouldn't. Soft footballer and if this is the plan for next year it's relegation zone again [/div] what worries me is Schofield's interview after the game when he placed emphasis on the young uns for next season. The young uns are clearly not ready by a long shot. The next manager needs to bring in the core of a side who can challenge for top six next season because they are not here at the moment.
[/quote] These people are not stupid. It will be a case of integrating youngsters one at a time - 4 games, rest... try another youngster in the side, a few games and rest... until we get another Smith or an O'Brien.. What it does mean is that you will be saving a couple of high wages which will help in our purchasing power in bringing more expensive players in for other positions. Last night Schoffield was testing them. Because Schoffield and Corberon are pally, perhaps it was the latter's idea to put a few youngsters in to blood them and see how they perform under a bit of pressure. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 23, 2020 8:45:33 GMT 1
I wouldn't. Soft footballer and if this is the plan for next year it's relegation zone again [/div]
what worries me is Schofield's interview after the game when he placed emphasis on the young uns for next season. The young uns are clearly not ready by a long shot. The next manager needs to bring in the core of a side who can challenge for top six next season because they are not here at the moment.
[/quote] To be fair Schofield is going to push the envelope on youth,he’s a youth team coach so would be reading too much into that although you would think a few will get a chance |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 23, 2020 10:39:15 GMT 1
That's 3 years ago. Not the same player anymore. Move him on. I remember people criticising Hogg's performances prior to Wagner and Mooy. His performances depend on other people. As usual, Hogg is being picked on as been “past it” It’s been a horrendous season and we have had no recognisable pattern or plan to our play. It’s true he’s been below par but I think the man who has been a regular starter for every manager since he joined the club, will be back to his best once the new manager has a chance to sort out the mess. I think we have much more important issues to address, starting with the fact that we currently have no quality goalkeeper - Coleman is certainly not going to be the answer. |
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 10:52:55 GMT 1
Here's the conundrum that must have been debated by PH and his trusted team (not being sarcastic here - for the avoidance of doubt).
Either
Work on the basis that we could sign proven Championship quality players, at probably a lower wage due to Covid, but expecting there to be issues with form, injury, commitment. NB: The implication is that this is the path favoured by the Cowleys.
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Look to recruit and develop young talent (probably using the loan market extensively) with a mix of suitable experience.
Either could potentially be economically viable (given Covid - although I think this has a more long term impact on wages).
The trick, as with any squad, is recruiting and utilise the right players for what you are looking to achieve. History tells us that it is probably easier to get this wrong than right.
It's not guaranteed to be successful but it will be interesting for sure.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 23, 2020 10:59:39 GMT 1
Lets hope Josh Marsh has downloaded the latest patch for football manager and isnt using the version that said Diakhaby was the next Mbappe
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Post by midlander on Jul 23, 2020 11:09:29 GMT 1
Lets hope Josh Marsh has downloaded the latest patch for football manager and isnt using the version that said Diakhaby was the next Mbappe Seriously pal. Just bore off. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 23, 2020 11:49:41 GMT 1
I remember people criticising Hogg's performances prior to Wagner and Mooy. His performances depend on other people. As usual, Hogg is being picked on as been “past it” It’s been a horrendous season and we have had no recognisable pattern or plan to our play. It’s true he’s been below par but I think the man who has been a regular starter for every manager since he joined the club, will be back to his best once the new manager has a chance to sort out the mess. I think we have much more important issues to address, starting with the fact that we currently have no quality goalkeeper - Coleman is certainly not going to be the answer. Hogg isn't past it, but how Corberan sets a team up and whether O'Brien stays is a large factor in whether he should stay. I doubt he'll wanna stay if he isn't nigh on a guarenteed starter and may want to get away anyway after a draining two or so years. As good as he has been, he's like a lot of the existing squad; fairly one dimensional so how good he is depends on the tactics and who he's paired with. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 23, 2020 12:27:55 GMT 1
