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Post by boooothy on Sept 3, 2020 12:56:13 GMT 1
If he takes our penalties he could get close and he's a far better all round footballer yes he is. What idiots West Brom are paying 16 Million when they could have had Ward for free. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 3, 2020 12:56:16 GMT 1
We'll never know will we, we were a PL club at the time filling the stadium week in week out, tbh Im not sure foreign investors buy clubs because of the value of the land and buildings. It's usually a vanity project. You don't buy a football club unless you're happy to lose an absolute fortune. Doesn't really matter if you have a fan in charge, they can only do the best they can and are always limited by their personal wealth, especially at champ level. There's good and bad, I dont think you can say a fan will always be a safe pair of hands and you cant say that a foreign investor wont be. What is a problem is if the owner cant afford the club or their circumstances change dramatically as we saw with Rubery. Sad state of affairs really but clubs these days need a benefactor to be successful. And we have equally seen plenty of examples of how foreign 'investors' can ruin you e.g. Wigan. Deano still owns 25% of the club and has the means to assist run things sensibly and sustainably. Unless he reads the shit on here and thinks. 'Fuck it' these idiots don't deserve support, I will walk away.Must admit, even if I had personal wealth that made Jeff Bezos & Bill Gates green with envy I wouldn't buy a football club. Even HTFC. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 3, 2020 13:06:39 GMT 1
What idiots West Brom are paying 16 Million when they could have had Ward for free. when did KG play full back for us, because Wardy has (cast your mind back) |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 3, 2020 13:10:05 GMT 1
What idiots West Brom are paying 16 Million when they could have had Ward for free. when did KG play full back for us, because Wardy has (cast your mind back) I get your point, he is a more rounded footballer which was your point. However he is an inferior goal scorer. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 3, 2020 13:30:15 GMT 1
He’s been a professional footballer for over 10 years. I can’t be arsed looking up the stats but i’d be surprised if he’s scored more than 10 in any one season. Apart for Danny Cadamatri i can think of another striker who fails to make double figures year after year. I can't really help you if you've not seen the evidence but you can't be arsed to look it up!! He's been playing as a striker for 4 seasons max...the last time he was anything other than getting the bit part minutes that he did at Cardiff, he bagged double figures...in a poor Rotherham team at this level. It may well be that he's past his best (although should be hitting a peak couple of years at age 28) - he did look a little sluggish in the friendly that I watched, but that may be down to playing central rather than my memory of him charging full pelt cutting in from the wide, but the EVIDENCE as it stands is that he's a really decent signing and offers something very different to Mounie and Campbell along with the versatility to play effectively in other positions where they would be a total liability. He even 'liked' a subsequent post that stated plenty of appearances! I can understand the counterargument, I was underwhelmed to start with and still aren't exactly jumping for joy. It's just that it's yet another somewhat exagerrated and lazy argument 🙈 It's so frustrating. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 3, 2020 13:47:07 GMT 1
I can't really help you if you've not seen the evidence but you can't be arsed to look it up!! He's been playing as a striker for 4 seasons max...the last time he was anything other than getting the bit part minutes that he did at Cardiff, he bagged double figures...in a poor Rotherham team at this level. It may well be that he's past his best (although should be hitting a peak couple of years at age 28) - he did look a little sluggish in the friendly that I watched, but that may be down to playing central rather than my memory of him charging full pelt cutting in from the wide, but the EVIDENCE as it stands is that he's a really decent signing and offers something very different to Mounie and Campbell along with the versatility to play effectively in other positions where they would be a total liability. He even 'liked' a subsequent post that stated plenty of appearances! I can understand the counterargument, I was underwhelmed to start with and still aren't exactly jumping for joy. It's just that it's yet another somewhat exagerrated and lazy argument 🙈 It's so frustrating. He’s a lazy signing, just like the goalkeeper. Easy to get done. I don’t want to spend millions but we should have gone to Wigan, Charlton, Hull etc unsettled their players through agents and taken advantage of the difficult times. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 13:59:27 GMT 1
Karlan Grant was the only shining light of our EPL relegation season.
