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Post by linson on Sept 23, 2020 8:23:32 GMT 1
It would have been nice, but possibly a luxury we couldn't afford. We still need the road runner twins to come good. Let’s face it they are both a complete waste of time, and would not be here if it was up to them! I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 23, 2020 8:33:23 GMT 1
Let’s face it they are both a complete waste of time, and would not be here if it was up to them! I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy "I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 23, 2020 9:48:19 GMT 1
I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy "I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. I'm still baffled by the person who probably watched these 2 in the flesh over a few games and deemed them worth the the asking price. If we paid 500k for them, a lot of us would be angry at the club even wasting that amount |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 23, 2020 9:57:12 GMT 1
It's really is time to let it go
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 23, 2020 10:13:56 GMT 1
Worrying. We will be sticking Danny Schofield up front by October. Are we confident we have someone else lined up as a potential signing of decent quality if this hasn't gone through? He would score as many as Campbell in fairness |
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Post by linson on Sept 23, 2020 11:36:43 GMT 1
I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy "I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. I get that but they both have pedigree. You don't get to play in youth national teams or Monaco if you can't. Neither look like they've tried out have ever looked bothered about the whole situation. But yes, I accept and agree that whoever signed them has a lot to answer for as well Edit: I guess wording it as - I blame the speed twin situation... Would have avoided confusion. My bad |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 23, 2020 12:41:41 GMT 1
If deal is off because we don't want to pay 1m then Potless need to go. 1m is absolutely nothing in today's market. Two things. 1. The potless jibes wore thin along time ago, you’re a good poster don’t let yourself down. 2. £1m loan fee is a lot on a player that yes has potential but he blew hot and cold. We can’t afford to be spending unwisely or on risks. Also it’s not just a loan fee, it’s wages. |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 23, 2020 12:44:14 GMT 1
It's really is time to let it go Spending 20m on those 2 doesn't keep me up at night Ted, its not my money. I'm just curious as to what they must have done for someone to believe they were worth that |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 13:47:29 GMT 1
mac from fleetwood, there's rumours
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Post by royrace on Sept 23, 2020 14:42:32 GMT 1
I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy "I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. You're right, they're both shit, Wagner saw it from day one as did some others. So now the big question is why the fk are they starting for Town, its as good an example of throwing good money after bad you'll ever see. We're wasting time with them on the pitch, wasting time coaching them and risking the team spirit in the group. Club should have cut their losses and got rid. Sooner they face up to the fact we paid £20M for 2 x league two players the better. |
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Post by drfootball on Sept 23, 2020 14:50:23 GMT 1
Me neither played well on occasions and poor on others , next So did ESR We've a striker we want £18m for that didn’t play well from Xmas onwards. Our player of the year didn't play well from the restart to the end of the season. Cant argue with any of that mate , I’m a bit unsure of your point in truth but yea ESR had a bit of trouble adjusting in general and once he had was class week after week , whilst I got the impression Willock generally couldn’t be bothered and only put effort in when he thought he way playing for a contract..I maybe totally wrong It wouldn’t be the first time 😐 |
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Post by canterburyterrier on Sept 23, 2020 15:11:48 GMT 1
