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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 10:32:35 GMT 1
Neil Warnock outlines his ways of prepping for the upcoming season regarding transfers. He’s not over-enamoured with the modern recruitment process of relying on data analysis and highlights videos. He really is solidly old-school... Boro were looking at bringing in Wan-Bissaka and van Dijk or players statistically better ? They're going to win the league at a canter next season. *or maybe Warnock continues to spout self-promoting shit which somehow enables him to stretch his career out at least 10 years longer than his approach and methods should have allowed?!
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 6, 2020 10:34:46 GMT 1
....difference being hoyle pissed away most of the lottery winners money then took what was left leaving the bloke in a shitty bedsit with high rent he couldnt afford. its been done to death...and i dont like criticising hoyle...he did wonderful things for this club..but at the end of the day im a fan of htfc first not dean and the structuring of his exit was an absolute shitshow for the club he worked so hard to build up ive always said i've no issue with him getting, in theory, every penny back..but it should have been through either the direct sale of the club from a position of strength (a state of the art training facility, core squad capable of mounting a championship challenge etc) or a long term agreement based on future successes reaped from the infrastructure of his investment. not because its good business sense for hoyle, but because thats the dream he always sold to the fans (who in large bought into that and gave him fantastic backing) I know this HTFC, DH, PH money invested, money repaid thing will rumble on but does it have to be on every single thread.Please can we limit this discussion (from now on) to the finance threads etc. Thank you. Yes it does because the effect of the mechanism for the transfer of ownership has on Town's finances has an impact on every aspect of the club at the moment.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 6, 2020 11:31:32 GMT 1
It is if you lent the homeless person a large chunk of your money with no expectation of ever seeing it again... but then the homeless person used that money to set themselves up and became a multi-millionaire..... difference being hoyle pissed away most of the lottery winners money then took what was left leaving the bloke in a shitty bedsit with high rent he couldnt afford. its been done to death...and i dont like criticising hoyle...he did wonderful things for this club..but at the end of the day im a fan of htfc first not dean and the structuring of his exit was an absolute shitshow for the club he worked so hard to build up ive always said i've no issue with him getting, in theory, every penny back..but it should have been through either the direct sale of the club from a position of strength (a state of the art training facility, core squad capable of mounting a championship challenge etc) or a long term agreement based on future successes reaped from the infrastructure of his investment. not because its good business sense for hoyle, but because thats the dream he always sold to the fans (who in large bought into that and gave him fantastic backing) Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price.
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Post by Kenny irons on Aug 6, 2020 11:39:06 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2020 12:08:17 GMT 1
Neil Warnock outlines his ways of prepping for the upcoming season regarding transfers. He’s not over-enamoured with the modern recruitment process of relying on data analysis and highlights videos. He really is solidly old-school... Boro were looking at bringing in Wan-Bissaka and van Dijk or players statistically better ? They're going to win the league at a canter next season. *or maybe Warnock continues to spout self-promoting shit which somehow enables him to stretch his career out at least 10 years longer than his approach and methods should have allowed?! That'll explain Cowleys PR piece with Henry Winter then cos he's a poor man's Warnock both on and off the pitch
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2020 12:09:02 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull Will we bring in David Pleat to help him ?
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 6, 2020 12:16:41 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull You got me - I actually searched for kerbing Stewart!
Take it Kevin was auto-corrected!
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Post by Kenny irons on Aug 6, 2020 12:34:15 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull You got me - I actually searched for kerbing Stewart! Take it Kevin was auto-corrected!
Sorry pal 🙈 Auto correct kills me at times Yes Kevin!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 6, 2020 12:42:59 GMT 1
.... difference being hoyle pissed away most of the lottery winners money then took what was left leaving the bloke in a shitty bedsit with high rent he couldnt afford. its been done to death...and i dont like criticising hoyle...he did wonderful things for this club..but at the end of the day im a fan of htfc first not dean and the structuring of his exit was an absolute shitshow for the club he worked so hard to build up ive always said i've no issue with him getting, in theory, every penny back..but it should have been through either the direct sale of the club from a position of strength (a state of the art training facility, core squad capable of mounting a championship challenge etc) or a long term agreement based on future successes reaped from the infrastructure of his investment. not because its good business sense for hoyle, but because thats the dream he always sold to the fans (who in large bought into that and gave him fantastic backing) Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price. Sorry but it all went wrong on Hoyle's watch, therefore the book stops with him. Just like Hodgkinson will be if it goes wrong on his, which in all honesty, it doesn't look good for him at the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:49:05 GMT 1
Hoyle didnt choose any players. Youre criticising the wrong person for pissing away all that money IMO. Its like your missus being given £30k to go and buy a car by her boss, and then slagging off the boss when she spends it on a w reg fiesta with a cracked head gasket. The fans gave fantastic backing.. once hed made their season cards half price. Sorry but it all went wrong on Hoyle's watch, therefore the book stops with him. Just like Hodgkinson will be if it goes wrong on his, which in all honesty, it doesn't look good for him at the minute. Total crap! It all went wrong when hoyle couldn't watch because he was half dead in fuking hospital.
