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Post by huddersfc on Jun 14, 2021 18:43:45 GMT 1
The latest mantra I am hearing from the experts is " you would not speed up if you were driving down a road and came to bend that you cannot see beyond " Heard 3 of them use it over the weekend, obviously all got the memo then. Too many with a vested interest with keeping us all in a state of anxiety too scared to go back out and mix in society. You can bet your bottom dollar that not one of these "experts" the media are so keen to get a dose of doom and gloom from have taken a financial hit throughout the pandemic but are only too keen to extend the misery on the rest of us. Around 1000 beds with covid patients in them . Ah, but it could get worse they tell us. So lets stop society fully opening up just in case. Madness . In the meantime the unmeasured death toll from this pandemic , made up of undiagnosed cancer and heart disease conditions grows daily and nobody seems particularly concerned. GRRRRR They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 19:05:43 GMT 1
The latest mantra I am hearing from the experts is " you would not speed up if you were driving down a road and came to bend that you cannot see beyond " Heard 3 of them use it over the weekend, obviously all got the memo then. Too many with a vested interest with keeping us all in a state of anxiety too scared to go back out and mix in society. You can bet your bottom dollar that not one of these "experts" the media are so keen to get a dose of doom and gloom from have taken a financial hit throughout the pandemic but are only too keen to extend the misery on the rest of us. Around 1000 beds with covid patients in them . Ah, but it could get worse they tell us. So lets stop society fully opening up just in case. Madness . In the meantime the unmeasured death toll from this pandemic , made up of undiagnosed cancer and heart disease conditions grows daily and nobody seems particularly concerned. GRRRRR They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. According to the Daily Express today 54% of voters agree with the proposed extension. I wouldn't trust the express on anything but it suggest that you are wrong with your 1%.
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Post by huddersfc on Jun 14, 2021 19:13:17 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. According to the Daily Express today 54% of voters agree with the proposed extension. I wouldn't trust the express on anything but it suggest that you are wrong with your 1%. Fair enough. I was slightly exaggerating with 1% but if I was having a genuine guess, I dont think I would have gone north of 10%. I find that absolutely amazing. Like, seriously amazing. I honestly dont understand who is voting for that though. The older and vulnerable have already been vaccinated, as have the middle aged. And the younger people who havnt are at like barely zero risk from it. So what group of people are voting for longer restrictions? Hermits? Agoraphobics?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 20:15:03 GMT 1
According to the Daily Express today 54% of voters agree with the proposed extension. I wouldn't trust the express on anything but it suggest that you are wrong with your 1%. Fair enough. I was slightly exaggerating with 1% but if I was having a genuine guess, I dont think I would have gone north of 10%. I find that absolutely amazing. Like, seriously amazing. I honestly dont understand who is voting for that though. The older and vulnerable have already been vaccinated, as have the middle aged. And the younger people who havnt are at like barely zero risk from it. So what group of people are voting for longer restrictions? Hermits? Agoraphobics? Maybe the people asking the questions were told to stand in the street and only approach people walking about outside in a mask? It seriously wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 14, 2021 20:36:21 GMT 1
Fair enough. I was slightly exaggerating with 1% but if I was having a genuine guess, I dont think I would have gone north of 10%. I find that absolutely amazing. Like, seriously amazing. I honestly dont understand who is voting for that though. The older and vulnerable have already been vaccinated, as have the middle aged. And the younger people who havnt are at like barely zero risk from it. So what group of people are voting for longer restrictions? Hermits? Agoraphobics? Maybe the people asking the questions were told to stand in the street and only approach people walking about outside in a mask? It seriously wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. Haha, Trumpian logic. If a survey does not agree with me it must be a cheat.
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Post by birchencliffe on Jun 14, 2021 21:24:24 GMT 1
Life was very black and white in those days the whole country was polarised with no middle ground.