He came into a team devoid of attacking ideas and intent and had a good goals to games ratio
He then played in an even more depleted side that avoided relegation by 1 game; had no attacking support, largely no senior LB behind him and STILL scored 19 goals.
He scored goals after us reportedly turning down offers for him in January
He scored goals up until the end of the season even after the break
How anyone can nit pick at how isn't a complete striker and isn't worth 16m is beyond me...
16m buys you very little these days; he has scored goals consistently. He can take pens, he can cut inside. He scores goals whilst not as a primary striker.
Thank you Karlan! I dread to think the freebie/cheap option that we may bring in as a replacement. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ward just slots in there and we;re left witht he stone statue Mounie as our main hope for goals.
We needed a new striker last season. We're about to sell our only source of goals.
God forbid who will line up for us on the 1st game of the season
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 3, 2020 14:15:16 GMT 1
He even 'liked' a subsequent post that stated plenty of appearances! I can understand the counterargument, I was underwhelmed to start with and still aren't exactly jumping for joy. It's just that it's yet another somewhat exagerrated and lazy argument 🙈 It's so frustrating. He’s a lazy signing, just like the goalkeeper. Easy to get done. I don’t want to spend millions but we should have gone to Wigan, Charlton, Hull etc unsettled their players through agents and taken advantage of the difficult times. Even if I don't fully agree, I don't think that's unreasonable. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2020 14:19:54 GMT 1
What idiots West Brom are paying 16 Million when they could have had Ward for free. Wardy is certainly better value |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 3, 2020 14:54:39 GMT 1
What idiots West Brom are paying 16 Million when they could have had Ward for free. Wardy is certainly better value Let’s hope so. I don’t think Grant has worked out exactly what he is yet and 16 million is a lot for and unfinished player. The squad might look very different in a couple of weeks and i’ll of been moaning about nowt UTT |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 3, 2020 14:55:07 GMT 1
Karlan Grant was the only shining light of our EPL relegation season. He came into a team devoid of attacking ideas and intent and had a good goals to games ratio He then played in an even more depleted side that avoided relegation by 1 game; had no attacking support, largely no senior LB behind him and STILL scored 19 goals. He scored goals after us reportedly turning down offers for him in January He scored goals up until the end of the season even after the break How anyone can nit pick at how isn't a complete striker and isn't worth 16m is beyond me... 16m buys you very little these days; he has scored goals consistently. He can take pens, he can cut inside. He scores goals whilst not as a primary striker. Thank you Karlan! I dread to think the freebie/cheap option that we may bring in as a replacement. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ward just slots in there and we;re left witht he stone statue Mounie as our main hope for goals. We needed a new striker last season. We're about to sell our only source of goals. God forbid who will line up for us on the 1st game of the season Wouldn't you rather keep an unhappy player then or think we should hold out for £40m? You've written a lot but I'm not sure what your point is? (I've slapped my own wrist for responding to the WUM by the way) |
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Post by linson on Sept 3, 2020 15:17:43 GMT 1
His point is KG is underrated around here and be careful what you wish for. Our striking and wing options at the moment are an embarrassment, even if KG leaves.
