King Curtis
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 31, 2021 20:50:16 GMT 1
Must be bollocks then. We would surely have accepted and Isaac would be gone. That would be a surprisingly good move for him to attract a club the size of Besiktas. We can't do much when he turns teams down. Besiktas will have offered a decent wage. If he wants to take HTAFC PL money for another 12 months then we may as well play him. Still think he'll be off in this window though. If he has any ambition as a professional he'll want a fresh start. |
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Post by alexdire on Jul 31, 2021 20:50:39 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 31, 2021 21:14:09 GMT 1
Who cares where he goes as long as the fee we get is decent |
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King Curtis
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 31, 2021 21:27:25 GMT 1
Or he could stay at Town...
Come on Norwich
Come on Burnley
Come on anyone but Leeds
Who he goes to in this window or the next is not going to effect us.
If he goes to Leeds and Bielsa does to LOB as he did with Kalvin Phillips... we might be in for a hefty sell on fee.
Ohh sorry - anyone but Leeds!!!
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arry11
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Post by arry11 on Jul 31, 2021 21:30:02 GMT 1
We can't do much when he turns teams down. Besiktas will have offered a decent wage. If he wants to take HTAFC PL money for another 12 months then we may as well play him. Still think he'll be off in this window though. If he has any ambition as a professional he'll want a fresh start. I don't like the fact they are training away from the group we should be using them i also hope he will move on but it won't be easy shifting them out we live in hope. |
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 31, 2021 22:04:42 GMT 1
I think we can get £10m+ across all 3 Ok Jon. What about individually? Mbenza anything between £2m - £3m Bacuna £2.5m - £4m O'Brien £6m - £8m £10.5m - £15m |
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Post by mallyb on Jul 31, 2021 22:41:38 GMT 1
So the club struggles not the owner that made the mistakes. He made those mistakes completely risk free. That is a good deal, play football manager with the clubs money, borrow £30million from the bank even though you have over £100milliion from the pl each season. Great great chairman. Set up a deal to sell that means all player sales, and parachute money goes to you and the dross you signed the club can’t get rid of kill the clubs ability to compete. Great great chairman. You can do all this and a few fans will still think you are great , even insult others that now see you as what you are. I used to think he was great, I don’t know how a fan that enjoyed the ride and spent small amounts until the premiere league can leave the club so hamstrung by his mistakes. FFS we got promoted and we had to spend money just like many clubs do and use loans thats the way of the world and DH as yet to get the monies the guy gladly put in and will never get anywhere near the coin he stumped up over the years PH will probably walk away someday with more than DH stands to get. When you get relegated teams are left with a massive headache paying out large wages and until we clear the decks we have to take the pain. And we are not down and out and seem to be over the worst hopefully we can move forward. What planet are you on. Do you watch how the teams we were relegated with and all since the are challenging for promotion and still spending on players? We got promoted and had to spend money, yes the £100million we were given for being in that division. Dean screwed up with directors of football and got greedy. He was buying foreign kids hoping to sell for massive profits. It backfired and he still expects his money back, every penny he put in because it was all loans. We have had 3 years of clearing the wage bill and paying dean back, no other relegated team is doing that. On any business , you invest in equipment and the equipment doesn’t do what you expect you lose money, sometimes it puts you out of business. Dean has made those lousy investments but isn’t paying any price for that mistake |
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Post by arry11 on Jul 31, 2021 23:06:07 GMT 1
FFS we got promoted and we had to spend money just like many clubs do and use loans thats the way of the world and DH as yet to get the monies the guy gladly put in and will never get anywhere near the coin he stumped up over the years PH will probably walk away someday with more than DH stands to get. When you get relegated teams are left with a massive headache paying out large wages and until we clear the decks we have to take the pain. And we are not down and out and seem to be over the worst hopefully we can move forward. What planet are you on. Do you watch how the teams we were relegated with and all since the are challenging for promotion and still spending on players? We got promoted and had to spend money, yes the £100million we were given for being in that division. Dean screwed up with directors of football and got greedy. He was buying foreign kids hoping to sell for massive profits. It backfired and he still expects his money back, every penny he put in because it was all loans. We have had 3 years of clearing the wage bill and paying dean back, no other relegated team is doing that. On any business , you invest in equipment and the equipment doesn’t do what you expect you lose money, sometimes it puts you out of business. Dean has made those lousy investments but isn’t paying any price for that mistake WHINE WHINE WHINE Its not going to change many teams have failed and still to recover i,e Blackburn Bolton Sunderland and quite a few more get over it and stop muck spreading on every other post Shit happens. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 31, 2021 23:20:09 GMT 1