As usual, Hogg is being picked on as been “past it” It’s been a horrendous season and we have had no recognisable pattern or plan to our play. It’s true he’s been below par but I think the man who has been a regular starter for every manager since he joined the club, will be back to his best once the new manager has a chance to sort out the mess. I think we have much more important issues to address, starting with the fact that we currently have no quality goalkeeper - Coleman is certainly not going to be the answer. Hogg isn't past it, but how Cobaren sets a team up and whether O'Brien stays is a large factor in whether he should stay. I doubt he'll wanna stay if he isn't nigh on a guarenteed starter and may want to get away anyway after a draining two or so years. As good as he has been, he's like a lot of the existing squad; fairly one dimensional so how good he is depends on the tactics and who he's paired with. If you look at Leeds 1st team and U23 they tend to play this 4-1-4-1 formation which would suit Hoggy to a tee. All he has to do is mop up and give it to someone else to play and with more options in front of him that "should" become easier. Unfortunately the problems are going to lie elsewhere when you look at what we have available in the final 3rd. With the players we've got (not including Grant who i'm confident is gone, those out of contract and the Loan players leaving) we're looking at Schofield DD Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Rowe Pritchard O'Brien Bacuna Campbell Which for me isn't good enough so where we need players i think is... GK RB CB Shindler Toffolo Hogg RM Bacuna O'Brien LM ST That's a fair chunk of the team needed. Surely Phil can't keep flogging a dead horse with Diakhaby/Mbenza/Kongolo/RBrown and I think Pritchard, Mounie, Elphick need to move on or move to coaching in Elphicks case. All these HAVE to go permanently, we just HAVE to get some money however much for them. Loaning them out just won't do this season. It'll be an interesting Transfer window that is for sure, i just think it's going to be a case of get rid before we get in. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 23, 2020 12:53:04 GMT 1
Hogg isn't past it, but how Cobaren sets a team up and whether O'Brien stays is a large factor in whether he should stay. I doubt he'll wanna stay if he isn't nigh on a guarenteed starter and may want to get away anyway after a draining two or so years. As good as he has been, he's like a lot of the existing squad; fairly one dimensional so how good he is depends on the tactics and who he's paired with. If you look at Leeds 1st team and U23 they tend to play this 4-1-4-1 formation which would suit Hoggy to a tee. All he has to do is mop up and give it to someone else to play and with more options in front of him that "should" become easier. Unfortunately the problems are going to lie elsewhere when you look at what we have available in the final 3rd. With the players we've got (not including Grant who i'm confident is gone, those out of contract and the Loan players leaving) we're looking at Schofield DD Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Rowe Pritchard O'Brien Bacuna Campbell Which for me isn't good enough so where we need players i think is... GK RB CB Shindler Toffolo Hogg RM Bacuna O'Brien LM ST That's a fair chunk of the team needed. Surely Phil can't keep flogging a dead horse with Diakhaby/Mbenza/Kongolo/RBrown and I think Pritchard, Mounie, Elphick need to move on or move to coaching in Elphicks case. All these HAVE to go permanently, we just HAVE to get some money however much for them. Loaning them out just won't do this season. It'll be an interesting Transfer window that is for sure, i just think it's going to be a case of get rid before we get in. Agree with most of this,couple things would say is that potentially Schindler may go(hopefully not) which would probably mean stearman or elphick would start,would we then look to being in another centre half or go with Edmonds green who I can see getting a fair amount of games next season.Hogg I can see playing in that formation although ideally someone with the ability to pick a few more passes as well as doing the dirty work would be better.Pritchard has done nothing to suggest this or warrant it but potentially could look improved in that formation however the could in that sentence is an issue and also Reece brown barely got given a chance so wouldn’t rule him out either.Not saying either are the answer though. Totally agree we would need two wingers and a striker though. |
