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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 5, 2021 12:03:05 GMT 1
Traore was definitely on the cards, Wolves just stumped up more money than Town. The one I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet is Alphonso Davies- I believe we were close to signing him until Bayern Munich showed interest- now he's one of the world's best attacking left backs and played a starring role in the last Champions League final. Staying on that topic, Divock Origi was meant to come on loan as well- Liverpool were happy for him to join us but he didn't want to come. 9 months later he scores in the Champions League final. Good decision Divock!
Anyway if we'd got all those in, in the formation we were playing at the time we'd have been looking at a front 4 of Davies, Maddison, Traore and Origi. Revolving door moment or what!
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 5, 2021 13:47:18 GMT 1
I seem to recall that we were interested in Maddison & Traore but they (understandably) chose Leicester City & Wolves (respectively) over us, so we went to the next options on the list, which turned out to be Diakhaby & Mbenza.
Presumably (given the amounts they went for) if we'd got one of JM or AT, we wouldn't have gone for the other one - but to say "we should have signed those players" ignores the lure of the much more established &/or better financed options the players had available to them.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 5, 2021 14:33:55 GMT 1
Was one of our main targets that window not Anthony Limbombe? I seem to remember we were quite close to signing him but it fell through for whatever reason.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 5, 2021 15:37:35 GMT 1
Was one of our main targets that window not Anthony Limbombe? I seem to remember we were quite close to signing him but it fell through for whatever reason. was just about to reply to Tinpot saying this- Diakhaby and particularly Mbenza were way down the preference list in terms of winger signings, it was just that all the others fell through. Limbombe was the one that dragged out for the longest and got the most coverage, I seem to remember his dad trying to get ridiculous terms for him. Looking at what he's been up to since it seems like he'd have been an even worse choice! |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Feb 5, 2021 17:17:45 GMT 1
I seem to recall that we were interested in Maddison & Traore but they (understandably) chose Leicester City & Wolves (respectively) over us, so we went to the next options on the list, which turned out to be Diakhaby & Mbenza. Presumably (given the amounts they went for) if we'd got one of JM or AT, we wouldn't have gone for the other one - but to say "we should have signed those players" ignores the lure of the much more established &/or better financed options the players had available to them. Exactly. Maddison and Traore’s agents will have been aware that other clubs were interested. I’m sure they are on more money than we would have been able to pay too. It appeared that we were not able to attract the right quality of players and instead of not wasting the money or looking at the championship we went for unproven risky players from France. In hindsight it would have been better to pick the best players from the championship as we would have at least known that they would stay and perform well if we went down. |
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Post by keefer on Feb 5, 2021 17:31:47 GMT 1
I seem to recall that we were interested in Maddison & Traore but they (understandably) chose Leicester City & Wolves (respectively) over us, so we went to the next options on the list, which turned out to be Diakhaby & Mbenza. Presumably (given the amounts they went for) if we'd got one of JM or AT, we wouldn't have gone for the other one - but to say "we should have signed those players" ignores the lure of the much more established &/or better financed options the players had available to them. Exactly. Maddison and Traore’s agents will have been aware that other clubs were interested. I’m sure they are on more money than we would have been able to pay too. It appeared that we were not able to attract the right quality of players and instead of not wasting the money or looking at the championship we went for unproven risky players from France. In hindsight it would have been better to pick the best players from the championship as we would have at least known that they would stay and perform well if we went down. Erm, just like it worked out with Pritchard |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Feb 5, 2021 19:07:28 GMT 1
Exactly. Maddison and Traore’s agents will have been aware that other clubs were interested. I’m sure they are on more money than we would have been able to pay too. It appeared that we were not able to attract the right quality of players and instead of not wasting the money or looking at the championship we went for unproven risky players from France. In hindsight it would have been better to pick the best players from the championship as we would have at least known that they would stay and perform well if we went down. Erm, just like it worked out with Pritchard To be fair he made a bit of an impact when he arrived and had it not been for his injuries he would still be a top player at this level. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Feb 5, 2021 20:01:54 GMT 1
Traore was definitely on the cards, Wolves just stumped up more money than Town. The one I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet is Alphonso Davies- I believe we were close to signing him until Bayern Munich showed interest- now he's one of the world's best attacking left backs and played a starring role in the last Champions League final. Staying on that topic, Divock Origi was meant to come on loan as well- Liverpool were happy for him to join us but he didn't want to come. 9 months later he scores in the Champions League final. Good decision Divock! Anyway if we'd got all those in, in the formation we were playing at the time we'd have been looking at a front 4 of Davies, Maddison, Traore and Origi. Revolving door moment or what! If they'd signed instead of the players we got, no doubt they'd have got Town disease and been crap. Davies would back in Canada after less than 10 apps, we'd be trying to offload Maddison and his huge wages to anyone who'd have him, Traore would be La Liga 2 and Origi would have failed to score all season. Meanwhile in this alternative universe, Diakhaby would be keeping Mbappe out of the France team, Pritchard would be back at Spurs, Ben Hamer would be England number 1 and Ramadan Sobhi would be at Barcelona. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:24:19 GMT 1
The great ‘what could have been’ is if Webber had stayed, giving us a competent DoF to scout players. Instead he took his contacts and target list to Norwich.
