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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 13, 2021 22:06:48 GMT 1
kent variant indian variant delta variant nights start getting shorter a week tommorow ...you aint going back to normal attendance for 2021 season ...another year goes by. Nights start getting longer mate.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 22:10:56 GMT 1
5000 seats should be easily enough next season if all the drama Queens on here stay true to their word
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jun 14, 2021 0:13:14 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power.
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Post by willo on Jun 14, 2021 0:37:59 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power. Whenever they put these looking back to the 1970’s tv shows on Channel 5, it looks that grim life looks like it should have been lived in black & white.
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Post by willo on Jun 14, 2021 0:38:59 GMT 1
I was out in Leeds with a bunch of mates Friday afternoon going into night and could not believe how quiet the place was. A part of that might be to do with the fact that booking a table at a venue to then do track & trace before downloading apps to then place an order is a pain in the arse and folk just can’t be bothered but equally, they may be being overly cautious about going out. All my local watering holes are doing walk-ins without the need to book anything and will even take cash. Some of these establishments in towns and cities are just making life hard for themselves and everybody else for no reason whatsoever. Will probably be my last visit into Leeds until things (hopefully) properly return to normal not because I’m concerned about getting Covid but because of the hassle involved, far easier for me to stay local. I was out in Leeds on a Saturday two weeks ago. It was heaving. Blimey! Goes to show the difference 2 weeks can make. Wonder why the big difference in numbers?
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Post by westislandterrier on Jun 14, 2021 1:24:04 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power. Whenever they put these looking back to the 1970’s tv shows on Channel 5, it looks that grim life looks like it should have been lived in black & white. We had just got a colour tv the year I started to support Town luckily enough (1979/80). Incredibly where I stayed we couldn’t get Scottish tv channels, it was five from Ireland (3 from the north and two from the republic). So it was the cream of English football with The Big Match and Match of the Day ! We also had all the Irish matches like Linfield v Glentoran from Belfast and Shamrock Rovers v Bohemians from Dublin and Gaa Gaelic football and Hurling and Camogie. The news was depressing and I remember getting sent out to play after Nationwide (the uk wide news programme back then) as the Irish news picture content was too graphic for kids to watch. Then they stuck up two Scottish tv masts in 1981 and we had EIGHT tv channels and Scottish footy as well. Weren’t we spoiled then as I’d imagine that all the mainstream cities the length of the UK would only have the three. I don’t think many in my village bothered with a tv licence back then despite all these channels. I vaguely remember in that hot summer of 1976 a yellow GPO van arrived in our wee estate and a hatch on the roof opening and a huge pole with ringed ariels shooting up higher and higher. Every kid abandoned the match on the tringled grass ‘stadium’ and scarpered North,South,East and West to warn mummy and daddy that the ‘bad’ tv folk were in town ! I think it was The GPO that did the licensing (or lack of it in my village) back then. I think it was a Commer van and the name was written across a vertical frontage on the vehicle. Aah the good old memories and all that... !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 9:54:08 GMT 1
I was out in Leeds on a Saturday two weeks ago. It was heaving. Blimey! Goes to show the difference 2 weeks can make. Wonder why the big difference in numbers? 2 weeks ago was Spring Bank holiday weekend, and all the schools/colleges had broken up, was also final date of the year at college for those in final year of A-Levels. No wonder it was heaving!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 9:59:11 GMT 1
Whenever they put these looking back to the 1970’s tv shows on Channel 5, it looks that grim life looks like it should have been lived in black & white. We had just got a colour tv the year I started to support Town luckily enough (1979/80) With a WIRED remote control if same as ours!!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 14, 2021 10:15:40 GMT 1
we're not going to see full stadia this year. Boris will make sure of that tonight.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 10:31:07 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power. As many on here have said - we had the opportunity to get things back to near as normal as possible - excellent vaccine roll out with an effective vaccine. Then we let in the delta variant - better control of our borders could have stopped this. This has set us back, it spreads faster, could be more dangerous, I get the reaso0n for lockdown, I understand the pressure on the NHS - I was happy with the lockdown and the restrictions but to not have done better with reducing the import of new strains is incompetence and I fully understand the feelings of those that say enough is enough. I disliked Thatcher but she didn't spend her time trying to impress, she acted and acted swiftly, she would have made a much better job of dealing with the whole covid thing than the bunch of sycophants that we have at the moment.