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Post by galphamer74 on Jul 20, 2020 6:55:46 GMT 1
Article in The Sun this morning (I know this can’t be taken as absolute gospel) claims that there was a falling out as Phil wanted ‘complete control’ over transfers. He wants to sign European players and the Cowleys wanted to build around young up and coming British players following a bit of a Burnley model.
I pray to god we haven’t got an egotistical control freak who insists on running everything in charge. That never ends well
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 20, 2020 6:58:30 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. nobody knows what has been going on. it seems to me that many fans are just jumping the gun. I wanted them out after the Luton game and with good reason. Nobody can dispute how shite we were and how many home games we have played where we have failed to turn up this season.
Phil ultimately is in charge. If he sees the need to change things up it is his decision to make.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 7:03:08 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. nobody knows what has been going on. it seems to me that many fans are just jumping the gun. I wanted them out after the Luton game and with good reason. Nobody can dispute how shite we were and how many home games we have played where we have failed to turn up this season. Phil ultimately is in charge. If he sees the need to change things up it is his decision to make.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:05:08 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. I accept that we must wait until the full story/facts are revealed. Humans are creatures of habit so looking at a persons previous actions give a good indication of a persons behaviour. Every club the Cowley's have worked at have ended in a much better position in terms of league place and infrastructure than before they arrived. The Cowley's created a record at Huddersfield by keeping Huddersfield up. No other club with 1pt after 9 games in the Championship have avoided relegation. The Cowley's seem to have been loyal to all their clubs, taking them as far as they can and getting the fanbase and local community involved. I cannot see any possible better replacement for the Cowley's. We are talking Klopp, Guardiola or the return of David Wagner as the only people managing on the level above. clearly none of them are coming anywhere close to Town. Goodness, even Southgate and the England regularly visited Cowley training session to gain ideas. Never forget Nicky Cowley was directly responsible for England 'love train' corner setups that have now been copied throughout football. I cannot believe Huddersfield have fired two of the most innovative coaches in the UK because Phil Hodgkinson want's to control all aspects of transfers. Ok It's his money so he absolutely has the right to set the budget, he shouldn't be controlling which players come in and out though. That should be the mangers remit as they build the team. In short Phil Hodgkinson has many questions to answers and he needs to answer straight. No bollox waffle You ask for no bollox waffle which is precisely what Danny Cowley used to talk pre and post match. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 7:07:45 GMT 1
nobody knows what has been going on. it seems to me that many fans are just jumping the gun. I wanted them out after the Luton game and with good reason. Nobody can dispute how shite we were and how many home games we have played where we have failed to turn up this season. Phil ultimately is in charge. If he sees the need to change things up it is his decision to make.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 7:18:29 GMT 1
I wasn’t sure about PH , the way the club was taken over proper annoyed me as it felt like the guy was picking up the club on the cheap so DH could get his money back, which meant long term he could make money himself on selling the club and giving himself a hefty wage every year. This as proper pissed me off with the Cowleys going. You are hanging on a thin thread PH and how you handle this summer will be your defining moment. People haven’t renewed due to covid 19 and others can ask for a refund , I hope you’ve got a bloody good plan for HTFC and your sake. I hadn't renewed due to Covid but I was seriously thinking about not doing, after 35 years of having a season ticket, due the the shite the Cowleys had us playing. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 20, 2020 7:24:35 GMT 1
The DC said in an interview during lockdown that they had been scouting players in Bundesliga 2...