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Post by linson on Jul 23, 2020 13:33:50 GMT 1
Schindler rumoured to be wanting to go back to germany. WBA in for grant now they have been promoted. Sheffield Utd after Hoggy. Probably be a good thing if they left, despite them been town legends, they are part of the losing culture. You are like a fly round the shit that is a transfer thread. All quality players who will move on to clubs currently higher up in the food chain. So I'd be happy for them to stay. Goodness that's rude... Would you be that rude to his face in public? Everyone saying Hogg needs to go, mental, he has a fighting mentality but he needs to be used in a very specific way. He is a classic DCM and needs a CAM / B2B next to him to get the best out of him. Having said that, the only players I would be genuinely sad to see go would be Toffolo, O'Brien and Grant as they're the only ones that I believe are genuine top 6 quality Championship. |
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Jul 23, 2020 13:41:15 GMT 1
Hogg isn't past it, but how Cobaren sets a team up and whether O'Brien stays is a large factor in whether he should stay. I doubt he'll wanna stay if he isn't nigh on a guarenteed starter and may want to get away anyway after a draining two or so years. As good as he has been, he's like a lot of the existing squad; fairly one dimensional so how good he is depends on the tactics and who he's paired with. If you look at Leeds 1st team and U23 they tend to play this 4-1-4-1 formation which would suit Hoggy to a tee. All he has to do is mop up and give it to someone else to play and with more options in front of him that "should" become easier. Unfortunately the problems are going to lie elsewhere when you look at what we have available in the final 3rd. With the players we've got (not including Grant who i'm confident is gone, those out of contract and the Loan players leaving) we're looking at Schofield DD Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Rowe Pritchard O'Brien Bacuna Campbell Which for me isn't good enough so where we need players i think is... GK RB CB Shindler Toffolo Hogg RM Bacuna O'Brien LM ST That's a fair chunk of the team needed. Surely Phil can't keep flogging a dead horse with Diakhaby/Mbenza/Kongolo/RBrown and I think Pritchard, Mounie, Elphick need to move on or move to coaching in Elphicks case. All these HAVE to go permanently, we just HAVE to get some money however much for them. Loaning them out just won't do this season. It'll be an interesting Transfer window that is for sure, i just think it's going to be a case of get rid before we get in. I would argue O’Brien would be much more suited to the CM role in this formation, rather than Hogg. If you look at how Kalvin Phillips plays there for Leeds his passes are forwards and he often follows them with a forward run of his own. Plus, O’Brien’s best work is in the middle of the pitch rather than the front. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 23, 2020 13:54:17 GMT 1
Hogg isn't past it, but how Cobaren sets a team up and whether O'Brien stays is a large factor in whether he should stay. I doubt he'll wanna stay if he isn't nigh on a guarenteed starter and may want to get away anyway after a draining two or so years. As good as he has been, he's like a lot of the existing squad; fairly one dimensional so how good he is depends on the tactics and who he's paired with. If you look at Leeds 1st team and U23 they tend to play this 4-1-4-1 formation which would suit Hoggy to a tee. All he has to do is mop up and give it to someone else to play and with more options in front of him that "should" become easier. Unfortunately the problems are going to lie elsewhere when you look at what we have available in the final 3rd. With the players we've got (not including Grant who i'm confident is gone, those out of contract and the Loan players leaving) we're looking at Schofield DD Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Rowe Pritchard O'Brien Bacuna Campbell Which for me isn't good enough so where we need players i think is... GK RB CB Shindler Toffolo Hogg RM Bacuna O'Brien LM ST That's a fair chunk of the team needed. Surely Phil can't keep flogging a dead horse with Diakhaby/Mbenza/Kongolo/RBrown and I think Pritchard, Mounie, Elphick need to move on or move to coaching in Elphicks case. All these HAVE to go permanently, we just HAVE to get some money however much for them. Loaning them out just won't do this season. It'll be an interesting Transfer window that is for sure, i just think it's going to be a case of get rid before we get in. Probably better than 4:2:3:1, but Leeds attack quick. There's a danger Hogg kills an attack before it starts by not turning on it. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 23, 2020 14:09:43 GMT 1