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 11:02:51 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power. As many on here have said - we had the opportunity to get things back to near as normal as possible - excellent vaccine roll out with an effective vaccine. Then we let in the delta variant - better control of our borders could have stopped this. This has set us back, it spreads faster, could be more dangerous, I get the reaso0n for lockdown, I understand the pressure on the NHS - I was happy with the lockdown and the restrictions but to not have done better with reducing the import of new strains is incompetence and I fully understand the feelings of those that say enough is enough. I disliked Thatcher but she didn't spend her time trying to impress, she acted and acted swiftly, she would have made a much better job of dealing with the whole covid thing than the bunch of sycophants that we have at the moment. Is there any evidence of that? This is where there isn't an end to this... there will ALWAYS be new variants that 'could' be more dangerous or 'could' get round vaccines. If we lockdown now because of that fear when practically everyone in any danger whatsoever is protected by a vaccine and the NHS is barely being effected by the virus, then when will we NOT lockdown? Sooner or later we will have to accept covid is here to stay and will kill a few thousand people a year.. just as flu does and various other infections... and as we do with those, get on with life. without giving it much thought.
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Post by goodbet on Jun 14, 2021 11:20:24 GMT 1
People need to realize this virus is here to stay and thing's wont be the same for at least the next twelve month's, if only 6/7,000 fans are allowed in, so be it. The moaners will continue to moan because their a bunch of moaners, ffs some of them should have been around in the 70's then they would have had something to moan about, 4th division football, power cuts, decimalization, strikes by bin men, miners, postal workers and worst of all!! Thatcher came to power. Whenever they put these looking back to the 1970’s tv shows on Channel 5, it looks that grim life looks like it should have been lived in black & white. Life was very black and white in those days the whole country was polarised with no middle ground. Thatcher came to power against the backdrop of union power and the right wing press because people wanted an end to the constant strife. One of Margaret's statement was that "there is no such thing as society." I remember buying a new British Leyland car and I had to have it re-sprayed 12 months later because of the rust coming through. Some of the outcomes that were not envisaged due to decisions made at that time are the banking crash due to the dismantling of regulations and zero hour contracts. We don't seem to manage change very well swinging one way and then the other never tweaking and adjusting as we go along.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 11:35:42 GMT 1
As many on here have said - we had the opportunity to get things back to near as normal as possible - excellent vaccine roll out with an effective vaccine. Then we let in the delta variant - better control of our borders could have stopped this. This has set us back, it spreads faster, could be more dangerous, I get the reaso0n for lockdown, I understand the pressure on the NHS - I was happy with the lockdown and the restrictions but to not have done better with reducing the import of new strains is incompetence and I fully understand the feelings of those that say enough is enough. I disliked Thatcher but she didn't spend her time trying to impress, she acted and acted swiftly, she would have made a much better job of dealing with the whole covid thing than the bunch of sycophants that we have at the moment. Is there any evidence of that?
This is where there isn't an end to this... there will ALWAYS be new variants that 'could' be more dangerous or 'could' get round vaccines. If we lockdown now because of that fear when practically everyone in any danger whatsoever is protected by a vaccine and the NHS is barely being effected by the virus, then when will we NOT lockdown? Sooner or later we will have to accept covid is here to stay and will kill a few thousand people a year.. just as flu does and various other infections... and as we do with those, get on with life. without giving it much thought. Figures suggest more 30-45 year olds are ending up in hospital than previously but the level of infection is still low at the moment so it could be a statistical anomaly. I agree that once everyone (most people) are vaccinated the we should be able to return to normal and will have to accept that Covid will kill people - but we can also take precautions against new variants - we only allow travel without isolation on return to countries with very low levels of infection rates or where the majority have been vaccinated. The Indian variant was allowed in for political reasons - infection rates in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India were the same when Bangladesh and Pakistan were put on the red list but not India. It had something to do with Boris wanting to go there to seal a trade deal, a visit even he had to postpone eventually. Without the Delta variant we would have been looking at freedom on the 21st of June. I have tickets for festivals, concerts and the theatre this summer plus my season ticket. I would like to use them.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 11:38:15 GMT 1
Whenever they put these looking back to the 1970’s tv shows on Channel 5, it looks that grim life looks like it should have been lived in black & white. Life was very black and white in those days the whole country was polarised with no middle ground.
