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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 8:10:13 GMT 1
People slating Deano are ridiculous! Picture the situation, you buy a house that is in ruins, spend a load of money to do it up and make it worth more than anyone would imagine. You spend 10 years there, make friends in the area, have a great time but due to illness you want to walk away, downsize and let someone else enjoy the house you once loved would you simply give it away for free?? His only error is selling to man with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth Yeah because you buy a football club expecting to get your money back, he’s absolutely killed us and his own so called ‘legacy’ selling the club with the parachute payments. That money is supposed to stabilise us for years to come bring in fresh faces (im not suggesting spending loads) whilst also give time to sell off the inevitable poor signings which happens to every club that gets promoted. There’s a good reason Fulham went back up and we nearly got relegated. |
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Post by htfc1908 on Sept 2, 2020 8:12:37 GMT 1
Do West Brom just write the cheque out to Dean, or does the money actually come into the Club, then go out again? Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. It's very rare I agree with anything you say but sadly I'm in agreement about this and I'm a so called happy clapper! and to people who say he deserves his money back I remember back when Dean was spending on player after player when Lee Clark was here people asked if he was putting the clubs future at risk to which he replied in the examiner that other people spend their money in the pub, at the bookies, on hobbies, he basically said this is my hobby and he doesn't want his money back. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 2, 2020 8:20:17 GMT 1
People slating Deano are ridiculous! Picture the situation, you buy a house that is in ruins, spend a load of money to do it up and make it worth more than anyone would imagine. You spend 10 years there, make friends in the area, have a great time but due to illness you want to walk away, downsize and let someone else enjoy the house you once loved would you simply give it away for free?? His only error is selling to man with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth Except that when he did his final renovation he paid the price of Marble for laminate meaning he over capitalised. The house wasn’t worth what the owner hoped after the cost of the purchase and renovation. To make matters worse before the sale the roof collapsed in and the government installed a highway out the back which downgraded the area. To compensate the government will pay compensation to the title owner. When the property is up for sale, the owner wants those payments after the sale of the property. His error wasn’t selling to a person “with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth“(your words not mine), his error was wanting too much for his asset when it clearly was only worth that amount to a buyer who can only afford small running repairs and major repairs after pay day. So when it rains the cracks can be papered over but she’s still a leaky roof until the pay hits the bank and some parts of the house become a casualty of the rain. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2020 9:00:52 GMT 1
Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. Dean won't see any of it either! I think we just have to accept that from the moment after we stayed up at Chelsea, until the moment just before Stewart was sacked, almost every decision that was made ended up being the wrong one - with a few exceptions such as Grant. We ended up 'blowing our brains out' financially and this season we're still paying for it and the pandemic isn't helping. If we can get to the end of this season without getting relegated and bringing a few of the youngsters into the squad we'll be in a much better position than we've ever been. I'm more a 'happy clapper' than 'moaning fucker', but generally a realist. The club 'fucked it up' in the PL, but it can't be undone. Hopefully if we ever get there again we'll have learnt the lessons. Plus,especially for the 'Potless2' poster and friends - nobody is making money out of Town! Dean Hoyle MAY get most of the cash he invested back - without any interest! He certainly hadn't had anything for the time he put in, or the time he and his wife put into the Foundation. PH is certainly getting nothing out of the club, except for a load of abuse from a number of so called supporters. Its a shame this post can't be turned into rope so a few can use it to haul in their bottom lips. |
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Post by niggled on Sept 2, 2020 9:04:31 GMT 1
People slating Deano are ridiculous! Picture the situation, you buy a house that is in ruins, spend a load of money to do it up and make it worth more than anyone would imagine. You spend 10 years there, make friends in the area, have a great time but due to illness you want to walk away, downsize and let someone else enjoy the house you once loved would you simply give it away for free?? His only error is selling to man with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth Except that when he did his final renovation he paid the price of Marble for laminate meaning he over capitalised. The house wasn’t worth what the owner hoped after the cost of the purchase and renovation. To make matters worse before the sale the roof collapsed in and the government installed a highway out the back which downgraded the area. To compensate the government will pay compensation to the title owner. When the property is up for sale, the owner wants those payments after the sale of the property. His error wasn’t selling to a person “with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth“(your words not mine), his error was wanting too much for his asset when it clearly was only worth that amount to a buyer who can only afford small running repairs and major repairs after pay day. So when it rains the cracks can be papered over but she’s still a leaky roof until the pay hits the bank and some parts of the house become a casualty of the rain. That's a brilliant analogy The roof leaks so we can't use any of the upstairs rooms , and its still raining so the flood water is coming up through the floorboards. |
