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Post by htfc63 on Jul 19, 2020 16:51:16 GMT 1
Suddenly all of those people asking for the Cowleys to leave have disappeared. Football fans are fickle and make outrageous statements based on no factual information. Yes I would have liked to have seen what the Cowleys could do in order to sort out our many squad issues however if they have been touting themselves for other positions then you can see why this decision has been made. Let’s see what transpires as I hope whoever steps in has the experience to make the wholesale changes needed and can attract players who will improve our prospects going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 17:13:01 GMT 1
Suddenly all of those people asking for the Cowleys to leave have disappeared. Football fans are fickle and make outrageous statements based on no factual information. Yes I would have liked to have seen what the Cowleys could do in order to sort out our many squad issues however if they have been touting themselves for other positions then you can see why this decision has been made. Let’s see what transpires as I hope whoever steps in has the experience to make the wholesale changes needed and can attract players who will improve our prospects going forward. no we havnt the facts true no one more shocked than me but more will be revealed im sure
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Post by townohiofan on Jul 19, 2020 17:18:53 GMT 1
Phil has made it harder on the next manager and harder to get the manager after that. This next manager will have to be a success to win the support of many and the respect of some players. If the next manager doesn't work out, this will be a less attractive job.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 19, 2020 17:21:32 GMT 1
Not sorry to see them go, football was as turgid as watching in the Powell era. Thanks for keeping us up, move on and progress. Oh and comments re sack the board, yeah, cos people are queuing up to buy and run HTFC aren’t they? FML
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Post by ram on Jul 19, 2020 17:37:21 GMT 1
I like Towns Ohio fan,s post best.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 19, 2020 17:44:15 GMT 1
Suddenly all of those people asking for the Cowleys to leave have disappeared. Football fans are fickle and make outrageous statements based on no factual information. Yes I would have liked to have seen what the Cowleys could do in order to sort out our many squad issues however if they have been touting themselves for other positions then you can see why this decision has been made. Let’s see what transpires as I hope whoever steps in has the experience to make the wholesale changes needed and can attract players who will improve our prospects going forward. I called for it. I think fair play to Phil. He changed it, brought managers in who kept us up, backed them and has recognised that we have no long term future with them. Alternatively they have been meeting up with another club behind our back and Phil has sacked them which is quite right. However I called for them to walk after the Luton game based on the diabolical level of some of the performances not because I thought they would do the dirty on us (if indeed they have)
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Post by shatterrier on Jul 19, 2020 17:48:53 GMT 1
Wait til we know the facts We’ll never get to know the facts, we never do We can't expect total disclosure but there seems to be so little communication at a time of so much concern. Never had a problem with undisclosed fees, to me that was always sensible non-disclosure but when it feels like the team you love is in crisis, some assurance or even basic communication would be welcome.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 19, 2020 18:05:02 GMT 1
For me this is the worse decision since we sold Marcus Stewart to Ipswich PH needs to spell out what his vision is and why DC isn’t aligned to that - if it is that he rates the like of mbenza then I’m seriously thinking whether I can be bothered next season. I can’t express enough my dissatisfaction in some of the big money signings and the prospect of watching them going through the motions next year makes my stomach churn I normally wish our Chairman would be quieter, because of the unbelievable amount idiotic interpretations and quotes you see on here, Facebook, etc. The apparent level of chaos is a step too far atm though, so he needs to come out and start explaining, and DH needs to too, he's still got an interest.