Thatcher came to power against the backdrop of union power and the right wing press because people wanted an end to the constant strife. One of Margaret's statement was that "there is no such thing as society." I remember buying a new British Leyland car and I had to have it re-sprayed 12 months later because of the rust coming through. Some of the outcomes that were not envisaged due to decisions made at that time are the banking crash due to the dismantling of regulations and zero hour contracts. We don't seem to manage change very well swinging one way and then the other never tweaking and adjusting as we go along. I think it just as polarised now. Brexit Black Lives Matter The environment/Global warming Covid - you just have to look at the posts on here to see how divided we are on this.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 14, 2021 11:42:10 GMT 1
Life was very black and white in those days the whole country was polarised with no middle ground.
Thatcher came to power against the backdrop of union power and the right wing press because people wanted an end to the constant strife. One of Margaret's statement was that "there is no such thing as society." I remember buying a new British Leyland car and I had to have it re-sprayed 12 months later because of the rust coming through. Some of the outcomes that were not envisaged due to decisions made at that time are the banking crash due to the dismantling of regulations and zero hour contracts. We don't seem to manage change very well swinging one way and then the other never tweaking and adjusting as we go along. I think it just as polarised now. Brexit Black Lives Matter The environment/Global warming Covid - you just have to look at the posts on here to see how divided we are on this. If we continue to refer to ; The black community. The Asian Community. The Polish community. Etc etc etc, then there is no real society, just a bunch of different communities who just happen to live on the same small Island?
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Post by 28901 on Jun 14, 2021 11:57:31 GMT 1
Boris wanted to go to India to make a trade deal so we didn't restrict travel to India early enough - apparently despite warnings. Now we have to deal with the delta variant. We are an island - we could close our borders as have New Zealand and Australia - this would have a huge impact on new variants getting a foot hold. With no new variants we knew the vaccine worked and we could all go back to a reasonable life without too many restrictions - Boris makes the political decisions trouble he he always acts three weeks too late We're an island, but we're NOT New Zealand or Australia! I bet 5x as many people visit the UK from overseas every year as do NZ and Australia combined - If the number was business travellers rather than just tourists, I suspect the multiplier is more like 50 or even a 100x. They're about 3000% larger than us by size - almost as large as the entirety of Europe. Mash those two factors together and its EASY to stop a transmissible disease getting in to Australia and NZ compared to UK. Plus - do you really want to live under a right-on woke PM like they have in NZ, more concerned with shutting down cities at the slightest hint of a problem such as one household having illness, rather than solving the issue. Their population under the age of 65 still don't have any access to a vaccine expected until end of July. They're prisoners by necessity. We're prisoners by CHOICE 🤷♂️ Explain woke? Im my experience anyone using that term as an insult is a cretin.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 12:00:40 GMT 1
Is there any evidence of that?
