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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 19:09:36 GMT 1
But you got to see what Wagner's team was going to be about in the remaining games of that season, we have no clue what the new guy style or ability is going to be. We had no clue what Cowleys style was after nearly 40 games But we can get some idea from looking at their Lincoln team with Corberan we have nothing to go off. This season was about staying up and I never expected it to be pretty. Plus dealing with a terribly unbalanced squad, first club to stay up with only 1 point after 9 games. The Siewert experience is just making me very uneasy and I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 19:11:11 GMT 1
We had no clue what Cowleys style was after nearly 40 games But we can get some idea from looking at their Lincoln team with Corberan we have nothing to go off. This season was about staying up and I never expected it to be pretty. Plus dealing with a terribly unbalanced squad, first club to stay up with only 1 point after 9 games. The Siewert experience is just making me very uneasy and I hope I'm wrong. Stoke were below us so they must've done better 😉
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 19:11:32 GMT 1
But you got to see what Wagner's team was going to be about in the remaining games of that season, we have no clue what the new guy style or ability is going to be. He's been mentored by Bielsa and recommended for jobs by Guardiola as well as working for Pellegrini and Cannavaro, it's highly unlikely to be route one football. Admittedly it could be possession based but as long as that's done with intensity then it can only be an improvement surely? Siewert also had the same sort of recommendations and he was utter useless as first team manager/head coach
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 20, 2020 19:12:35 GMT 1
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 20, 2020 19:17:01 GMT 1
He's been mentored by Bielsa and recommended for jobs by Guardiola as well as working for Pellegrini and Cannavaro, it's highly unlikely to be route one football. Admittedly it could be possession based but as long as that's done with intensity then it can only be an improvement surely? Siewert also had the same sort of recommendations and he was utter useless as first team manager/head coach and we had apparently been watching him for a long time before appointing him too. This just smacks of "lets have a go at finding another 1 in a million shot". Like I said on another thread, just find our U23 coach while Wagner was here and appoint him.
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 19:18:19 GMT 1
Siewert also had the same sort of recommendations and he was utter useless as first team manager/head coach and we had apparently been watching him for a long time before appointing him too. This just smacks of "lets have a go at finding another 1 in a million shot". Like I said on another thread, just find our U23 coach while Wagner was here and appoint him. We sacked him today as it was Hudson
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Post by huddersfc on Jul 20, 2020 19:24:12 GMT 1
Fucking neither. If its Corberan thats it for me, I will also be taking the cheap option next season, just like Phil is doing, and listening to the games on the radio when im not playing golf. I dont know why I expected anything different, when you look at some of the cheap shite we have signed from league 2 and the conference. An U23 coach to sort this mess out, I would laugh if I wasnt so gutted. I can understand the frustration, it's a right mess atm, but I'm guessing numbers and finance aren't your strong point if you think disposing a load of well paid contracted staff and attracting someone from a club just promoted to the Prem is a cheap option. You've made the same bloody point god knows how many times too 😴 If you think its not a cheap option then I suspect finance isnt your strong point either. The Cowleys would have been asking for a lot of money to spend this summer both in wages and transfer fees. A bloke in his first job as head coach/manager will think all his Christmas's will have come at once, and he will get what he is given, just like Siewart did, and he wont complain about it. Do you honestly think the Cowleys will take another round of Koroma's and Bockhorn's? And yes, I will keep making the same point until we step back from the edge, its destroying me, and I dont want to sit by and watch us make another mistake that this time, we wont be able to find someone to get us out of.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 20, 2020 19:38:01 GMT 1
He's been mentored by Bielsa and recommended for jobs by Guardiola as well as working for Pellegrini and Cannavaro, it's highly unlikely to be route one football. Admittedly it could be possession based but as long as that's done with intensity then it can only be an improvement surely? Siewert also had the same sort of recommendations and he was utter useless as first team manager/head coach He didn't have the same sort of recommendations at all. We highlighted him as good young coach 2 years before we employed him and apparently never bothered to check back. Carlos has at least had 3 years at championship level as a coach.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 20, 2020 19:41:06 GMT 1
I can understand the frustration, it's a right mess atm, but I'm guessing numbers and finance aren't your strong point if you think disposing a load of well paid contracted staff and attracting someone from a club just promoted to the Prem is a cheap option. You've made the same bloody point god knows how many times too 😴 If you think its not a cheap option then I suspect finance isnt your strong point either. The Cowleys would have been asking for a lot of money to spend this summer both in wages and transfer fees. A bloke in his first job as head coach/manager will think all his Christmas's will have come at once, and he will get what he is given, just like Siewart did, and he wont complain about it. Do you honestly think the Cowleys will take another round of Koroma's and Bockhorn's? And yes, I will keep making the same point until we step back from the edge, its destroying me, and I dont want to sit by and watch us make another mistake that this time, we wont be able to find someone to get us out of. Ha - a decent counter argument in all fairness, fair play. The Cowleys do say most of a manager's job is recruitment. Phil also potentially over estimates what we have coming through. Based on his prior, I also agree he'll be more about bringing players through, but he's not going to leave his role at Leeds without a certain level of assurance. It doesn't feel the same as Siewert though. I don't think it's driven by being cheap nor is it a lazy decision (Siewert was identified yonks before he joined, back when we were in the Champ). Whether it's a good decision is another matter!
