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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2021 10:57:08 GMT 1
He was a key player in the season they lost the play off final, having been player of the season at scunny year before Was one of their top performers the following season until he broke his leg. Only reason he is no longer a regular is his contract situation. Frozen out to force him to move in Jan rather than free in the summer. Thanks for that. This is the stuff you don't see from the outside. He would probably be straight into the team if he moved here as well. injury situation at the moment that's not saying much!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 10:58:11 GMT 1
Thanks for that. This is the stuff you don't see from the outside. He would probably be straight into the team if he moved here as well. Didn't Derby pay something like £5m for him ? It would be cruel to laugh at Derby's plight wouldn't it ? £5m? they paid about 500k for him! what he is worth in honesty I am less underwhelmed by this signing than I was Ward as I always thought there was a player in Holmes before we released him but then we got Kasey and Izzy so didn't mind too much. With our current injury record he will be in the XI straight away I would imagine.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2021 10:59:12 GMT 1
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 15, 2021 10:59:15 GMT 1
Decent player and holds his own at this level...............but not sure he is going to help us truly challenge at the top end of this league. Hey ho time will tell. Although hasn't he been a key part of Derby play off squads ? I think he was a regular under Frank Lampard.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 15, 2021 11:21:08 GMT 1
Thanks for that. This is the stuff you don't see from the outside. He would probably be straight into the team if he moved here as well. Didn't Derby pay something like £5m for him ? It would be cruel to laugh at Derby's plight wouldn't it ? About £700,000 I think,
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Post by detox on Jan 15, 2021 11:36:58 GMT 1
I'm not really a fan of returning players. Mally Brown was never the same after his big time move to newcastle, Roy Ellam when he returned from Leeds, Boothy wasn't what he was when he came back from Wednesday, Ward was never good enough and is worse on his return (when we've seen him), so Holmes coming back makes me nervous ..have I missed any other 'returning' players ? Were any of the above aged 26 having left the club before establishing themselves? irrelevant...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 11:54:25 GMT 1
Were any of the above aged 26 having left the club before establishing themselves? irrelevant... Not really. We’ve sold the majority whilst they were just realising their potential and given them a nostalgic last payday on their way back down. Holmes would be very different. I can’t think of a single player who we’ve sold, bought back and then sold again and had any kind of success. Stead maybe, but he was well down the divisions. Peltier (somehow). This is very different to the likes of Booth, Edwards, Onoura etc.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 13:09:29 GMT 1
Proven at this level??? I dont think so. He cant get a regular start for Derby. Too small and often gets outmuscled. If we sign him it just shows our lack of ambition. He's played 100 games in the Championship - www.transfermarkt.co.uk/duane-holmes/leistungsdaten/spieler/257095/plus/0?saison=gesHe signed for Derby in 2018. 18/19 they ended 6th and lost in the Play Off final at Wembley. Last season they were 10th Are you saying he's a League One standard player? Are you saying he's the reason they finished 6th and 10th, I presume the rest of the squad had a part to play
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Post by hudmat on Jan 15, 2021 13:24:36 GMT 1
Are you saying he's the reason they finished 6th and 10th, I presume the rest of the squad had a part to play Are you saying they finished 6th and 10th despite him and his team mates had to carry him to finish this high up the league?
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Jan 15, 2021 13:28:16 GMT 1
300k is the figure ive heard mentioned... If thats true its a bit of a steal imo
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 13:45:54 GMT 1
Are you saying he's the reason they finished 6th and 10th, I presume the rest of the squad had a part to play Are you saying they finished 6th and 10th despite him and his team mates had to carry him to finish this high up the league? He only started 16 games in the season they finished 6th. Mason Mount, Tom Huddleston and Craig Bryson was the preferred midfield 3. Last season he played 36 games out of 52 (31+5 subs) and managed 1 goal and 1 assist more than Jamie Paterson that only appeared 12 times.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 15, 2021 13:49:27 GMT 1
300k is the figure ive heard mentioned... If thats true its a bit of a steal imo Depends on wages as well but I think that’s a really good deal.
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Post by Metch on Jan 15, 2021 14:26:47 GMT 1
I think he'll suit our style and I'm sure Carlos can make him tick better than his previous managers. He can carry the ball, his passing is sharper than LOB's, I can see him doing all right if he comes back.
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Post by midlander on Jan 15, 2021 15:46:18 GMT 1
I think he'll suit our style and I'm sure Carlos can make him tick better than his previous managers. He can carry the ball, his passing is sharper than LOB's, I can see him doing all right if he comes back. Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now.