"I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. You're right, they're both shit, Wagner saw it from day one as did some others. So now the big question is why the fk are they starting for Town, its as good an example of throwing good money after bad you'll ever see. We're wasting time with them on the pitch, wasting time coaching them and risking the team spirit in the group. Club should have cut their losses and got rid. Sooner they face up to the fact we paid £20M for 2 x league two players the better. I was going to attempt a reasoned response to this but decided its not worh it. |
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Post by detox on Sept 23, 2020 15:46:18 GMT 1
"I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem" MAYBE they just aren't that good. Never were that good. Never will be that good. IF that is the case then why is anything their fault? They can only be as good as they can be. They didn't force us to sign them. They didn't make us pay millions for them.. You're right, they're both shit, Wagner saw it from day one as did some others. So now the big question is why the fk are they starting for Town, its as good an example of throwing good money after bad you'll ever see. We're wasting time with them on the pitch, wasting time coaching them and risking the team spirit in the group. Club should have cut their losses and got rid. Sooner they face up to the fact we paid £20M for 2 x league two players the better. Could be they were both trying harder to win that elusive big contract that would make them millionaires..once they got that and the mega PL salaries they're made, and just gave up...(assuming there was anything there to give up....) Tom Ince came in for £10m but did cack all too, fortunately we recouped that money..Sobhi another one, but we've recouped most of that outlay too...Kongolo we paid £18m but would have recouped much of that with Fulham getting promoted had he not got bloody injured..maybe we still will if he ever plays again..Depoitre was a cheapie but his goasl at Chelsea and v Man Utd was worth the money... just seems nobody wants Mbenze or Diakhaby for some odd reason.. |
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Post by alexdire on Sept 23, 2020 16:33:05 GMT 1
mac from fleetwood, there's rumours I very nearly looked up who Mac was who played for Fleetwood 😳 |
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Post by yeti1975 on Sept 23, 2020 16:57:20 GMT 1
mac from fleetwood, there's rumours I don't even care if there's any truth to these Rumours! Tell me lies! Tell me sweet little lies!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 17:03:58 GMT 1
mac from fleetwood, there's rumours I don't even care if there's any truth to these Rumours! Tell me lies! Tell me sweet little lies!! Yes, Don't stop. |
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Post by yeti1975 on Sept 23, 2020 17:09:59 GMT 1
I don't even care if there's any truth to these Rumours! Tell me lies! Tell me sweet little lies!! Yes, Don't stop. The problem with these transfers is your waiting to sell before you buy and sometimes you can never break the chain! |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 23, 2020 17:12:20 GMT 1
If deal is off because we don't want to pay 1m then Potless need to go. 1m is absolutely nothing in today's market. Two things. 1. The potless jibes wore thin along time ago, you’re a good poster don’t let yourself down. 2. £1m loan fee is a lot on a player that yes has potential but he blew hot and cold. We can’t afford to be spending unwisely or on risks. Also it’s not just a loan fee, it’s wages. I must have misread something along the way... I didn't realise it was only a loan fee !!!! Silly me. I take back my comments if that is the case. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Sept 24, 2020 2:10:08 GMT 1
Most don't seem that bothered that he didn't sign.
I'm disappointed we couldn't get this deal over the line, we've seen how good he can be, he's young and would hopefully improve.
Even when he wasn't play particularly well, I'd rather have him over the speed twins.
In an ideal situation, we'd have 2 new wingers, and at least one new striker but I can't see any of it happening, not unless we Grant leaves, or potentially if Flo/Kongolo go (one out, one in)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 11:00:11 GMT 1
Mbenza showed a touch of real class last night with his one touch pass into path of the on rushing Toffolo. There’s a player in there and Carlos is gonna winkle it out.