Pukki could well have come to us, he signed for Norwich on a free in the summer of 2018 and has scored 51 in 102 for them across the top two tiers. They also got Buendia (a quality number 10/winger) from Getaffe, a player who Arsenal are now after.
Put those goals and creativity into our 2017/18 squad and we’d have looked a quality team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 3:29:52 GMT 1
The great ‘what could have been’ is if Webber had stayed, giving us a competent DoF to scout players. Instead he took his contacts and target list to Norwich. Pukki could well have come to us, he signed for Norwich on a free in the summer of 2018 and has scored 51 in 102 for them across the top two tiers. They also got Buendia (a quality number 10/winger) from Getaffe, a player who Arsenal are now after. Put those goals and creativity into our 2017/18 squad and we’d have looked a quality team. If we’d kept Marcus Stewart we’d have gone up that season, and we’d all be looking forward to our upcoming Champions League trip to the San Siro! Joking aside, I agree - Webber was a big loss. May well have ended up with Farke at one point, too. Que sera. |
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Post by isitjustme on Feb 6, 2021 8:06:49 GMT 1
Can't compare who Webber attracted to Norwich to who we would have signed had he remained at Town. Completely different budgets to work with I suspect !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 9:53:34 GMT 1
Can't compare who Webber attracted to Norwich to who we would have signed had he remained at Town. Completely different budgets to work with I suspect !!! They were in the Championship, we had just survived in the PL and spent big on Kongolo, Mbenza & Diakhaby. The budget wasn’t an issue, where it got sent was. We finished bottom of our league, they won theirs. Anyway, it feels a lifetime ago already. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 6, 2021 11:38:30 GMT 1
If you think about Webber, Wilson, Wagner, Iga we did actually have top people employed. Oh well.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 6, 2021 12:34:26 GMT 1
We can piss & moan about Webber leaving all we want but the fact is he wanted to leave. Were the club supposed to just lock him in his office & beat him with a stick until he said he wanted to stay?
He saw Norwich as a better project with better facilities.
Move on.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 6, 2021 12:42:36 GMT 1
The great ‘what could have been’ is if Webber had stayed, giving us a competent DoF to scout players. Instead he took his contacts and target list to Norwich. Pukki could well have come to us, he signed for Norwich on a free in the summer of 2018 and has scored 51 in 102 for them across the top two tiers. They also got Buendia (a quality number 10/winger) from Getaffe, a player who Arsenal are now after. Put those goals and creativity into our 2017/18 squad and we’d have looked a quality team. All the German players to come in that first summer were at the suggestion of Wagner and Buhler, not Webber. Webber's only signings were Ward and Holmes-Dennis |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 12:53:48 GMT 1
The great ‘what could have been’ is if Webber had stayed, giving us a competent DoF to scout players. Instead he took his contacts and target list to Norwich. Pukki could well have come to us, he signed for Norwich on a free in the summer of 2018 and has scored 51 in 102 for them across the top two tiers. They also got Buendia (a quality number 10/winger) from Getaffe, a player who Arsenal are now after. Put those goals and creativity into our 2017/18 squad and we’d have looked a quality team. All the German players to come in that first summer were at the suggestion of Wagner and Buhler, not Webber. Webber's only signings were Ward and Holmes-Dennis Wagner didn’t have a clue who Mooy was and wasn’t keen to take him. Webber was responsible for the second summer - Depoitre, Mounié, Ince etc. The players who kept us up. He left to go to Norwich shortly after and we didn’t sign a decent play for quite some time. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 6, 2021 12:59:14 GMT 1
All the German players to come in that first summer were at the suggestion of Wagner and Buhler, not Webber. Webber's only signings were Ward and Holmes-Dennis Wagner didn’t have a clue who Mooy was and wasn’t keen to take him. Webber was responsible for the second summer - Depoitre, Mounié, Ince etc. The players who kept us up. He left to go to Norwich shortly after and we didn’t sign a decent play for quite some time. He was not he was gone before we won promotion the guy from Celtic brought. in those |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 6, 2021 13:00:00 GMT 1
All the German players to come in that first summer were at the suggestion of Wagner and Buhler, not Webber. Webber's only signings were Ward and Holmes-Dennis Wagner didn’t have a clue who Mooy was and wasn’t keen to take him. Webber was responsible for the second summer - Depoitre, Mounié, Ince etc. The players who kept us up. He left to go to Norwich shortly after and we didn’t sign a decent play for quite some time. He was placed on gardening leave at the end of March 2017, before we were even promoted so he had no say in the players who kept us up that first season. With Mooy, Manchester City approached us about getting him on loan because they liked the way Wagner worked. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 6, 2021 13:02:39 GMT 1
Someone was getting the deals over the line. If Walsall would rather deal with Luton Town something isn’t right.