Thatcher came to power against the backdrop of union power and the right wing press because people wanted an end to the constant strife. One of Margaret's statement was that "there is no such thing as society." I remember buying a new British Leyland car and I had to have it re-sprayed 12 months later because of the rust coming through. Some of the outcomes that were not envisaged due to decisions made at that time are the banking crash due to the dismantling of regulations and zero hour contracts. We don't seem to manage change very well swinging one way and then the other never tweaking and adjusting as we go along. I think it just as polarised now. Brexit Black Lives Matter The environment/Global warming Covid - you just have to look at the posts on here to see how divided we are on this. This is true . As people die our numbers dwindle add all of the above into the mix there is no way i want to be involved. I used to look forward to saturday at Town..i coudnt think of anything worse right now.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Jun 14, 2021 21:34:03 GMT 1
I think it just as polarised now. Brexit Black Lives Matter The environment/Global warming Covid - you just have to look at the posts on here to see how divided we are on this. This is true . As people die our numbers dwindle add all of the above into the mix there is no way i want to be involved. I used to look forward to saturday at Town..i coudnt think of anything worse right now. Once we are allowed back in I think it will not matter. I voted remain and passionately believe it was for the better, I'm sure that many around me at the match voted for Brexit. For that couple of hours we are all just town fans and share the same agonies and delights, it's an opportunity to forget our differences.
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Post by birchencliffe on Jun 14, 2021 21:39:07 GMT 1
This is true . As people die our numbers dwindle add all of the above into the mix there is no way i want to be involved. I used to look forward to saturday at Town..i coudnt think of anything worse right now. Once we are allowed back in I think it will not matter. I voted remain and passionately believe it was for the better, I'm sure that many around me at the match voted for Brexit. For that couple of hours we are all just town fans and share the same agonies and delights, it's an opportunity to forget our differences. with this continued kneeling carry on i think it amplifies our differences adding politics to sport plus a sprinkling of pre match alcohol is a potent mix
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 21:46:07 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. According to the Daily Express today 54% of voters agree with the proposed extension. I wouldn't trust the express on anything but it suggest that you are wrong with your 1%. I had one such Ipsos poll sent to me a few weeks back. Very very loaded…with many questions along the lines of “which would you prefer, a strict March 2020 style lockdown for a month, or continuation of the current regime until August?”. I gave up in the end as it was impossible to answer about 40% of the questions without the answer stating something I don’t agree with 🤷♂️
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 14, 2021 21:48:21 GMT 1
Maybe the people asking the questions were told to stand in the street and only approach people walking about outside in a mask? It seriously wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. Haha, Trumpian logic. If a survey does not agree with me it must be a cheat. Perhaps. But seriously, of the people you know does that reflect their general opinion, because it certainly doesn't with me. If it had been 10% wanting restrictions to continue Id have been surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 21:49:31 GMT 1
This is true . As people die our numbers dwindle add all of the above into the mix there is no way i want to be involved. I used to look forward to saturday at Town..i coudnt think of anything worse right now. Once we are allowed back in I think it will not matter. I voted remain and passionately believe it was for the better, I'm sure that many around me at the match voted for Brexit. For that couple of hours we are all just town fans and share the same agonies and delights, it's an opportunity to forget our differences. 100% nailed on. And this is exactly why socio political messages and virtue signalling should be kept out of football stadiums. The only point scoring should be 0, 1 or 3.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 14, 2021 22:07:34 GMT 1
This is true . As people die our numbers dwindle add all of the above into the mix there is no way i want to be involved. I used to look forward to saturday at Town..i coudnt think of anything worse right now. Once we are allowed back in I think it will not matter. I voted remain and passionately believe it was for the better, I'm sure that many around me at the match voted for Brexit. For that couple of hours we are all just town fans and share the same agonies and delights, it's an opportunity to forget our differences. I’m pleased to be able to say that I’m lucky. No one who sits around me at the match talks about anything other than football. If they started to talk to me about Brexit I’d move seats.
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Post by westislandterrier on Jun 14, 2021 23:51:19 GMT 1
Covid allegedly at my bit now (not my house). That’s the 1st cases. Heard the rumours yesterday but confirmed by doctor to elderly family friend in for consultation on an unrelated matter, who offered him home food delivery that he declined. Could be complex here should it spread out of control as could decimate services as they’re liable to be limited in never seen before circumstances. A shame as we had got to Level 0 as well. I’m careful about it without letting it ruin my life, still go to the pub when their allowed to open and I set up workshop pub for mates when home visiting was banned. I don’t like the half hour bus journey to the best local football bar though with the mask on (Huddersfield Town one as well) as get short of breath with it on, so got lanyard saying I’d need it off when breath became short. Other than that though I just take the motor these days everywhere and have cut down the pub to one day, usually Saturday. I did try to get a ticket to a Dumbarton FC play off match just to get to a football match again in May, but not sure I’d cope with 90 minutes of mask wearing, in fact I probably wouldn’t. As it turned out I was unsuccessful in the ballot anyway. Goodness knows how this will all pan out. It’s heartwarming to see fans in stadiums again, especially in Scotland as it’s had a far stricter restrictions order than England regarding fans in grounds. Like the rest on DATM, I just want normality again... A Town match and a good piss up and munchi and music for a 3-4 day long weekend in Yorkshire’s finest town.... Huddersfield !
