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Post by Wingman on Jul 31, 2022 13:35:40 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read too much into it, Hoyle has often done it to players after they’ve left. It’s a bit of PR to get people to take the current situation a bit better. Fair enough if said ex-player acted like a bell end (Jacob Butterfield, for example). To stick the brogue in on someone like O'Brien just makes Hoyle look small and petty. It’s probably PR as stated but coming from a CEO, it just looks a little silly and he has previous for it. Sometimes these comments are best left unsaid as it can leave a sour taste for some. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 31, 2022 13:56:38 GMT 1
If O’Brien weighed in with loads of assists and goals, he’d be a £100 million player for City or Liverpool. He is what he is; a fantastic, battling midfielder with an unbelievable engine. I imagine he is a dream in the dressing room too. The lad improved year on year , he was head and shoulders above midfielders in the championship if he keeps improving he will be the biggest mistake town has made ever letting him go for 10 million ish . I’m sure town have made far bigger mistakes than selling someone for £10m. He clearly deserved a move to the PL and the release clause was the only way we were going to get him to sign a new contract. We’ll have a good sell on clause and extra money if Forest stay up. Might look a long way away now but him going also frees up someone else from the academy to make his mark and earn another big transfer fee. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 31, 2022 14:01:39 GMT 1
I think the Hoyle bashing is going too far, but even in the good times he'd make me cringe a bit with what he said. I sort of get the point he was making, but there was zero benefit in saying it. LOB might not have got many goals and direct assists, but I bet if we look back loads of our goals were following his pressing or one of his surges. My god, his dynamism was so sorely missed in that midfield. Until Tino came on. He reminded me of Obrien in that game in the way a few times he got the ball in the middle, turned and burst through their lines with it. maybe thats going to be his role this season? Doubt he has Obriens engine, but probably has more body strength and pace... and hopefully more end product too. True, but judging by Friday we’re going to really miss O’Brien’s defensive work. Russell needs legs in next to him, along with Hogg Burnley were by-passing our midfield far too easily. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 31, 2022 14:51:56 GMT 1
I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. What did he gain from saying that, bar trying to justify letting him go for so cheap.? Fair enough some of that maybe PH s fault if the reported fee was met forcing him to go. But the impression is it wasn’t so DH needs to justify. Personally think we’ve let a REALLY good one go on the cheap here so justifying it by belittling his weak points was a poor do. We sold him for what he's worth. If it was this bargain low price people imagine £8m to be then other clubs would have come in and payed more.. plenty will have been watching him closely for couple of years now... but nobody did. He's only worth what someone will pay. Think Hoyle's reasons for saying what he did ( which seem just a pretty accurate assessment of Obrien as a player to me ) was to try and help those who seem so distraught at him leaving understand it isn't the end of the world! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 31, 2022 14:58:09 GMT 1
Until Tino came on. He reminded me of Obrien in that game in the way a few times he got the ball in the middle, turned and burst through their lines with it. maybe thats going to be his role this season? Doubt he has Obriens engine, but probably has more body strength and pace... and hopefully more end product too. True, but judging by Friday we’re going to really miss O’Brien’s defensive work. Russell needs legs in next to him, along with Hogg Burnley were by-passing our midfield far too easily.They were indeed, though I think a big part in that was that 3 of our midfield 5, namely Holmes, Thomas and Koroma, might as well not bothered turning up, such was their impact on the game. Hogg and Russell arent the quickest but they were left woefully exposed because the other 3 totally disappeared IMO. |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jul 31, 2022 15:16:58 GMT 1
Sounds like he's enjoying his 'goodbye' drinks with family and friends down in West Vale. He's completely taken over a bar called Craft.
