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Post by workshyfop on Nov 16, 2020 23:37:04 GMT 1
Boris is knackering Oti’s Covid stats ... he gets it every other week that fucker. Usually at times of national crisis, Brexit talks, PMQs, behind the scenes shenanigans, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 14:44:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 15:58:31 GMT 1
Can’t see it happening but fingers crossed it does. Even at 15% capacity.
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Post by Galpharmer on Nov 17, 2020 18:18:44 GMT 1
Unless Kirklees figures drop like a stone, nobody will be watching in the flesh for months.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Nov 17, 2020 22:39:05 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in.
Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 17, 2020 22:44:44 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in. Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas? Jesus. Life just keeps getting more complicated.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Nov 17, 2020 22:48:40 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in. Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas? Jesus. Life just keeps getting more complicated. Maybe it's just me over complicating things
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 17, 2020 22:53:51 GMT 1
Jesus. Life just keeps getting more complicated. Maybe it's just me over complicating things No. I’m sure you have raised a valid point. Rarely a day goes by without more despondency!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 23:34:22 GMT 1
Good job there’s no Welsh teams in the football league otherwise things would be even more complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 7:56:50 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in. Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas? I assume, initially, it’ll be fans who live within a certain radius of the stadium that can go. The Club will be able to use the system to check where ST Holders live, and I imagine they’ll also check ID on your way through the turnstile to make sure you are who you say you are, and subsequently you live where you say you live. Does seem a bit unfair for those who live outside of that radius but such is life. They may do it a completely differently way but I know Brighton were set to trial the radius method had the pilot games gone to plan.
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Post by wazzahtfc on Nov 18, 2020 8:59:27 GMT 1
This would then open the can of worms whereby some clubs have advantage over other clubs who can't allow their fans in. Has to be all allowed fans or none , so unfortunately it will be none for months to come (more than likely all season)
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 18, 2020 10:19:27 GMT 1
Once vulnerable people have had the vaccine then I dont see any remaining justification in not opening up grounds 100%. We 'could' be well on the way to that by January.
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Post by Galpharmer on Nov 18, 2020 10:22:06 GMT 1
This would then open the can of worms whereby some clubs have advantage over other clubs who can't allow their fans in. Has to be all allowed fans or none , so unfortunately it will be none for months to come (more than likely all season) Exactly. If Spurs are allowed a home following but Liverpool and Man Utd aren't, there will be hell on. Pretty well documented that the away teams have benefitted from no crowds.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 18, 2020 11:49:16 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in. Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas? I assume, initially, it’ll be fans who live within a certain radius of the stadium that can go. The Club will be able to use the system to check where ST Holders live, and I imagine they’ll also check ID on your way through the turnstile to make sure you are who you say you are, and subsequently you live where you say you live. Does seem a bit unfair for those who live outside of that radius but such is life. They may do it a completely differently way but I know Brighton were set to trial the radius method had the pilot games gone to plan. Using this system Man Utd will only have a crowd of 25 people.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Nov 18, 2020 12:17:49 GMT 1
Promising news
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 13:26:49 GMT 1
Once vulnerable people have had the vaccine then I dont see any remaining justification in not opening up grounds 100%. We 'could' be well on the way to that by January. To continue to follow the casedemic response (where government is flapping about large numbers of cases even if they have no real effect on the nations health) - I wonder if more likely will be temperature readings at the entry to football grounds. You'd end up tagging/barring people who are ill of 'anything'...but they would be good subjects to go and get tested in case they are asymptomatic (if we want to prevent the spread). In fact, to be honest I don't know why temperature scanning hasn't routinely taken place at entry areas of high foot traffic indoors areas like shopping centres, bus & train stations, pubs, restaurants, airports (and football grounds) etc. Its a rapid non-invasive test and one person could easily scan a 1000 people per hour. If you fail the temperature scan, then that would be considered a symptom, so you go for a test and isolate until you get the results. Easy. As things stand we have this mish-mash of testing people who are symptomatic enough to have personally decided they should be tested, along with random testing like in Liverpool etc. Replace that current random testing with targeted and quicker first pass "selection testing" (instantly, via temperature, that can be carried out by any non medically trained person), and I'm sure the relevant non-symptomatic cases would be identified and isolated much sooner and with less individual disruption than they are at present...especially as those people going to high footfall areas are those likely to be unintentionally spreading it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 13:39:20 GMT 1