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Post by Kenny irons on Aug 6, 2020 12:53:53 GMT 1
Danny ward Done deal Signed already.
It's a 2 year deal with a option for a 3rd I think.
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Post by crux on Aug 6, 2020 12:58:38 GMT 1
Done deal Signed already. It's a 2 year deal with a option for a 3rd I think. Assuming that's Kevin Stewart, on paper that looks a good deal on a 'free' transfer. He cost Hull over £4M from Liverpool and is rated at over £3M on transfermarket. Obviously we play on grass rather than paper - or try to He also adds a bit of height to our team of fairly small team.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 6, 2020 13:26:33 GMT 1
Neil Warnock outlines his ways of prepping for the upcoming season regarding transfers. He’s not over-enamoured with the modern recruitment process of relying on data analysis and highlights videos. He really is solidly old-school... Boro were looking at bringing in Wan-Bissaka and van Dijk or players statistically better ? They're going to win the league at a canter next season. *or maybe Warnock continues to spout self-promoting shit which somehow enables him to stretch his career out at least 10 years longer than his approach and methods should have allowed?! Fantastic manager 2nd best manager that’s been at town in nearly 40 years, and successful everywhere he goes just about, and he’s hit the nail on the head you need to watch players not just rely on stats.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 13:31:19 GMT 1
Boro were looking at bringing in Wan-Bissaka and van Dijk or players statistically better ? They're going to win the league at a canter next season. *or maybe Warnock continues to spout self-promoting shit which somehow enables him to stretch his career out at least 10 years longer than his approach and methods should have allowed?! Fantastic manager 2nd best manager that’s been at town in nearly 40 years, and successful everywhere he goes just about, and he’s hit the nail on the head you need to watch players not just rely on stats. Yes, don't misunderstand me, his general comment is agreeable, just the braggart way he tells the tale. Name the two best one v one defenders in Europe by stats...then tell me that they were on any kind of short list with Boro, and I'll tell you Warnock is bullshitting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 13:31:36 GMT 1
Danny ward Done deal Signed already. It's a 2 year deal with a option for a 3rd I think. Which one?
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Post by brighousebandbred on Aug 6, 2020 13:42:24 GMT 1
Fantastic manager 2nd best manager that’s been at town in nearly 40 years, and successful everywhere he goes just about, and he’s hit the nail on the head you need to watch players not just rely on stats. Yes, don't misunderstand me, his general comment is agreeable, just the braggart way he tells the tale. Name the two best one v one defenders in Europe by stats...then tell me that they were on any kind of short list with Boro, and I'll tell you Warnock is bullshitting. Not the best one on one the best one on one stats. Who’s the fastest winger in Europe Diakhaby will be up there stat wise for a good shit stat example, because going to games and watching what he does with it matters.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 6, 2020 14:25:57 GMT 1
Fucking hell. Must we go over this again???
Read between the lines of Warnock's self appreciation: stats identity players - then video is watched for said players - then players are watched, physically - then bids are made.
At each point it is obvious that managers, even dinosaurs like Warnock, are consulted and have their say. If numerous other variables don't stack up, you don't pursue. It's due diligence. Nobody, NOBODY, buys players on the basis of stats alone unless they have money to burn.
Diakhaby and Mbenza were not first choice. They weren't even third, fourth, fith or sixth. But we got desperate in trying to bring players in to suit DW's change of formation. The manager, DW, said; 'YES'. We supported the manager.
It didn't work because partly we couldn't get the quality we wanted and partly because DW then reverted to his old tactics. Then we were left with two largely untried and tested youngsters with potential who became the figurehead of a spending spree and the fans' expectations.
MOVE ON.
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Post by stanton1969 on Aug 6, 2020 14:31:28 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull Probably not great at corners ;-)
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Post by dalesterrier on Aug 6, 2020 14:36:00 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull Defensive midfielder?? To play in front of the back 4 in CC's formation?
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Aug 6, 2020 14:37:44 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull Probably not great at corners ;-) Top beans at kerby tho
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 14:47:06 GMT 1
Yes, don't misunderstand me, his general comment is agreeable, just the braggart way he tells the tale. Name the two best one v one defenders in Europe by stats...then tell me that they were on any kind of short list with Boro, and I'll tell you Warnock is bullshitting. Not the best one on one the best one on one stats. Who’s the fastest winger in Europe Diakhaby will be up there stat wise for a good shit stat example, because going to games and watching what he does with it matters. I didn't write the best one on one players, I wrote the best one on one players by stats.Name those two players, according to the stats. They AREN'T on Boro's list.