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Post by tobbyg on Sept 2, 2020 9:08:42 GMT 1
Its a diesel Range Rover so certainly shouldn’t be putting petrol in it. Surely if we sell Grant Town should use the money to pay DH off quicker - so once he is paid back we can stop going on and on about the money he lent the club in the first place. I don’t think it matters much either way. Once the parachute payments stop we won’t be able to compete in this league, we struggled to do so even when Dean was covering the losses of about £5m a season. Other than a miracle of us getting promoted in the next two years it’s hard to see anything other than League 1 in the near future. |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Sept 2, 2020 9:16:09 GMT 1
Do West Brom just write the cheque out to Dean, or does the money actually come into the Club, then go out again? Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. Speak for yourself. Pity how it's ended but I have some amazing memories and saw something I never thought I'd live to witness. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 2, 2020 9:18:15 GMT 1
Its a diesel Range Rover so certainly shouldn’t be putting petrol in it. Surely if we sell Grant Town should use the money to pay DH off quicker - so once he is paid back we can stop going on and on about the money he lent the club in the first place. I don’t think it matters much either way. Once the parachute payments stop we won’t be able to compete in this league, we struggled to do so even when Dean was covering the losses of about £5m a season. Other than a miracle of us getting promoted in the next two years it’s hard to see anything other than League 1 in the near future. It’s hard to disagree unfortunately. Our only hope is that the clubs youth development plan actually starts to pay dividends and we sell one every year at around the 10m mark. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 9:19:08 GMT 1
Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. Speak for yourself. Pity how it's ended but I have some amazing memories and saw something I never thought I'd live to witness. Yes so thank Wagner and Webber (for making astute signings for not a lot of money) not Hoyle. |
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Post by thomo on Sept 2, 2020 9:37:24 GMT 1
Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. Dean won't see any of it either! I think we just have to accept that from the moment after we stayed up at Chelsea, until the moment just before Stewart was sacked, almost every decision that was made ended up being the wrong one - with a few exceptions such as Grant. We ended up 'blowing our brains out' financially and this season we're still paying for it and the pandemic isn't helping. If we can get to the end of this season without getting relegated and bringing a few of the youngsters into the squad we'll be in a much better position than we've ever been. I'm more a 'happy clapper' than 'moaning fucker', but generally a realist. The club 'fucked it up' in the PL, but it can't be undone. Hopefully if we ever get there again we'll have learnt the lessons. Plus,especially for the 'Potless2' poster and friends - nobody is making money out of Town! Dean Hoyle MAY get most of the cash he invested back - without any interest! He certainly hadn't had anything for the time he put in, or the time he and his wife put into the Foundation. PH is certainly getting nothing out of the club, except for a load of abuse from a number of so called supporters. Surely Dean should pay have paid the price for ‘fucking it up’ in the PL and and deserves criticism for selling to a guy who clearly doesn’t have the means to take us forward. I’m yet to hear a good argument as to why Phil was the best buyer for the club rather than the best buyer for Dean Hoyle. Let’s face it Dean threw his toys out of the pram - possibly didn’t like the negativity in the second premier league season. I really can’t see why Phil took over other than to massage his own ego or to help a mate, but either way it doesn’t appear to have been in the best interests of the club with survival becoming our sole ambition. The posters are right that we have a one way ticket to league one with Phil in charge |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 2, 2020 10:02:43 GMT 1
Karlan Grant won't get 10 goals in premiership 16 million west brom getting robbed and what will we pay for a replacement striker? I beginning to think Hodgkinson is like Boris totally clueless less than 2weeks to new season and we got a possibly dodgy keeper an Ward in not very inspiring is it? Bookmarked  |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 2, 2020 10:16:19 GMT 1
"Offer rejected" according to John Percy (who is normally reliable). It's behind a paywall so not sure what the amount was?
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Post by impact on Sept 2, 2020 10:24:21 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially.
Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years.
Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza.
So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense.