Over 50 thousand in the Brisbane stadium for this mornings State of Origin game.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 18, 2020 13:41:19 GMT 1
Once vulnerable people have had the vaccine then I dont see any remaining justification in not opening up grounds 100%. We 'could' be well on the way to that by January. To continue to follow the casedemic response (where government is flapping about large numbers of cases even if they have no real effect on the nations health) - I wonder if more likely will be temperature readings at the entry to football grounds. You'd end up tagging/barring people who are ill of 'anything'...but they would be good subjects to go and get tested in case they are asymptomatic (if we want to prevent the spread). In fact, to be honest I don't know why temperature scanning hasn't routinely taken place at entry areas of high foot traffic indoors areas like shopping centres, bus & train stations, pubs, restaurants, airports (and football grounds) etc. Its a rapid non-invasive test and one person could easily scan a 1000 people per hour. If you fail the temperature scan, then that would be considered a symptom, so you go for a test and isolate until you get the results. Easy. As things stand we have this mish-mash of testing people who are symptomatic enough to have personally decided they should be tested, along with random testing like in Liverpool etc. Replace that current random testing with targeted and quicker first pass "selection testing" (instantly, via temperature, that can be carried out by any non medically trained person), and I'm sure the relevant non-symptomatic cases would be identified and isolated much sooner and with less individual disruption than they are at present...especially as those people going to high footfall areas are those likely to be unintentionally spreading it. How would you propose I got home from work if I had a high temperature at Leeds Station on an evening? Am I to bed down with the winos for the evening?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 15:49:35 GMT 1
To continue to follow the casedemic response (where government is flapping about large numbers of cases even if they have no real effect on the nations health) - I wonder if more likely will be temperature readings at the entry to football grounds. You'd end up tagging/barring people who are ill of 'anything'...but they would be good subjects to go and get tested in case they are asymptomatic (if we want to prevent the spread). In fact, to be honest I don't know why temperature scanning hasn't routinely taken place at entry areas of high foot traffic indoors areas like shopping centres, bus & train stations, pubs, restaurants, airports (and football grounds) etc. Its a rapid non-invasive test and one person could easily scan a 1000 people per hour. If you fail the temperature scan, then that would be considered a symptom, so you go for a test and isolate until you get the results. Easy. As things stand we have this mish-mash of testing people who are symptomatic enough to have personally decided they should be tested, along with random testing like in Liverpool etc. Replace that current random testing with targeted and quicker first pass "selection testing" (instantly, via temperature, that can be carried out by any non medically trained person), and I'm sure the relevant non-symptomatic cases would be identified and isolated much sooner and with less individual disruption than they are at present...especially as those people going to high footfall areas are those likely to be unintentionally spreading it. How would you propose I got home from work if I had a high temperature at Leeds Station on an evening? Am I to bed down with the winos for the evening? On a train, using your common sense - why would you think you need to immediately isolate-in-place from the very instant that you had been tagged with a symptom (high temperature)?! People will regularly have first noticed symptoms whilst at work - they don't just go and shelter under a viaduct as a result! So...you're at work, (you've had temperature scanned in the morning in one or two places and have been fine), you go to the train station at the end of the day and have now gone over the limit. You aren't PREVENTED from getting on the train to get home. But, once you get home, you have to book a test and isolate from that point on. Its necessary travel obviously. But - high temperature measured to get inside a shopping centre or football stadium...you ain't getting in. Its not necessary, its not your direct route home to your place of isolation. Its not really difficult. The difficulty is people somehow having grown a mental block over the last 9 months where they for some reason need every minute detail of every scenario spelling out rather than taking a set of rules and guidelines, & interpreting and applying them as best as they see possible to guide their individual behaviour...all backed up by the media constantly saying how confused everyone is and actively encouraging people to be confused! Well I haven't been - I've found the guidance and rules throughout all pretty easy to understand, interpret and follow.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Nov 18, 2020 16:15:40 GMT 1
