BigDaddyG - a poll

[kennyk2]

Feb 11, 2021 17:51:26 GMT 1 Wingman said:

The poll is unnecessary.

However, it raises the question kennyk2, that maybe another admin or two is needed to give you and BidDaddyG some breathing space from time to time?

I’ve read the previous reasons why not, but maybe it’s times to reconsider and share the burden.

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

[tepidterrier]

I know the poll is tongue in cheek but there does seem to be some serious discussion so here's my two cents. Grim's doing a good job as an admin, has a set of rules that promotes general decency, and he applies them fairly including to himself in the past. He's a poster as well and what he says outside of the capacity of enforcing the rules is a different matter.

This forum does tend to go through very pronounced cycles of drama and bile spitting- often self perpetuating complaining and complaining about the complaining. When I catch myself getting sucked into that I just log off for a few days at this point. The forum would be a much better place if we all just took a pause once in a while and recognised when it's good for ourselves to just shut up and log off

[kennyk2]

I've let this thread run, but it gives me a really uneasy feeling. Basically, it's a popularity contest for one of our members and whether he is an admin is totally beside the point. I'd go as far as to say that it is morally suspect. A couple of things before I move it:

1. TotT is for football matters (during the season).

2. I have no idea what the point of having this poll will serve.

[Champers]

Feb 11, 2021 16:30:53 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Feb 11, 2021 15:51:47 GMT 1 dynastydan said:

Some people need to open their eyes and realise that this is classed as online bullying.
The lad has had to have a week off. How do you know this genuinely hasnt got to him a little?
In my opinion, this thread needs deleting.
Are you aware of mental health? Creating a thread like this can really impact the individual.

Utter codswallop.

If he's as mentally fragile as you suggest, he isn't going to be posting on here confidently stating his opinion, punctuated with sweary language and mild abuse of other posters, he's not going to take on the role of admin of a football chat site, and he's not going to have the balls to stand up in front of a crowd and 'do comedy' - if he's not comfortable in taking a bit of light hearted joviality.

Don't be such a total and complete wet blanket, not everyone needs someone to put their hand up on their behalf.

This is not a lad who is being 'bullied' by a few harmless words on a forum!! He's more than capable of letting people know if he's been offended.

Deary me. This is pretty low. If I was you I would probably stay away from discussing anything mental health related in the same way all the white fifty-somethings on here need to refrain from posting on any race-related issues.

The actual fuck is wrong with some people, honestly? SMH.

[terriers321]

Feb 11, 2021 17:16:04 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Feb 11, 2021 17:03:17 GMT 1 @shortdistancewalker said:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. With respect, wrong on so many counts. I don’t think appearance or posting style are clear mental health indicators.

You think someone f'ing at people and calling them poll strokers or whatever should get an easy ride because he may have mental health issues - but you're ok that he directs the f'ing and poll stroking at others in the first place?!

Hmmm 🤔

He quite obviously doesn't have mental health issues or a fragility that has any relevance to this discussion.

You are quite the oddball arnt you. Losing the plot over someone swearing, then posting a picture of him up? Get a grip.

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Feb 11, 2021 17:51:26 GMT 1 Wingman said:

The poll is unnecessary.

However, it raises the question kennyk2, that maybe another admin or two is needed to give you and BidDaddyG some breathing space from time to time?

I’ve read the previous reasons why not, but maybe it’s times to reconsider and share the burden.

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

It may not be a burden for you, but it is a burden for the hundreds of users!

There is a narrowness/shallowness of ’accepted' political opinion

There are hours on end with no admins on site.

There is a lack of majority decision for any deemed transgression.

If this debate was kicked off by 1/7th of an admin, do you think it'd have resulted in half the stink it has? Of course it wouldn't. Because the admins should be voluntary custodians.

But by becoming defacto leaders by virtue of having a closed shop, you've brought all this on yourselves. And it's spoiling it for all those who used the board long before you two showed up.

[ShortbreadPete]

Feb 11, 2021 16:26:35 GMT 1 jimmythebulldog said:

You should only vote 'No - he's only doing more harm than good' if you then send an email volunteering your services.


Bloke has stepped up to be an admin - that gets my immediate respect as it's a voluntary role.

Secondly, he's expressed an opinion - someone doesn't like it and just because he's an admin that's used against him.

He's allowed to post what he likes as long as it's within the rules - the rules he oversees by the way so I'm hoping he knows them more than most, certainly than me but I've never read them, mainly because I hope I don't need to.

Common decency and manners are the order of the day.

Precisely what was missing from some of Bigdaddys recent responses hence the problem he has made

[ShortbreadPete]

I posted that people should stop persecuting (and threatening) PH and give him fair time to show his intentions for the club.