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 15, 2021 1:15:58 GMT 1
Once we are allowed back in I think it will not matter. I voted remain and passionately believe it was for the better, I'm sure that many around me at the match voted for Brexit. For that couple of hours we are all just town fans and share the same agonies and delights, it's an opportunity to forget our differences. I’m pleased to be able to say that I’m lucky. No one who sits around me at the match talks about anything other than football. If they started to talk to me about Brexit I’d move seats. Stopped talking about brexit in the pub shortly after the vote. It was universally agreed to see how it went after we left, the fact it took years to leave endorsed that decision.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 15, 2021 6:43:15 GMT 1
Haha, Trumpian logic. If a survey does not agree with me it must be a cheat. Perhaps. But seriously, of the people you know does that reflect their general opinion, because it certainly doesn't with me. If it had been 10% wanting restrictions to continue Id have been surprised. No, it doesn't reflect the general opinion of people I meet. But maybe that's because I'm out and about, working and socialising as normally as I can. I assume it's folk that aren't doing that that make up a large proportion of the 54%, not that the survey is skewed against my views over the extended restrictions. Which are, incidentally, the same as yours.
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 15, 2021 8:46:54 GMT 1
Fair enough. I was slightly exaggerating with 1% but if I was having a genuine guess, I dont think I would have gone north of 10%. I find that absolutely amazing. Like, seriously amazing. I honestly dont understand who is voting for that though. The older and vulnerable have already been vaccinated, as have the middle aged. And the younger people who havnt are at like barely zero risk from it. So what group of people are voting for longer restrictions? Hermits? Agoraphobics? Maybe the people asking the questions were told to stand in the street and only approach people walking about outside in a mask?It seriously wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. LOL, watched the late local news last night. Thats exactly what happened. Went round and ask a load of old people walking the street in masks what they thought, and then went outside some university asking young kids FFS, were doomed. And people watch this shit and believe it
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 15, 2021 8:58:20 GMT 1
Maybe the people asking the questions were told to stand in the street and only approach people walking about outside in a mask?It seriously wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. LOL, watched the late local news last night. Thats exactly what happened. Went round and ask a load of old people walking the street in masks what they thought, and then went outside some university asking young kids FFS, were doomed. And people watch this shit and believe it They have never spoken to a kid who wasnt anxious or fearful either. As they interview in schools this is easy to manufacture the right answers. Trying to speak to large groups of roaming youths is probably too hard and would get 'fuck off' rather than I am concerned about the level of infections and somebody told me that somewhere somebody under 30 died and its frightening.?
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Post by 28901 on Jun 15, 2021 10:09:22 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. According to the Daily Express today 54% of voters agree with the proposed extension. I wouldn't trust the express on anything but it suggest that you are wrong with your 1%. Daily Express readers? A few years back the editor was asked why they kept putting extreme weather warnings on the front page, there was about one a week at the time, even though it never actually happened. He answered that the sales went up by 10 per cent everytime they forecast snowmaggedon or whatever. That says to me all I need to know about their readerships intellect and insight, and also the Express editors opinion of them.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 11:02:34 GMT 1
The latest mantra I am hearing from the experts is " you would not speed up if you were driving down a road and came to bend that you cannot see beyond " Heard 3 of them use it over the weekend, obviously all got the memo then. Too many with a vested interest with keeping us all in a state of anxiety too scared to go back out and mix in society. You can bet your bottom dollar that not one of these "experts" the media are so keen to get a dose of doom and gloom from have taken a financial hit throughout the pandemic but are only too keen to extend the misery on the rest of us. Around 1000 beds with covid patients in them . Ah, but it could get worse they tell us. So lets stop society fully opening up just in case. Madness . In the meantime the unmeasured death toll from this pandemic , made up of undiagnosed cancer and heart disease conditions grows daily and nobody seems particularly concerned. GRRRRR They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. The U.K. generally has between 1700 and 1800 fatalities on its roads every year, (with about 150,000 injuries) that works out between 4 and 5 deaths every day, so your assumption was correct, it’s more than COVID now, maybe there should be a Government campaign aimed at stopping everyone driving, Leave the car at home, protect yourself and the NHS. Still there are roughly 7,000 alcohol related deaths a year, 75,000 from smoking and 70 as a result of d.i.y so there’s quite a few campaigns that should be ready to go !