How would you propose I got home from work if I had a high temperature at Leeds Station on an evening? Am I to bed down with the winos for the evening? On a train, using your common sense - why would you think you need to immediately isolate-in-place from the very instant that you had been tagged with a symptom (high temperature)?! People will regularly have first noticed symptoms whilst at work - they don't just go and shelter under a viaduct as a result! So...you're at work, (you've had temperature scanned in the morning in one or two places and have been fine), you go to the train station at the end of the day and have now gone over the limit. You aren't PREVENTED from getting on the train to get home. But, once you get home, you have to book a test and isolate from that point on. Its necessary travel obviously. But - high temperature measured to get inside a shopping centre or football stadium...you ain't getting in. Its not necessary, its not your direct route home to your place of isolation. Its not really difficult. The difficulty is people somehow having grown a mental block over the last 9 months where they for some reason need every minute detail of every scenario spelling out rather than taking a set of rules and guidelines, & interpreting and applying them as best as they see possible to guide their individual behaviour...all backed up by the media constantly saying how confused everyone is and actively encouraging people to be confused! Well I haven't been - I've found the guidance and rules throughout all pretty easy to understand, interpret and follow. Self interpretation of the guidelines....all roads lead to Barnard Castle??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 16:37:12 GMT 1
On a train, using your common sense - why would you think you need to immediately isolate-in-place from the very instant that you had been tagged with a symptom (high temperature)?! People will regularly have first noticed symptoms whilst at work - they don't just go and shelter under a viaduct as a result! So...you're at work, (you've had temperature scanned in the morning in one or two places and have been fine), you go to the train station at the end of the day and have now gone over the limit. You aren't PREVENTED from getting on the train to get home. But, once you get home, you have to book a test and isolate from that point on. Its necessary travel obviously. But - high temperature measured to get inside a shopping centre or football stadium...you ain't getting in. Its not necessary, its not your direct route home to your place of isolation. Its not really difficult. The difficulty is people somehow having grown a mental block over the last 9 months where they for some reason need every minute detail of every scenario spelling out rather than taking a set of rules and guidelines, & interpreting and applying them as best as they see possible to guide their individual behaviour...all backed up by the media constantly saying how confused everyone is and actively encouraging people to be confused! Well I haven't been - I've found the guidance and rules throughout all pretty easy to understand, interpret and follow. Self interpretation of the guidelines....all roads lead to Barnard Castle?? Some people may interpret guidelines in what might be perceived a foolish way. It doesn't mean that every single possible scenario needs documenting and setting out as a strict rule to follow. Follow rules, interpret guidelines. If you can't do that then you've got bigger issues and are probably sitting at home in your pants most of the time anyway.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Nov 18, 2020 16:49:21 GMT 1
I wouldn't hold your breath guys. Given that it's only for areas that are in Tier 1, or possibly Tier 2, if they go back to the tier system when this lockdown ends. Given that Kirklees has the 5th highest rate in the country, I can't see Town being one of the ones allowed to have fans in. Seriously though, it does give rise to a question. What happens if the club you support is in a lower tier area, but you live in a higher tier area. Will you be allowed to go, or will the club have to discount fans who live in higher risk areas? Don't think there will be many areas in Tier 1 when we leave lockdown. Kent has been Tier one and until beginning of September we had infection rates of 20-30 per 100 000. Rapid increase and we are now around 200 per 100 000 (which would have put us into at least Tier2 before lockdown and require 14 days isolation if we were a foreign country) with an increase of nearly 50% last week..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 18:52:22 GMT 1
Are there any football league clubs in Kent?? I can only really think of Gillingham down there, are they still in League 1 / 2 or did they follow Stockport etc?? I've no idea!
