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Post by sabailand on Apr 12, 2021 23:29:04 GMT 1
Swansea, cardiff, Brentford, all teams who the defeatists and monkeys said would give us a beating, it didnt happen, i predict a draw. Swansea gave been hit and miss all season. Didn't Wednesday beat Bournemouth away? They actually did the double mover them, 1-0 at home and i think 2-1 away.
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 12, 2021 23:50:58 GMT 1
I dont think i ever decided he wasnt shit. he went through a spell of actually looking interested early this season and became a player worth picking in the team, but for the last couple of months seems to have gone back to the disinterested waste of space he was. His entire contribution seems to be collecting the ball out on the touchline and ( without even considering using his alleged pace to beat the full back) just passing it backwards. That and taking a very good free kick. Hes the walking ( literally ) embodiment of why our premier league dream turned to crap. We had our pants royally pulled down to buy him. Gave us bugger all back. Lousy uninterested attitude. I have a lot of sympathy with that view, but to be devil's advocate, he is not without some merit. And I am ignoring his transfer fee, which is utterly irrelevant now. He is not a player who will create something out of nothing or beat a man, but I think he's a good addition to the team when we are playing fast flowing football. Hence why he looked good before Christmas and now he doesn't, given we are playing turgid football in the opponent's half. His defensive tracking back is also better than expected, for somebody who is allegedly totally disinterested. Having said all that, I won't be sad to see him go in the summer, until that is, we get a free kick 25 yards out. Just like I miss Mounié's cameos of last season. He'll probably end up back in Ligue League 1 next season.Us too
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Post by 28901 on Apr 13, 2021 0:03:33 GMT 1
Swansea gave been hit and miss all season. Didn't Wednesday beat Bournemouth away? They actually did the double mover them, 1-0 at home and i think 2-1 away. Well there you go.
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Post by specialun on Apr 13, 2021 0:35:32 GMT 1
Crikey you negative lot were playing Bournemouth not Barcelona
Phillip Billing who a lot on here don’t rate - I think it was because he didn’t run like he wanted to charge into a brick wall / has long legs - will be playing.
We’ve done ok amidst our terrible run / marathon as it probably against the better footballing sides at home.
I know they scraped a 5-0 away but that was one of the games Carlos decided he couldn’t be arsed with so not a fair judgment and hopefully makes them complacent
Add in the ridiculous long mid week journey
We just have to look like they want to play for the manager & were better off than the last 2 games
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Post by dezzly on Apr 13, 2021 7:40:32 GMT 1
Could be a long evening as Bournemouth in good form.They aren’t great away from home in general though. Not sure on the team as impossible to predict but I’ll go for Schofield REG keogh Sarr Pipa Hogg Vallejo Holmes Campbell O brien Sanogo
Match them up 4/2/3/1.Obviously If pipa and/or Vallejo aren’t fit will change just not sure who comes in.
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Post by digs on Apr 13, 2021 8:03:02 GMT 1
Crikey you negative lot were playing Bournemouth not Barcelona Phillip Billing who a lot on here don’t rate - I think it was because he didn’t run like he wanted to charge into a brick wall / has long legs - will be playing. We’ve done ok amidst our terrible run / marathon as it probably against the better footballing sides at home. I know they scraped a 5-0 away but that was one of the games Carlos decided he couldn’t be arsed with so not a fair judgment and hopefully makes them complacent Add in the ridiculous long mid week journey We just have to look like they want to play for the manager & were better off than the last 2 games just like we played Rotheram not Real Madrid on saturday?
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 13, 2021 8:15:20 GMT 1
I dont think i ever decided he wasnt shit. he went through a spell of actually looking interested early this season and became a player worth picking in the team, but for the last couple of months seems to have gone back to the disinterested waste of space he was. His entire contribution seems to be collecting the ball out on the touchline and ( without even considering using his alleged pace to beat the full back) just passing it backwards. That and taking a very good free kick. Hes the walking ( literally ) embodiment of why our premier league dream turned to crap. We had our pants royally pulled down to buy him. Gave us bugger all back. Lousy uninterested attitude. I have a lot of sympathy with that view, but to be devil's advocate, he is not without some merit. And I am ignoring his transfer fee, which is utterly irrelevant now. He is not a player who will create something out of nothing or beat a man, but I think he's a good addition to the team when we are playing fast flowing football. Hence why he looked good before Christmas and now he doesn't, given we are playing turgid football in the opponent's half. His defensive tracking back is also better than expected, for somebody who is allegedly totally disinterested. Having said all that, I won't be sad to see him go in the summer, until that is, we get a free kick 25 yards out. Just like I miss Mounié's cameos of last season. He'll probably end up back in Ligue 1 next season. that's basically my view as well. In the cold light of day, him leaving will mean we lose 11 goals and assists (or however many he's chalked up by the end of the season) and will need to replace them. I don't see an out an out winger that we have on the books that has looked like being able to take up that mantle next season. And definitely not as good a free kick taker. Replacing his contributions will be much more of a task than his detractors realise, but I'm not desperate for him to stay either
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Post by Dorset-Terrier on Apr 13, 2021 8:53:17 GMT 1
Two things are certain, defeat and Billing working a lot harder than his last appearance at the JSS. He's only one goal behind our top goalscorer this season & he's a midfielder. How sad is that. Billing has been playing a lot further forward recently for Bournemouth, almost their number 10... hence why he’s scored a few more a the last few games
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Post by sonny on Apr 13, 2021 9:04:07 GMT 1
The early kick-off tonight means a clash with Pointless. Oh, the irony.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 13, 2021 9:12:04 GMT 1
Confidence shot and looking like we’d struggle scoring in a brothel against an inform Bournemouth could be messy, both head and heart say it’s a loss and probably a big one.
