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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 22, 2022 11:37:03 GMT 1
Totally separate issues which you can’t put together. Should we just sell players below the going market rate because we want to make a stance? Yes, we are happy to sell O’Brien for £5m as long as Sheff United don’t charge us £38 per game. Forrest will take O’Brien, give us £5m, ring Sheff United, they’ll have a laugh together at us and fans will still get charged £38m. Daft is being kind. As far as where do people get their figures from, for me, it’s about what has and is being paid in the market. It helps if more than one club comes in for your player because then you most likely will get the market rate. £15m is probably about the going rate for a CM from the championship, if they are a goal scorer then it bumps into the £15m to £20m bracket. A young striker coming from the championship is £15m to £30m depending on what attributes they have. For a LB, in the case of Toff, I see him much like a Flo or Malone, so you would be looking at £4m to £5m. Even Smith was sold to Stoke for about that amount in the championship. It is all related. It’s a cycle. Money swilling around. Tickets, transfers, TV, wages. I don’t doubt it’s all related, but they are separate issues. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 22, 2022 11:37:07 GMT 1
LOB has gone, what we got for him will not change.
The only point I find disappointing is that we don't appear to be using any of the transfer fee to improve the squad.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 22, 2022 11:58:42 GMT 1
LOB has gone, what we got for him will not change. The only point I find disappointing is that we don't appear to be using any of the transfer fee to improve the squad. Only 2 days passed?  |
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Post by incognito on Jul 22, 2022 12:12:36 GMT 1
LOB has gone, what we got for him will not change. The only point I find disappointing is that we don't appear to be using any of the transfer fee to improve the squad. While I'm sure many would like to see us investing more, it should be acknowledged that we've shelled out more in transfer fees this summer than in any window since we were in the Premier League (disregarding the horrendous obligation to buy Mbenza). |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 22, 2022 12:26:06 GMT 1
LOB has gone, what we got for him will not change. The only point I find disappointing is that we don't appear to be using any of the transfer fee to improve the squad. While I'm sure many would like to see us investing more, it should be acknowledged that we've shelled out more in transfer fees this summer than in any window since we were in the Premier League (disregarding the horrendous obligation to buy Mbenza). And what a fortune that has been. Care to mention what we have received over that period? |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 22, 2022 12:28:03 GMT 1
LOB has gone, what we got for him will not change. The only point I find disappointing is that we don't appear to be using any of the transfer fee to improve the squad. Only 2 days passed? Have you seen the quote that we have got their replacements already? Note I did say appear, I hope to be proved wrong! |
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Post by incognito on Jul 22, 2022 12:52:40 GMT 1
While I'm sure many would like to see us investing more, it should be acknowledged that we've shelled out more in transfer fees this summer than in any window since we were in the Premier League (disregarding the horrendous obligation to buy Mbenza). And what a fortune that has been. Care to mention what we have received over that period? That's a wider discussion. The point for me is that, without the sale of O'Brien already in the pipeline, we wouldn't have spent the million+ on Rudoni and Kasumu so I do consider there to have been some reinvestment of the fee (satisfactory or otherwise). |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 22, 2022 13:04:31 GMT 1
And what a fortune that has been. Care to mention what we have received over that period? That's a wider discussion. The point for me is that, without the sale of O'Brien already in the pipeline, we wouldn't have spent the million+ on Rudoni and Kasumu so I do consider there to have been some reinvestment of the fee (satisfactory or otherwise). Lets not kick that discussion one off again. I know that we will not use much of the transfer fee but a reasonable percentage should be used if we are to emulate Brentford. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 22, 2022 15:04:20 GMT 1