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 19, 2020 18:05:04 GMT 1
If the Cowleys had been interviewed elsewhere and were going, then surely it makes more sense for the club to take the financial package from whoever rather than sack them. I'm not doubting anyone's knowledge, but it seems counter-intuitive to sack them given that we'd have to pay a compensation package barely months after paying Lincoln compensation.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 19, 2020 18:07:53 GMT 1
Not sorry to see them go, football was as turgid as watching in the Powell era. Thanks for keeping us up, move on and progress. Oh and comments re sack the board, yeah, cos people are queuing up to buy and run HTFC aren’t they? FML TBF it was probably worse. Only Grayson's tactics of hoofing down tbe channels was worse in recent times. Both met their primary goal though. Needs must? 🤔
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 19, 2020 18:12:45 GMT 1
A lot depends on who he goes for manager wise. If the rumours are true that he is going to go for Corberan or Hudson, then Phil can follow the Cowleys out of the door for me. Either of them would be a fucking disastrous appointment for this football club. We have had 2 years of failure, the club has stayed up with 1 game to go, we are in all kinds of shit still. We have to go for someone with success at Championship level, someone with respect in the game, and someone who has balls to kick a few into shape. The last thing we need is someone to walk in and the players to go "who" like when Siewart came in.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 19, 2020 19:11:13 GMT 1
Hang on a minute...
Let's not forget that the much-maligned Phil Hodgkinson moved heaven and earth to get the Cowleys to Huddersfield. He even made sweeping back-room changes to accommodate their demands. He backed them in the January window. Why would he suddenly decide they're no good?
Eventually the truth will out - there are always two sides to every story. But before you go believing the Brothers' side of it, don't forget that they have previous... They originally said that they had had no contact with the club, even though they admitted that they knew that a severance payment of £1m had been agreed with Lincoln City; this is not true. They had travelled up to the JSS, met Phil, looked around and discussed the job. They were keen, he was keen, but they wanted greater power over certain matters, matters which were the domain of the DOF or Head of Footballing Operations or whatever it's called. Phil refused and so the Brothers set off to Sheffield where they met with Wednesday officials to discuss the job there. Phil relented, contacted the Brothers and agreed to their terms/demands, and on the Sunday night - I think - they drove back up and agreed a deal.
Now why would Phil renege on that unless the Brothers have clearly overplayed their hand once too often?
There are one or two "in the know" who have posted in this thread - I'll let you work out who can be trusted. I know who I'm going to believe over all of this.
(Also posted in the 'Cowleys sacked' thread)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 19:19:26 GMT 1
Hodgkinson needs to sell up. 90% of town fans seemingly no longer behind him and the way he wants to run the club. It won’t happen straight away and it’s a bad time to be selling a football club but for his and the clubs sake he should be publicly trying to sell now.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 19, 2020 19:52:30 GMT 1
Wait til we know the facts I will, but they better be fucking good This. Until we know why this happened & who will replace, it's too early to judge. Personally though, if we hadn't just sacked them I'd be hoping for the Cowleys to be appointed. Like you say though - this had better be good.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 19, 2020 19:54:57 GMT 1
I mean it's no more of a shock than when we sacked Lee Clark it it? To us or the press? I'm a lot more shocked now than I was then.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 19, 2020 19:56:45 GMT 1
If the Cowleys had been interviewed elsewhere and were going, then surely it makes more sense for the club to take the financial package from whoever rather than sack them. I'm not doubting anyone's knowledge, but it seems counter-intuitive to sack them given that we'd have to pay a compensation package barely months after paying Lincoln compensation. Maynard aside, I am. Some of the stuff I'm reading is obviously bollocks.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 19, 2020 20:00:34 GMT 1
A lot depends on who he goes for manager wise. If the rumours are true that he is going to go for Corberan or Hudson, then Phil can follow the Cowleys out of the door for me. Either of them would be a fucking disastrous appointment for this football club. We have had 2 years of failure, the club has stayed up with 1 game to go, we are in all kinds of shit still. We have to go for someone with success at Championship level, someone with respect in the game, and someone who has balls to kick a few into shape. The last thing we need is someone to walk in and the players to go "who" like when Siewart came in. Wouldn't they also have been saying "who?" when Wagner came in? Hudson has done a couple of stints as caretaker & not got a tune out of them, but Corberan might (or might not!) be a decent appointment. Whoever gets the gig will have my support until they prove unworthy of it.