This is where there isn't an end to this... there will ALWAYS be new variants that 'could' be more dangerous or 'could' get round vaccines. If we lockdown now because of that fear when practically everyone in any danger whatsoever is protected by a vaccine and the NHS is barely being effected by the virus, then when will we NOT lockdown? Sooner or later we will have to accept covid is here to stay and will kill a few thousand people a year.. just as flu does and various other infections... and as we do with those, get on with life. without giving it much thought. Figures suggest more 30-45 year olds are ending up in hospital than previously but the level of infection is still low at the moment so it could be a statistical anomaly. I agree that once everyone (most people) are vaccinated the we should be able to return to normal and will have to accept that Covid will kill people - but we can also take precautions against new variants - we only allow travel without isolation on return to countries with very low levels of infection rates or where the majority have been vaccinated. The Indian variant was allowed in for political reasons - infection rates in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India were the same when Bangladesh and Pakistan were put on the red list but not India. It had something to do with Boris wanting to go there to seal a trade deal, a visit even he had to postpone eventually. Without the Delta variant we would have been looking at freedom on the 21st of June. I have tickets for festivals, concerts and the theatre this summer plus my season ticket. I would like to use them. Don't think thats true actually. India was showing similar figures but with VASTLY more testing going on to find them, so the presumption ( correctly IMO ) was that the virus was way more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh at the time than it was in India. Problem we had is that thousands of Uk citizens were in India, so really you have to let them come home. What we could have done was to be WAY more strict on them isolating when they return. Trusting people who have shown very little inclination to follow procedures all the way through this to then isolate themselves in their own home and communities was staggeringly naive IMO. Isn't it the case that a greater percentage of those being hospitalised are younger now? ie, simply because very few older people are? The number of people seriously ill in hospital ( requiring ventilation beds ) has barely gone up. About 30 from the low of a few weeks ago. That increase barely registers and is still 1 patient per 8 hospitals in the UK on average.
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Post by goodbet on Jun 14, 2021 12:07:13 GMT 1
Life was very black and white in those days the whole country was polarised with no middle ground.
Thatcher came to power against the backdrop of union power and the right wing press because people wanted an end to the constant strife. One of Margaret's statement was that "there is no such thing as society." I remember buying a new British Leyland car and I had to have it re-sprayed 12 months later because of the rust coming through. Some of the outcomes that were not envisaged due to decisions made at that time are the banking crash due to the dismantling of regulations and zero hour contracts. We don't seem to manage change very well swinging one way and then the other never tweaking and adjusting as we go along. I think it just as polarised now. Brexit Black Lives Matter The environment/Global warming Covid - you just have to look at the posts on here to see how divided we are on this. There will always be some differences in the society but we don't have the miners and the police arranging fights in an evening not at the pit gate just to have a go at one another. The trouble that the poll tax brought in. We still have our differences but generally not so large. I have not seen a riot over Brexit and global warming now that Trump has gone the doubters have lost their champion. With Black lives matter society has made giant strides. Having friends that have a mixed race marriage the difficulties that they faced in the 60's & the 70's have not disappeared but are much less than they were then. Working in the Middle East in the 1980's and 90's they did not log accidents that just involved third world nationals. The big difference seems to be that the population now seem to follow the cult of the personality. This could be the press or twitter and it has extended in to politics for Trump and to a lesser extent to Boris. If anyone wants to carry this on please do so OFF Topic before we get a yellow card.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 13:05:43 GMT 1