Lots of twigs keep saying they are/were our two best players. I’d personally put sorba, Nichols, Hogg, ward (last seasons goals) even lees and Pearson up there with our best players. Don’t see how anyone can say they were our best players when last seasons team was exactly that a team. I think Lewis was head and shoulders our best player alongside Nichols but I would agree with you about Toffolo. Whilst Toffolo is a good championship player, I neither thought he particularly excelled in defence nor attack. I know the latter might seem an odd statement, given the goals he scored at the end of last season, but for one thing he wasn’t particularly quick and never took anyone on down the line one on one when he could have at times. Personally I think he will struggle in the premier league. He struggled like fuck in the final against forest. Bigger than Optimus prime so I won’t argue! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 20:18:20 GMT 1
Sounds like he’s had a great full debut for forest today (FairPlay to the lad after Hoyles pathetic remarks), it’s ok though we’ve spent 800k replacing him 😂😂
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 10:05:38 GMT 1
Sounds like he’s had a great full debut for forest today (FairPlay to the lad after Hoyles pathetic remarks), it’s ok though we’ve spent 800k replacing him 😂😂 Strange thing for DH to do. Think it will come back to smack him on the arse , wouldn’t be suprised to see this lad go on to play for a top 6 side . |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 31, 2022 10:07:57 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read too much into it, Hoyle has often done it to players after they’ve left. It’s a bit of PR to get people to take the current situation a bit better.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 31, 2022 10:13:05 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read too much into it, Hoyle has often done it to players after they’ve left. It’s a bit of PR to get people to take the current situation a bit better. Fair enough if said ex-player acted like a bell end (Jacob Butterfield, for example). To stick the brogue in on someone like O'Brien just makes Hoyle look small and petty. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 31, 2022 10:31:51 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read too much into it, Hoyle has often done it to players after they’ve left. It’s a bit of PR to get people to take the current situation a bit better. Fair enough if said ex-player acted like a bell end (Jacob Butterfield, for example). To stick the brogue in on someone like O'Brien just makes Hoyle look small and petty. I think the bashing of Hoyle is going too far, but even in the good times he'd make me cringe a bit with what he said. I sort of get the point he was making, but there was zero benefit in saying it. LOB might not have got many goals and direct assists, but I bet if we look back loads of our goals were following his pressing or one of his surges. My god, his dynamism was so sorely missed in that midfield. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 31, 2022 11:24:34 GMT 1
I’ve a Forest mate (only just these days) who went to their friendly with Valencia yesterday and was raving about O’Brien (also said Toffolo was the weakest link).
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2022 11:27:56 GMT 1
I’ve a Forest mate (only just these days) who went to their friendly with Valencia yesterday and was raving about O’Brien (also said Toffolo was the weakest link). Toffolo was good for us but he's replaceable . O Brien is one of the best midfielders I've seen wear a town shirt and replacing him is different matter altogether |
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Post by HTAFC Darren on Jul 31, 2022 11:28:38 GMT 1
What were Hoyle's remarks?
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 31, 2022 11:44:31 GMT 1
I’ve a Forest mate (only just these days) who went to their friendly with Valencia yesterday and was raving about O’Brien (also said Toffolo was the weakest link). Toffolo was good for us but he's replaceable . O Brien is one of the best midfielders I've seen wear a town shirt and replacing him is different matter altogether Sadly, he’s not replaceable by Ruffels judging on the (admittedly limited) evidence so far! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 31, 2022 11:51:02 GMT 1
Fair enough if said ex-player acted like a bell end (Jacob Butterfield, for example). To stick the brogue in on someone like O'Brien just makes Hoyle look small and petty. I think the Hoyle bashing is going too far, but even in the good times he'd make me cringe a bit with what he said. I sort of get the point he was making, but there was zero benefit in saying it. LOB might not have got many goals and direct assists, but I bet if we look back loads of our goals were following his pressing or one of his surges. My god, his dynamism was so sorely missed in that midfield. Until Tino came on. He reminded me of Obrien in that game in the way a few times he got the ball in the middle, turned and burst through their lines with it. maybe thats going to be his role this season? Doubt he has Obriens engine, but probably has more body strength and pace... and hopefully more end product too. |