Mounie can't run and won't fit in to the new system
Campbell can't score
Diakhaby can't control a ball or go 5 minutes without looking like he's about to burst in to tears
Mbenzas head isn't here
Ward and Koroma are unknowns
No one in this team looks capable of getting more than 5 goals a season apart from KG.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Sept 3, 2020 15:20:20 GMT 1
Karlan Grant was the only shining light of our EPL relegation season. He came into a team devoid of attacking ideas and intent and had a good goals to games ratio He then played in an even more depleted side that avoided relegation by 1 game; had no attacking support, largely no senior LB behind him and STILL scored 19 goals. He scored goals after us reportedly turning down offers for him in January He scored goals up until the end of the season even after the break How anyone can nit pick at how isn't a complete striker and isn't worth 16m is beyond me... 16m buys you very little these days; he has scored goals consistently. He can take pens, he can cut inside. He scores goals whilst not as a primary striker. Thank you Karlan! I dread to think the freebie/cheap option that we may bring in as a replacement. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ward just slots in there and we;re left witht he stone statue Mounie as our main hope for goals. We needed a new striker last season. We're about to sell our only source of goals. God forbid who will line up for us on the 1st game of the season Wouldn't you rather keep an unhappy player then or think we should hold out for £40m? You've written a lot but I'm not sure what your point is? We should take the offer now I think, if we go too high WBA will look at other options for that price and may leave us with an unhappy player. (I've slapped my own wrist for responding to the WUM by the way) |
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Post by Melc on Sept 3, 2020 15:34:22 GMT 1
I’ve never warmed to Karlan Grant, I can’t put my finger on why. His demeanour and body language make me think he could be a bit of a twat but I suppose a lot of football players are. I’m too stuck in my ways of proud to wear the shirt, which hardly exists today. I suppose the problem isn’t Grant, it’s me. I still think he is probably a bit of a twat. I feel the same way, not sure why but he just does not seem to have engaged with the supporters to me. To say he is our top goal scorer I really don’t care if he goes as long as we get a decent fee. To be honest he has looked like he wanted away in January, just have to see what develops I suppose. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Sept 3, 2020 15:44:04 GMT 1
His point is KG is underrated around here and be careful what you wish for. Our striking and wing options at the moment are an embarrassment, even if KG leaves. Mounie can't run and won't fit in to the new system Campbell can't score Diakhaby can't control a ball or go 5 minutes without looking like he's about to burst in to tears Mbenzas head isn't here Ward and Koroma are unknowns No one in this team looks capable of getting more than 5 goals a season apart from KG. Bacuna got 6 last season despite games at RB. |
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Post by wigster on Sept 3, 2020 15:45:55 GMT 1
Karlan Grant was the only shining light of our EPL relegation season. He came into a team devoid of attacking ideas and intent and had a good goals to games ratio He then played in an even more depleted side that avoided relegation by 1 game; had no attacking support, largely no senior LB behind him and STILL scored 19 goals. He scored goals after us reportedly turning down offers for him in January He scored goals up until the end of the season even after the break How anyone can nit pick at how isn't a complete striker and isn't worth 16m is beyond me... 16m buys you very little these days; he has scored goals consistently. He can take pens, he can cut inside. He scores goals whilst not as a primary striker. Thank you Karlan! I dread to think the freebie/cheap option that we may bring in as a replacement. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ward just slots in there and we;re left witht he stone statue Mounie as our main hope for goals. We needed a new striker last season. We're about to sell our only source of goals. God forbid who will line up for us on the 1st game of the season WUM or not, I've no idea, but I agree with your post APART from the proviso that, as some people say, it is early days still (in the transfer market if not re the approaching season) and I can't imagine that Town would not spend SOME money on a replacement. I quite like Danny Ward but the thought of relying on him, Mounie and Campbell for goals would be very worrying. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2020 15:53:34 GMT 1
I don’t know why some fans constantly want to undervalue our players. Wanting to get rid of Grant for £16m is doing ourselves a disservice when you start looking around at the price paid for other players. Take Maupay at Brighton, he was bought by Brentford for £2m and sold to Brighton 2 years later for £22.2m. He scored 10 in the PL last year from 37 appearances. Grant had 4 in 12 in a diabolical team. Grant is young and still has room to improve his game to another level. He’s worth every bit of £20m. Hope Town can get it.
