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Post by crux on Dec 23, 2021 22:38:48 GMT 1
If more than one PL club wants to sign him, his signing on fee will run into millions. Then his wages on a 4 year contract on top of that. His signing on fee won’t run into anywhere near millions! If more than one club wants to sign him and the fee is fixed, then the signing on fee and/or 'loyalty bonus' is where the differences will be. This could easily be at least £2M. Unless he signed for Newcastle where the budget might not matter, his wages in the PL would probably be similar for similar level of PL clubs. |
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Post by canuckterrier on Dec 23, 2021 22:59:15 GMT 1
I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. I’d say Blackburn are one of 4 - 6 teams in the division who are much better than us. Bournemouth, Cov, Fulham, QPR? WBA? are the others Middlesborough, Stoke and Sheff Utd, just to mention 3, will all finish above us. I'm sure there will be a couple of others as well. I have us 13th, which is much higher than I thought before the season started. If I'm correct, year on year, that will still be progress. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 23, 2021 23:56:16 GMT 1
The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. A promise of future earnings isn’t an overnight reality though. I understand it would be in the fullness of time, but not paid by the time he woke the following morning! |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 24, 2021 0:27:33 GMT 1
Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. A promise of future earnings isn’t an overnight reality though. I understand it would be in the fullness of time, but not paid by the time he woke the following morning! Just playing devils advocate, I have a feeling the OP meant it as a figure of speech  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 12:39:55 GMT 1
The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. You could spend a big slice damn quick & never be anywhere near a millionaire. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 24, 2021 17:44:54 GMT 1
Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. You could spend a big slice damn quick & never be anywhere near a millionaire. ahhh, but you could get a mortgage against that contract and buy a multi million pound house.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 19:01:21 GMT 1
You could spend a big slice damn quick & never be anywhere near a millionaire. ahhh, but you could get a mortgage against that contract and buy a multi million pound house.. A house on which you owe a mortgage does not contribute to being a millionaire, actually the interest charges reduce it. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 24, 2021 23:55:01 GMT 1
Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. A promise of future earnings isn’t an overnight reality though. I understand it would be in the fullness of time, but not paid by the time he woke the following morning! It's a figure of speech. Suffice to say hed Wake up with a contract which promised to pay him £Ms more by the end of his career than his current one. Which is guaranteed. How he chooses to spend it is not really the point is it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 0:19:03 GMT 1
A promise of future earnings isn’t an overnight reality though. I understand it would be in the fullness of time, but not paid by the time he woke the following morning! It's a figure of speech. Suffice to say hed Wake up with a contract which promised to pay him £Ms more by the end of his career than his current one. Which is guaranteed. How he chooses to spend it is not really the point is it. Correct, how he spends it is irrelevant, but whether he spends it is highly relevant as you are not a millionaire on the basis of what you spend or earn - only what you have. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 25, 2021 0:32:59 GMT 1
A promise of future earnings isn’t an overnight reality though. I understand it would be in the fullness of time, but not paid by the time he woke the following morning! It's a figure of speech. Suffice to say hed Wake up with a contract which promised to pay him £Ms more by the end of his career than his current one. Which is guaranteed. How he chooses to spend it is not really the point is it. If it’s ‘a figure of speech’, which I’m not sure it is or was intended as such, it was wrong. Anyway, who’s made a point of how he chooses to spend it? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 25, 2021 0:37:33 GMT 1
It's a figure of speech. Suffice to say hed Wake up with a contract which promised to pay him £Ms more by the end of his career than his current one. Which is guaranteed. How he chooses to spend it is not really the point is it. Correct, how he spends it is irrelevant, but whether he spends it is highly relevant as you are not a millionaire on the basis of what you spend or earn - only what you have. And what he would have is whopping signing on fee and a piece of paper promising to pay him millions. Which is more than he has now. He may save it or he may waste it.But he will get it. It's a figure of speech. We all (well all but 1) knew what was meant. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 25, 2021 0:39:20 GMT 1
It's a figure of speech. Suffice to say hed Wake up with a contract which promised to pay him £Ms more by the end of his career than his current one. Which is guaranteed. How he chooses to spend it is not really the point is it. If it’s ‘a figure of speech’, which I’m not sure it is or was intended as such, it was wrong. Anyway, who’s made a point of how he chooses to spend it? The point was made (rightly) that if he spent it as he earnt it he would actually become a millionaire. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 0:48:24 GMT 1
If it’s ‘a figure of speech’, which I’m not sure it is or was intended as such, it was wrong. Anyway, who’s made a point of how he chooses to spend it? The point was made (rightly) that if he spent it as he earnt it he would actually NOT become a millionaire. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 25, 2021 1:46:52 GMT 1
If it’s ‘a figure of speech’, which I’m not sure it is or was intended as such, it was wrong. Anyway, who’s made a point of how he chooses to spend it? The point was made (rightly) that if he spent it as he earnt it he would actually become a millionaire. That wasn’t the point at all but hey it’s Christmas! Let’s all forget about it and be merry! Here’s to 3 points tomorrow. |
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Post by H7 on Dec 26, 2021 21:08:18 GMT 1
I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. I’d say Blackburn are one of 4 - 6 teams in the division who are much better than us. Bournemouth, Cov, Fulham, QPR? WBA? are the others So the teams much better than us are the top 2 on premier league budgets, 2 teams that we have beaten and 2 teams that are below us in the table..? Fair enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2021 22:27:31 GMT 1
The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. My point exactly Keith |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 27, 2021 20:31:04 GMT 1
I’d say Blackburn are one of 4 - 6 teams in the division who are much better than us. Bournemouth, Cov, Fulham, QPR? WBA? are the others So the teams much better than us are the top 2 on premier league budgets, 2 teams that we have beaten and 2 teams that are below us in the table..? Fair enough. Only below us (probably) because they now have games in hand. But likely to be to our advantage that we have played ours when we did loner term. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 29, 2021 22:59:18 GMT 1
I wasn't impressed with LoB in the Blackpool game, his passing was pretty shocking, not for the first time.