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Post by aca00js on Jul 31, 2022 12:13:23 GMT 1
What were Hoyle's remarks? I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 31, 2022 12:44:53 GMT 1
What were Hoyle's remarks? I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. If that's all Dean said then I struggle to see the issue. It's fair comment and I expect even Lewis would accept that is an area of his game to work on. We missed him on Friday, but there's a strong argument to say that in Kasumu and Anjorin we have players who can potentially drive the ball forwards so we can replace what he did on the pitch. Whether that happens is another matter. |
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 31, 2022 12:54:52 GMT 1
I’ve a Forest mate (only just these days) who went to their friendly with Valencia yesterday and was raving about O’Brien (also said Toffolo was the weakest link). Toffolo was good for us but he's replaceable . O Brien is one of the best midfielders I've seen wear a town shirt and replacing him is different matter altogether O'Brien quality at battling and winning the ball, breaking up play and unreal at driving the ball and team forward. He's a big negative however, his final 3rd decision making/passing. If he works on that and betters it, he won't be at Forest for long |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 31, 2022 13:02:19 GMT 1
What were Hoyle's remarks? I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. Just to be clear, I was saying 'Hoyle bashing' as in the bashing Hoyle himself gets. I don't think it was far off the mark, I just don't see the benefit of saying such, which will be twisted, misconstrued etc. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 13:04:22 GMT 1
What were Hoyle's remarks? I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. What did he gain from saying that, bar trying to justify letting him go for so cheap.? Fair enough some of that maybe PH s fault if the reported fee was met forcing him to go. But the impression is it wasn’t so DH needs to justify. Personally think we’ve let a REALLY good one go on the cheap here so justifying it by belittling his weak points was a poor do. |
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Post by ldr on Jul 31, 2022 13:07:40 GMT 1
If O’Brien weighed in with loads of assists and goals, he’d be a £100 million player for City or Liverpool.
He is what he is; a fantastic, battling midfielder with an unbelievable engine. I imagine he is a dream in the dressing room too.
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Post by ldr on Jul 31, 2022 13:09:59 GMT 1
I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. Just to be clear, I was saying 'Hoyle bashing' as in the bashing Hoyle himself gets. I don't think it was far off the mark, I just don't see the benefit of saying such, which will be twisted, misconstrued etc. Yeah, I agree that it could be misconstrued as a cheap shop maybe to get everyone to look away at the cheap sale transfer fee! |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 13:10:46 GMT 1
If O’Brien weighed in with loads of assists and goals, he’d be a £100 million player for City or Liverpool. He is what he is; a fantastic, battling midfielder with an unbelievable engine. I imagine he is a dream in the dressing room too. The lad improved year on year , he was head and shoulders above midfielders in the championship if he keeps improving he will be the biggest mistake town has made ever letting him go for 10 million ish . |
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Post by horler1 on Jul 31, 2022 13:14:51 GMT 1
If O’Brien weighed in with loads of assists and goals, he’d be a £100 million player for City or Liverpool. He is what he is; a fantastic, battling midfielder with an unbelievable engine. I imagine he is a dream in the dressing room too. The lad improved year on year , he was head and shoulders above midfielders in the championship if he keeps improving he will be the biggest mistake town has made ever letting him go for 10 million ish . Hope we have a sell on clause |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 13:16:54 GMT 1
The lad improved year on year , he was head and shoulders above midfielders in the championship if he keeps improving he will be the biggest mistake town has made ever letting him go for 10 million ish . Hope we have a sell on clause Me too a bloody big percentage sell on . |
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Post by Hank Hill on Jul 31, 2022 13:17:59 GMT 1
Toffolo was good for us but he's replaceable . O Brien is one of the best midfielders I've seen wear a town shirt and replacing him is different matter altogether Sadly, he’s not replaceable by Ruffels judging on the (admittedly limited) evidence so far! Hopefully that's where Nakayama steps in, let's wait and see... |
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