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Post by CCBarmyArmy on Oct 13, 2020 10:21:33 GMT 1
Striker and 2 wingers in maybe a 10 too but I'm been greedy there. Plus a keeper but we've no chance of that happening
Kongolo grant sold
Couple of youngsters out on loan.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 13, 2020 10:31:35 GMT 1
As Maynard alluded to, 3 in 2 out (hopefully)
OUT:
Kongolo
Grant
IN:
Striker
Number 10
Winger (Looking like Aarons)
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Post by Maynardblue on Oct 13, 2020 10:44:56 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker
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Post by CCBarmyArmy on Oct 13, 2020 10:45:43 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker Really quite surprising that. Can you tell which positions he is after? |
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Post by CCBarmyArmy on Oct 13, 2020 10:47:55 GMT 1
As Maynard alluded to, 3 in 2 out (hopefully) OUT: Kongolo Grant IN: Striker Number 10 Winger (Looking like Aarons) After reading some reviews on aarons he seems like he just needs a club to get him going again. The reports I've read aren't bad and he's out of contract at the end of the season so it's a good chance to get a good look at him. Obviously people will think he is a massive downgrade on grant but we could also unearth a gem too |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Oct 13, 2020 10:51:15 GMT 1
I wonder if one of those three coming in could be someone who competes with Hogg in the defensive midfield mould. It would allow us to deploy Eiting as an 8, and against the teams which sit back against us, have a more progressive passer of the ball than Hogg. I think there will be plenty of games which suit Hogg’s ability to break up play and slow things down by the way, I just wonder if we might look for an option in that area of the pitch.
It could even alleviate our need to recruit a number 10 in the short term because we would be able to play Eiting and O’Brien further up the pitch and have Daly, Pritchard, and Bacuna as back up.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 13, 2020 10:53:28 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker That is very surprising given Ward and Campbell’s injury record |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 13, 2020 11:01:35 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker That is very surprising given Ward and Campbell’s injury record I agree. If that is true it’s beyond my understanding. One has already proved that we can’t rely on his fitness whilst the others record over the last few years is just the same. How anyone can judge that we don’t need another striker is unbelievable. |
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Post by blanquiazules on Oct 13, 2020 11:02:56 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker That is very surprising given Ward and Campbell’s injury record And their goal scoring record too. |
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Post by arry11 on Oct 13, 2020 11:05:02 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker That is very surprising given Ward and Campbell’s injury record Yes i would love an extra striker but think Carlos will be trying too add players who will suit his system a bit more zip from back too front. |
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Post by basil on Oct 13, 2020 11:06:18 GMT 1
Carlos doesn't want another striker Really quite surprising that. Can you tell which positions he is after? Liverpool don't really play with a 'striker'. Grant isn't a striker in the Harry Kane or Alan Lee mould. It's all about labels. |
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Post by mids on Oct 13, 2020 11:09:13 GMT 1
Perhaps Carlos is prepared to put his faith in Harratt, or Phillips, or another youngster?
Perhaps Carlos has lost the plot?
Time will tell, but it's going to be a defining 78 hours ahead
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 13, 2020 11:14:21 GMT 1
That is very surprising given Ward and Campbell’s injury record I agree. If that is true it’s beyond my understanding. One has already proved that we can’t rely on his fitness whilst the others record over the last few years is just the same. How anyone can judge that we don’t need another striker is unbelievable. Think Maynard said just before the Eiting signing we had been in talks with a striker on loan. Seems the clubs u-turned on their stance for a striker |
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Post by CCBarmyArmy on Oct 13, 2020 11:16:45 GMT 1
I agree. If that is true it’s beyond my understanding. One has already proved that we can’t rely on his fitness whilst the others record over the last few years is just the same. How anyone can judge that we don’t need another striker is unbelievable. Think Maynard said just before the Eiting signing we had been in talks with a striker on loan. Seems the clubs u-turned on their stance for a striker Correct he did. This may have been mention but regarding KG has he downed tools or is cc just refusing to include him in his team? |
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Post by otterman on Oct 13, 2020 11:21:02 GMT 1
CC has been told there’s no cash without selling both Grant and Kongolo. Even then, the amount received immediately in both case will need to be a significant percentage of the total fee.
