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Post by digs on Jan 5, 2023 11:19:53 GMT 1
I take it there's no chance of getting him and toffolo back here on a short term loan then? Nailed on in about 15 years time |
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Post by harris on Jan 5, 2023 12:11:43 GMT 1
Don’t you find it strange how the word have has changed to of over the last few years? It doesn’t even mean the same thing. Where did it even come from? I reckon it’s because contractions like must’ve/could’ve/should’ve sound like ‘of’ rather than ‘have’ so people think it’s that |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 5, 2023 12:31:27 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too.
He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up.
Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 5, 2023 12:50:54 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too. He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up. Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through. Toffolo seems to have made the step up better of the two. Seen forest a few times on Tv this season and hes looked pretty good. Im surprised hes not had more game time but suppose they have various options. LOB plays in a role thats very demanding technically in the PL .. that sort of box to box midfielder. We had Mooy and Billing in that role when we were there and both are technically way above LOB to me. Im not that surprised hes not making the jump up to be honest. A good Championship player.. very good at times, but Premier quality?? Maybe not.. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 5, 2023 12:59:01 GMT 1
Don’t you find it strange how the word have has changed to of over the last few years? It doesn’t even mean the same thing. Where did it even come from? You have a point, however what I find more strange is that people feel the need to correct others to make them feel better over the incorrect use of a word. If this happened in a pub nobody would bat an eye lid, they’d keep on chatting and having a sup but because it’s on a forum people feel the need to pull others up on it. That what I find more bizarre. I have a young daughter who incorrectly said ‘of’ a couple of times. I always pulled her up on it and made it clear that isn’t the word to use in that instance. I didn’t do that to make myself feel better. I didn’t feel better. I did it to teach my daughter how to speak. Generally, saying of instead of have isn’t some kind of disability or learning issue, it’s just lazy. |
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Post by Orinoco on Jan 5, 2023 13:05:12 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too. He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up. Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through. Toffolo seems to have made the step up better of the two. Seen forest a few times on Tv this season and hes looked pretty good. Im surprised hes not had more game time but suppose they have various options. LOB plays in a role thats very demanding technically in the PL .. that sort of box to box midfielder. We had Mooy and Billing in that role when we were there and both are technically way above LOB to me. Im not that surprised hes not making the jump up to be honest. A good Championship player.. very good at times, but Premier quality?? Maybe not.. Think you have hit the nail on the head there, he's like Tom Ince, very good championship player, below average prem player. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 5, 2023 14:01:58 GMT 1
You have a point, however what I find more strange is that people feel the need to correct others to make them feel better over the incorrect use of a word. If this happened in a pub nobody would bat an eye lid, they’d keep on chatting and having a sup but because it’s on a forum people feel the need to pull others up on it. That what I find more bizarre. I have a young daughter who incorrectly said ‘of’ a couple of times. I always pulled her up on it and made it clear that isn’t the word to use in that instance. I didn’t do that to make myself feel better. I didn’t feel better. I did it to teach my daughter how to speak. Generally, saying of instead of have isn’t some kind of disability or learning issue, it’s just lazy. And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk! Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. |
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Post by benhomly on Jan 5, 2023 14:06:42 GMT 1
I have a young daughter who incorrectly said ‘of’ a couple of times. I always pulled her up on it and made it clear that isn’t the word to use in that instance. I didn’t do that to make myself feel better. I didn’t feel better. I did it to teach my daughter how to speak. Generally, saying of instead of have isn’t some kind of disability or learning issue, it’s just lazy. And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk! Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. If people want to be lazy that's fine. If he wants to pull them up on it that's also fine. I don't think he sounds like a jerk for doing so. |
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 5, 2023 14:24:49 GMT 1
