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Post by keefer on Jul 17, 2022 22:56:18 GMT 1
How are people so sure that the combined fee is £10 million?
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 22:58:05 GMT 1
How are people so sure that the combined fee is £10 million? John Percy from the telegraph reported the figure |
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Post by calken on Jul 17, 2022 23:09:59 GMT 1
Yeah I agree with all of that actually, my last sentence was inaccurate. What I meant was we’re not investing the £10m we’re about to receive for them. Why can’t we use the £10m to buy a few £1m players with potential and strengthen other areas of the side? Got you. I interpreted your response differently. I agree. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 17, 2022 23:44:22 GMT 1
Despite the heat, at least we won’t be in drought. The bed wetters will see to that.
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Post by Will on Jul 18, 2022 0:03:58 GMT 1
That’s a bonkers price for the 2. Bad PR and/or poor negotiation. Losing one of the best managers, arguably the best midfielder and a top wingback for a reported £10m is laughable. Something smells The price we receive for players is pretty immaterial to fans because the fee won’t be spent on incoming players. So £10 million or £1 million doesn’t matter. If the club cannot get a decent deal on our better/best players. Lose a rather surprisingly good manager then that calls ownership decisions and ability/desire into question. It looks inept frankly. More could have been extracted from the transfer. Much more. |
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Post by tvor on Jul 18, 2022 0:05:21 GMT 1
When Town signed Dangly Williams after the play off final, did any fans take to Twitter to take the piss out of Reading fans? Or is it just Forest fans being nobs?
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Post by willo on Jul 18, 2022 0:57:10 GMT 1
When Town signed Dangly Williams after the play off final, did any fans take to Twitter to take the piss out of Reading fans? Or is it just Forest fans being nobs? Very much the latter. He who laughs last laughs longest though, just give it 9 months. |
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Post by keefer on Jul 18, 2022 1:04:56 GMT 1
How are people so sure that the combined fee is £10 million? John Percy from the telegraph reported the figure So that makes it gospel then? |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 18, 2022 2:14:51 GMT 1
When Town signed Dangly Williams after the play off final, did any fans take to Twitter to take the piss out of Reading fans? Or is it just Forest fans being nobs? I was thinking the same, and I’ve muted #nffc so I’m not even seeing most of it. As soon as the final whistle went in 2017, I was more worried about Premier League teams than to take the piss out of Reading. These Forest fans have bigger things to worry about. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 18, 2022 7:36:03 GMT 1
When Town signed Dangly Williams after the play off final, did any fans take to Twitter to take the piss out of Reading fans? Or is it just Forest fans being nobs? Dangly Williams 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 7:57:59 GMT 1
How are people so sure that the combined fee is £10 million? John Percy from the telegraph reported the figure He reported the fee is “around £10M mark before add-ons etc.” He’s framed it in a very particular way, either deliberately to create a sense of Forest getting a bargain, or because he’s only got a certain snippet of info from his source. Most transfer fees are reported as gross figures, so the fees reported here are naturally going to look small by comparison. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 18, 2022 8:18:01 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team
He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO
The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB
All the best to him
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Post by harris on Jul 18, 2022 8:31:20 GMT 1
John Percy from the telegraph reported the figure So that makes it gospel then? I was just answering your question mate |
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Post by mallyb on Jul 18, 2022 8:38:50 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB All the best to him No it’s more a reflection on Dean wanting some money this summer and being terrible at negotiating. League 2 teams are turning us down and negotiating massive sell on clauses. Always sold our best players cheap, other clubs know this. They haven’t triggered his release fee, why is he going anywhere? |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 18, 2022 8:54:13 GMT 1
It has taken ages for the transfers to complete.
That tells you 1) we have been firm on price and heavily negotiated and 2) it is unlikely that any other clubs have been interested. If more clubs were interested it would push up the price and incentivise Forest to do the deal quickly.
We can only sell for the amount someone is prepared to pay and at the moment only Forest are prepared to pay anything.