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Post by alexdire on Sept 2, 2020 10:25:15 GMT 1
That £16m will not spend long in the HTFC accounts. It will fund the club for one season! The parachute payment has to pay off a bank loan that's due soon. We might get £4m in TV revenue and some season ticket revenue, but not much else and with an £18m plus wage bill we need some income from somewhere. The parachute payments like the premier league TV money comes in instalments. The loan taken out in summer 2019 was so we got the 2019/20 parachute payments up front. Then last years parachute payments pay the loan off as we get them. Well that's how its supposed to work. I've no qualms with any profit from Grant being used to pay off Dean Hoyle. The more we pay him off out of transfer profits the better, leaves more of the other income for the club. Originally, after relegation, I was hoping we'd sell Billing, Mooy and Kongolo for £15m each, clearing the money owed to Hoyle. But it didn't quite work like that |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 2, 2020 10:27:22 GMT 1
Karlan Grant won't get 10 goals in premiership 16 million west brom getting robbed and what will we pay for a replacement striker? I beginning to think Hodgkinson is like Boris totally clueless less than 2weeks to new season and we got a possibly dodgy keeper an Ward in not very inspiring is it? Grant wont get 10 in the Championship...one trick pony. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 2, 2020 10:36:01 GMT 1
Karlan Grant won't get 10 goals in premiership 16 million west brom getting robbed and what will we pay for a replacement striker? I beginning to think Hodgkinson is like Boris totally clueless less than 2weeks to new season and we got a possibly dodgy keeper an Ward in not very inspiring is it? Grant wont get 10 in the Championship...one trick pony. Bless |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 2, 2020 11:17:34 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. I can’t believe your asking this question. DH went out of his way to place PH in his place and told us all it’s in safe hands, the deal was geared to get DH everything he wanted not to get the club in the best position possible. Hope I’m wrong, won’t stop watching town ever so this predicament isn’t a positive for me, time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 11:22:56 GMT 1
Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. It's very rare I agree with anything you say but sadly I'm in agreement about this and I'm a so called happy clapper! and to people who say he deserves his money back I remember back when Dean was spending on player after player when Lee Clark was here people asked if he was putting the clubs future at risk to which he replied in the examiner that other people spend their money in the pub, at the bookies, on hobbies, he basically said this is my hobby and he doesn't want his money back. He said he didn't EXPECT to get his money back not that he didn't want his money back. And then we got promoted. The "impossible dream". Things changed, the club suddenly had a massive income stream and plans to operate with outgoings well under that (weren't we the most operationally profitable EPL club in our first season?), it could afford to pay him back so his expectation changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 11:36:34 GMT 1
Straight to Deano's coffers so he can have another gold tap installed, it would be laughable if it weren't so tragic. Deano did good for Town but in all honesty I'm a Town fan first and foremost and he's totally fucked up his legacy at Town, any goodwill he had with the fans has mostly evaporated now. Speak for yourself. Pity how it's ended but I have some amazing memories and saw something I never thought I'd live to witness. Were you looking over the shoulder of that oldish bloke who was Facetiming his wife during a midweek game? |
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2020 11:38:12 GMT 1
Half of me says if it were me, and i'd pumped £50m into Town (interest free) and given 10 years of my life to it (with no salary) and the club had the money (parachute payments..) then i'd say I want my loans repaying. I might have said that had I stayed as Chairman too.
The other half of me says I'd already written off that £50m..I've still got £200m+ and the missus has her own money..it was a good ride but shame I was let down so badly by my board, particularly when I was ill..however, the club are relegated but could bounce back by keeping some of the better players and using parachute money to get some momentum going..like Fulham and WBA...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 11:41:55 GMT 1
Except that when he did his final renovation he paid the price of Marble for laminate meaning he over capitalised. The house wasn’t worth what the owner hoped after the cost of the purchase and renovation. To make matters worse before the sale the roof collapsed in and the government installed a highway out the back which downgraded the area. To compensate the government will pay compensation to the title owner. When the property is up for sale, the owner wants those payments after the sale of the property. His error wasn’t selling to a person “with very shallow pockets and a very big mouth“(your words not mine), his error was wanting too much for his asset when it clearly was only worth that amount to a buyer who can only afford small running repairs and major repairs after pay day. So when it rains the cracks can be papered over but she’s still a leaky roof until the pay hits the bank and some parts of the house become a casualty of the rain. That's a brilliant analogy The roof leaks so we can't use any of the upstairs rooms , and its still raining so the flood water is coming up through the floorboards. Except we spent 20 years sleeping rough outside kingsgate. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 2, 2020 11:43:58 GMT 1
This whole sale to Phil made sense when it was actually thought up, before Seawart.
We were relegated at Christmas in the Premier League second season. Despite the sleepwalking into relegation speech the club knew this hence the signing of Jason Puncheon!!!!
At that point Billing, Mooy, Kongolo, Schindler etc were worth 20 million each!!!! We needed to either sell them then or keep Wagner and keep trying to win games then sell.