If you look at Leeds 1st team and U23 they tend to play this 4-1-4-1 formation which would suit Hoggy to a tee. All he has to do is mop up and give it to someone else to play and with more options in front of him that "should" become easier. Unfortunately the problems are going to lie elsewhere when you look at what we have available in the final 3rd. With the players we've got (not including Grant who i'm confident is gone, those out of contract and the Loan players leaving) we're looking at Schofield DD Stearman Schindler Toffolo Hogg Rowe Pritchard O'Brien Bacuna Campbell Which for me isn't good enough so where we need players i think is... GK RB CB Shindler Toffolo Hogg RM Bacuna O'Brien LM ST That's a fair chunk of the team needed. Surely Phil can't keep flogging a dead horse with Diakhaby/Mbenza/Kongolo/RBrown and I think Pritchard, Mounie, Elphick need to move on or move to coaching in Elphicks case. All these HAVE to go permanently, we just HAVE to get some money however much for them. Loaning them out just won't do this season. It'll be an interesting Transfer window that is for sure, i just think it's going to be a case of get rid before we get in. I would argue O’Brien would be much more suited to the CM role in this formation, rather than Hogg. If you look at how Kalvin Phillips plays there for Leeds his passes are forwards and he often follows them with a forward run of his own. Plus, O’Brien’s best work is in the middle of the pitch rather than the front. If we comparing to Leeds I see OBrien more as the Klich role. Phillips/Hogg are DMs. O’Brien isn’t. When he’s got the options and the confidence Hogg is more than comfortable in that role. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 23, 2020 14:14:30 GMT 1
So starting 11 if we are to progress needs to look like this (this is a personal opinion)
New GK
New RB
Schindler (but i think he'll go)
Edmonds-Green (Deserves a pre-season/If not new CB)
Tofollo
O'Brien
Bacuna
New CM
New RW
New ST
Grant (suspect he'll leave so new LW)
It's going to be almighty clear out and change over strap yourselves in folks
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Post by linson on Jul 23, 2020 14:46:19 GMT 1
So starting 11 if we are to progress needs to look like this (this is a personal opinion) New GK New RB Schindler (but i think he'll go) Edmonds-Green (Deserves a pre-season/If not new CB) Tofollo O'Brien Bacuna New CM New RW New ST Grant (suspect he'll leave so new LW) It's going to be almighty clear out and change over strap yourselves in folks I'd buy that. Think we're pretty much all on the same song sheet here. Just hope the new coaches can get the likes of Kongolo / Hadergjonaj etc to start playing for the club again. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 23, 2020 15:04:08 GMT 1
So starting 11 if we are to progress needs to look like this (this is a personal opinion) New GK New RB Schindler (but i think he'll go) Edmonds-Green (Deserves a pre-season/If not new CB) Tofollo O'Brien Bacuna New CM New RW New ST Grant (suspect he'll leave so new LW) It's going to be almighty clear out and change over strap yourselves in folks I'd buy that. Think we're pretty much all on the same song sheet here. Just hope the new coaches can get the likes of Kongolo / Hadergjonaj etc to start playing for the club again. Out of our rotten apples Kongolo is the one I'd want to get playing again he was a fan favourite to villain in the space of months. On song he's the best centre half in the league. |
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Jul 23, 2020 15:20:36 GMT 1
I would argue O’Brien would be much more suited to the CM role in this formation, rather than Hogg. If you look at how Kalvin Phillips plays there for Leeds his passes are forwards and he often follows them with a forward run of his own. Plus, O’Brien’s best work is in the middle of the pitch rather than the front. If we comparing to Leeds I see OBrien more as the Klich role. Phillips/Hogg are DMs. O’Brien isn’t. When he’s got the options and the confidence Hogg is more than comfortable in that role. Hogg just doesn’t have the composure or vision to play the way Carlos will want us to. I don’t see a place for him at the club going forward. |
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