I keep hearing we’re not standing for no nonsense and won’t be made mugs of. If it means we get the players we want i don’t give a rats arse how stupid we look. Nothing compares to the embarrassment of going straight from the Premier League into relegation battles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 13:21:45 GMT 1
I’ve gone daft, I’m thinking of David Moss.
We’ve sacked so many it’s hard to keep track...
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 6, 2021 13:48:38 GMT 1
The great ‘what could have been’ is if Webber had stayed, giving us a competent DoF to scout players. Instead he took his contacts and target list to Norwich. Pukki could well have come to us, he signed for Norwich on a free in the summer of 2018 and has scored 51 in 102 for them across the top two tiers. They also got Buendia (a quality number 10/winger) from Getaffe, a player who Arsenal are now after. Put those goals and creativity into our 2017/18 squad and we’d have looked a quality team. All the German players to come in that first summer were at the suggestion of Wagner and Buhler, not Webber. Webber's only signings were Ward and Holmes-Dennis And Wagner |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 6, 2021 15:59:23 GMT 1
Webber would have also been behind Palmer, brown and ward. I would guess van la parra as well
Mooy anyone’s guess
Heff, Schindler, Loewe, kachunga, stankovic and quauner you’d assume Wagner (along with pavelic who flopped)
Hogg, smith and wells already here but Wagner found an extra gear in them
And without Webber we’d never have gone for Wagner
Shame he left but equally nothing really we could do about it
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Post by dbterrier32 on Feb 7, 2021 16:16:55 GMT 1
I’ve gone daft, I’m thinking of David Moss. We’ve sacked so many it’s hard to keep track... Still a mystery sacking that one. Does anybody actually know what has happened with him and why he went? Also Webb does anybody know why he actually went? Surely it can’t have been because Cowleys wanted a different system as apparently we were looking at Carlos in January. He would have been fine in the role and better than Bromby |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 8, 2021 3:34:17 GMT 1
I’ve gone daft, I’m thinking of David Moss. We’ve sacked so many it’s hard to keep track... Still a mystery sacking that one. Does anybody actually know what has happened with him and why he went? Also Webb does anybody know why he actually went? Surely it can’t have been because Cowleys wanted a different system as apparently we were looking at Carlos in January. He would have been fine in the role and better than Bromby David Moss has now become a player agent. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Feb 8, 2021 9:02:49 GMT 1
Someone was getting the deals over the line. If Walsall would rather deal with Luton Town something isn’t right. I keep hearing we’re not standing for no nonsense and won’t be made mugs of. If it means we get the players we want i don’t give a rats arse how stupid we look. Nothing compares to the embarrassment of going straight from the Premier League into relegation battles. I've heard a few rumours that suggest Phil likes to meddle in the transfer process and his meddling actually cost us a few signings on deadline day. I heard that we spoke with several strikers who wanted a move but opted to stay at their clubs rather than come to us, and that the feeling behind closed doors is that it was Phil's involvement that tipped the balance. This is apart from those we were in for who moved to a new club like the lad from Walsall to Luton. He apparently also tanked a deal for a Premier league loan with his attitude. I could put up with the apparent resentment of us fans and the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, even the taking us for mugs over the West Vale Squash Club lies - all of that I cold stomach if he was actually capable of doing his job. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 8, 2021 11:16:36 GMT 1
Someone was getting the deals over the line. If Walsall would rather deal with Luton Town something isn’t right. I keep hearing we’re not standing for no nonsense and won’t be made mugs of. If it means we get the players we want i don’t give a rats arse how stupid we look. Nothing compares to the embarrassment of going straight from the Premier League into relegation battles. I've heard a few rumours that suggest Phil likes to meddle in the transfer process and his meddling actually cost us a few signings on deadline day. I heard that we spoke with several strikers who wanted a move but opted to stay at their clubs rather than come to us, and that the feeling behind closed doors is that it was Phil's involvement that tipped the balance. This is apart from those we were in for who moved to a new club like the lad from Walsall to Luton. He apparently also tanked a deal for a Premier league loan with his attitude. I could put up with the apparent resentment of us fans and the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, even the taking us for mugs over the West Vale Squash Club lies - all of that I cold stomach if he was actually capable of doing his job. If what you say is true, then the club is really screwed. When the head guy is the cause of many of the problems then we have a serious, serious problem. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 8, 2021 12:21:25 GMT 1