Will the players show they care and even scrape a point? I doubt it but we’ve all been wrong before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:05:36 GMT 1
Hypothetically speaking, should we get a battering tonight, hopefully not, what's the thoughts then on Carlos? If the setup and out of position players etc, akin to Rotherham but a scoreline a bit less than Norwich. He's surely a goner or we just gonna ride it out and hope for the best come May?
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 13, 2021 10:28:20 GMT 1
Hypothetically speaking, should we get a battering tonight, hopefully not, what's the thoughts then on Carlos? If the setup and out of position players etc, akin to Rotherham but a scoreline a bit less than Norwich. He's surely a goner or we just gonna ride it out and hope for the best come May? Its a tough one. Its not good to keep sacking managers every two minutes.. and its a big drain on finances! Bit of loyalty and faith might pay off. But its increasingly difficult to see any tangible signs it might with Carlos. If you compare him to previous managers then theres similarities with both Robins and Grayson. Started well.. the signs were good.. we were even up near the top of this division with both of those... then slumped quite dramatically and the managers appearing to not know how to reverse it.. the players looking confused and unmotivated. Other managers have been sacked whilst doing much better than a 2 wins from 19 games record! I think he has to be on pretty thin ice.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 13, 2021 10:36:13 GMT 1
Hypothetically speaking, should we get a battering tonight, hopefully not, what's the thoughts then on Carlos? If the setup and out of position players etc, akin to Rotherham but a scoreline a bit less than Norwich. He's surely a goner or we just gonna ride it out and hope for the best come May? Its a tough one. Its not good to keep sacking managers every two minutes.. and its a big drain on finances! Bit of loyalty and faith might pay off. But its increasingly difficult to see any tangible signs it might with Carlos. If you compare him to previous managers then theres similarities with both Robins and Grayson. Started well.. the signs were good.. we were even up near the top of this division with both of those... then slumped quite dramatically and the managers appearing to not know how to reverse it.. the players looking confused and unmotivated. Other managers have been sacked whilst doing much better than a 2 wins from 19 games record! I think he has to be on pretty thin ice. Too many managers in a row have seemingly be fighting against a core of the squad who simply dont do what they are asked to do. Coberan is just another sad figure on the touchline swinging his arms and yelling for them to get out or get up and nothing happens etc. He gave them 3 options when playing out from the back, none of which are stand on the ball look up, see nothing and just continue to stand on it or turn a circle under pressure and lose it? Had we lashed the ball anyway forward or even sideways on countless occasions when coming under slight, moderate or serious pressure, our goal difference would look much better. Tonight I would go for simplicity all game. Nobody gets caught on it, nobody gets backed into a corner and nobody dwells ...