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 18, 2020 18:52:26 GMT 1
If they use the new test like they recently have in Liverpool which doesn't pick up dead coronavirus cells ( not necessarily even covid ones ) like the existing one does, then maybe most areas will be in tier one? Liverpool, a city in the North West, which has been widely seen as the hotspot area for the virus and indeed Liverpool the hotspot within that, found something like 300 positive cases from 90,000 people tested, which is i think about a third of what the old test was saying.
Think half the problem here is weve become obsessed with testing and finding cases whereas before it was all about deaths and protecting the NHS. Not sure about the wisdom of that anyway but particularly not if the test we've been using is churning out so many false positives.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 18, 2020 19:31:14 GMT 1
If they use the new test like they recently have in Liverpool which doesn't pick up dead coronavirus cells ( not necessarily even covid ones ) like the existing one does, then maybe most areas will be in tier one? Liverpool, a city in the North West, which has been widely seen as the hotspot area for the virus and indeed Liverpool the hotspot within that, found something like 300 positive cases from 90,000 people tested, which is i think about a third of what the old test was saying. Think half the problem here is weve become obsessed with testing and finding cases whereas before it was all about deaths and protecting the NHS. Not sure about the wisdom of that anyway but particularly not if the test we've been using is churning out so many false positives. Don’t worry, there’ll be a safe vaccine available any minute. Pfizer announced one last week and it’s 90% effective . Then moderna announced vaccine at the weekend and that’s over 94% effective and doesn’t need storing at -70degC. I thought to myself that Monday morning Pfizer would be having an emergency meeting and fire a load of folk. But oh no. They’ve re evaluated their vaccine and miraculously it’s now 95% effective. Call me sceptical if you want but I smell a rat. Yet people are desperate to be injected with it.
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Post by canterburyterrier on Nov 18, 2020 19:47:45 GMT 1
Are there any football league clubs in Kent?? I can only really think of Gillingham down there, are they still in League 1 / 2 or did they follow Stockport etc?? I've no idea! League 1. Charlton used to be in Kent and they run coaches from all over Kent on match days.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 18, 2020 20:51:15 GMT 1
Are there any football league clubs in Kent?? I can only really think of Gillingham down there, are they still in League 1 / 2 or did they follow Stockport etc?? I've no idea! League 1. Charlton used to be in Kent and they run coaches from all over Kent on match days. Most of them heading for Old Trafford.
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Post by Five Lamps on Nov 18, 2020 21:33:18 GMT 1
Are there any football league clubs in Kent?? I can only really think of Gillingham down there, are they still in League 1 / 2 or did they follow Stockport etc?? I've no idea! Maidstone United. Are they still in the Football League?
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Post by captainblack on Nov 18, 2020 23:15:13 GMT 1
Nothing too serious here, but I am bloody stalled of sitting on the sofa on a Saturday afternoon , I just want to see TOWN, at the damn ground , I am no young-un, but I am willing to take the bloody risk! I just think its about time to bite the bullet ,and realise this crappy virus will possibly last for years ! Possibly morphing into other viral covid mutations. Time to say stuff it , and start enjoying life again! P.S. , I am looking forward to wearing my rather nice new Town too!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 18, 2020 23:46:55 GMT 1
Nothing too serious here, but I am bloody stalled of sitting on the sofa on a Saturday afternoon , I just want to see TOWN, at the damn ground , I am no young-un, but I am willing to take the bloody risk! I just think its about time to bite the bullet ,and realise this crappy virus will possibly last for years ! Possibly morphing into other viral covid mutations. Time to say stuff it , and start enjoying life again! P.S. , I am looking forward to wearing my rather nice new Town too! I’m with you 100% Captain. It’s gone on way too long.
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