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 15, 2021 12:03:04 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. The U.K. generally has between 1700 and 1800 fatalities on its roads every year, (with about 150,000 injuries) that works out between 4 and 5 deaths every day, so your assumption was correct, it’s more than COVID now, maybe there should be a Government campaign aimed at stopping everyone driving, Leave the car at home, protect yourself and the NHS. Still there are roughly 7,000 alcohol related deaths a year, 75,000 from smoking and 70 as a result of d.i.y so there’s quite a few campaigns that should be ready to go ! The policies of 'what if' and 'it might'. Unfortunately backed by a weak nation who either dont care about their freedoms as long as they are breathing can watch the telly and its sunny and those being paid enough to do little or nothing and can use 'covid' to continue doing little or nothing and that includes huge swathes of the health service unfortunately. When the free money runs out they will blame the govt when it's all taken back. I'm absolutely amazed that 'saving thousands of lives' has re emerged and been largely accepted again. As we lose thousands of lives to the policies its clear we just killed the same people we closed down to save and a load of other people who are collateral and nobody in any authority seems to give a shit as long as it's less covid deaths. Humans are dying of everything else, no memorials or sad faced reporters talking to odd relatives saying 'he was taken before his time, he was only 89' and other absolutely ludicrous statements about the new phenomenon of the old and sick dying. It's long passed the unbelievable stage of the normal and the obvious being turned into new and scary and different. The unbuilt, shitty drawing, timeshare sellers must be very excited about getting back on the sales pitches here. You can sell folk anything. If the worst fails to happen, time after time, it's more likely not to happen. If the free money and no responsibility keeps going its likely to cost you more in the long run. If anyone keeps asking for more time to do something then it becomes clearer by the day they are taking the piss.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 15, 2021 12:03:37 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. The U.K. generally has between 1700 and 1800 fatalities on its roads every year, (with about 150,000 injuries) that works out between 4 and 5 deaths every day, so your assumption was correct, it’s more than COVID now, maybe there should be a Government campaign aimed at stopping everyone driving, Leave the car at home, protect yourself and the NHS. Still there are roughly 7,000 alcohol related deaths a year, 75,000 from smoking and 70 as a result of d.i.y so there’s quite a few campaigns that should be ready to go ! Prior to lockdowns we averaged 160 normal flu deaths a day. You could go forever with this. It is a complete nonsense now.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 12:11:28 GMT 1
The U.K. generally has between 1700 and 1800 fatalities on its roads every year, (with about 150,000 injuries) that works out between 4 and 5 deaths every day, so your assumption was correct, it’s more than COVID now, maybe there should be a Government campaign aimed at stopping everyone driving, Leave the car at home, protect yourself and the NHS. Still there are roughly 7,000 alcohol related deaths a year, 75,000 from smoking and 70 as a result of d.i.y so there’s quite a few campaigns that should be ready to go ! Prior to lockdowns we averaged 160 normal flu deaths a day. You could go forever with this. It is a complete nonsense now. But on another thread people are arguing it makes sense to turn customers away from a restaurant because they could only pay in cash and not by card - zero contact is impossible, it’s about minimising them ? If we are going to live like that, seriously why are people allowed to smoke, drink and drive ? And surely all fast food retailers have to closed down, immediately and permanently.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 15, 2021 12:12:44 GMT 1
Yet another classic DATM debate. There is a simple answer to where we are. The scientists are advising we get more people dual vaccinated before "opening up". There is a logic which is consistent with the way things have been managed this year. Whether you agree with that approach is your choice but the delay is to be expected. All vulnerable people have been double vaccinated, including elderly. Most adults have now, apart from refusals. School children under a certain age do not have an approved vaccination. Teenagers get and pass it around without even knowing they've got it in most cases. Who exactly are we protecting? They are even talking about the return of restrictions in the autumn. Why?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 15, 2021 12:12:56 GMT 1
Lets not forget that all these figures for 'covid deaths' are people who died after testing positive for covid within 28 days. That will include lots of people who have died of cancer or a heart attack, or pretty much anything else... just 'with' a recent positive test. Thats not dying 'of' covid for many who get included in the figures.
The test can pick up traces of virus for a long time, so you can still test positive ages after you've actually got over having it.