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Post by boooothy on Jan 15, 2021 15:57:13 GMT 1
I think he'll suit our style and I'm sure Carlos can make him tick better than his previous managers. He can carry the ball, his passing is sharper than LOB's, I can see him doing all right if he comes back. Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now. If we want someone like Brown why not just sign Brown rather than making do.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 15, 2021 16:08:13 GMT 1
Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now. If we want someone like Brown why not just sign Brown rather than making do. agree with you there. despite the label of chelsea loan burnout that's stuck to Brown of late, he was one of the most creative players in the league last season in relation to time on the pitch. however, signing players like him from chelsea is notoriously difficult and they actively sabotage careers to protect their investments. he has 6 months left on his deal with the year option I believe- in a similar situation in the past Chelsea got Lucas Piazon to sign another longterm contract by threatening to trigger the year option but not sending him on loan during that year. this was in 2017, and he only left Chelsea permanently this afternoon! I'd imagine with Derby actively looking to get rid of Holmes, he'd be the cheaper option and definitely good enough to contribute to the squad. I'd still prefer Brown though if it were a choice between the 2
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 15, 2021 16:09:25 GMT 1
Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now. If we want someone like Brown why not just sign Brown rather than making do. Because the Brown we had hasn't been seen since Newcastle kicked him off field.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 15, 2021 16:42:33 GMT 1
I think he'll suit our style and I'm sure Carlos can make him tick better than his previous managers. He can carry the ball, his passing is sharper than LOB's, I can see him doing all right if he comes back. Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now. I think our failure to get such a player in the Prem was the biggest factor in Wagner's downfall.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 16:54:39 GMT 1
Absolutely this. We lack that link in the middle of the park between midfield and front man, a player that can pick the ball up and carry it, turn away. Similar to the job Palmer and Brown did in the promotion year. Holmes can do that role much better than anyone we have on the books right now. I think our failure to get such a player in the Prem was the biggest factor in Wagner's downfall. We got one, he got injured and Wagner fell out with him and shipped him back to Chelsea
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 15, 2021 17:10:42 GMT 1
I think our failure to get such a player in the Prem was the biggest factor in Wagner's downfall. We got one, he got injured and Wagner fell out with him and shipped him back to Chelsea So then we tried Ince, and then bought Pritchard, the rest, as they say, is history.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 15, 2021 17:15:36 GMT 1
Are you saying they finished 6th and 10th despite him and his team mates had to carry him to finish this high up the league? He only started 16 games in the season they finished 6th. Mason Mount, Tom Huddleston and Craig Bryson was the preferred midfield 3. Last season he played 36 games out of 52 (31+5 subs) and managed 1 goal and 1 assist more than Jamie Paterson that only appeared 12 times. He could have had a dozen assists judging by the highlights reel posted earlier had it not been for some shocking ball control/finishing by some of his team mates. The difference between Holmes and Pritchard is that Holmes looks capable of playing the killer pass, whereas Pritchard just looks capable of falling over.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 17:20:34 GMT 1
He only started 16 games in the season they finished 6th. Mason Mount, Tom Huddleston and Craig Bryson was the preferred midfield 3. Last season he played 36 games out of 52 (31+5 subs) and managed 1 goal and 1 assist more than Jamie Paterson that only appeared 12 times. He could have had a dozen assists judging by the highlights reel posted earlier had it not been for some shocking ball control/finishing by some of his team mates. The difference between Holmes and Pritchard is that Holmes looks capable of playing the killer pass, whereas Pritchard just looks capable of falling over. I'd be happy not to see either of them in a Town shirt again
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 15, 2021 17:34:43 GMT 1
He could have had a dozen assists judging by the highlights reel posted earlier had it not been for some shocking ball control/finishing by some of his team mates. The difference between Holmes and Pritchard is that Holmes looks capable of playing the killer pass, whereas Pritchard just looks capable of falling over. I'd be happy not to see either of them in a Town shirt again Who do think would do a better job in that position, if they were available? We do need a creative midfielder with Eiting probably out for the rest of the season. Not sure why Holmes wouldn't be a decent option.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jan 15, 2021 18:07:08 GMT 1
I'd be happy not to see either of them in a Town shirt again Who do think would do a better job in that position, if they were available? We do need a creative midfielder with Eiting probably out for the rest of the season. Not sure why Holmes wouldn't be a decent option. Holmes would be better than Eiting so big yes from me
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 15, 2021 18:21:19 GMT 1
Who do think would do a better job in that position, if they were available? We do need a creative midfielder with Eiting probably out for the rest of the season. Not sure why Holmes wouldn't be a decent option. Holmes would be better than Eiting so big yes from me Judging by the clips I've seen Holmes would be stronger. It was one of the areas Eiting wanted to improve but he has not shown that. Holmes has bulked up and although not very tall he does look like he holds his own, and is happy to run at defenders, and oh how I miss that.
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Post by bblueterrier on Jan 15, 2021 18:23:29 GMT 1
I see his qualities being well suited to our fast paced game particularly in transition with his pace & low centre of gravity. But like we have seen all season we struggle against physical teams & it seems half the teams in this league play this way. This signing will only magnify these problems. The team & squad as a whole is crying out for some size to not get bullied out of games. Too reliant on Sarr to get his head on everything in both boxes.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jan 15, 2021 18:23:48 GMT 1
Would rather have Jack Payne back....
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 18:31:44 GMT 1
I'd be happy not to see either of them in a Town shirt again Who do think would do a better job in that position, if they were available? We do need a creative midfielder with Eiting probably out for the rest of the season. Not sure why Holmes wouldn't be a decent option. So the best option is someone who was that good we let him go for free the first time around. Derby had Mount and Lawrence as the creative midfielders rather than Holmes and now they want shut of him. 6 goals and 5 assists in 83 games, if he's a creative midfielder is almoat Pritchard-like figures
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 15, 2021 18:34:41 GMT 1
You have to ask yourself this, is he any better than we have already? In my opinion,no, so why the fook would we sign him? Call me old fashioned but surely if you are making a signing he has to be better than what you already have and should improve the overall squad, he won't, it'll still be much of a muchness. The jury would be out for me.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2021 18:37:12 GMT 1
I see his qualities being well suited to our fast paced game particularly in transition with his pace & low centre of gravity. But like we have seen all season we struggle against physical teams & it seems half the teams in this league play this way. This signing will only magnify these problems. The team & squad as a whole is crying out for some size to not get bullied out of games. Too reliant on Sarr to get his head on everything in both boxes. That's another problem, for me. We are so easily bullied due to being such a small team. We could quite conceivably go into tomorrow's game with Schofield being the only player over 6'. Hoggy's only little, O'Brien is even smaller add Holmes into that in a team that struggles to defend set pieces already
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