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Jul 20, 2020 19:41:13 GMT 1
How on earth can anyone vote for someone that's never managed a game in the Championship over the Cowleys who have just confirmed our survival. Things weren't great under them but to suggest an utter nobody is better based on nothing is just blind loyalty, mainly to a man who has repeatedly lied to the fans over his farcicle tenure as chairman
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 20, 2020 19:51:16 GMT 1
You presumably stopped going when we appointed wagner then? Him coming from Dortmunds youth team? You missed some cracking times. For the 100th time I have said this now, that was a different situation. We were stagnant in the Championship and we had nothing to lose. We didnt have players with huge wages and premier league ego's. It was the right time to gamble, and I had absolutely no problem with that at the time, you can find my posts if you so want to. You can also find my posts when Siewart was appointed when I said it wasnt the right time to take a gamble. We desperately needed a manager who had taken a team up from the Championship, someone like Jokanovic or Karanka at that point, so they would hit the ground running when the inevitable relegation hit. The Cowleys we probably made the correct decision, we needed someone who was going to give everything and drag us out of the shit that the wrong appointment of Siewart had left us in. This is not the time for a gamble, and a cheap one at that. Give it a couple more seasons when we have consolidated back in the Championship and got rid of the wage stealers and the big ego's, and fine, take another gamble. However I know exactly what is going to happen, we hire a cheap yes man that hasnt a clue how to "manage" but is simply a coach, and comes with a couple of recommendations. We will make a few cheap lower league transfer deals and bring in some more loans, and hope that the same old lottery numbers we spun, back when we appointed Wagner, miraculously come out of the hat again. I would rather he put the season ticket prices up and hired a decent proven manager and invested in some quality players. Agree with you about Sievert. Crazy gamble really. Wagner was a huge gamble too though. We had stagnated in that we'd stopped progressing but I think we had at least consolidated as a championship club. Had that decision gone wrong then wed have been down in L1 again. Find it hard to comment on this decision because I dont know whats actually gone on.. Their relationship has obviously broken down over something. I was looking forward to seeing what sort of side the Cowleys would piece together given a summer window, but its Phils club and if he has lost faith in them or feels they arent onboard with his plans then its his call to make. Unless someone knows the reasons behind it, then IMO its unfair to start throwing the vitriol about. And i couldnt comment on the new man either. If its this bloke from Leeds I dont know a thing about him. Might be a disaster.. might be better than Wagner was... who knows? If we could get a proven manager, theres absolutely no guarantee theyd be any good. Its mostly pot luck. Cant believe some people are talking about not 'taking the risk' of buying a season card!! Since when has RISK come into it? What are people risking?... that we might have a poor season?? Welcome to supporting Huddersfield Town!! Bloody hell , probably never have bought one in my life if that was the mentality. Sort of thing new Man City fans would say IMO.
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Post by Melc on Jul 20, 2020 19:54:55 GMT 1
Fucking neither. If its Corberan thats it for me, I will also be taking the cheap option next season, just like Phil is doing, and listening to the games on the radio when im not playing golf. I dont know why I expected anything different, when you look at some of the cheap shite we have signed from league 2 and the conference. An U23 coach to sort this mess out, I would laugh if I wasnt so gutted. Why don’t you just chill out for awhile and see what develops down the line! You never know all this pent up anger might be for nothing.