Just because O’Brien has a minimum release clause it doesn’t mean that we only have to sell for that price. If someone is offering £8m with some decent add ons and no one else is interested then maybe we should take it. The club needs to sell each season to pay back debt and be financially secure. I’d rather that wasn’t the case but it is the reality we live in.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 18, 2022 8:58:38 GMT 1
The price we receive for players is pretty immaterial to fans because the fee won’t be spent on incoming players. So £10 million or £1 million doesn’t matter. If the club cannot get a decent deal on our better/best players. Lose a rather surprisingly good manager then that calls ownership decisions and ability/desire into question. It looks inept frankly. More could have been extracted from the transfer. Much more. Note sure ‘lose’ is the right word, seeing as CC walked …… Also, none of us actually have any real idea the structure of any deal yet |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 18, 2022 9:01:37 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB All the best to him No it’s more a reflection on Dean wanting some money this summer and being terrible at negotiating. League 2 teams are turning us down and negotiating massive sell on clauses. Always sold our best players cheap, other clubs know this. They haven’t triggered his release fee, why is he going anywhere? Not particularly a massive Hoyle fan myself these days but I suspect negotiating is one of his stronger points, the reason these things drag on I think is because he holds out for the highest figure he thinks is right and won't budge. Would be interested to know how you know that we are agreeing to 'massive' sell on clauses for our signings. Always makes me laugh when people think that Town are a pushover and everyone else is far better than us at signings, contracts etc. Bit like that old classic that we get our transfer fees in instalments yet the signings we make are all paid up front  |
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Post by duffterrier on Jul 18, 2022 9:15:43 GMT 1
The price we receive for players is pretty immaterial to fans because the fee won’t be spent on incoming players. So £10 million or £1 million doesn’t matter. If the club cannot get a decent deal on our better/best players. Lose a rather surprisingly good manager then that calls ownership decisions and ability/desire into question. It looks inept frankly. More could have been extracted from the transfer. Much more.
Obviously not!! However, is it definitely just 10 million? What are the add-ons? Is it 10 million in one go (is that better than 11 million over 3 years for instance?) I'm certain Hoyle isn't selling these players on the cheap just for the sake of it and is getting the best possible deal, wether that's for himself or the club. I realise it's a forum and therefore there's a lot of guessing/speculation on a lot of subjects but some of the criticism of players/manager/chairman etc without the full knowledge of what is and has happened is sometimes over the top....maybe wait until the full facts are out before people have a meltdown! |
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Post by gufc on Jul 18, 2022 9:20:18 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB All the best to him He's 27 later this year. |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 18, 2022 9:27:29 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB All the best to him He's 27 later this year. He's talking about O'Brien |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 18, 2022 9:28:29 GMT 1
It doesn't blow his theory apart at all. Supply and demand is totally relevant. If it was so obvious he is worth more, someone else would've been in for him and offered more. A release clause isn't a sale price, rather just effectively the maximum. Utter bollox! So we negotiated for several weeks & got £10 million, plus we threw in Toffs, Cheap at half the price, we must have been desperate for £10 million, was expecting Dean to bring in £12 million, for the 2 of them, a crazy, crazy deal! Think you have issues 🤣 |
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Post by prepare on Jul 18, 2022 9:35:59 GMT 1
If the club cannot get a decent deal on our better/best players. Lose a rather surprisingly good manager then that calls ownership decisions and ability/desire into question. It looks inept frankly. More could have been extracted from the transfer. Much more. Note sure ‘lose’ is the right word, seeing as CC walked …… Also, none of us actually have any real idea the structure of any deal yet I’m sure above would have got more! Not |
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Post by gufc on Jul 18, 2022 9:41:42 GMT 1
Like toffolo he’s been a great clubman and acts as an example to the other lads looking to break through into the first team He’s 24 later this year so it’s the right time. He’s clearly proven at championship level so there’s no benefit doing an extra season at this level. He’d be crazy not to leave for the chance to play in premier league IMO The fee is disappointing but that is more a reflection of how highly we all rate LOB All the best to him He's 27 later this year. Apologies!! |
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Post by Will on Jul 18, 2022 10:02:25 GMT 1
If the club cannot get a decent deal on our better/best players. Lose a rather surprisingly good manager then that calls ownership decisions and ability/desire into question. It looks inept frankly. More could have been extracted from the transfer. Much more.