Bigdaddy then posted rumours which I saw as pouring further fuel on the fire towards PH.

When challenged he responded with a foulmouthed rant and statements that those who didn't share his view are deluded and are sucking Phil's pole.

He was further challenged by a few posters and has taken a week off to reflect.

I wonder if he now has a little more empathy towards what PH has had to deal with for the last 18 months?

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 19:20:38 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

Feb 11, 2021 16:26:35 GMT 1 jimmythebulldog said:

You should only vote 'No - he's only doing more harm than good' if you then send an email volunteering your services.


Bloke has stepped up to be an admin - that gets my immediate respect as it's a voluntary role.

Secondly, he's expressed an opinion - someone doesn't like it and just because he's an admin that's used against him.

He's allowed to post what he likes as long as it's within the rules - the rules he oversees by the way so I'm hoping he knows them more than most, certainly than me but I've never read them, mainly because I hope I don't need to.

Common decency and manners are the order of the day.

Precisely what was missing from some of Bigdaddys recent responses hence the problem he has made

So you're condemning the "abuse" of Phil which seems to be some nasty words on Twitter calling him "skint and "Potless" yet you're condoning the same thing that is happening to grim? Talk about hypocritical. 

[Deleted]

What’s happened to BDG?

Has he decided to close his account temporarily? If so, why?

Seem to have completely missed this, so apologies for asking what could be deemed as obvious questions.

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 19:32:16 GMT 1 @rickyterrier said:

What’s happened to BDG?

Has he decided to close his account temporarily? If so, why?

Seem to have completely missed this, so apologies for asking what could be deemed as obvious questions.

Hi pal. He has made a thread saying he’s taking a week off.

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 19:39:48 GMT 1 @shortdistancewalker said:

Feb 11, 2021 19:32:16 GMT 1 @rickyterrier said:

What’s happened to BDG?

Has he decided to close his account temporarily? If so, why?

Seem to have completely missed this, so apologies for asking what could be deemed as obvious questions.

Hi pal. He has made a thread saying he’s taking a week off.

Hi mate.

Ta, will have a read 👍🏻

More drama than Corrie, that’s for sure!

[ShortbreadPete]

Feb 11, 2021 19:28:03 GMT 1 @robsall12 said:

Feb 11, 2021 19:20:38 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

Precisely what was missing from some of Bigdaddys recent responses hence the problem he has made

So you're condemning the "abuse" of Phil which seems to be some nasty words on Twitter calling him "skint and "Potless" yet you're condoning the same thing that is happening to grim? Talk about hypocritical. 

I'm afraid that you have totally misunderstood what I wrote

[overtonterrierspirit]

Feb 11, 2021 18:59:32 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I've let this thread run, but it gives me a really uneasy feeling. Basically, it's a popularity contest for one of our members and whether he is an admin is totally beside the point. I'd go as far as to say that it is morally suspect. A couple of things before I move it:

1. TotT is for football matters (during the season).

2. I have no idea what the point of having this poll will serve.

Totally agree Kenny.

Hope the “look at me “ brigade take note.

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 18:51:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Feb 11, 2021 16:30:53 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Utter codswallop.

If he's as mentally fragile as you suggest, he isn't going to be posting on here confidently stating his opinion, punctuated with sweary language and mild abuse of other posters, he's not going to take on the role of admin of a football chat site, and he's not going to have the balls to stand up in front of a crowd and 'do comedy' - if he's not comfortable in taking a bit of light hearted joviality.

Don't be such a total and complete wet blanket, not everyone needs someone to put their hand up on their behalf.

This is not a lad who is being 'bullied' by a few harmless words on a forum!! He's more than capable of letting people know if he's been offended.

He's quite open about problems he's had in that direction in the past.
I've messaged him to see if he's OK, he is.

FWIW, I have also reached out to BigDaddyG directly and offered a wholly sincere apology for *any* anguish or stress I have unintentionally caused by both my original considered threads and posts (which were intended to be light hearted; and many seemed to read and react to them that way), and also the follow up unwanted direction this thread has taken as a result, directly (intentionally or not) as a result of the self appointed mental-health-police wading in, combined with my trait of not 'letting things lie' 🤷‍♂️

I won't be replying further, (and in retrospect should have stepped away from the spiralling 'discussion' about the time that BigDaddyG did), although I do find it vaguely amusing that MY mental health doesn't seem to have consideration.

[Deleted]

Feb 11, 2021 20:13:46 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Feb 11, 2021 18:51:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He's quite open about problems he's had in that direction in the past.
I've messaged him to see if he's OK, he is.