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Post by Melc on Jul 20, 2020 20:04:00 GMT 1
I can understand the frustration, it's a right mess atm, but I'm guessing numbers and finance aren't your strong point if you think disposing a load of well paid contracted staff and attracting someone from a club just promoted to the Prem is a cheap option. You've made the same bloody point god knows how many times too 😴 If you think its not a cheap option then I suspect finance isnt your strong point either. The Cowleys would have been asking for a lot of money to spend this summer both in wages and transfer fees. A bloke in his first job as head coach/manager will think all his Christmas's will have come at once, and he will get what he is given, just like Siewart did, and he wont complain about it. Do you honestly think the Cowleys will take another round of Koroma's and Bockhorn's? And yes, I will keep making the same point until we step back from the edge, its destroying me, and I dont want to sit by and watch us make another mistake that this time, we wont be able to find someone to get us out of. Do you ever leave the house because of fear of being run over? If supporting a football club is destroying you then I suggest you get a new hobby!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 20, 2020 20:12:29 GMT 1
Do you ever leave the house because of fear of being run over? no fun being run over.
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Post by cab65 on Jul 20, 2020 20:23:23 GMT 1
I thought that translator bloke for Bielsa were there number 2 .Not corberan am probably wrong tho.
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Post by cab65 on Jul 20, 2020 20:28:59 GMT 1
I thought that translator bloke for Bielsa were there number 2 .Not corberan am probably wrong tho. just found out he isnt lol
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Post by kayeb222 on Jul 20, 2020 20:43:04 GMT 1
Fucking neither. If its Corberan thats it for me, I will also be taking the cheap option next season, just like Phil is doing, and listening to the games on the radio when im not playing golf. I dont know why I expected anything different, when you look at some of the cheap shite we have signed from league 2 and the conference. An U23 coach to sort this mess out, I would laugh if I wasnt so gutted. Why don’t you just chill out for awhile and see what develops down the line! You never know all this pent up anger might be for nothing.
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Post by kayeb222 on Jul 20, 2020 20:45:29 GMT 1
Fucking neither. If its Corberan thats it for me, I will also be taking the cheap option next season, just like Phil is doing, and listening to the games on the radio when im not playing golf. I dont know why I expected anything different, when you look at some of the cheap shite we have signed from league 2 and the conference. An U23 coach to sort this mess out, I would laugh if I wasnt so gutted. Why don’t you just chill out for awhile and see what develops down the line! You never know all this pent up anger might be for nothing. The only risk is that you cud buy a season ticket and not be allowed into the ground cos of covivid!!!!!
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 20, 2020 21:57:06 GMT 1
Few years back, my boss had too many people to account for and asked me to be a "line manager-lite" and manage 4 people in the team and take on all the management duties, but not actually get paid anything extra. However I "would get recognition" for this. How? I was never told; it was always a mystery because I never received anything by way of financial recompense, or for that matter, recognition. Anyway the reason I tell that story is that ever since then, I've always felt that people who describe someone as "something-lite" are a bit moronic. Cool story How I look forward to your next interesting contribution Well done, you didn't use the word lite in that post. Finally, I feel we're making some progress. Same time next week...?
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Post by teamplayer on Jul 20, 2020 22:23:23 GMT 1
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 20, 2020 23:18:57 GMT 1
Good article that. If Corberan does get the job, can you see PH backing him and another realistic stab at the Prem?
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Post by terrier10 on Jul 21, 2020 1:05:43 GMT 1
Good article. Make a lot of points that I was discussing with my Dad earlier. I think PH was bitten and regrets letting Siewert have the summer and pre-season but, whilst keeping us up, just hasn’t seen enough from Danny and Nicky to make him believe that it would be right to let them mould and shape their own squad. With so many out of contract, returning to us or returning to their parent club and in light of the economic situation maybe he just feels that this is a Transfer Window that he needs to get right and so sees it as the opportunity for a reset. Time will tell whether it is right or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 1:29:54 GMT 1
Excellent piece. Incisive. "Then came WBA – where we scored early, conceded a goal that should never have stood, and then scored late when most Town fans were expecting Charlie Austin to nick a late winner, cos he’s that kind of an arsehole." So what does the future hold? It’s all speculation but the smart money seems to be on Town appointing Carlos Corberan. This isn’t necessarily a name that will resonate with many, but he is a first team coach down the road at Leeds United (anyone know how their season is going?) and is also the head coach of their Under 23s. He has worked under Marcelo Bielsa, who is on record as saying he trusts Corberan’s above his own.
Is this last paragraph meant to say something like "Corberan’s judgement"?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 21, 2020 6:48:04 GMT 1
Excellent piece. Incisive. "Then came WBA – where we scored early, conceded a goal that should never have stood, and then scored late when most Town fans were expecting Charlie Austin to nick a late winner, cos he’s that kind of an arsehole." So what does the future hold? It’s all speculation but the smart money seems to be on Town appointing Carlos Corberan. This isn’t necessarily a name that will resonate with many, but he is a first team coach down the road at Leeds United (anyone know how their season is going?) and is also the head coach of their Under 23s. He has worked under Marcelo Bielsa, who is on record as saying he trusts Corberan’s above his own.
