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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 1, 2022 13:41:16 GMT 1
Leigh Bromby seems to have the skills to re investing the mentioned £10 million transfer money to make the squad even stronger than last season but that can only be decided by chairman The recent transfers seems be part of the clubs ongoing policy of buying cheap ,develop and then sell on at a profit The high early season card sale says the fans have high expectation levels this season and lets hope the chairman and the players do their best to give those fans what they have paid for. What have season ticket holders 'paid for'? The ability to watch 23 league games at a discounted price, or something else? |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Aug 1, 2022 14:23:45 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird.
It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy…
Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies.
Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me.
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 1, 2022 14:47:09 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird. It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy… Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies. Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me.  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 1, 2022 15:17:47 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird. It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy… Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies. Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me. Agree about Phil and Carlos. My only criticism of Carlos is him leaving and not showing the same faith in the club that the club showed in him. Not sure what our 'current problems' are though that need acknowledging after one game. Having seen Tino, Yuta and Rudoni in that second half Im reasonably hopeful we wont miss Obrien and Toffolo that much. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 1, 2022 15:46:35 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird. It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy… Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies. Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me. Agree about Phil and Carlos. My only criticism of Carlos is him leaving and not showing the same faith in the club that the club showed in him. Not sure what our 'current problems' are though that need acknowledging after one game. Having seen Tino, Yuta and Rudoni in that second half Im reasonably hopeful we wont miss Obrien and Toffolo that much. Our current "problems" are that we didnt win or play well against a decent side and there are too many folk who seem to think that we should be winning every game after last season and it must therefore be the fault if not spending £Ms on new players and a head coach weve never heard off. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 16:38:22 GMT 1
Agree about Phil and Carlos. My only criticism of Carlos is him leaving and not showing the same faith in the club that the club showed in him. Not sure what our 'current problems' are though that need acknowledging after one game. Having seen Tino, Yuta and Rudoni in that second half Im reasonably hopeful we wont miss Obrien and Toffolo that much. Our current "problems" are that we didnt win or play well against a decent side and there are too many folk who seem to think that we should be winning every game after last season and it must therefore be the fault if not spending £Ms on new players and a head coach weve never heard off. It was worse last year to be fair, the amount of folk desperate to doom monger around the team they ‘support’ baffles me. Its just not in me to actively promote the negatives, what’s the point? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 1, 2022 17:35:40 GMT 1
Our current "problems" are that we didnt win or play well against a decent side and there are too many folk who seem to think that we should be winning every game after last season and it must therefore be the fault if not spending £Ms on new players and a head coach weve never heard off. It was worse last year to be fair, the amount of folk desperate to doom monger around the team they ‘support’ baffles me. Its just not in me to actively promote the negatives, what’s the point? Since moving away from Huddersfield, I've noticed the ingrained negativity much more. Even walking out of the ground after a good win you can hear negative comments like " so and so will.have to play better next week he got lucky tonight" and outtingvit down to poor opposition rather than a good performance etc. Truly baffling. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 18:26:17 GMT 1
It was worse last year to be fair, the amount of folk desperate to doom monger around the team they ‘support’ baffles me. Its just not in me to actively promote the negatives, what’s the point? Since moving away from Huddersfield, I've noticed the ingrained negativity much more. Even walking out of the ground after a good win you can hear negative comments like " so and so will.have to play better next week he got lucky tonight" and outtingvit down to poor opposition rather than a good performance etc. Truly baffling. I agree, the people of this area (I was born here and been here pretty much all my life) delight in griping and moaning, they absolutely love it. It’s pretty much an art form, but I can’t see how it’s helpful in the support of a football club. Must be something in the water? |
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Post by rockwall on Aug 1, 2022 19:42:00 GMT 1