The lad deserves the premier league, I wish him nothing but good luck
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 15:39:10 GMT 1
What did he gain from saying that, bar trying to justify letting him go for so cheap.? Fair enough some of that maybe PH s fault if the reported fee was met forcing him to go. But the impression is it wasn’t so DH needs to justify. Personally think we’ve let a REALLY good one go on the cheap here so justifying it by belittling his weak points was a poor do. We sold him for what he's worth. If it was this bargain low price people imagine £8m to be then other clubs would have come in and payed more.. plenty will have been watching him closely for couple of years now... but nobody did. He's only worth what someone will pay. Think Hoyle's reasons for saying what he did ( which seem just a pretty accurate assessment of Obrien as a player to me ) was to try and help those who seem so distraught at him leaving understand it isn't the end of the world! yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jul 31, 2022 15:59:20 GMT 1
We’ll have a good sell on clause and extra money if Forest stay up. Are those facts or opinions? ....personally I'm happy to kiss the latter goodbye. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 31, 2022 16:17:43 GMT 1
We sold him for what he's worth. If it was this bargain low price people imagine £8m to be then other clubs would have come in and payed more.. plenty will have been watching him closely for couple of years now... but nobody did. He's only worth what someone will pay. Think Hoyle's reasons for saying what he did ( which seem just a pretty accurate assessment of Obrien as a player to me ) was to try and help those who seem so distraught at him leaving understand it isn't the end of the world! yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. I think you’re wrong, happy to save this post and be proved wrong but he simply does not create enough to play for a top Prem side. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 31, 2022 16:36:29 GMT 1
yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. I think you’re wrong, happy to save this post and be proved wrong but he simply does not create enough to play for a top Prem side. Good thread and happy for this to be brought back right or wrong . |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 31, 2022 17:01:11 GMT 1
Admittedly the game has probably moved on but Nicky Butt carved out a career at a pretty high level without exactly being the most prolific midfielder. I think he’d be a good comparison playing style wise to Lewis.
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 31, 2022 17:09:32 GMT 1
Admittedly the game has probably moved on but Nicky Butt carved out a career at a pretty high level without exactly being the most prolific midfielder. I think he’d be a good comparison playing style wise to Lewis. Vastly underrated player was Nicky Butt. Great footballer! |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Jul 31, 2022 17:14:03 GMT 1
Admittedly the game has probably moved on but Nicky Butt carved out a career at a pretty high level without exactly being the most prolific midfielder. I think he’d be a good comparison playing style wise to Lewis. Vastly underrated player was Nicky Butt. Great footballer! Six Premier League titles Three FA Cups Champions League Winner "Best player at the 2002 World Cup" (Pele) But he's no Lewis O'Brien |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 31, 2022 23:32:56 GMT 1
We sold him for what he's worth. If it was this bargain low price people imagine £8m to be then other clubs would have come in and payed more.. plenty will have been watching him closely for couple of years now... but nobody did. He's only worth what someone will pay. Think Hoyle's reasons for saying what he did ( which seem just a pretty accurate assessment of Obrien as a player to me ) was to try and help those who seem so distraught at him leaving understand it isn't the end of the world! yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. His release clause was £10m. We sold therefore sold him for he’s worth. Why would anyone pay more? |
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Post by ram on Aug 1, 2022 10:31:23 GMT 1
Could have been a higher release clause? Brighton just stuck a £60 million one on their fullback
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 1, 2022 10:49:29 GMT 1
We sold him for what he's worth. If it was this bargain low price people imagine £8m to be then other clubs would have come in and payed more.. plenty will have been watching him closely for couple of years now... but nobody did. He's only worth what someone will pay. Think Hoyle's reasons for saying what he did ( which seem just a pretty accurate assessment of Obrien as a player to me ) was to try and help those who seem so distraught at him leaving understand it isn't the end of the world! yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. |
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Post by capitalterrier on Aug 1, 2022 10:50:57 GMT 1
What did hoyle say about him?