And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk! Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. If people want to be lazy that's fine. If he wants to pull them up on it that's also fine. I don't think he sounds like a jerk for doing so. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to me it comes across as condescending. It’s a forum for speaking about town and football related topics, we aren’t at Eton or mingling with the prawn sandwich brigade. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 5, 2023 14:26:39 GMT 1
If people want to be lazy that's fine. If he wants to pull them up on it that's also fine. I don't think he sounds like a jerk for doing so. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to me it comes across as condescending. It’s a forum for speaking about town and football related topics, we aren’t at Eton or mingling with the prawn sandwich brigade. Always annoyed me too. Someone only gives a fuck about spelling if they’re after some sort of egotistical power trip. |
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Post by Tiro on Jan 5, 2023 14:31:50 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too. He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up. Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through. Toffolo seems to have made the step up better of the two. Seen forest a few times on Tv this season and hes looked pretty good. Im surprised hes not had more game time but suppose they have various options. LOB plays in a role thats very demanding technically in the PL .. that sort of box to box midfielder. We had Mooy and Billing in that role when we were there and both are technically way above LOB to me. Im not that surprised hes not making the jump up to be honest. A good Championship player.. very good at times, but Premier quality?? Maybe not.. I don’t think that’s the reason LOB is no longer pulling up trees (pun intended). I think their scattergun intent to transfers is more plausible: LOB was impressing all and sundry during preseason and at the start of the campaign. Forest fans were raving about him. Honestly, I just don’t think he’s as glamorous or as expensive as other options. I’ve watched a fair bit of Forest this season and I don’t think he’s any worse than what is selected in front of him based on what I’ve seen. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 5, 2023 14:32:10 GMT 1
I have a young daughter who incorrectly said ‘of’ a couple of times. I always pulled her up on it and made it clear that isn’t the word to use in that instance. I didn’t do that to make myself feel better. I didn’t feel better. I did it to teach my daughter how to speak. Generally, saying of instead of have isn’t some kind of disability or learning issue, it’s just lazy. And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk! Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. Couple of points: No I’m not their father or teacher, same as you aren’t a football manager or director yet we both comment on these matters. A typo won’t change have to of. Yes, the English language does evolve, if you see my previous post I’ve acknowledged this and queried why it came in to language. I’ve given my opinion as lazy, you haven’t offered an opinion, just a mild Victor Meldrew moment whilst stating I may be bullying a dyslexic individual, which is bollocks. I’ve never reported anyone ever and have no intention of doing so no matter what the post. Anyway, back to Louis O Brian. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 5, 2023 14:57:52 GMT 1
And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk! Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. Couple of points: No I’m not their father or teacher, same as you aren’t a football manager or director yet we both comment on these matters. A typo won’t change have to of. Yes, the English language does evolve, if you see my previous post I’ve acknowledged this and queried why it came in to language. I’ve given my opinion as lazy, you haven’t offered an opinion, just a mild Victor Meldrew moment whilst stating I may be bullying a dyslexic individual, which is bollocks. I’ve never reported anyone ever and have no intention of doing so no matter what the post. Anyway, back to Louis O Brian. O'Brien 😉 |
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Post by mosher on Jan 5, 2023 15:00:41 GMT 1
Everyone is entitled to their opinion however to me it comes across as condescending. It’s a forum for speaking about town and football related topics, we aren’t at Eton or mingling with the prawn sandwich brigade. Or taking the piss as I tend to do with prepare/positive  |
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Post by mosher on Jan 5, 2023 15:02:07 GMT 1
So annoyed you corrected him twice  Edit: And then the duplication disappears so I look a dick  |
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Post by leytherterrier on Jan 5, 2023 15:05:01 GMT 1
LO’B will become a very good premier league once he gets settled. If he’d had gone to West Ham/Crystal Palace a more settled prem team then I think he starts most weeks but at forest they’ve had to bring in a brand new team and with that comes a lot of tinkering to get a perfect balance.
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Post by detox on Jan 5, 2023 15:13:27 GMT 1
Is LOB's value going up though, will he ever be worth £40m ..will Town ever get a sell on fee to refill the empty cash bag we have ?