DH has done his sums and with no prospect of bodies in the ground in match days, he wants his money now. So would I.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 13, 2020 11:22:38 GMT 1
The wide attacking positions have to be our focus. We currently have Mbenza, Diakhaby and Koroma who play in those two positions. Ideally we’d sign two to go straight into the first team.
A goal scoring midfielder would be nice too.
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 13, 2020 11:38:55 GMT 1
The wide attacking positions have to be our focus. We currently have Mbenza, Diakhaby and Koroma who play in those two positions. Ideally we’d sign two to go straight into the first team. A goal scoring midfielder would be nice too. A goal scorer would be even better |
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Post by Hoggy on Oct 13, 2020 12:04:54 GMT 1
I agree. If that is true it’s beyond my understanding. One has already proved that we can’t rely on his fitness whilst the others record over the last few years is just the same. How anyone can judge that we don’t need another striker is unbelievable. Think Maynard said just before the Eiting signing we had been in talks with a striker on loan. Seems the clubs u-turned on their stance for a striker He stated that a few weeks ago now, maybe the striker we identified has now moved to another club? I can't imagine a lot of players will wait around until the last day of a transfer window. I am hoping we are looking at two wingers and a defensive midfield player. New DM Eiting O'brien Not too shabby.. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 13, 2020 12:10:25 GMT 1
I’ve tried my best to understand the thinking behind the club not wanting another striker but I’m just not getting it.
Someone referenced the fact that Liverpool don’t play with a striker “as such” but they have multiple goal scorers in the team so hardly a good comparison to make.
If the assertion of the club is that we don’t need a striker I’d love to know where they think the goals are coming from.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 13, 2020 12:20:07 GMT 1
Been saying this for weeks. There is only one position in our team for a striker, 2 players for one position is enough. I didn’t want Ward but that’s what we’ve got.
Whereas there are 2 positions in our team for wide players and we currently have zero footballers. It’s obvious what we need.
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Post by dezzly on Oct 13, 2020 12:29:33 GMT 1
It’s clear Carlos thinks it’s more chance creation that’s the issue than some sort of goal machine.Plus they are very hard to come by hence why West Brom have chased grant for best part of the year.Be couple of wide players plus who knows what for the third won’t it.
Glad to hear also on another note that yeh 3 million quoted for kongolo is absolute dross.
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 13, 2020 12:33:48 GMT 1
I’ve tried my best to understand the thinking behind the club not wanting another striker but I’m just not getting it. Someone referenced the fact that Liverpool don’t play with a striker “as such” but they have multiple goal scorers in the team so hardly a good comparison to make. If the assertion of the club is that we don’t need a striker I’d love to know where they think the goals are coming from. Hull got automatic promotion in 12/13 and their top scorer was a midfielder with 9. You don't need a top striker to be successful. That said presuming Grant isn't here I don't fancy any of Campbell, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard, Bacuna, LOB to get more than 5. I could see Koroma getting a few once he gets one cos he can actually shoot. Ward doesnt ever seem to be fit enough. So it's a worry. |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 13, 2020 12:39:30 GMT 1
Must admit, I'm perplexed why we wouldn't want a CF. I'd agree that wingers/inside forwards are probably a higher priority but once we've got a couple of those in, CF looks our weakest position. Ward & Campbell have their strengths but I don't see either of them as the main focal point in a side that's finishing in the top 21 positions in the Championship.