Is this last paragraph meant to say something like "Corberan’s judgement"? Yep. Missing a word in that para. Thanks for spotting. Will edit this morning. and thanks for the compliment.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 21, 2020 7:07:44 GMT 1
If, as it seems, the new manager is Corberan, who I can honestly say I'd never heard of before Sunday, in much the same way that I'd never heard of David Wagner either before he was announced, the only chance he has of being a success here is if he is a good man manager, you take it as a given he understands tactics, formations and the rest and given he's had 3 years down the A62 he should have a decent grasp on how the EFL works as well.
Mick Wadsworth came with glowing praise from Bobby Robson and we all know how that turned out and with all due respect to West Yorkshire's newest PL team I think that trumps Beilesa's praise for his man but if Corberan can sprinkle the same magic dust that Wagner did he will be fine.
Forget all the talk about how bad the relegation season was, the fact we didn't have a positive goal difference or how bad Schalke have become, none of it's relevant, think how dull and tired we had become under Powell, for example how many on here who travel to away games were prepared to pay £33 to go to Hillsborough for one of his first games, if Wagner hadn't arrived ? I was wavering at the time but went and even though we lost despite taking the lead it felt better straight away. Taking the squad away pre season worked, they bonded, it was the sort of thing a young, hungry Neil Warnock would have done, finally remember the reaction after Heff's last minute winner and Monk playing the twat, none of his players were going to let Wagner be treated that way, they were a solid group, that's what got us promoted, not tactics and formations.
If Corberan has it we will be challenging, if he doesn't then it's another long, hard struggle. IMO.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 21, 2020 7:43:36 GMT 1
But we can get some idea from looking at their Lincoln team with Corberan we have nothing to go off. This season was about staying up and I never expected it to be pretty. Plus dealing with a terribly unbalanced squad, first club to stay up with only 1 point after 9 games. The Siewert experience is just making me very uneasy and I hope I'm wrong. Stoke were below us so they must've done better 😉 If the cowleys had stokes squad I think they would have picked up more points last season - that squad should have been top 6 Stokes had vokes, Allen, clucas and many other stand out players at this level Our squad was built on freebies and loanees - it was a fantastic achievement IMO from the cowleys to get us clear
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Post by boooothy on Jul 21, 2020 9:12:32 GMT 1
Corberan was already at Leeds, Bielsa didn’t pick him.
The only reason he got to help out with the first team was because he could translate. A very lucky break.
However that’s how Jose did it and he must have impressed to have remained.
There’s a lot more to Bielsa than just a style of play, serious hard work and obsession. Just copying a formation and tactics isn’t going to work.
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Post by worthington on Jul 21, 2020 9:32:33 GMT 1
If we get to see a style of play that actually looks sophisticated, will anybody mind if we are relegated next season?
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Post by Dan on Jul 21, 2020 9:34:09 GMT 1
If we get to see a style of play that actually looks sophisticated, will anybody mind if we are relegated next season? No not at all, lets all get relegated sophisticatedly
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 21, 2020 9:35:22 GMT 1
If, as it seems, the new manager is Corberan, who I can honestly say I'd never heard of before Sunday, in much the same way that I'd never heard of David Wagner either before he was announced, the only chance he has of being a success here is if he is a good man manager, you take it as a given he understands tactics, formations and the rest and given he's had 3 years down the A62 he should have a decent grasp on how the EFL works as well. Mick Wadsworth came with glowing praise from Bobby Robson and we all know how that turned out and with all due respect to West Yorkshire's newest PL team I think that trumps Beilesa's praise for his man but if Corberan can sprinkle the same magic dust that Wagner did he will be fine. Forget all the talk about how bad the relegation season was, the fact we didn't have a positive goal difference or how bad Schalke have become, none of it's relevant, think how dull and tired we had become under Powell, for example how many on here who travel to away games were prepared to pay £33 to go to Hillsborough for one of his first games, if Wagner hadn't arrived ? I was wavering at the time but went and even though we lost despite taking the lead it felt better straight away. Taking the squad away pre season worked, they bonded, it was the sort of thing a young, hungry Neil Warnock would have done, finally remember the reaction after Heff's last minute winner and Monk playing the twat, none of his players were going to let Wagner be treated that way, they were a solid group, that's what got us promoted, not tactics and formations. If Corberan has it we will be challenging, if he doesn't then it's another long, hard struggle. IMO. Also don't forget Bobby Robson was football's Mr Nice Guy and probably wouldn't have had a bad word about anyone.
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