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 5, 2023 15:59:49 GMT 1
Couple of points: No I’m not their father or teacher, same as you aren’t a football manager or director yet we both comment on these matters. But this is a forum specifically set-up to discuss football! I doubt if anyone on DownAtTheEnglishLanguagePreservationSociety is correcting someone who makes a minor, non grammatical error about Huddersfield Town?! The answer is, it's been in use for 200+ years. The use of "of" instead of "have" in phrases like "could of" and "should of" is common in spoken English because the word "have" is unstressed when spoken and there is little phonetic difference between the two phrases. Both written and spoken versions of this usage can be found dating back many years - example >> "I was inform’d by a Capt’n of Molitia that about Two Hundred would be Imbodyed by Mondy Nite a plenty of Good Pilets are amongs them—if I could of been join’d by a party of the Molitia which I apply’d for I would of attacted the body that lay in the English Nabourhood, I had not a guid nor could Get non tell the Next day." —Isaac Beall, Letter to Adam Stephen, 20 Apr. 1777 Agreed, except I've never heard of him😘. However Lewis O'Brien (and Toffolo) have both looked more than capable in that Forest team in the games I watched earlier in the season - and actually stood out as two of the BETTER players at times. If anything I think they suffer with just being all round decent players but not particularly excelling at any specialism - difficult to squeeze them in regularly when Freuler, Mangala & Lodi are in there and doing pretty well. |
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Post by benhomly on Jan 5, 2023 16:14:12 GMT 1
Is LOB's value going up though, will he ever be worth £40m ..will Town ever get a sell on fee to refill the empty cash bag we have ? You're probably joking but if he ever becomes a £40m player i'll bare my arse on every Town Hall steps in the country |
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Post by Champers on Jan 5, 2023 17:06:15 GMT 1
So annoyed you corrected him twice Edit: And then the duplication disappears so I look a dick *disappointed 🤭😉 |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 6, 2023 3:14:42 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too. He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up. Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through. Toffolo seems to have made the step up better of the two. Seen forest a few times on Tv this season and hes looked pretty good. Im surprised hes not had more game time but suppose they have various options. LOB plays in a role thats very demanding technically in the PL .. that sort of box to box midfielder. We had Mooy and Billing in that role when we were there and both are technically way above LOB to me. Im not that surprised hes not making the jump up to be honest. A good Championship player.. very good at times, but Premier quality?? Maybe not.. Some good points. I expected him to do ok/stand out just by being consistently decent -- like - when forest have a bad game/result (which they were likely to have many) he'd be forests man of the match But it's probably not the right circumstances for him.. He's not really a good scattergun signing for a team of individuals. If he was to go to a consolidated, well balanced PL team that needs a terrier I could see him making 'PL quality' (Been much worse footballers).. He's got room to improve too. He'll be in the championship next season though. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 6, 2023 7:47:41 GMT 1
Couple of points: No I’m not their father or teacher, same as you aren’t a football manager or director yet we both comment on these matters. But this is a forum specifically set-up to discuss football! I doubt if anyone on DownAtTheEnglishLanguagePreservationSociety is correcting someone who makes a minor, non grammatical error about Huddersfield Town?! The answer is, it's been in use for 200+ years. The use of "of" instead of "have" in phrases like "could of" and "should of" is common in spoken English because the word "have" is unstressed when spoken and there is little phonetic difference between the two phrases. Both written and spoken versions of this usage can be found dating back many years - example >> "I was inform’d by a Capt’n of Molitia that about Two Hundred would be Imbodyed by Mondy Nite a plenty of Good Pilets are amongs them—if I could of been join’d by a party of the Molitia which I apply’d for I would of attacted the body that lay in the English Nabourhood, I had not a guid nor could Get non tell the Next day." —Isaac Beall, Letter to Adam Stephen, 20 Apr. 1777 Agreed, except I've never heard of him😘. However Lewis O'Brien (and Toffolo) have both looked more than capable in that Forest team in the games I watched earlier in the season - and actually stood out as two of the BETTER players at times. If anything I think they suffer with just being all round decent players but not particularly excelling at any specialism - difficult to squeeze them in regularly when Freuler, Mangala & Lodi are in there and doing pretty well. You should never use could of or would of etc. It is lazy and misrepresents the English language even in your examples, it is wrong. If anything you change them to could've and would've. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 6, 2023 8:17:22 GMT 1
The use of ‘of’ in the way we hear it really pisses me off. I’m much less stressed about these things nowadays as well.