We're an island, but we're NOT New Zealand or Australia! I bet 5x as many people visit the UK from overseas every year as do NZ and Australia combined - If the number was business travellers rather than just tourists, I suspect the multiplier is more like 50 or even a 100x. They're about 3000% larger than us by size - almost as large as the entirety of Europe. Mash those two factors together and its EASY to stop a transmissible disease getting in to Australia and NZ compared to UK. Plus - do you really want to live under a right-on woke PM like they have in NZ, more concerned with shutting down cities at the slightest hint of a problem such as one household having illness, rather than solving the issue. Their population under the age of 65 still don't have any access to a vaccine expected until end of July. They're prisoners by necessity. We're prisoners by CHOICE 🤷♂️ Explain woke? Im my experience anyone using that term as an insult is a cretin. Yeah I don't actually mean woke I suppose - I mean liberal (small 'l') in terms of her being a serial 'do-gooder'...with a "look how awesome we're doing this, the whole world should follow" outlook, which the whole NZ population seems to have backed. They're a small country, its easy.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 13:09:47 GMT 1
Figures suggest more 30-45 year olds are ending up in hospital than previously but the level of infection is still low at the moment so it could be a statistical anomaly. I agree that once everyone (most people) are vaccinated the we should be able to return to normal and will have to accept that Covid will kill people - but we can also take precautions against new variants - we only allow travel without isolation on return to countries with very low levels of infection rates or where the majority have been vaccinated. The Indian variant was allowed in for political reasons - infection rates in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India were the same when Bangladesh and Pakistan were put on the red list but not India. It had something to do with Boris wanting to go there to seal a trade deal, a visit even he had to postpone eventually. Without the Delta variant we would have been looking at freedom on the 21st of June. I have tickets for festivals, concerts and the theatre this summer plus my season ticket. I would like to use them. Don't think thats true actually. India was showing similar figures but with VASTLY more testing going on to find them, so the presumption ( correctly IMO ) was that the virus was way more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh at the time than it was in India. Problem we had is that thousands of Uk citizens were in India, so really you have to let them come home. What we could have done was to be WAY more strict on them isolating when they return. Trusting people who have shown very little inclination to follow procedures all the way through this to then isolate themselves in their own home and communities was staggeringly naive IMO. Isn't it the case that a greater percentage of those being hospitalised are younger now? ie, simply because very few older people are? The number of people seriously ill in hospital ( requiring ventilation beds ) has barely gone up. About 30 from the low of a few weeks ago. That increase barely registers and is still 1 patient per 8 hospitals in the UK on average.Yes it could be - that is why I said it could be a statistical anomaly - if we want a quick answer - we end all restrictions - numbers of infections increase - if the vaccines work and those in 30-45 are as safe as with the other variants then we are fine - if they are more susceptible we have let the cat out of the bag. The problem with all these things is the bigger the numbers the more reliable the data. Hopefully in 4 weeks time Ithings will be clearer and we can come out of retictions - too late for my holiday in Flamborough - looks like I will have to book restaurants and bars well in advance. ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png)
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Post by 28901 on Jun 14, 2021 13:12:30 GMT 1
Explain woke? Im my experience anyone using that term as an insult is a cretin. Yeah I don't actually mean woke I suppose - I mean liberal (small 'l') in terms of her being a serial 'do-gooder'...with a "look how awesome we're doing this, the whole world should follow" outlook, which the whole NZ population seems to have backed. They're a small country, its easy. It is but I don't see how that can be criticised if its successful. Meanwhile it looks like we are staying locked down for ever to stop people being ill. I'm listening to a bloke right now who admits that deaths haven't increased but still advocates restrictions. Ridiculous beyond words.
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Post by deepc on Jun 14, 2021 13:58:39 GMT 1
The latest mantra I am hearing from the experts is " you would not speed up if you were driving down a road and came to bend that you cannot see beyond "
Heard 3 of them use it over the weekend, obviously all got the memo then.
Too many with a vested interest with keeping us all in a state of anxiety too scared to go back out and mix in society.
You can bet your bottom dollar that not one of these "experts" the media are so keen to get a dose of doom and gloom from have taken a financial hit throughout the pandemic but are only too keen to extend the misery on the rest of us.
Around 1000 beds with covid patients in them . Ah, but it could get worse they tell us. So lets stop society fully opening up just in case.
Madness .