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Post by maddog on Sept 3, 2020 15:56:21 GMT 1
I don’t know why some fans constantly want to undervalue our players. Wanting to get rid of Grant for £16m is doing ourselves a disservice when you start looking around at the price paid for other players. Take Maupay at Brighton, he was bought by Brentford for £2m and sold to Brighton 2 years later for £22.2m. He scored 10 in the PL last year from 37 appearances. Grant had 4 in 12 in a diabolical team. Grant is young and still has room to improve his game to another level. He’s worth every bit of £20m. Hope Town can get it. Matty Cash, a full back, at £16m 😮 to Villa. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 3, 2020 15:57:06 GMT 1
I don’t know why some fans constantly want to undervalue our players. Wanting to get rid of Grant for £16m is doing ourselves a disservice when you start looking around at the price paid for other players. Take Maupay at Brighton, he was bought by Brentford for £2m and sold to Brighton 2 years later for £22.2m. He scored 10 in the PL last year from 37 appearances. Grant had 4 in 12 in a diabolical team. Grant is young and still has room to improve his game to another level. He’s worth every bit of £20m. Hope Town can get it. Eze went to Palace last week for £18.5m and he's streets ahead of Grant. £16m is great business. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2020 15:58:59 GMT 1
I don’t know why some fans constantly want to undervalue our players. Wanting to get rid of Grant for £16m is doing ourselves a disservice when you start looking around at the price paid for other players. Take Maupay at Brighton, he was bought by Brentford for £2m and sold to Brighton 2 years later for £22.2m. He scored 10 in the PL last year from 37 appearances. Grant had 4 in 12 in a diabolical team. Grant is young and still has room to improve his game to another level. He’s worth every bit of £20m. Hope Town can get it. Matty Cash, a full back, at £16m 😮 to Villa. Precisely. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 3, 2020 15:59:39 GMT 1
I don’t know why some fans constantly want to undervalue our players. Wanting to get rid of Grant for £16m is doing ourselves a disservice when you start looking around at the price paid for other players. Take Maupay at Brighton, he was bought by Brentford for £2m and sold to Brighton 2 years later for £22.2m. He scored 10 in the PL last year from 37 appearances. Grant had 4 in 12 in a diabolical team. Grant is young and still has room to improve his game to another level. He’s worth every bit of £20m. Hope Town can get it. Eze went to Palace last week for £18.5m and he's streets ahead of Grant. £16m is great business. Or Palace has QPR’s pants down. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 16:06:54 GMT 1
His point is KG is underrated around here and be careful what you wish for. Our striking and wing options at the moment are an embarrassment, even if KG leaves.Mounie can't run and won't fit in to the new system Campbell can't score Diakhaby can't control a ball or go 5 minutes without looking like he's about to burst in to tears Mbenzas head isn't here Ward and Koroma are unknowns No one in this team looks capable of getting more than 5 goals a season apart from KG. Thank you. Yes, my point is people are saying how overrated he is, one trick pony etc. Without him we would've been in lge1 without a shadow of a doubt. He's been an a great buy, kept going and scoring despite our shocking form in the last 18 months and no other attacking support other than ESR/Bacuna. I think 16-18m is great business and we should sell; but I'm under no illusion that we have no goals in the team and certainly won't find an inside left that will score 19 goals next season. We simply have to spend some of what dean doesn't take out of this on atleast another striker to DIRECTLY replace KG |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 3, 2020 16:17:36 GMT 1
His point is KG is underrated around here and be careful what you wish for. Our striking and wing options at the moment are an embarrassment, even if KG leaves. Mounie can't run and won't fit in to the new system Campbell can't score Diakhaby can't control a ball or go 5 minutes without looking like he's about to burst in to tears Mbenzas head isn't here Ward and Koroma are unknowns No one in this team looks capable of getting more than 5 goals a season apart from KG. Still doesn't answer the question. How good fans think he is, is completely irrelevant. We have an unhappy player who got progressively worse and less committed as the season went on but should we keep him anyway? |
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Post by jasrick on Sept 3, 2020 16:27:39 GMT 1
His point is KG is underrated around here and be careful what you wish for. Our striking and wing options at the moment are an embarrassment, even if KG leaves. Mounie can't run and won't fit in to the new system Campbell can't score Diakhaby can't control a ball or go 5 minutes without looking like he's about to burst in to tears Mbenzas head isn't here Ward and Koroma are unknowns No one in this team looks capable of getting more than 5 goals a season apart from KG. Still doesn't answer the question. How good fans think he is, is completely irrelevant. We have an unhappy player who got progressively worse and less committed as the season went on but should we keep him anyway? I think you hit the nail here. I’ve seen posters suggesting he was found out towards the end of the season, which I don’t agree with. It was his commitment that changed. A committed KG is worth a good whack of money but if he’s not committed to us then the sums being talked about represent good business. It’d also be good business for WBA, I’m sure he’d score goals for them in the prem. |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Sept 3, 2020 16:28:21 GMT 1
Personally speaking, I think Grant's been a great buy. He's been scoring in a poor side (albeit a lot of those have been penalties), and he's arguably the person most responsible for keeping us up last year. I've never particularly warmed to him and definitely don't see him as a complete player or world beater, but he's been a positive for Town.