One of the worst offenders I know who uses this (also in written form), and other laziness in pronunciation actually works in education. What hope have the kids got if people they’re supposed to learn from can’t speak correctly?
Feel free to call me whatever you wish, but I think this misuse of language makes these people sound a bit thick. I can forgive kids for this, but reasonably mature adults in positions of influence should know better.
Anyway, are we looking for a Liam loan then?
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Post by runner76 on Jan 6, 2023 9:53:28 GMT 1
He's easy to not pick in a massive squad - He's good enough but his reputation is lower than most of their players and his wages are almost certainly lower too. He should probably be looking for a move but suspect he'll see the season out then he'll either be playing for Forest in the Championship or playing for someone else in the Championship if they stay up. Toffolo just isn't good enough. He's a championship footballer through and through. Well, he’s not Championship at the moment, he’s a Premier League player. Just not a very good one… |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jan 6, 2023 10:02:49 GMT 1
I have a young daughter who incorrectly said ‘of’ a couple of times. I always pulled her up on it and made it clear that isn’t the word to use in that instance. I didn’t do that to make myself feel better. I didn’t feel better. I did it to teach my daughter how to speak. Generally, saying of instead of have isn’t some kind of disability or learning issue, it’s just lazy. And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk!Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. Clearly the one using yet another unnecessary fucking ‘Americanism’ when there’s plenty of English options to choose from. |
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Post by space hardware on Jan 6, 2023 10:16:22 GMT 1
And what if people want to be lazy ( your opinion - could easily be a phone incorrectly auto-correcting a mis-swiped word - not always obvious if you're just on a short DATM visit, want to post something quickly and then you're away onto something else, perhaps you're inadvertently bullying a dyslexic, who knows)? You aren't their father or teacher in this instance. It's easily understandable (that you're able to correct it is testament to that), the English language is flexible and develops and changes all the time, especially in non-formal settings like this. The pub analogy above is a good one, if someone is having a productive conversation that you yourself are hardly contributing to, would you chip in with enunciation & pronunciation tips - unlikely 🤷♂️ I write this as someone who was a fully signed up member of the grammar police with an associate membership of the pedantry union 10 years ago - then one day you realise who sounds more like the jerk!Click the report button if something breaks the guidelines, or put yourself up to be an admin if you'd like the standards sharpened up beyond that. Clearly the one using yet another unnecessary fucking ‘Americanism’ when there’s plenty of English options to choose from. Indeed, change one letter and you have the far better and criminally underused 'berk'  |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 6, 2023 10:35:55 GMT 1
The latest one that pisses me off is they've started sticking an 's' on the end of 'anyway'.
So anyways ...
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 6, 2023 10:39:40 GMT 1
'Burglarize', too.
No, it's 'burgle'.
And 'dove' instead of 'dived'.
The list is long tbf, and the thread has been done before.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Jan 8, 2023 12:07:32 GMT 1
O'Brien started in the 4-1 defeat at Blackpool but was subbed on 68 mins. I think Forest will loan him out in Jan but doubt it will be to us, maybe Corboran might want him at WBA ?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 8, 2023 12:10:50 GMT 1
O'Brien started in the 4-1 defeat at Blackpool but was subbed on 68 mins. I think Forest will loan him out in Jan but doubt it will be to us, maybe Corboran might want him at WBA ? Both Blackpools first 2 goals were down to poor defending from LOB. Had a bit of a mare by all accounts. |
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