Since moving away from Huddersfield, I've noticed the ingrained negativity much more. Even walking out of the ground after a good win you can hear negative comments like " so and so will.have to play better next week he got lucky tonight" and outtingvit down to poor opposition rather than a good performance etc. Truly baffling. I agree, the people of this area (I was born here and been here pretty much all my life) delight in griping and moaning, they absolutely love it. It’s pretty much an art form, but I can’t see how it’s helpful in the support of a football club. Must be something in the water? Bloody Yorkshire folk love a moan. |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 1, 2022 19:48:41 GMT 1
I wouldn't saying they were bashing LOB. The sum of it was that he will be a missed but his touch in the final third and shooting isn't the best, which is fair enough for me. What did he gain from saying that, bar trying to justify letting him go for so cheap.? Fair enough some of that maybe PH s fault if the reported fee was met forcing him to go. But the impression is it wasn’t so DH needs to justify. Personally think we’ve let a REALLY good one go on the cheap here so justifying it by belittling his weak points was a poor do. I get that completely and agree he is a massive loss. I think you have to take his response in the context of the question asked and he was just trying to say "hey look, we've got these two guys (Kasumu and Rudoni) in now and hopefully they can combine to replace him". His main point was that we haven't removed a load of assists and goals out the team. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 20:01:36 GMT 1
Since moving away from Huddersfield, I've noticed the ingrained negativity much more. Even walking out of the ground after a good win you can hear negative comments like " so and so will.have to play better next week he got lucky tonight" and outtingvit down to poor opposition rather than a good performance etc. Truly baffling. I agree, the people of this area (I was born here and been here pretty much all my life) delight in griping and moaning, they absolutely love it. It’s pretty much an art form, but I can’t see how it’s helpful in the support of a football club. Must be something in the water? I don’t think it was as bad prior to Rubery. I started watching in the mid 90s and the level of support always gave me a buzz. Even when we were a couple of goals down the crowd would lift the team. We seem to have lost that. There seems to be a feeling that it is no longer part of our remit as a crowd to contribute when things aren’t going well. I don’t know if that is just Town or more general in football. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 20:08:18 GMT 1
What did he gain from saying that, bar trying to justify letting him go for so cheap.? Fair enough some of that maybe PH s fault if the reported fee was met forcing him to go. But the impression is it wasn’t so DH needs to justify. Personally think we’ve let a REALLY good one go on the cheap here so justifying it by belittling his weak points was a poor do. I get that completely and agree he is a massive loss. I think you have to take his response in the context of the question asked and he was just trying to say "hey look, we've got these two guys (Kasumu and Rudoni) in now and hopefully they can combine to replace him". His main point was that we haven't removed a load of assists and goals out the team. Two players to replace the contribution of one player surely weakens the team though, however Hoyle wants to spin it. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 21:54:27 GMT 1
I get that completely and agree he is a massive loss. I think you have to take his response in the context of the question asked and he was just trying to say "hey look, we've got these two guys (Kasumu and Rudoni) in now and hopefully they can combine to replace him". His main point was that we haven't removed a load of assists and goals out the team. Two players to replace the contribution of one player surely weakens the team though, however Hoyle wants to spin it. What? |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 22:11:34 GMT 1
Two players to replace the contribution of one player surely weakens the team though, however Hoyle wants to spin it. What? I could say the same. Two players doing the job of one player, according to The Messiah. What are you struggling with? |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 22:17:22 GMT 1
I could say the same. Two players doing the job of one player, according to The Messiah. What are you struggling with? How does signing two players for one position “clearly weaken the team” Have I entered another dimension? |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 22:26:56 GMT 1
I could say the same. Two players doing the job of one player, according to The Messiah. What are you struggling with? How does signing two players for one position “clearly weaken the team” Have I entered another dimension? Because they can't play at the same fucking time! Jesus fucking Christ |
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 1, 2022 22:31:14 GMT 1
I agree, the people of this area (I was born here and been here pretty much all my life) delight in griping and moaning, they absolutely love it. It’s pretty much an art form, but I can’t see how it’s helpful in the support of a football club. Must be something in the water? Bloody Yorkshire folk love a moan. That's part and parcel of being a Yorkshire person. I see what i like and i like what i say, sophistication, sophistication don't talk to me about sophistication i've been to leeds. |
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Post by ldr on Aug 1, 2022 22:38:09 GMT 1
Bloody Yorkshire folk love a moan. That's part and parcel of being a Yorkshire person. I see what i like and i like what i say, sophistication, sophistication don't talk to me about sophistication i've been to leeds. I only moan when I’m making love. Haven’t moaned in ages. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 22:44:12 GMT 1