So your 3 deaths yesterday could include some chap who had covid back in march.. got over it...then had a heart attack on Friday , went into hospital so got tested for covid, and then died on the Sunday when his heart packed in again.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 15, 2021 12:13:16 GMT 1
Prior to lockdowns we averaged 160 normal flu deaths a day. You could go forever with this. It is a complete nonsense now. But on another thread people are arguing it makes sense to turn customers away from a restaurant because they could only pay in cash and not by card - zero contact is impossible, it’s about minimising them ? If we are going to live like that, seriously why are people allowed to smoke, drink and drive ? And surely all fast food retailers have to closed down, immediately and permanently. I didn't argue it made sense . I told you why they were doing it . Have a good day . Hands face space and sun 🌞
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Post by 28901 on Jun 15, 2021 12:14:22 GMT 1
Prior to lockdowns we averaged 160 normal flu deaths a day. You could go forever with this. It is a complete nonsense now. But on another thread people are arguing it makes sense to turn customers away from a restaurant because they could only pay in cash and not by card - zero contact is impossible, it’s about minimising them ? If we are going to live like that, seriously why are people allowed to smoke, drink and drive ? And surely all fast food retailers have to closed down, immediately and permanently. They would. Its beyond ridiculous. We've gone down this route and there is no way out without admitting we got it wrong and u turning.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 15, 2021 12:16:05 GMT 1
They can use all the analogies and mantras they like, but most people are not fooled by them anymore. There has been 3 deaths from Covid today. There has probably been more deaths on the road in the UK than that, if we want to use driving examples. The experts and the media have done nothing but try to scare people and give them little hope, even during the worst time of lockdown when people have been struggling with all kinds of other issues. You now see so many people walking outside in fresh air with masks on. I just want to walk up to them and pull them off and tell them to breathe in some fucking fresh air. Meanwhile the experts and Boris dont seem to care what people think anymore. I would be amazed if more than 1% of the population disagreed with opening up everything again and living with what we have, which is a vaccine that all the vulnerable have had 2 doses of and a virus that we know all about now. Its getting like a badly told story that everyone knows the ending to. Delay for another 4 weeks, so cases will keep on rising, then in 4 weeks cases are too high to unlock again, and by the time they have then messed around we will have another new variant under investigation and the flu season will be starting to arrive. It wont be long before he is extending the furlough scheme again. The U.K. generally has between 1700 and 1800 fatalities on its roads every year, (with about 150,000 injuries) that works out between 4 and 5 deaths every day, so your assumption was correct, it’s more than COVID now, maybe there should be a Government campaign aimed at stopping everyone driving, Leave the car at home, protect yourself and the NHS. Still there are roughly 7,000 alcohol related deaths a year, 75,000 from smoking and 70 as a result of d.i.y so there’s quite a few campaigns that should be ready to go ! Imagine Whitty and valance are currently working on their campaign to ban the sale of ladders as we speak. Stay on the floor.. hire a cherry picker.. save the NHS
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 12:21:16 GMT 1
But on another thread people are arguing it makes sense to turn customers away from a restaurant because they could only pay in cash and not by card - zero contact is impossible, it’s about minimising them ? If we are going to live like that, seriously why are people allowed to smoke, drink and drive ? And surely all fast food retailers have to closed down, immediately and permanently. I didn't argue it made sense . I told you why they were doing it . Have a good day . Hands face space and sun 🌞 I gave you the last word on the other thread, I’ll try for it on this one, I didn’t need telling they were doing it, far from it, I gave my own experience at Tesco and then also commented on another example, pointing out it didn’t make sense, as you chose to argue the toss surely by definition you must agree it makes sense ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 15, 2021 12:25:06 GMT 1
I didn't argue it made sense . I told you why they were doing it . Have a good day . Hands face space and sun 🌞 I gave you the last word on the other thread, I’ll try for it on this one, I didn’t need telling they were doing it, far from it, I gave my own experience at Tesco and then also commented on another example, pointing out it didn’t make sense, as you chose to argue the toss surely by definition you must agree it makes sense ? There is rationale for it . Its not a ridiculous notion . But I wouldn't go as far as "making sense " :-)
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 12:30:08 GMT 1
I gave you the last word on the other thread, I’ll try for it on this one, I didn’t need telling they were doing it, far from it, I gave my own experience at Tesco and then also commented on another example, pointing out it didn’t make sense, as you chose to argue the toss surely by definition you must agree it makes sense ? There is rationale for it . Its not a ridiculous notion . But I wouldn't go as far as "making sense " :-) It would make more sense this afternoon to introduce a ban on alcohol, tobacco, fast food and driving but to sweeten the pill relax the card only payment rules and allow cash to be used again.
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