FWIW, I have also reached out to BigDaddyG directly and offered a wholly sincere apology for *any* anguish or stress I have unintentionally caused by both my original considered threads and posts (which were intended to be light hearted; and many seemed to read and react to them that way), and also the follow up unwanted direction this thread has taken as a result, directly (intentionally or not) as a result of the self appointed mental-health-police wading in, combined with my trait of not 'letting things lie' 🤷‍♂️

I won't be replying further, (and in retrospect should have stepped away from the spiralling 'discussion' about the time that BigDaddyG did), although I do find it vaguely amusing that MY mental health doesn't seem to have consideration.

If your mental health was an issue then I would have found your posts even more alarming. From your response, I’m assuming that you don’t have any regrets and I’m also assuming from the language (mental-health-police, really?) that you don’t think you crossed a line with a couple of your posts?

Btw, I really do hope that you are doing OK too, just as I would any other poster for that matter. There are lots of posters on here who have opened up about loads of issues so there is always someone to connect with.

Take care and UTT, as always!

[Wingman]

Feb 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Feb 11, 2021 17:51:26 GMT 1 Wingman said:

The poll is unnecessary.

However, it raises the question kennyk2, that maybe another admin or two is needed to give you and BidDaddyG some breathing space from time to time?

I’ve read the previous reasons why not, but maybe it’s times to reconsider and share the burden.

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

Fair comment Sir👍🏼

[Tinpot]

Feb 11, 2021 20:13:46 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Feb 11, 2021 18:51:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He's quite open about problems he's had in that direction in the past.
I've messaged him to see if he's OK, he is.

FWIW, I have also reached out to BigDaddyG directly and offered a wholly sincere apology for *any* anguish or stress I have unintentionally caused by both my original considered threads and posts (which were intended to be light hearted; and many seemed to read and react to them that way), and also the follow up unwanted direction this thread has taken as a result, directly (intentionally or not) as a result of the self appointed mental-health-police wading in, combined with my trait of not 'letting things lie' 🤷‍♂️

I won't be replying further, (and in retrospect should have stepped away from the spiralling 'discussion' about the time that BigDaddyG did), although I do find it vaguely amusing that MY mental health doesn't seem to have consideration.

Fair play.

TBH, I wrote a facetious comment down a similar line but decided it wasn't as funny as I'd hoped, so deleted without posting it. TBH, I do wonder if lockdown is affecting people more than we realise. I think a lot of us (probably myself included) just need to chill the fuck out a bit.

[keithAM11532]

Feb 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Feb 11, 2021 17:51:26 GMT 1 Wingman said:

The poll is unnecessary.

However, it raises the question kennyk2, that maybe another admin or two is needed to give you and BidDaddyG some breathing space from time to time?

I’ve read the previous reasons why not, but maybe it’s times to reconsider and share the burden.

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

Drove poor old philincalifornia into a right melt down. Used to be a prolific poster and great admin. Hasn't logged on since 2019. Luckily we communicate outside of DATM - he doesn't miss this site all and has no plans to return ever. Too many difficult members.

[kennyk2]

Feb 11, 2021 22:17:56 GMT 1 keithAM11532 said:

Feb 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

Drove poor old philincalifornia into a right melt down. Used to be a prolific poster and great admin. Hasn't logged on since 2019. Luckily we communicate outside of DATM - he doesn't miss this site all and has no plans to return ever. Too many difficult members.

I also miss his posts.

[Tinpot]

Feb 11, 2021 22:23:09 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Feb 11, 2021 22:17:56 GMT 1 keithAM11532 said:

Drove poor old philincalifornia into a right melt down. Used to be a prolific poster and great admin. Hasn't logged on since 2019. Luckily we communicate outside of DATM - he doesn't miss this site all and has no plans to return ever. Too many difficult members.

I also miss his posts.

Ditto.

I don't know whether he still lurks or has completely stopped even looking at the forum. Simple way to check though.

philincalifornia knows nowt about science, and climate change is real.

[Macduff]

Feb 11, 2021 22:17:56 GMT 1 keithAM11532 said:

Feb 11, 2021 18:52:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I think I've gone into this before, but I can remind people why we decided to have two admins.

Eighteen months ago we had six, which was a complete cluster. It could take us weeks to reach a decision and sometimes these decisions fell through the cracks and didn't get made. Even when it went down to four admins it was a cumbersome operation trying to get an adjudication. With two it is much more slick.

Every admin has a pot which gets filled up with all the insults and stresses of trying to deal with what is in fact a small percentage of troublemakers, trolls, wums, and people who take pleasure in abusing other posters (sometimes I have to remind myself that this is a football forum!). Fortunately I have a massive pot, so I have some time to go yet! But we have had admins who have signed off and said, "that's enough for me... I'm done". These people never visit the site again.

So in answer to your question, it might be that in future we have more admins to share the burden, but in all honesty, although I may get irritated on occasion, for me the burden is generally a light one.