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 1, 2022 10:53:33 GMT 1
yeah Plenty of end of the world comments on here ( not) just pointing out the poor sale of one of the best midfielders to play at town in the last 30 years and unnecessary comments about him from our owner. We will see in time how much O’Brien is worth and it will be far more than 7 to 10 million feel free to bring this back up in years to come , but I very much doubt you will. He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. |
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 1, 2022 10:54:24 GMT 1
What did hoyle say about him? If it is what I've seen posted it was basically that he doesn't create enough and isn't the best in the final 3rd. Sour grapes and unnecessary |
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Post by btwoowah on Aug 1, 2022 11:00:54 GMT 1
Could have been a higher release clause? Brighton just stuck a £60 million one on their fullback You realise the player has to agree to any release clause figure? Like with Mooy, the new contract was a compromise for all parties in order to avoid Lewis leaving for free the following year… |
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Post by btwoowah on Aug 1, 2022 11:01:39 GMT 1
He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. See my post above. Both parties have to agree to fee. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 1, 2022 11:04:54 GMT 1
He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. And the only team willing to pay anywhere near that was Forest. |
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Post by ram on Aug 1, 2022 11:05:21 GMT 1
That is why I included a ? read it again btwoowah
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Post by btwoowah on Aug 1, 2022 11:08:20 GMT 1
That is why I included a ? read it again twoowhah I could say the same about my post. Apologies if it came across as an attack, but there was a good faith question in there… |
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 1, 2022 11:23:04 GMT 1
It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. See my post above. Both parties have to agree to fee. I appreciate that but you can't argue that with the other fees around the valuation was low, the agents will always push to keep that release clause as low as possible. |
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 1, 2022 11:24:52 GMT 1
It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. And the only team willing to pay anywhere near that was Forest. Not necessarily, there are still weeks left of the window. We've all seen how teams panic, a few defeats at the start of the season and the fees go through the roof. It's not like the timing was relevant to town anyway seeing as though we're not reinvesting any of the money and the replacements were already bought knowing full well the pair of them were off. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 1, 2022 12:35:17 GMT 1
He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. A release clause doesnt stop anyone else offering it. If he was worth £15m then there'd have been a host of clubs jumping at the chance to sign a £15m player for £10m you would think, especially when he'd ben linked to various clubs over the past year or so. I like Obrien, but I think £8m to £10m is a good price for him. Hes good at what he's good at,, but there are parts of his game that will need big improvements yet. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 1, 2022 12:45:42 GMT 1
He might well be worth more in time, especially if he cuts it in the PL, but that doesnt alter that he is worth NOW what anyone is prepared to pay NOW.. and thats what we sold him for! This 'he's worth £15m' thing is nonsense... who's he worth £15m to? Who valued him at that? Who was willing to pay that? No one. Hopefully he will go on to be worth more as I presume we'll have the standard sell on clauses and might make a few more million from him yet. It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. Town obviously valued him higher than that, however 10m was a compromise made with him and his agent so that he would sign a new contract. Pretty obvious I would think but people keep not understanding that point. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 1, 2022 12:47:49 GMT 1
It was Town who valued him at £10m hence the release clause, I am going to refrain from slagging Hoyle on this one as I imagine it was a Bromby and PH decision but whoever it was it was bloody low. Look at the fees flying round for worse players. A release clause doesnt stop anyone else offering it. If he was worth £15m then there'd have been a host of clubs jumping at the chance to sign a £15m player for £10m you would think, especially when he'd ben linked to various clubs over the past year or so. I like Obrien, but I think £8m to £10m is a good price for him. Hes good at what he's good at,, but there are parts of his game that will need big improvements yet. agreed, I suspect he will develop into a much better player under better coaches with better players around him. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 1, 2022 13:33:48 GMT 1
Leigh Bromby seems to have the skills to re investing the mentioned £10 million transfer money to make the squad even stronger than last season but that can only be decided by chairman
The recent transfers seems be part of the clubs ongoing policy of buying cheap ,develop and then sell on at a profit
The high early season card sale says the fans have high expectation levels this season and lets hope the chairman and the players do their best to give those fans what they have paid for.
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