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Post by durhamterrier on Apr 13, 2021 10:38:54 GMT 1
The early kick-off tonight means a clash with Pointless. Oh, the irony. Hadn’t realised until my dad just told me . Would have missed it , and probably wouldn’t have minded that
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 13, 2021 10:39:14 GMT 1
Another 5+ to nil bollocking on the cards
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 13, 2021 10:52:39 GMT 1
Reading between the lines of Carlos’ press conference wouldn’t be surprised to see Thomas and High both start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 11:03:10 GMT 1
Hypothetically speaking, should we get a battering tonight, hopefully not, what's the thoughts then on Carlos? If the setup and out of position players etc, akin to Rotherham but a scoreline a bit less than Norwich. He's surely a goner or we just gonna ride it out and hope for the best come May? Its a tough one. Its not good to keep sacking managers every two minutes.. and its a big drain on finances! Bit of loyalty and faith might pay off. But its increasingly difficult to see any tangible signs it might with Carlos. If you compare him to previous managers then theres similarities with both Robins and Grayson. Started well.. the signs were good.. we were even up near the top of this division with both of those... then slumped quite dramatically and the managers appearing to not know how to reverse it.. the players looking confused and unmotivated. Other managers have been sacked whilst doing much better than a 2 wins from 19 games record! I think he has to be on pretty thin ice. I think before tonight he's on thin ice. That record obviously speaks for itself. You could see what he was trying at the beginning and working to, but it's just gone. We got figured out around November time and have look out of fresh ideas. Team's pressed us in our half as that was our big weakness and the amount of cock ups we made for goals is mental. I don't hope we lose, I hope we dick them, but if we win or get a fling on draw, it's going to be papering over cracks I'd say. I'd love the win and one at the weekend, be near safe then. I would though, he having a sit down with Carlos in the summer if I was Phil, be honest with Carlos about what he could have or not have, but also ask Carlos what are going to be his strategies going forward. What's our Plan A,B or C. This season we haven't even had a Plan A at times. Something has to give though and I honestly can't see a result tonight. I think if we get pumped, Carlos should walk. We tried it and it hasn't happened, not just his fault but a collection of cock ups and bullshit along the way. Anyway, we will now go and win 4-1 now I've wrote this shite
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 11:04:59 GMT 1
Reading between the lines of Carlos’ press conference wouldn’t be surprised to see Thomas and High both start. In fairness they look interested and keen. Some of the seasoned or flair lot, just look like they cba at times. I highly rated Bacuna in the Prem and thought he would absolutely storm this league. I watch him and at times I just wanna volley his head. He's lazy as shit sometimes
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Post by sabailand on Apr 13, 2021 11:32:47 GMT 1
Hypothetically speaking, should we get a battering tonight, hopefully not, what's the thoughts then on Carlos? If the setup and out of position players etc, akin to Rotherham but a scoreline a bit less than Norwich. He's surely a goner or we just gonna ride it out and hope for the best come May? Its a tough one. Its not good to keep sacking managers every two minutes.. and its a big drain on finances! Bit of loyalty and faith might pay off. But its increasingly difficult to see any tangible signs it might with Carlos. If you compare him to previous managers then theres similarities with both Robins and Grayson. Started well.. the signs were good.. we were even up near the top of this division with both of those... then slumped quite dramatically and the managers appearing to not know how to reverse it.. the players looking confused and unmotivated. Other managers have been sacked whilst doing much better than a 2 wins from 19 games record! I think he has to be on pretty thin ice. Grayson did actually get us promoted albeit by the skin of our teeth, and i was a bit surprised when then got rid although they were in the middle of a bad run of form, i liked Grayson, nothing spectacular but unwittingly oversaw an oddity we'll never forget at Wembley.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 13, 2021 11:58:02 GMT 1
After taking us up, grayson looked like he might take us up again at one point! Think he got sacked after no wins in 12 games and we were dropping like a stone towards relegation. Maybe wed have stayed up anyway? No way of knowing.
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Post by jasrick on Apr 13, 2021 12:11:17 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldn't be considering sacking Carlos at this point. We're not going to go down this season - 47 points will be enough, that's 3 from the next 6 games. Maybe the players are already on the beach and that's why we're not turning up at the moment. Anyway, give him the summer to rebuild and see where we are come late September/mid October.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 13, 2021 12:17:52 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldn't be considering sacking Carlos at this point. We're not going to go down this season - 47 points will be enough, that's 3 from the next 6 games. Maybe the players are already on the beach and that's why we're not turning up at the moment. Anyway, give him the summer to rebuild and see where we are come late September/mid October. I’d like some of your confidence Jasrick!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 13, 2021 12:43:46 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldn't be considering sacking Carlos at this point. We're not going to go down this season - 47 points will be enough, that's 3 from the next 6 games. Maybe the players are already on the beach and that's why we're not turning up at the moment. Anyway, give him the summer to rebuild and see where we are come late September/mid October. You say that as if 3 points are going to be easy to cone by given our form, realistically where are 3 draws or 1 win coming from? Coventry game maybe for a win? 2 wins in 19, one away win since October and only 3 all season is it? (We actually managed 2 in 87/88 which is the worst on record) The second worst defence in the league? Heaviest defeat in 34 years? The rap sheet for Carlos is getting longer by the day.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Apr 13, 2021 12:45:15 GMT 1