In the meantime the unmeasured death toll from this pandemic , made up of undiagnosed cancer and heart disease conditions grows daily and nobody seems particularly concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 14:03:18 GMT 1
Yeah I don't actually mean woke I suppose - I mean liberal (small 'l') in terms of her being a serial 'do-gooder'...with a "look how awesome we're doing this, the whole world should follow" outlook, which the whole NZ population seems to have backed. They're a small country, its easy. It is but I don't see how that can be criticised if its successful. Meanwhile it looks like we are staying locked down for ever to stop people being ill. I'm listening to a bloke right now who admits that deaths haven't increased but still advocates restrictions. Ridiculous beyond words. The criticism is not for being successful, its for the superiority complex. I know people in New Zealand and see their thoughts and the thoughts of people they know out there. They are totally brainwashed. I think what we've discovered over the last 18months is that a large majority of people want to to be given 'instructions for living', detailed to the nth degree...whilst at the same time decrying the North Korean approach. Its very confusing for those of us who want to be left alone to behave reasonably and get on with stuff. ie - not going around robbing and killing people, working for a living, spending money to freely do stuff we enjoy doing without draconian rules being enforced. I mean - since September last year, we've lived in a place where its ILLEGAL for pubs to play music louder than 85dB, and people who run pubs are bound by law to take 'all reasonable measures' to ensure that customers don't dance or sing. Just think about that for a moment. Its been subject to no parliamentary scrutiny, there is no credible opposition to fight these oppresive decisions, by definition, we are living under a fascist regime. WHY aren't we rising up against it en masse? www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1008/regulation/2/2020-10-02/data.xht?view=snippet&wrap=true
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Post by 28901 on Jun 14, 2021 14:10:49 GMT 1
It is but I don't see how that can be criticised if its successful. Meanwhile it looks like we are staying locked down for ever to stop people being ill. I'm listening to a bloke right now who admits that deaths haven't increased but still advocates restrictions. Ridiculous beyond words. The criticism is not for being successful, its for the superiority complex. I know people in New Zealand and see their thoughts and the thoughts of people they know out there. They are totally brainwashed. I think what we've discovered over the last 18months is that a large majority of people want to to be given 'instructions for living', detailed to the nth degree...whilst at the same time decrying the North Korean approach. Its very confusing for those of us who want to be left alone to behave reasonably and get on with stuff. ie - not going around robbing and killing people, working for a living, spending money to freely do stuff we enjoy doing without draconian rules being enforced. I mean - since September last year, we've lived in a place where its ILLEGAL for pubs to play music louder than 85dB, and people who run pubs are bound by law to take 'all reasonable measures' to ensure that customers don't dance or sing. Just think about that for a moment. Its been subject to no parliamentary scrutiny, there is no credible opposition to fight these oppresive decisions, by definition, we are living under a fascist regime. WHY aren't we rising up against it en masse? www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1008/regulation/2/2020-10-02/data.xht?view=snippet&wrap=trueIts unbelievable I agree. But the general public seem to have been scared into submission by an illness which for the vast majority comes with a tiny risk of dying, and that was without the vaccination. i Actually think they are surprised at how everyone has just gone along with it.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 14:12:04 GMT 1
Figures suggest more 30-45 year olds are ending up in hospital than previously but the level of infection is still low at the moment so it could be a statistical anomaly. I agree that once everyone (most people) are vaccinated the we should be able to return to normal and will have to accept that Covid will kill people - but we can also take precautions against new variants - we only allow travel without isolation on return to countries with very low levels of infection rates or where the majority have been vaccinated. The Indian variant was allowed in for political reasons - infection rates in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India were the same when Bangladesh and Pakistan were put on the red list but not India. It had something to do with Boris wanting to go there to seal a trade deal, a visit even he had to postpone eventually. Without the Delta variant we would have been looking at freedom on the 21st of June. I have tickets for festivals, concerts and the theatre this summer plus my season ticket. I would like to use them. Don't think thats true actually. India was showing similar figures but with VASTLY more testing going on to find them, so the presumption ( correctly IMO ) was that the virus was way more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh at the time than it was in India.