Seawart was an absolute disaster and the most embarrassing thing i’ve ever seen a Premier Club do. He pisssed off every player (except Aaron Rowe and DD) we looked like the Dog and Duck. Those 20 million pound players looked shite and like “trouble makers”. We managed to turn a squad worth 150 million into one worth less than 50 million.
That’s where the 100 million pound went that would have changed our club forever and i’m fuckin fuming about it!!!!!!!
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 2, 2020 12:00:32 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. Is that where you blame somebody electronically? |
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Post by detox on Sept 2, 2020 12:04:53 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. Is that where you blame somebody electronically? he might have meant embalming ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:07:23 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. Is that where you blame somebody electronically? Yep it’s what keyboard warriors do. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:07:47 GMT 1
Dean won't see any of it either! I think we just have to accept that from the moment after we stayed up at Chelsea, until the moment just before Stewart was sacked, almost every decision that was made ended up being the wrong one - with a few exceptions such as Grant. We ended up 'blowing our brains out' financially and this season we're still paying for it and the pandemic isn't helping. If we can get to the end of this season without getting relegated and bringing a few of the youngsters into the squad we'll be in a much better position than we've ever been. I'm more a 'happy clapper' than 'moaning fucker', but generally a realist. The club 'fucked it up' in the PL, but it can't be undone. Hopefully if we ever get there again we'll have learnt the lessons. Plus,especially for the 'Potless2' poster and friends - nobody is making money out of Town! Dean Hoyle MAY get most of the cash he invested back - without any interest! He certainly hadn't had anything for the time he put in, or the time he and his wife put into the Foundation. PH is certainly getting nothing out of the club, except for a load of abuse from a number of so called supporters. Surely Dean should pay have paid the price for ‘fucking it up’ in the PL and and deserves criticism for selling to a guy who clearly doesn’t have the means to take us forward. I’m yet to hear a good argument as to why Phil was the best buyer for the club rather than the best buyer for Dean Hoyle. Let’s face it Dean threw his toys out of the pram - possibly didn’t like the negativity in the second premier league season. He knew Phil would agree a deal on the best terms for him. Phil’s ego meant he jumped at the opportunity despite it really being a shit deal and having no real means to run a championship club (as has been evidenced to date). The posters are right that we have a one way ticket to league one with Phil in charge You should watch what you say if you don't want to be concerned whether another football club owner will sue for damages against a supporter who 'bad mouths' them on the internet, with stuff that isn't factually accurate. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 2, 2020 12:19:59 GMT 1
Hope WBA come back with an improved offer. Grant was bad enough after January, imagine how he'll be if he's sulking that he hasn't got his move again
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Post by boooothy on Sept 2, 2020 12:24:37 GMT 1
Hope WBA come back with an improved offer. Grant was bad enough after January, imagine how he'll be if he's sulking that he hasn't got his move again Can’t argue with that but where are the goals going to come from? We already have 3 centre forwards (i saw Campbell and Mounie training on their own today) we won’t be another. |
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Post by aca00js on Sept 2, 2020 13:08:56 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. Because he sold it to Phil who doesn't seem able to fund the club to the required level. The difference between the two seems to be that Hoyle had the money to aid cashflow for all these deals that are spread over multiple years but Phil hasn't the resources to do this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 13:23:47 GMT 1
I find it funny how many people ar eblaming Dean for everything financially. Yes he's due to get £15m this year. As a club we are due to get around £35m (which has already been brought forward as a bank loan). We got £42m last year. If Karlan goes that's another £16m and we got around £25m in in transfers last year. That's around £130m in in 2 years. Wage bill of £22m last year before anyone left and we haven't spent anything on transfers this year and 10m last year on Mbenza. So with a net £100m, how is Dean taking £15m back the reason everything is so screwed? I realise transfers are spread over time but that doesn't make sense. Because he sold it to Phil who doesn't seem able to fund the club to the required level. The difference between the two seems to be that Hoyle had the money to aid cashflow for all these deals that are spread over multiple years but Phil hasn't the resources to do this. Hoyle had the money? He bought a league one club who had been in league two more recently than the championship lets not over egg this. Phil has taken on a club which is stuck with average players on Premier League wages its two completely different transactions. Hoyle was wise sign Rhodes for a million sell for 8, reinvest in Butterfield etc for 500k sell for 5 million. I'm not suggesting Phil is loaded by any stretch but to me he's no more potless than Hoyle was. |
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