An half fit Koroma couldnt be much worse than the crap strikers town had up front especially v Norwich and Rotherham
Just wondering how much of an improvement he has made since returning to training as vital for towns survival hopes
Still feel relegation could be decided on GD so vital there is not another Norwich result
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Post by jasrick on Apr 13, 2021 12:52:32 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldn't be considering sacking Carlos at this point. We're not going to go down this season - 47 points will be enough, that's 3 from the next 6 games. Maybe the players are already on the beach and that's why we're not turning up at the moment. Anyway, give him the summer to rebuild and see where we are come late September/mid October. You say that as if 3 points are going to be easy to cone by given our form, realistically where are 3 draws or 1 win coming from? Coventry game maybe for a win? 2 wins in 19, one away win since October and only 3 all season is it? (We actually managed 2 in 87/88 which is the worst on record) The second worst defence in the league? Heaviest defeat in 34 years? The rap sheet for Carlos is getting longer by the day. You say considering our form, our form over the last 6 games is 7 points. Our form says we will comfortably stay up. You have to search pretty hard through the season’s results to find a time we haven’t picked up 3 points in 6 games - it did happen once around the start of Jan.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Apr 13, 2021 12:56:07 GMT 1
You say that as if 3 points are going to be easy to cone by given our form, realistically where are 3 draws or 1 win coming from? Coventry game maybe for a win? 2 wins in 19, one away win since October and only 3 all season is it? (We actually managed 2 in 87/88 which is the worst on record) The second worst defence in the league? Heaviest defeat in 34 years? The rap sheet for Carlos is getting longer by the day. You say considering our form, our form over the last 6 games is 7 points. Our form says we will comfortably stay up. You have to search pretty hard through the season’s results to find a time we haven’t picked up 3 points in 6 games - it did happen once around the start of Jan. I am struggling to see where are the next points are coming from as way from safety and crap form at present going into the run in Bournemouth - Barnsley - Reading = top 7 looking for play off points ---- Coventry nervy relegation scrap similar to Rotherham and surely a struggle v Blackburn and Forest away
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Post by 28901 on Apr 13, 2021 12:57:49 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldn't be considering sacking Carlos at this point. We're not going to go down this season - 47 points will be enough, that's 3 from the next 6 games. Maybe the players are already on the beach and that's why we're not turning up at the moment. Anyway, give him the summer to rebuild and see where we are come late September/mid October. You say that as if 3 points are going to be easy to cone by given our form, realistically where are 3 draws or 1 win coming from? Coventry game maybe for a win? 2 wins in 19, one away win since October and only 3 all season is it? (We actually managed 2 in 87/88 which is the worst on record) The second worst defence in the league? Heaviest defeat in 34 years? The rap sheet for Carlos is getting longer by the day. Personally I cant see us getting another point or even scoring another goal. And I am only half joking, a 0 0 v Coventry is as good as we can hope for. That point on Saturday was massive really. One of the luckiest point in Town's history.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 13, 2021 13:03:24 GMT 1
I'd give him until xmas depending on how ambitious we look in turning the squad over in the summer. If he gets players in he wants and we are still struggling by xmas he can't say he hasn't been given a fair crack at it. As for today I'm supposed to be going to Tesco so it depends how bad it looks by half time to see if I bail out or not. It might be worth sticking round to see the first 'See I was right all along' post fdrom Oti at the first faintest mistake from Billing. ;-)
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Post by jasrick on Apr 13, 2021 13:08:59 GMT 1
You say considering our form, our form over the last 6 games is 7 points. Our form says we will comfortably stay up. You have to search pretty hard through the season’s results to find a time we haven’t picked up 3 points in 6 games - it did happen once around the start of Jan. I am struggling to see where are the next points are coming from as way from safety and crap form at present going into the run in Bournemouth - Barnsley - Reading = top 7 looking for play off points ---- Coventry nervy relegation scrap similar to Rotherham and surely a struggle v Blackburn and Forest away Don’t ask me to tell you which games the points are coming from... who knows with some of the results we turn in! I’m more than confident we will get them though. Survival is generally secured more easily than fans expect. We all remember those two draws at the end of the first Premier League season against City & Chelsea to secure survival but in reality our points tally after the Watford win was sufficient to stay up.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 13, 2021 13:16:39 GMT 1
The issue for me is the number of players who are out of contract this summer. Lots of players who know (or at least believe - with some justification) that they don't have a future here. Call it unprofessional if you want but it's bound to have an effect on motivation levels - they are human after all.
I do believe that whatever happens, our squad 6 months from now will scarcely be recognisable from the one we have now. And that will be the time to judge Carlos & his team - when he not only has his own squad but also that they know they're part of the project. The flip side of that is of course that it's a gamble, and if it doesn't pay off then it's an expensive one. How much faith does the club have in CC & his team? How much would it have in anyone else they brought in?
My take on it is that we should keep him. Either you back him, or you back his replacement (who will be chosen by the same people who picked CC & his team). It's a gamble either way but unless there's something alarming going on behind the scenes I think keeping him gives us our best chance. At least CC has had chance to assess the players at the club.
I can't say that I'm 100% confident in him given our form since the turn of the year but I'm not ready to write him off either.
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