However, he clearly wants to move on and I don't doubt that the club are eager for the boost in funds from his fee. It's best for all concerned that club and player negotiate a good deal. Looking for a replacement on the left largely depends on CCs intended formation, whether Diabenza are brought in from the cold etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see Willock back as his replacement.
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Post by linson on Sept 3, 2020 17:00:09 GMT 1
There's no doubt Grant has been a great buy, him and Toffolo are the stand out purchases in the past couple of years for me.
We bought him for £2m and we'll be selling at a massive profit and he kept us in the Championship, which in itself is worth an awful of money.
To answer your question, if a player doesn't want to be here we should act quickly to get a reasonable sum and find a like for like replacement with the money we'll get from selling him. If I was chairman I would instruct the scouts to have a dynamic contingency plan for the loss of players, manager and backroom staff so we could act very quickly if they suddenly upped and left for whatever reason. We're supposed to be a professional outfit.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 3, 2020 17:18:48 GMT 1
There's no doubt Grant has been a great buy, him and Toffolo are the stand out purchases in the past couple of years for me. We bought him for £2m and we'll be selling at a massive profit and he kept us in the Championship, which in itself is worth an awful of money. To answer your question, if a player doesn't want to be here we should act quickly to get a reasonable sum and find a like for like replacement with the money we'll get from selling him. If I was chairman I would instruct the scouts to have a dynamic contingency plan for the loss of players, manager and backroom staff so we could act very quickly if they suddenly upped and left for whatever reason. We're supposed to be a professional outfit. I think you are right but “Dynamic contingency plan” - I’m not sure I’ve ever seen evidence of this at Town. |
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Post by linson on Sept 3, 2020 17:43:23 GMT 1
There's no doubt Grant has been a great buy, him and Toffolo are the stand out purchases in the past couple of years for me. We bought him for £2m and we'll be selling at a massive profit and he kept us in the Championship, which in itself is worth an awful of money. To answer your question, if a player doesn't want to be here we should act quickly to get a reasonable sum and find a like for like replacement with the money we'll get from selling him. If I was chairman I would instruct the scouts to have a dynamic contingency plan for the loss of players, manager and backroom staff so we could act very quickly if they suddenly upped and left for whatever reason. We're supposed to be a professional outfit. I think you are right but “Dynamic contingency plan” - I’m not sure I’ve ever seen evidence of this at Town. As always I pretty much agree with everything you post Overton. Anyone can deal with problems as they arise, real leadership comes from being proactive and thinking ahead. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 3, 2020 17:45:32 GMT 1
There's no doubt Grant has been a great buy, him and Toffolo are the stand out purchases in the past couple of years for me. We bought him for £2m and we'll be selling at a massive profit and he kept us in the Championship, which in itself is worth an awful of money. To answer your question, if a player doesn't want to be here we should act quickly to get a reasonable sum and find a like for like replacement with the money we'll get from selling him. If I was chairman I would instruct the scouts to have a dynamic contingency plan for the loss of players, manager and backroom staff so we could act very quickly if they suddenly upped and left for whatever reason. We're supposed to be a professional outfit. I think you are right but “Dynamic contingency plan” - I’m not sure I’ve ever seen evidence of this at Town. The word 'dynamic' and 'Town' should never appear in the same sentence. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 3, 2020 19:16:29 GMT 1
You replied to mine which was originally aimed at the whole thread. Yes and it was about your post. You replied as if it was to someone else’s post. |
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