Unless an absolute gem has been unearthed for another position, &/or one of the 2 outgoings is somebody I'd not expected (e.g. o'Brien, Toffolo, Hamer...) & we're replacing their position - that's a real head-scratcher.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 13, 2020 12:39:41 GMT 1
I’ve tried my best to understand the thinking behind the club not wanting another striker but I’m just not getting it. Someone referenced the fact that Liverpool don’t play with a striker “as such” but they have multiple goal scorers in the team so hardly a good comparison to make. If the assertion of the club is that we don’t need a striker I’d love to know where they think the goals are coming from. Hull got automatic promotion in 12/13 and their top scorer was a midfielder with 9. You don't need a top striker to be successful. That said presuming Grant isn't here I don't fancy any of Campbell, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard, Bacuna, LOB to get more than 5. I could see Koroma getting a few once he gets one cos he can actually shoot. Ward doesnt ever seem to be fit enough. So it's a worry. This is the exception rather than the rule surely? |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 13, 2020 12:41:18 GMT 1
I’ve tried my best to understand the thinking behind the club not wanting another striker but I’m just not getting it. Someone referenced the fact that Liverpool don’t play with a striker “as such” but they have multiple goal scorers in the team so hardly a good comparison to make. If the assertion of the club is that we don’t need a striker I’d love to know where they think the goals are coming from. Hull got automatic promotion in 12/13 and their top scorer was a midfielder with 9. You don't need a top striker to be successful. That said presuming Grant isn't here I don't fancy any of Campbell, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard, Bacuna, LOB to get more than 5. I could see Koroma getting a few once he gets one cos he can actually shoot. Ward doesnt ever seem to be fit enough. So it's a worry. Cardiff managed it with a similar figure too in 2013 iirc |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 13, 2020 12:44:32 GMT 1
It’s clear Carlos thinks it’s more chance creation that’s the issue than some sort of goal machine.Plus they are very hard to come by hence why West Brom have chased grant for best part of the year.Be couple of wide players plus who knows what for the third won’t it. Glad to hear also on another note that yeh 3 million quoted for kongolo is absolute dross. I'd agree that chance creation is our biggest issue. I just don't feel comfortable with the notion that it's our only issue. And £3m for Kongolo is poor. Then again, we need him off our books and his stock really has plummeted to the point where nobody else is wiling to pay more. Such a shame. |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 13, 2020 12:50:37 GMT 1
It’s clear Carlos thinks it’s more chance creation that’s the issue than some sort of goal machine.Plus they are very hard to come by hence why West Brom have chased grant for best part of the year.Be couple of wide players plus who knows what for the third won’t it. Glad to hear also on another note that yeh 3 million quoted for kongolo is absolute dross. I'd agree that chance creation is our biggest issue. I just don't feel comfortable with the notion that it's our only issue. And £3m for Kongolo is poor. Then again, we need him off our books and his stock really has plummeted to the point where nobody else is wiling to pay more. Such a shame. Maynard has confirmed the 3 million is tosh and that getting what he said last week I think it was.8million plus. And yeh it’s clear in an ideal world chance creation plus a proven goal scorer would be what we want however it’s probably more of a case of they need to prioritise what they think is more important and it’s also important to note that Maynard said Carlos does want a 9 rather than the club said that.Suggest that like I say we hae prioritised what carlos thinks is more important with a view to maybe resolving the further issues in January if possible(difficult window) or next summer when Campbell is out of contract. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 13, 2020 12:52:52 GMT 1
Hull got automatic promotion in 12/13 and their top scorer was a midfielder with 9. You don't need a top striker to be successful. That said presuming Grant isn't here I don't fancy any of Campbell, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard, Bacuna, LOB to get more than 5. I could see Koroma getting a few once he gets one cos he can actually shoot. Ward doesnt ever seem to be fit enough. So it's a worry. This is the exception rather than the rule surely? Not really. Boro went up in 15/16 with Nugent as top scorer with 8. Cardiff in 17/18 with Paterson with 10. You're stuck in the 80's though so will probably continue to peddle the "need a 20 goal striker" cliche  |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 13, 2020 12:58:36 GMT 1
I’ve tried my best to understand the thinking behind the club not wanting another striker but I’m just not getting it. Someone referenced the fact that Liverpool don’t play with a striker “as such” but they have multiple goal scorers in the team so hardly a good comparison to make. If the assertion of the club is that we don’t need a striker I’d love to know where they think the goals are coming from. Hull got automatic promotion in 12/13 and their top scorer was a midfielder with 9. You don't need a top striker to be successful. That said presuming Grant isn't here I don't fancy any of Campbell, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard, Bacuna, LOB to get more than 5. I could see Koroma getting a few once he gets one cos he can actually shoot. Ward doesnt ever seem to be fit enough. So it's a worry. Indeed. If we had any midfielders who looked remotely capable of regular goal input I could half understand it. As it is, without a new player, we are left with Campbell ( who I like but who is never going to be long term fit ) and Ward who has never been either prolific or fit for long spells. We have had this lack of goals problem for a long time and we could very easily be playing games without a striker in the team again. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 13, 2020 13:10:10 GMT 1
If Carlos doesn't feel we need another striker then that's very worrying.
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