Drove poor old philincalifornia into a right melt down. Used to be a prolific poster and great admin. Hasn't logged on since 2019. Luckily we communicate outside of DATM - he doesn't miss this site all and has no plans to return ever. Too many difficult members.

Nah he just realised Greta Thunberg was right.

[ben1987]

Feb 11, 2021 22:54:32 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Feb 11, 2021 22:23:09 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I also miss his posts.

Ditto.

I don't know whether he still lurks or has completely stopped even looking at the forum. Simple way to check though.

philincalifornia knows nowt about science, and climate change is real.

What ever happened to Phil?

[keithAM11532]

Feb 11, 2021 23:21:04 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Feb 11, 2021 22:54:32 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Ditto.

I don't know whether he still lurks or has completely stopped even looking at the forum. Simple way to check though.

philincalifornia knows nowt about science, and climate change is real.

What ever happened to Phil?

He just decided that he had had enough and stopped logging on. he's still out there in California, in good health, in good spirits.

[dynastydan]

Feb 11, 2021 20:13:46 GMT 1 @ennius said:

Feb 11, 2021 18:51:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He's quite open about problems he's had in that direction in the past.
I've messaged him to see if he's OK, he is.

FWIW, I have also reached out to BigDaddyG directly and offered a wholly sincere apology for *any* anguish or stress I have unintentionally caused by both my original considered threads and posts (which were intended to be light hearted; and many seemed to read and react to them that way), and also the follow up unwanted direction this thread has taken as a result, directly (intentionally or not) as a result of the self appointed mental-health-police wading in, combined with my trait of not 'letting things lie' 🤷‍♂️

I won't be replying further, (and in retrospect should have stepped away from the spiralling 'discussion' about the time that BigDaddyG did), although I do find it vaguely amusing that MY mental health doesn't seem to have consideration.

Just quit while your ahead fella. When you write 'mental health police wading in'
That again isnt acceptable. And trying to spin it into yourself is plain embarrassing.

Everyones mental health is considered. But to use that in your last sentence as a pole to beat people with is not okay.

I advise you dont comment on this topic because you obviously have no idea what mental health issues have to people and their families. People on here may have been in a horrible situation. It's a too sensitive topic be saying 'mental health police' and 'what about MY mental health' . This isnt school where its tit-for-tat.

[DeepSpace]

I've suggested privately before that I don't think it's a good idea, once you start to get a level of abuse, that admins are identified by their own account. I am on several forums where they are simply identified as (for example) Admin 1, DATM2, etc. You might guess who they are over time, but it provides a bit of a barrier at least.

For the record, I don't always agree with admin decisions, but I think they do a good job by & large of keeping the worst of things in check.

Apologies if this is a repeat post...I didn't read the whole thing!

[est1908]

The Phil H poll was posted with the note "Let's take the temperature, as at the moment the tide feels like it has turned - even optimistic fans seem to have lost faith with the current owner."

Obvious which direction the originator was hoping the poll would go....

No comments were allowed on this thread as it was locked.

[Wingman]

Feb 12, 2021 9:51:31 GMT 1 DeepSpace said:

I've suggested privately before that I don't think it's a good idea, once you start to get a level of abuse, that admins are identified by their own account. I am on several forums where they are simply identified as (for example) Admin 1, DATM2, etc. You might guess who they are over time, but it provides a bit of a barrier at least.

Brilliant suggestion. kennyk2 this surely is one for consideration?

[kennyk2]

Feb 12, 2021 11:58:03 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Feb 12, 2021 9:51:31 GMT 1 DeepSpace said:

I've suggested privately before that I don't think it's a good idea, once you start to get a level of abuse, that admins are identified by their own account. I am on several forums where they are simply identified as (for example) Admin 1, DATM2, etc. You might guess who they are over time, but it provides a bit of a barrier at least.

Brilliant suggestion. kennyk2 this surely is one for consideration?

This is an idea that we can discuss. Trying to configure a poster's name once already registered might be a problem, as their original registration profile still appears.

On the same subject, the problem admins have had, and I know this is hard to believe, is personal threats to their person. Four out of the last five admins have been exiles, which actually makes things a hell of a lot easier for them.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Feb 12, 2021 13:16:34 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Feb 12, 2021 11:58:03 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Brilliant suggestion. kennyk2 this surely is one for consideration?

This is an idea that we can discuss. Trying to configure a poster's name once already registered might be a problem, as their original registration profile still appears.

On the same subject, the problem admins have had, and I know this is hard to believe, is personal threats to their person. Four out of the last five admins have been exiles, which actually makes things a hell of a lot easier for them.

My god.
That’s disgraceful Kenny.