Problem we had is that thousands of Uk citizens were in India, so really you have to let them come home. What we could have done was to be WAY more strict on them isolating when they return. Trusting people who have shown very little inclination to follow procedures all the way through this to then isolate themselves in their own home and communities was staggeringly naive IMO. Isn't it the case that a greater percentage of those being hospitalised are younger now? ie, simply because very few older people are? The number of people seriously ill in hospital ( requiring ventilation beds ) has barely gone up. About 30 from the low of a few weeks ago. That increase barely registers and is still 1 patient per 8 hospitals in the UK on average. Published figures for the 2nd of April - Cases in Pakistan 5020 - I accept this is likely to be well below the actual value - cases in India 89 000 - whilst this is likely to be closer to the real figure there are vast parts of India where testings is not rigorous The population of India is 5 time that of Pakistan - the rate of infection in Pakistan is 3 times less based on those figures even allowing for a significant variation in testing it would have been wise to treat India with caution.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 14:27:31 GMT 1
The latest mantra I am hearing from the experts is " you would not speed up if you were driving down a road and came to bend that you cannot see beyond " Heard 3 of them use it over the weekend, obviously all got the memo then. Too many with a vested interest with keeping us all in a state of anxiety too scared to go back out and mix in society. You can bet your bottom dollar that not one of these "experts" the media are so keen to get a dose of doom and gloom from have taken a financial hit throughout the pandemic but are only too keen to extend the misery on the rest of us. Around 1000 beds with covid patients in them . Ah, but it could get worse they tell us. So lets stop society fully opening up just in case. Madness . In the meantime the unmeasured death toll from this pandemic , made up of undiagnosed cancer and heart disease conditions grows daily and nobody seems particularly concerned. GRRRRR A better analogy would be that you've pulled out from a side road onto a dual carriageway in a souped up sports car but are still refusing to speed up. The Indian variant is a slow moving lorry that you are flatly refusing to overtake because youre a shit driver and this simple manoeuvre scares you. So you plod along behind it whilst all the other cars overtake you both, wondering why a shivering idiot in a sports car is sat plodding along stuck behind a lorry.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 14:41:45 GMT 1
Don't think thats true actually. India was showing similar figures but with VASTLY more testing going on to find them, so the presumption ( correctly IMO ) was that the virus was way more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh at the time than it was in India.
Problem we had is that thousands of Uk citizens were in India, so really you have to let them come home. What we could have done was to be WAY more strict on them isolating when they return. Trusting people who have shown very little inclination to follow procedures all the way through this to then isolate themselves in their own home and communities was staggeringly naive IMO. Isn't it the case that a greater percentage of those being hospitalised are younger now? ie, simply because very few older people are? The number of people seriously ill in hospital ( requiring ventilation beds ) has barely gone up. About 30 from the low of a few weeks ago. That increase barely registers and is still 1 patient per 8 hospitals in the UK on average. Published figures for the 2nd of April - Cases in Pakistan 5020 - I accept this is likely to be well below the actual value - cases in India 89 000 - whilst this is likely to be closer to the real figure there are vast parts of India where testings is not rigorous The population of India is 5 time that of Pakistan - the rate of infection in Pakistan is 3 times less based on those figures even allowing for a significant variation in testing it would have been wise to treat India with caution. Might have been a little later than that, the data I read about. It seemed to make sense when I read it.. to do with cases rising in Pakistan dramatically combined with how little testing they were doing., compared to the data in India at the time. But I do agree, We should have treated India with much more caution. You can't stop Uk citizens returning home, but you can police them isolating WAY better than we did.. which was basically just asking them to. This is a demographic which everyone knows have done bollock all in terms of following lockdown measures, including having a crap uptake of the vaccine. The idea they would arrive back from the sub continent and rigidly isolate themselves for 10 days because they were asked to was beyond naive and we're now all paying the price for that.
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Post by dugnet on Jun 14, 2021 17:10:48 GMT 1
Yet another classic DATM debate.
There is a simple answer to where we are. The scientists are advising we get more people dual vaccinated before "opening up". There is a logic which is consistent with the way things have been managed this year.
Whether you agree with that approach is your choice but the delay is to be expected.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 18:02:54 GMT 1
Yet another classic DATM debate. There is a simple answer to where we are. The scientists are advising we get more people dual vaccinated before "opening up". There is a logic which is consistent with the way things have been managed this year. Whether you agree with that approach is your choice but the delay is to be expected. Yup. Dont think its a surprise to anyone. It won't be a surprise to anyone in 4 weeks either when it carries on for some nonsense reason.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 14, 2021 18:18:45 GMT 1
Yet another classic DATM debate. There is a simple answer to where we are. The scientists are advising we get more people dual vaccinated before "opening up". There is a logic which is consistent with the way things have been managed this year. Whether you agree with that approach is your choice but the delay is to be expected. Weeks ago when road map first outlined the frothing numpties crying 'they said data not dates and then just gave us a load of dates' Now the data suggests it might be a good idea to put back those dates the frothing numpties will be screaming 'no open up everything right now'. Because now of course the data will be 'wrong' 😂
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