I can't see him going next month, he needs more development with us. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 29, 2021 23:47:38 GMT 1
I wasn't impressed with LoB in the Blackpool game, his passing was pretty shocking, not for the first time.
I can't see him going next month, he needs more development with us. Yeah, that 92% pass completion was shocking. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2021 1:18:14 GMT 1
I’d say Blackburn are one of 4 - 6 teams in the division who are much better than us. Bournemouth, Cov, Fulham, QPR? WBA? are the others So the teams much better than us are the top 2 on premier league budgets, 2 teams that we have beaten and 2 teams that are below us in the table..? Fair enough. I could have added Boro, Stoke, Forest, Sheff U, Swansea and Luton…all of whom I believe will finish above us. |
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Post by H7 on Dec 30, 2021 14:31:30 GMT 1
So the teams much better than us are the top 2 on premier league budgets, 2 teams that we have beaten and 2 teams that are below us in the table..? Fair enough. I could have added Boro, Stoke, Forest, Sheff U, Swansea and Luton…all of whom I believe will finish above us. Fair enough. Most are decent teams on their day but wouldn't describe any of them as 'much better' than us other than Fulham & Bournemouth. The table doesn't lie after half of a season and we are in 6th (may not be after games in hand) but we are well in the mix of playoff chasers as it stands. Swansea & Luton are strange shouts, what have they shown over half a season other than being well below us in the table to support being much better than us? |
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Post by impact on Dec 30, 2021 15:45:23 GMT 1
I wasn't impressed with LoB in the Blackpool game, his passing was pretty shocking, not for the first time.
I can't see him going next month, he needs more development with us. This has been solely written to put other clubs off...right? |
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Post by htfc1984 on Dec 30, 2021 15:57:49 GMT 1
You could spend a big slice damn quick & never be anywhere near a millionaire. ahhh, but you could get a mortgage against that contract and buy a multi million pound house.. You say that but it isn't as easy as it sounds. My mate is a mortgage advisor and he has dealt with a ex town player. After he left us and got his new club he was refused a mortgage. Said players missus got the right hump Saying he is on £xxxx a week how can you reject him? The banks simple answer was... The next game he gets a career ending injury... After his 3 year contract who then covers his £xxxx a month payments? He's actually dealt with a few celebs sports persons and similar kind of problems. Today you're famous, tomorrow you're not kind of thing. So they need huge deposits. Obviously some it isn't a problem. Some it is regardless of celeb status not many seem to have hard cash sat doing nothing. I know the player and the amounts involved but won't divulge on here. |
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Post by buckers on Jan 1, 2022 17:40:27 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 1, 2022 18:33:06 GMT 1
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Post by Orinoco on Jan 1, 2022 18:47:10 GMT 1
All speculation!!
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 1, 2022 21:39:28 GMT 1
6th in the league. Bollocks to any money coming in, we need to keep our best players! |
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Post by waggers on Jan 1, 2022 22:11:36 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I rate the lad but if offered 15m I'd likely sell. With the right recruitment you could improve the side significantly with that cash. That is only if we had assurances that the majority of that money would be used to improve the squad and not going straight to pay off Hoyle (I'm not trying to start the old Hoyle argument again, just staying). |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 1, 2022 22:38:12 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I rate the lad but if offered 15m I'd likely sell. With the right recruitment you could improve the side significantly with that cash. That is only if we had assurances that the majority of that money would be used to improve the squad and not going straight to pay off Hoyle (I'm not trying to start the old Hoyle argument again, just staying). What on this planet makes you think we would invest any of that? Its pure madness. We have a team of free transfers and cheap signings. We will never replace O Brien with 10, 15 or 20 million and we are 6th. We should be keeping our best players. |
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Post by shawsie on Jan 2, 2022 1:02:48 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I rate the lad but if offered 15m I'd likely sell. With the right recruitment you could improve the side significantly with that cash. That is only if we had assurances that the majority of that money would be used to improve the squad and not going straight to pay off Hoyle (I'm not trying to start the old Hoyle argument again, just staying). Why would you sell him? He's the heartbeat of the team and unless we get an offer we or indeed he cant refuse then i for once am with big ern. We want to be adding to what we have in what in my opinion is a mediocre league this year again. Staying free of injuries and adding a touch of additional quality and top 6 is surprisingly achievable imho.....unlikely but as ever we need to aspire to be the best we can be. |
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