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Post by dm on Sept 26, 2020 11:22:44 GMT 1
Most don't seem that bothered that he didn't sign. I'm disappointed we couldn't get this deal over the line, we've seen how good he can be, he's young and would hopefully improve. Even when he wasn't play particularly well, I'd rather have him over the speed twins. In an ideal situation, we'd have 2 new wingers, and at least one new striker but I can't see any of it happening, not unless we Grant leaves, or potentially if Flo/Kongolo go (one out, one in) I agree. He's 22, came into a struggling side during the pandemic. He probably wasn't fit to start with and Cowley's alleged Chris Powell-esque approach to training won't really have aided that. With that in mind, 2 goals in 8 starts isn't an appalling return. |
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Post by btwoowah on Sept 26, 2020 17:17:14 GMT 1
Most don't seem that bothered that he didn't sign. I'm disappointed we couldn't get this deal over the line, we've seen how good he can be, he's young and would hopefully improve. Even when he wasn't play particularly well, I'd rather have him over the speed twins. In an ideal situation, we'd have 2 new wingers, and at least one new striker but I can't see any of it happening, not unless we Grant leaves, or potentially if Flo/Kongolo go (one out, one in) I agree. He's 22, came into a struggling side during the pandemic. He probably wasn't fit to start with and Cowley's alleged Chris Powell-esque approach to training won't really have aided that. With that in mind, 2 goals in 8 starts isn't an appalling return. Both good goals too. Ordinarily, I would take him in a heartbeat, but I have one or two little doubts - not really about him per se, rather about squad building more generally: It’s obvious that Mbenza and Diakhaby are going to be given time to play themselves into form, and I think we’re even starting to see slight returns there already. I also think Koroma has earned the right to be considered a first team option going forward - I thought his performance last night was quietly impressive: he did everything asked of him defensively, took responsibility of the ball well, broke quickly when the opportunity arose. Ok, he maybe should have scored (though that was one hell of a save - reminiscent of De Gea at his best three or four years ago), but two pieces of play made me think his confidence and nous at this level is growing to match his unquestioned potential: when in the final quarter of the match he carried the ball 60 yards and won a foul well into opposition territory to relieve pressure; and when in the first half he dropped his shoulder at the edge of the 18 yard area to send the defender for a packet of space raiders (weak shot aside). Bit of a diversion that, but what I’m getting at is, how many inside forwards are we reasonably expecting to have in our first team squad? 4, maximum 5? Plus 2 or 3 from the B team training with them and covering injuries/trying to push on/hoping to be knocking on the door by the second half of the season? I think it’s reasonable to assume there’ll be one new addition (hopefully two, but for some reason I think not - it’s gone suspiciously quiet!) for these positions, and the talk is of another striker on loan. Those two/three, in an ideal world, should more or less guarantee the goals we’ll have removed with player sales. There are, of course, no guarantees in football, and I’ve made the case elsewhere that I think Willock could get 10 with a fair wind this season, and I’m hopeful that a focused Bacuna, Campbell, Ward, AD, IM, JK will all chip in, but there’s still a fair few question marks there. I’m just not 100% we need to add any more question marks into the equation, especially if we’re only going to see one inside forward and, say, a young number 9 to cover Ward’s injury coming in... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 1:48:59 GMT 1
Let’s face it they are both a complete waste of time, and would not be here if it was up to them! I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy If it makes you feel any better we have the option to extend both of their contracts for another year... |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 27, 2020 8:44:03 GMT 1
I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy If it makes you feel any better we have the option to extend both of their contracts for another year... Christ.....now that is terrifying. |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Sept 27, 2020 10:22:45 GMT 1
I blame the speed twins for most of our problems. If they could have done the basics required to have price tags like they did, we'd still be in the Prem. All they had to do was put reasonable crosses in for Mounié and Depoitre. They are both responsible for our fall from grace and they both owe the fans and club an awful lot. We're in a lose-lose situation with them now with them in the last year of their contract, with no prospective buyers. Either we let them go for nothing or make them play. If they play and play well they leave for nothing, when they don't play well they'll leave for nothing. Honestly it's a tragedy If it makes you feel any better we have the option to extend both of their contracts for another year... Imagine the meltdown on here if we do.  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 27, 2020 10:28:44 GMT 1
If it makes you feel any better we have the option to extend both of their contracts for another year... Imagine the meltdown on here if we do. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if we do extend their contracts, provided that they have turned their form around 100% and become world-beaters.  |
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Post by Towner47 on Sept 27, 2020 10:31:55 GMT 1
Imagine the meltdown on here if we do. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if we do extend their contracts, provided that they have turned their form around 100% and become world-beaters. Miracles do happen or so I am told  |
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Post by linson on Sept 27, 2020 14:34:13 GMT 1
If it makes you feel any better we have the option to extend both of their contracts for another year... Imagine the meltdown on here if we do. In fairness... I wouldn't turn our noses up at it just yet... They both have to play this year as there's no one else, they're both in the last years of their contract, if they come good and actually have some value then extending and using them or selling might be beneficial for the club. |
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Post by Stavros on Sept 29, 2020 14:28:45 GMT 1
Is the Willock deal totally dead now?
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