How does signing two players for one position “clearly weaken the team” Have I entered another dimension? Because they can't play at the same fucking time! Jesus fucking Christ Interesting logic. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 22:48:13 GMT 1
Because they can't play at the same fucking time! Jesus fucking Christ Interesting logic. Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 1, 2022 22:50:12 GMT 1
Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. My logic is that you sell a player (who wanted to go and had it agreed in his contract that he could go at a certain price), and you replace him with two good prospects that you hope will replace him. You essentially spread the risk by getting two potential replacements? We clearly see things very differently. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 22:51:48 GMT 1
Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. My logic is that you sell a player (who wanted to go and had it agreed in his contract that he could go at a certain price), and you replace him with two good prospects that you hope will replace him. You essentially spread the risk by getting two potential replacements? We clearly see things very differently. We do. Let's shake hands and move on. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 1, 2022 23:19:02 GMT 1
How does signing two players for one position “clearly weaken the team” Have I entered another dimension? Because they can't play at the same fucking time! Jesus fucking Christ Along with 9 others? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 1, 2022 23:22:54 GMT 1
Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. Also, you dont necessarily try to replace a £10m OBrien with an identical player for under £1 cos clearly he isnt necessarily going to be just as good at the same things. You replace him by ringing in players that allow us to play in a slightly different way. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 1, 2022 23:49:04 GMT 1
Because they can't play at the same fucking time! Jesus fucking Christ Along with 9 others? Cool story bro |
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 2, 2022 10:30:34 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird. It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy… Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies. Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me. Spot on… Carlos recognised its progress or your out (which isn’t aligned to Hoyle mid table aspirations)! The writing was on the wall when OBrien & Toff were left out of team photos and CC loan targets were dismissed, as being unaffordable. Standby for Nichols signing a pre contract in January, really disappointing that yet again we have failed to build on the momentum we had gained. |
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Post by leroy212 on Aug 2, 2022 10:37:50 GMT 1
This revisionist history of blaming all our woes on Phil & Carlos is just weird. It’s like the Tory leadership candidates saying all the country’s problems aren’t the fault of ex-cabinet ministers who voted for every tax rise, every public service cut, every failed policy… Big Phil turned us around in a way that Bradford, Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Sheff Weds etc never could be. Carlos made a well-oiled machine out of junk and spare parts like the A Team used to when locked in a barn surrounded by armed baddies. Why anyone would choose to trash their records rather than acknowledge our current problems is beyond me. Spot on… Carlos recognised its progress or your out (which isn’t aligned to Hoyle mid table aspirations)! The writing was on the wall when OBrien & Toff were left out of team photos and CC loan targets were dismissed, as being unaffordable. Standby for Nichols signing a pre contract in January, really disappointing that yet again we have failed to build on the momentum we had gained. How can Nichols sign a pre contact with anyone in January |
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Aug 2, 2022 10:54:27 GMT 1
Spot on… Carlos recognised its progress or your out (which isn’t aligned to Hoyle mid table aspirations)! The writing was on the wall when OBrien & Toff were left out of team photos and CC loan targets were dismissed, as being unaffordable. Standby for Nichols signing a pre contract in January, really disappointing that yet again we have failed to build on the momentum we had gained. How can Nichols sign a pre contact with anyone in January He can, he just won’t be going until 2026/27 and Carlos won’t be there 🙃 |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 2, 2022 11:00:19 GMT 1
Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. Also, you dont necessarily try to replace a £10m OBrien with an identical player for under £1 cos clearly he isnt necessarily going to be just as good at the same things. You replace him by ringing in players that allow us to play in a slightly different way. DH didn't pitch it like that though, did he. He said it as if LOB's skill set was covered by these two players. I'm generally a perceived 'happy clapper', but I immediately thought it was a pretty daft comment, at least in isolation. |
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Post by hartyhtfc on Aug 2, 2022 11:08:31 GMT 1
Well.. Explain your logic then. Because I'm struggling to understand how playing two fellas to replace the output of one fella doesn't weaken the team as a whole. Also, you dont necessarily try to replace a £10m OBrien with an identical player for under £1 cos clearly he isnt necessarily going to be just as good at the same things. You replace him by ringing in players that allow us to play in a slightly different way. Believe there is a scene in the film Moneyball where pretty much exactly this is explained by Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill |
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