Someone was getting the deals over the line. If Walsall would rather deal with Luton Town something isn’t right. I keep hearing we’re not standing for no nonsense and won’t be made mugs of. If it means we get the players we want i don’t give a rats arse how stupid we look. Nothing compares to the embarrassment of going straight from the Premier League into relegation battles. I've heard a few rumours that suggest Phil likes to meddle in the transfer process and his meddling actually cost us a few signings on deadline day. I heard that we spoke with several strikers who wanted a move but opted to stay at their clubs rather than come to us, and that the feeling behind closed doors is that it was Phil's involvement that tipped the balance. This is apart from those we were in for who moved to a new club like the lad from Walsall to Luton. He apparently also tanked a deal for a Premier league loan with his attitude. I could put up with the apparent resentment of us fans and the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, even the taking us for mugs over the West Vale Squash Club lies - all of that I cold stomach if he was actually capable of doing his job. If that’s true it’s bloody disastrous. |
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Post by basil on Feb 8, 2021 13:36:32 GMT 1
Someone was getting the deals over the line. If Walsall would rather deal with Luton Town something isn’t right. I keep hearing we’re not standing for no nonsense and won’t be made mugs of. If it means we get the players we want i don’t give a rats arse how stupid we look. Nothing compares to the embarrassment of going straight from the Premier League into relegation battles. I've heard a few rumours that suggest Phil likes to meddle in the transfer process and his meddling actually cost us a few signings on deadline day. I heard that we spoke with several strikers who wanted a move but opted to stay at their clubs rather than come to us, and that the feeling behind closed doors is that it was Phil's involvement that tipped the balance. This is apart from those we were in for who moved to a new club like the lad from Walsall to Luton. He apparently also tanked a deal for a Premier league loan with his attitude. I could put up with the apparent resentment of us fans and the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, even the taking us for mugs over the West Vale Squash Club lies - all of that I cold stomach if he was actually capable of doing his job. Where was the hard nosed owner involvement when Diabenza was signed up? I'm not itk, but it's clear that owners are damned if they do and damned if they don't. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 8, 2021 13:55:41 GMT 1
I've heard a few rumours that suggest Phil likes to meddle in the transfer process and his meddling actually cost us a few signings on deadline day. I heard that we spoke with several strikers who wanted a move but opted to stay at their clubs rather than come to us, and that the feeling behind closed doors is that it was Phil's involvement that tipped the balance. This is apart from those we were in for who moved to a new club like the lad from Walsall to Luton. He apparently also tanked a deal for a Premier league loan with his attitude. I could put up with the apparent resentment of us fans and the Billy Big Bollocks attitude, even the taking us for mugs over the West Vale Squash Club lies - all of that I cold stomach if he was actually capable of doing his job. Where was the hard nosed owner involvement when Diabenza was signed up? I'm not itk, but it's clear that owners are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Er...different owner 🤔 |
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Post by keefer on Feb 8, 2021 14:35:07 GMT 1
Where was the hard nosed owner involvement when Diabenza was signed up? I'm not itk, but it's clear that owners are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Er...different owner 🤔 It's the same principle though, whoever the participants |
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