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 10:10:41 GMT 1
A lot of folk jumping the gun but then it's a fantastic excuse to have a pop at Phil (not like most people seem to need one). It's a shock yes but nobody knows anything yet about why or what's coming so some of the comments are pathetic. Let's be honest Phil hasn't woke up this morning and thought "I'm going to sack the manager today". It's been in his mind to do it, we're not after applicants so discussions have already taken place with the new man and numerous other people regarding him. We don't know why he wanted to start those talks but lets be honest the football has been shit. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt based on them just trying to get results but maybe Phil has discussed targets with them and they aren't up to the standard he wants or that they aren't going to change their style or some of the things said in the media have rubbed him up the wrong way (Stankovic for example) and there's no trust. We don't know but I think we have to have faith in the man that's still here. His football decisions and actions so far have been good. Comparisons to selling Marcus Stewart are ridiculous, until survival was confirmed the majority of us thought we were shit and going down and a large number wanted them out, did one result really turn them in to Messiah's? Let's see what happens before we all start deserting the club. I accept that we must wait until the full story/facts are revealed. Humans are creatures of habit so looking at a persons previous actions give a good indication of a persons behaviour. Every club the Cowley's have worked at have ended in a much better position in terms of league place and infrastructure than before they arrived. The Cowley's created a record at Huddersfield by keeping Huddersfield up. No other club with 1pt after 9 games in the Championship have avoided relegation. The Cowley's seem to have been loyal to all their clubs, taking them as far as they can and getting the fanbase and local community involved. I cannot see any possible better replacement for the Cowley's. We are talking Klopp, Guardiola or the return of David Wagner as the only people managing on the level above. clearly none of them are coming anywhere close to Town. Goodness, even Southgate and the England regularly visited Cowley training session to gain ideas. Never forget Nicky Cowley was directly responsible for England 'love train' corner setups that have now been copied throughout football. I cannot believe Huddersfield have fired two of the most innovative coaches in the UK because Phil Hodgkinson want's to control all aspects of transfers. Ok It's his money so he absolutely has the right to set the budget, he shouldn't be controlling which players come in and out though. That should be the mangers remit as they build the team. In short Phil Hodgkinson has many questions to answers and he needs to answer straight. No bollox waffle You've made your whole point look ridiculous saying only Klopp, Guardiola or Wagner would be a step up from them, are you serious have you watched us play?? It was turgid. No other team has stayed up from that position after 9 games? Stoke were below us and now above us. This season. Bollox waffle as you put it is all the Cowleys spoke previewing and reviewing games but it seems you had no problem with that so what do you want? |
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Post by londonterrier11 on Jul 20, 2020 13:44:27 GMT 1
What odds on PH appointing himself as manager?? Clearly an egotistical maniac who is woefully unqualified to run a club sensibly.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 13:58:02 GMT 1
What odds on PH appointing himself as manager?? Clearly an egotistical maniac who is woefully unqualified to run a club sensibly. And yet you absolutely no idea who is going to be manager or players that are coming in? Not sure there's anything egotistical about seeing shit football and wanting and being able to change it. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 20, 2020 14:04:58 GMT 1
So we’ve gone from getting rid of one of the highest rated management teams who we did well to sign (linked to wba, Sheffield weds) And who have succeeded at three previous clubs and met their target at town
To..
A youth coach from a championship side wanted by no one else, unknown outside Leeds and whose highest profile job to date was a middle table side in the Cypriot league
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Post by shawsie on Jul 20, 2020 14:11:49 GMT 1
Having reflected on matters overnight, I still feel a bit perplexed and somewhat saddened, but at the risk of sounding condescending and patronising I think its time to pause for reflection.
The last 2 seasons have been dreadful - results and entertainment wise in equal measure. PH appears to have decided its time for a root and branch review of things and for that to me he deserves fulsome praise. This club had a foul stench of "we have made it" and stopped embracing the no limits mantra which brought us huge success. Instead we were treated to bang average players at best taking the p..s and our most talented players in mooy, zanka, billing leaving the club. Add to that further crap/indifferent recruitment in elphick, campbell, simpson and it all adds up to where we are - stagnant.
Clearly Phil now has to get his key appointments right and if not he will quite rightly be lambasted for it - it will require significant investment to do it, because what we have now aint anywhere near good enough to challenge for top half never mind top 6 whatever he says. We need to move a huge number of players on but whether we can do it quickly is another question - who the hell will pay decent money for Pritchard, mbenza, diakhaby, sobhi, flo, mounie, hamer et al?! They wouldn't ordinarily and less so now with covid!
Now time for PH to set out a vision - not working class club rhetoric or be grateful to be here nonsense - we aren't the biggest club by a long way, or indeed the richest but we should still aspire to be the best we can be. We got up once against the odds, its now time to try again and when there to stay there for more than 2 years. Its not easy and a club our size will always yo-yo in the current climate...……….but we want that yo-yo to be between the top leagues not championship and l1 so soon after seeing the top flight! Its happened to bigger clubs than us, but if we remove ambition fans will just say stuff it I will go as and when I feel like it if at all and the cycle of lower crowds/revenues destruction continues.
We now have to wait and see - I will always love our club but lockdown has reduced my love for the game in general as I am sure it has with many others. Getting all arsey on here and social media helps nobody though .....lets just see what the next few days bring eh?!
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Post by tonytiler on Jul 20, 2020 14:17:21 GMT 1
Good read that👍
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Post by townrwe on Jul 20, 2020 14:17:28 GMT 1
I wonder if the biggest reason for the change is the millions of pounds worth of players we are neither getting anything out of, or have prospect of selling.