Obviously not!! However, is it definitely just 10 million? What are the add-ons? Is it 10 million in one go (is that better than 11 million over 3 years for instance?) I'm certain Hoyle isn't selling these players on the cheap just for the sake of it and is getting the best possible deal, wether that's for himself or the club. I realise it's a forum and therefore there's a lot of guessing/speculation on a lot of subjects but some of the criticism of players/manager/chairman etc without the full knowledge of what is and has happened is sometimes over the top....maybe wait until the full facts are out before people have a meltdown! Well, we will disagree. I think it’s a shit price. Let me know when you sell your house. I’ll offer you 20 percent less than it’s worth, you can then accept and throw in your sports car as part of the package. 🙂 |
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Post by griffa on Jul 18, 2022 10:05:35 GMT 1
Utter bollox! So we negotiated for several weeks & got £10 million, plus we threw in Toffs, Cheap at half the price, we must have been desperate for £10 million, was expecting Dean to bring in £12 million, for the 2 of them, a crazy, crazy deal! Think you have issues 🤣 Are you Dean Hoyle? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2022 10:49:08 GMT 1
When Town signed Dangly Williams after the play off final, did any fans take to Twitter to take the piss out of Reading fans? Or is it just Forest fans being nobs? Very much the latter. He who laughs last laughs longest though, just give it 9 months. Not 9 inches???😯 |
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Post by bentley316 on Jul 18, 2022 11:22:07 GMT 1
I get why people are upset. O Brien has been my favourite player to watch since the Premier League days.
But realistically the type of player he is (Not overloaded with Goals and Assists) doesn't go for big money.
Kante is a far better player than Mahrez at his role in a team, but he went for half the price. Goals and Assists get the mega bucks.
Id rather get more for the pair, but the graft theyve put in over the last few years for this team. Theyve earned the right to move on without any bitterness
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Post by H6dds on Jul 18, 2022 13:14:18 GMT 1
Obviously not!! However, is it definitely just 10 million? What are the add-ons? Is it 10 million in one go (is that better than 11 million over 3 years for instance?) I'm certain Hoyle isn't selling these players on the cheap just for the sake of it and is getting the best possible deal, wether that's for himself or the club. I realise it's a forum and therefore there's a lot of guessing/speculation on a lot of subjects but some of the criticism of players/manager/chairman etc without the full knowledge of what is and has happened is sometimes over the top....maybe wait until the full facts are out before people have a meltdown! Well, we will disagree. I think it’s a shit price. Let me know when you sell your house. I’ll offer you 20 percent less than it’s worth, you can then accept and throw in your sports car as part of the package. 🙂 its worth what someone is willing to pay for it, not what fans on a forum think |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 18, 2022 16:02:00 GMT 1
I get why people are upset. O Brien has been my favourite player to watch since the Premier League days. But realistically the type of player he is (Not overloaded with Goals and Assists) doesn't go for big money. Kante is a far better player than Mahrez at his role in a team, but he went for half the price. Goals and Assists get the mega bucks. Id rather get more for the pair, but the graft theyve put in over the last few years for this team. Theyve earned the right to move on without any bitterness Yeah but Phillips just went for around 45 million hes got no assists or goals in his game hardly . £8 to 10 million for LO is pants down desperate for some quick cash for DH , sorry but forest have snapped a barginvifvthis is the price But at least the owner gets some cash to stare at in his bank balance must be chuffed to bits. |
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Post by typical on Jul 18, 2022 16:17:35 GMT 1
Is there anyone else out here who just wants both LOB and Toffs gone asap so that the twiglets will get off our Twitter timeline? Totally unbearable to even look at the feed right now with those bastards
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