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Post by royrace on Aug 6, 2020 15:33:19 GMT 1
Fucking hell. Must we go over this again??? Read between the lines of Warnock's self appreciation: stats identity players - then video is watched for said players - then players are watched, physically - then bids are made. At each point it is obvious that managers, even dinosaurs like Warnock, are consulted and have their say. If numerous other variables don't stack up, you don't pursue. It's due diligence. Nobody, NOBODY, buys players on the basis of stats alone unless they have money to burn. Diakhaby and Mbenza were not first choice. They weren't even third, fourth, fith or sixth. But we got desperate in trying to bring players in to suit DW's change of formation. The manager, DW, said; 'YES'. We supported the manager. It didn't work because partly we couldn't get the quality we wanted and partly because DW then reverted to his old tactics. Then we were left with two largely untried and tested youngsters with potential who became the figurehead of a spending spree and the fans' expectations. MOVE ON. Wagner changed formation AFTER realising those two were useless, he was left with no choice. You think it was wise to sign "two largely untried and tested youngsters with potential" for £21M??!! That's a very kind description too. Buck stops with the recruitment team, they fcked up, royally, easier to blame the bloke who's left though.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 6, 2020 15:38:00 GMT 1
Fantastic manager 2nd best manager that’s been at town in nearly 40 years, and successful everywhere he goes just about, and he’s hit the nail on the head you need to watch players not just rely on stats. Yes, don't misunderstand me, his general comment is agreeable, just the braggart way he tells the tale. Name the two best one v one defenders in Europe by stats...then tell me that they were on any kind of short list with Boro, and I'll tell you Warnock is bullshitting. The guy has won enough promotions to be a braggart to be fair.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 6, 2020 15:39:47 GMT 1
Sorry but it all went wrong on Hoyle's watch, therefore the book stops with him. Just like Hodgkinson will be if it goes wrong on his, which in all honesty, it doesn't look good for him at the minute. Total crap! It all went wrong when hoyle couldn't watch because he was half dead in fuking hospital. So I heard. The shite were all signed well before Hoyle became ill. We didn't waste a load of cash on players because Hoyle was in hospital.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 6, 2020 15:48:16 GMT 1
Fucking hell. Must we go over this again??? Read between the lines of Warnock's self appreciation: stats identity players - then video is watched for said players - then players are watched, physically - then bids are made. At each point it is obvious that managers, even dinosaurs like Warnock, are consulted and have their say. If numerous other variables don't stack up, you don't pursue. It's due diligence. Nobody, NOBODY, buys players on the basis of stats alone unless they have money to burn. Diakhaby and Mbenza were not first choice. They weren't even third, fourth, fith or sixth. But we got desperate in trying to bring players in to suit DW's change of formation. The manager, DW, said; 'YES'. We supported the manager. It didn't work because partly we couldn't get the quality we wanted and partly because DW then reverted to his old tactics. Then we were left with two largely untried and tested youngsters with potential who became the figurehead of a spending spree and the fans' expectations. MOVE ON. Wagner changed formation AFTER realising those two were useless, he was left with no choice. You think it was wise to sign "two largely untried and tested youngsters with potential" for £21M??!! That's a very kind description too. Buck stops with the recruitment team, they fcked up, royally, easier to blame the bloke who's left though. - £21m for two U21 internationals at France and Belgium respectively, in the PL, in attacking positions, is below the average asking price. It maybe unprecedented for Town, but is largely the norm for those at the bottom of the PL (and at the top of the Champ' in all honesty. Lets not forget Stoke had just paid upwards of £10m for Tom Ince!). - most youngsters are untried and tested with potential as a default. Had we have gone for others, tried and tested, the expenditure would have been far greater. Including players from the championship. We couldn't complete financially, hence why didn't sign options 1-7 (one of them being Traore, who was number one, whom most on here would have creamed themselves over and wouldn't have chastised the recruitment team then). - our model was also to buy young and sell at a premium. This was seen as the sustainable approach, set by those at the top. The recruitment team have to work to the criteria set by the board and the manager. - (so no,) the buck doesn't stop purely with the recruitment team. Everyone fucked up. Including the manager who was adamant that he wanted these type of players and said 'yes'. The entire structure failed because it panicked having not secured targets 1-7 (or so).They were the best alternative we had in the market for the price. - we have to blame those that have left, because most of them have one way or another; DH, DoF, DW, et al... - even the Man Utds and Alex Ferguson's of this world have had major, memorable, recruitment fuck-ups. But on my initial point, nobody signs players on the basis of stats alone. Nobody. Get over it everyone. You're not going to get the result you want. Even if you vilify people.
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 6, 2020 15:52:59 GMT 1
Danny ward Done deal Signed already. It's a 2 year deal with a option for a 3rd I think. Which one? You beat me to it. Have we contacted Nando's to see if they know if it's their one time frequent patron?
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Post by Leporid on Aug 6, 2020 16:12:52 GMT 1
We have our eyes on kerbing Stewart who's just left hull Kerbing is a bit like crazy paving-not all he's cracked up to be. He's got a bit of an edge though.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 6, 2020 16:17:34 GMT 1
Probably not great at corners ;-) Top beans at kerby tho In Heinzsight, yes...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 16:24:44 GMT 1
Potless Phill paying for him on HP ?
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 6, 2020 16:38:31 GMT 1
As well as ward and Stewart I heard Lukas nmecha mentioned as well from city
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