Maybe kongolo, diakhaby etc are going to be reintegrated into the squad and the only way to do that was a mass cull of staff.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 20, 2020 14:22:58 GMT 1
So we’ve gone from getting rid of one of the highest rated management teams who we did well to sign (linked to wba, Sheffield weds) And who have succeeded at three previous clubs and met their target at town To.. A youth coach from a championship side wanted by no one else, unknown outside Leeds and whose highest profile job to date was a middle table side in the Cypriot league What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Could be a masterstroke but certainly brave and ambitious |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 20, 2020 14:27:21 GMT 1
So we’ve gone from getting rid of one of the highest rated management teams who we did well to sign (linked to wba, Sheffield weds) And who have succeeded at three previous clubs and met their target at town To.. A youth coach from a championship side wanted by no one else, unknown outside Leeds and whose highest profile job to date was a middle table side in the Cypriot league What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Could be a masterstroke but certainly brave and ambitious Yep, that's my stance. The club needs our support as we change direction. It sounds like Phil is going for it. Risk or reward? We shall see. Hope you recovering well Pete. |
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 14:29:17 GMT 1
I wonder if the biggest reason for the change is the millions of pounds worth of players we are neither getting anything out of, or have prospect of selling. Maybe kongolo, diakhaby etc are going to be reintegrated into the squad and the only way to do that was a mass cull of staff. I've wondered the same thing to be honest. There are going to be high earners we can't shift so can we get someone in who can get the best out of them. For example Diakhaby, he's had more good games here than people will let on because he gets lumped with Mbenza but he still hasn't been good enough and he's had a similar time at Forest. Lamouchi has spoken highly of him though and says it's down to his confidence and that currently he has none why he's not performing. We've seen Kongolo perform extremely well for us but he might be the only one we might get a decent offer for. Getting the best out of some of these players as well as replacing deadwood might be the way forward. |
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Jul 20, 2020 14:31:44 GMT 1
What's wrong with thinking outside the box? Could be a masterstroke but certainly brave and ambitious Yep, that's my stance. The club needs our support as we change direction. It sounds like Phil is going for it. Risk or reward? We shall see. Hope you recovering well Pete. It's not thinking outside the box though, it's doing something that we've done twice before, worked the first time when Wagner was backed heavily by DH and then failed miserably with Seaweed and a squad full of over paid mercanaries. It's quite clear that Phil doesn't have the desire or ability to financially back whoever comes next so which result is most likely? |
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 15:20:12 GMT 1
The whole thing stinks to me. What has changed since agreeing that Dan Cowley was to be manager but he has no changed him mind. What is to say he doesn't change is mind again in 9 months.
Is trouble now is even whatever he comes out with might be the truth but how can we believe him?
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Post by swam4mwg on Jul 20, 2020 15:27:00 GMT 1
I am hoping PH will be backing the new mam financially. Good coaching is one thing, but investment in players is essential to progress from this league. DH backed Wagner and it paid off.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 20, 2020 15:43:38 GMT 1
I am hoping PH will be backing the new mam financially. Good coaching is one thing, but investment in players is essential to progress from this league. DH backed Wagner and it paid off. We need probably 10 new players, plus a few to leave... Every chance if they have been planning this since lockdown. The shining light is we have sacked someone to try and improve, rather than sacked someone because they havent been good enough, that does show a level of ambition, unless the cowleys said they were off and phil relived them of their duties there and then to save face...... The ins and outs, looking forward to big phils next podcast. |
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 15:50:51 GMT 1
Yep, that's my stance. The club needs our support as we change direction. It sounds like Phil is going for it. Risk or reward? We shall see. Hope you recovering well Pete. It's not thinking outside the box though, it's doing something that we've done twice before, worked the first time when Wagner was backed heavily by DH and then failed miserably with Seaweed and a squad full of over paid mercanaries. It's quite clear that Phil doesn't have the desire or ability to financially back whoever comes next so which result is most likely? Why is it clear he doesn't want to back the next man. He's just shelled out a fair whack in the last 2 days he didn't need to do and is going to need to do it again to replace them. The cheapest option was to keep things as they were. What's Seaweed got to do with anything or is that a typo? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 20, 2020 15:54:08 GMT 1
Article in The Sun this morning (I know this can’t be taken as absolute gospel) claims that there was a falling out as Phil wanted ‘complete control’ over transfers. He wants to sign European players and the Cowleys wanted to build around young up and coming British players following a bit of a Burnley model. I pray to god we haven’t got an egotistical control freak who insists on running everything in charge. That never ends well If that's the case then he might as well appoint himself manager. |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jul 20, 2020 16:02:57 GMT 1
Can't believe most fans lives up to the DC hype, all he did was waffle on.