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 19, 2020 20:08:02 GMT 1
A lot depends on who he goes for manager wise. If the rumours are true that he is going to go for Corberan or Hudson, then Phil can follow the Cowleys out of the door for me. Either of them would be a fucking disastrous appointment for this football club. We have had 2 years of failure, the club has stayed up with 1 game to go, we are in all kinds of shit still. We have to go for someone with success at Championship level, someone with respect in the game, and someone who has balls to kick a few into shape. The last thing we need is someone to walk in and the players to go "who" like when Siewart came in. Wouldn't they also have been saying "who?" when Wagner came in? Hudson has done a couple of stints as caretaker & not got a tune out of them, but Corberan might (or might not!) be a decent appointment. Whoever gets the gig will have my support until they prove unworthy of it. Yes, absolutely they would have all said "who" when Wagner came in, BUT we were in a different place at the time. We didnt really have anything to lose, and it was a good time for a gamble when we were stale in the Championship. We had average players who werent on big wages, they didnt have the big bollocks Premier League player tag hanging over them, so they would be more open to an untried manager coming in and trying something new. When Siewart came in, it was the opposite, we had players sat on huge wages, and in my opinion they acted as though they were too good to listen to someone who they had no respect for. We still have a lot of players at this club who seem to think they are Premier League players, and a few will be coming back to us when their loans run out. I have nothing against a gamble on an untried manager, I really dont, but there has to be a time to do it, and the way the club is at the moment, now is really not the right time. It would be a Siewart mark 2, and this time we might not get lucky and get out of it.
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Post by softboy on Jul 19, 2020 20:13:15 GMT 1
As far as I can see a significant proportion of people on here wanted the Cowleys out (see seperate thread) and their team selection against WBA simply put another nail in their coffin.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 19, 2020 21:13:17 GMT 1
Wouldn't they also have been saying "who?" when Wagner came in? Hudson has done a couple of stints as caretaker & not got a tune out of them, but Corberan might (or might not!) be a decent appointment. Whoever gets the gig will have my support until they prove unworthy of it. Yes, absolutely they would have all said "who" when Wagner came in, BUT we were in a different place at the time. We didnt really have anything to lose, and it was a good time for a gamble when we were stale in the Championship. We had average players who werent on big wages, they didnt have the big bollocks Premier League player tag hanging over them, so they would be more open to an untried manager coming in and trying something new. When Siewart came in, it was the opposite, we had players sat on huge wages, and in my opinion they acted as though they were too good to listen to someone who they had no respect for. We still have a lot of players at this club who seem to think they are Premier League players, and a few will be coming back to us when their loans run out. I have nothing against a gamble on an untried manager, I really dont, but there has to be a time to do it, and the way the club is at the moment, now is really not the right time. It would be a Siewart mark 2, and this time we might not get lucky and get out of it. Yeah, I get that. I would question though, how the players we have now would respond to an unknown (A lot of the players we had when JS started have gone now). Also, whether it was the fact JS was a virtual unknown with a poor record in 1st team management, or whether it was his approach that alienated players. Nothing to say Corberan would have the same approach - the only real similarity is that they're both inexperienced. Some appointments might have me excited. Others less so - but whoever it is I'm not kicking off* until they've had a chance to prove themselves. * If it's Garry Monk I reserve the right to go back on what I said here.
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Post by blueandwhitescarf on Jul 19, 2020 21:16:11 GMT 1
I didn't want the Cowleys appointed and had massive doubts over their football accumen but having come here with one clear objective to achieve and done it I think it portrays the club and our chairman in such a bad light to sack them with a game to go. Especially as they were Lg 2 managers finding their way in Lge 1 at the time we hired them.
I'd say that they leave having enhanced their CV and we look more of a basket-case.
Seems to me there was differences in how the club should operate in the begining. Phil accomodated them to get them through the door and has now changed his mind.
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Post by Leporid on Jul 19, 2020 21:17:37 GMT 1
Phil has made it harder on the next manager and harder to get the manager after that. This next manager will have to be a success to win the support of many and the respect of some players. If the next manager doesn't work out, this will be a less attractive job.
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Post by hedgehog on Jul 19, 2020 22:11:30 GMT 1
Have to wait and see. If Pep or Zidane (or more likely inspirational appointment) are unveiled, it,ll be a PH masterstroke. Odds on John Terry?