Did you enjoy Cowleys tactics?
We were utter crap at home.
Sheffield W
Reading
Luton
Wigan
Leeds
Cardiff
All beat us to nil.
Stoke hammered us 5-2 too
Bore 0-0s v boro, Brentford and Preston
So can people please tell me why they didn't deserve the sack?
People will say they kept us up from a position we were in when they took us over.
But we were 6 points clear of the bottom 3 at Xmas.
So please tell me that dragging ourselves back into it, is doing a good job?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:05:36 GMT 1
Article in The Sun this morning (I know this can’t be taken as absolute gospel) claims that there was a falling out as Phil wanted ‘complete control’ over transfers. He wants to sign European players and the Cowleys wanted to build around young up and coming British players following a bit of a Burnley model. I pray to god we haven’t got an egotistical control freak who insists on running everything in charge. That never ends well Aye fair comment but maybe he doesn’t want two guys who he met last year to have total control over the club’s finances and future. Maybe he’s happier with having more control and that’s his right as majority share holder. The move for Corberan could be the managerial signing of the season. |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 20, 2020 16:08:33 GMT 1
The whole thing stinks to me. What has changed since agreeing that Dan Cowley was to be manager but he has no changed him mind. What is to say he doesn't change is mind again in 9 months. Is trouble now is even whatever he comes out with might be the truth but how can we believe him? Means to an end of survival New managing director from Brentford. Covid19 As others have said, abandoning our EPL primadonnas to depreciate on loans / bit part Plenty has changed when you think about it. NB. I was happy for Cowley to crack on next season |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:10:41 GMT 1
Can't believe most fans lives up to the DC hype, all he did was waffle on. Did you enjoy Cowleys tactics? We were utter crap at home. Sheffield W Reading Luton Wigan Leeds Cardiff All beat us to nil. Stoke hammered us 5-2 too Bore 0-0s v boro, Brentford and Preston So can people please tell me why they didn't deserve the sack? People will say they kept us up from a position we were in when they took us over. But we were 6 points clear of the bottom 3 at Xmas. So please tell me that dragging ourselves back into it, is doing a good job? Phil had clearly lost faith in the direction they were headed- their vision for the club. Signing Corberan with his knowledge of Spanish and Portuguese players alongside a very strong reputation in the game as a terrific coach is very attractive. Rather than criticism I think PH deserves serious credit for his own visionary new direction. Corberan had A LOT to do with Leeds’ success. It’s a massive coup to get him at Town. This makes for one of the most exciting new seasons. We will see some exciting new talent and maybe some performances from some of our existing talents! It may take 2 seasons but I can see us challenging for promotion again. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 20, 2020 16:11:44 GMT 1
Article in The Sun this morning (I know this can’t be taken as absolute gospel) claims that there was a falling out as Phil wanted ‘complete control’ over transfers. He wants to sign European players and the Cowleys wanted to build around young up and coming British players following a bit of a Burnley model. I pray to god we haven’t got an egotistical control freak who insists on running everything in charge. That never ends well If that's the case then he might as well appoint himself manager. It most certainly isn't the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:15:59 GMT 1
Do we have to have links to that sad excuse for a newspaper? Posting Scum links should be an instant ban |
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 16:23:31 GMT 1
The whole thing stinks to me. What has changed since agreeing that Dan Cowley was to be manager but he has no changed him mind. What is to say he doesn't change is mind again in 9 months. Is trouble now is even whatever he comes out with might be the truth but how can we believe him? Means to an end of survival New managing director from Brentford. Covid19 As others have said, abandoning our EPL primadonnas to depreciate on loans / bit part Plenty has changed when you think about it. NB. I was happy for Cowley to crack on next season How much he banged on about the Cowleys though it is a worrying change and shows a man who doesn't stick by an decision and the new guy is setting off the same alarm bells when we appointed Siewert. The problem now is it is all unknown and certainly means I won't be risking another season ticket. I regretted one this season when we didn't bin off Siewert at the end of the season. I am worried about his view we have a top 6 squad and somehow thinks somebody is going to get anything out of Diakhaby and Mbenza. I haven't seen anybody want those two to stay and there is a few others people have given up on as well |
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