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Post by hedgehog on Jul 19, 2020 22:19:02 GMT 1
Danny and Nicky were very excited about the rebuild. Very. Im guessing that they have had a meeting with Phil and clearly they have a difference of opinion. THIS IS A MESS, WE HAVE SO MANY PLAYERS THAT GIVEN THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CLIMATE WE WILL STRUGGLE TO SHIFT... Dean Hoyle has totally sold us down the river..... we are bolloxed because Phil doesn't have the financial back up that Dean had... Fans need some transparency now. Financial back up, what did hoyle put into club that he did not take out again? It looks from the outside now, like ken davy lost more "investing" in the club than hoyle!
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 19, 2020 23:54:11 GMT 1
Lucky Phil running 2.20 at tipperary Fell lol It was a long way though
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 20, 2020 0:03:07 GMT 1
I don't normally jump on the bandwagon of this kind of thread, but seriously he is driving the club into the ground! Cowleys were the best we could have hoped for and to do it in the way he has is disgusting. I have zero respect for him whatsoever, doesn't matter what has gone on behind closed doors. Very sad day for the club. What a bizarre comment. So if it transpired that the Cowleys behaviour 'behind closed doors' has been wholly unacceptable, and that they have at times acted in a totally unprofessional manner, you'd still have zero respect for PH's decision?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 20, 2020 0:08:24 GMT 1
Wait til we know the facts No, dont worry about those. The collective who dont want him are presumably putting together a bid to buy him out as we speak?
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 0:30:52 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic.
Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's?
Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club.
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Post by greyarea on Jul 20, 2020 3:58:38 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. I accept that we must wait until the full story/facts are revealed. Humans are creatures of habit so looking at a persons previous actions give a good indication of a persons behaviour. Every club the Cowley's have worked at have ended in a much better position in terms of league place and infrastructure than before they arrived. The Cowley's created a record at Huddersfield by keeping Huddersfield up. No other club with 1pt after 9 games in the Championship have avoided relegation. The Cowley's seem to have been loyal to all their clubs, taking them as far as they can and getting the fanbase and local community involved. I cannot see any possible better replacement for the Cowley's. We are talking Klopp, Guardiola or the return of David Wagner as the only people managing on the level above. clearly none of them are coming anywhere close to Town. Goodness, even Southgate and the England regularly visited Cowley training session to gain ideas. Never forget Nicky Cowley was directly responsible for England 'love train' corner setups that have now been copied throughout football. I cannot believe Huddersfield have fired two of the most innovative coaches in the UK because Phil Hodgkinson want's to control all aspects of transfers. Ok It's his money so he absolutely has the right to set the budget, he shouldn't be controlling which players come in and out though. That should be the mangers remit as they build the team. In short Phil Hodgkinson has many questions to answers and he needs to answer straight. No bollox waffle
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 20, 2020 6:48:01 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. I accept that we must wait until the full story/facts are revealed. Humans are creatures of habit so looking at a persons previous actions give a good indication of a persons behaviour. Every club the Cowley's have worked at have ended in a much better position in terms of league place and infrastructure than before they arrived. The Cowley's created a record at Huddersfield by keeping Huddersfield up. No other club with 1pt after 9 games in the Championship have avoided relegation. The Cowley's seem to have been loyal to all their clubs, taking them as far as they can and getting the fanbase and local community involved. I cannot see any possible better replacement for the Cowley's. We are talking Klopp, Guardiola or the return of David Wagner as the only people managing on the level above. clearly none of them are coming anywhere close to Town. Goodness, even Southgate and the England regularly visited Cowley training session to gain ideas. Never forget Nicky Cowley was directly responsible for England 'love train' corner setups that have now been copied throughout football. I cannot believe Huddersfield have fired two of the most innovative coaches in the UK because Phil Hodgkinson want's to control all aspects of transfers. Ok It's his money so he absolutely has the right to set the budget, he shouldn't be controlling which players come in and out though. That should be the mangers remit as they build the team. In short Phil Hodgkinson has many questions to answers and he needs to answer straight. No bollox waffle Yet our set pieces have by and large been absolute trash. And our defending of set pieces was even worse
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