ffs shut up it was the price we paid for a crack at the big league and everyone jumped on the band wagon mistake's where made shit happens at least he tried. Best chairman the club as ever had by miles. People are asking where the money has gone, it's a pretty straightforward answer. The answer isn't to dean Hoyle though is it, other than a small part of it. He isn't expecting all his money back as you claim and the amount he will get back, spread over several years, is going to be somewhere in the region of a tenth of the money being in the PL generated for the club. the answer to where the money has gone ( well 9 tenths of it ) is mainly to players, their agents and to other clubs. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 31, 2021 23:24:28 GMT 1
Ok Jon. What about individually? Mbenza anything between £2m - £3m Bacuna £2.5m - £4m O'Brien £6m - £8m £10.5m - £15m Would be nice but can't see it. Personally think more likely to be- Mbenza-- £0 with sell ons Bacuna ---£0 with sell ons Obrien-- £ 5m with sell ons |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 31, 2021 23:46:19 GMT 1
Mbenza anything between £2m - £3m Bacuna £2.5m - £4m O'Brien £6m - £8m £10.5m - £15m Would be nice but can't see it. Personally think more likely to be- Mbenza-- £0 with sell ons Bacuna ---£0 with sell ons Obrien-- £ 5m with sell ons So Bacuna with 10 goals & 8 assists over the last two seasons from CM, RM, RB in the Championship has no resale value? Mbenza with 5 goals & 7 assists last season has zero resale value either? Give over! |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 1, 2021 7:27:38 GMT 1
Would be nice but can't see it. Personally think more likely to be- Mbenza-- £0 with sell ons Bacuna ---£0 with sell ons Obrien-- £ 5m with sell ons So Bacuna with 10 goals & 8 assists over the last two seasons from CM, RM, RB in the Championship has no resale value? Mbenza with 5 goals & 7 assists last season has zero resale value either? Give over! Exactly. They're both still quite young too so potential to improve. I think it's less than they're worth but I'd take £2million each just so we can move on and bring in players who actually want to play for us and dont think its beneath them |
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 1, 2021 7:58:54 GMT 1
So Bacuna with 10 goals & 8 assists over the last two seasons from CM, RM, RB in the Championship has no resale value? Mbenza with 5 goals & 7 assists last season has zero resale value either? Give over! Exactly. They're both still quite young too so potential to improve. I think it's less than they're worth but I'd take £2million each just so we can move on and bring in players who actually want to play for us and dont think its beneath them They’re out of contract in less than twelve months. The money will be nominal but the sell ons will be huge |
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Post by terriers2000 on Aug 1, 2021 9:04:26 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though.
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Post by benhomly on Aug 1, 2021 9:35:46 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. Amazing if we get anything near that for him. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 1, 2021 9:57:30 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. I’m glad and hope we continue to be stubborn on the fee He will be very hard to replace IMO. I think 10m would be with a view to squirrelling away 8 and spending 2 on a replacement. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Aug 1, 2021 10:34:39 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. If we get 8m and a decent championship quality player from them on a permanent deal, that's not bad business. As well all know, the issue then is what we do with it. I have no confidence that money will be made available. If I'm proven wrong, I have no confidence we'll use it well. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 1, 2021 10:42:47 GMT 1
I can't see a part swap deal working looking at their squad. Their creative midfielders either wouldn't want to come here or aren't ready. Most obvious like for like is Dallas but he was excellent last season so no chance. If we get 10m in this market I'll be delighted, would be disappointed with less than 7m
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Post by ldotm on Aug 1, 2021 10:51:49 GMT 1
The challenge we have with getting fees that are representative of Bacuna & Mbenza’s value, is that when we isolate them and make it so abundantly clear that we want to shift them on, we leave ourselves in a poor negotiation position and the buying club know we desperately need them out and can use this to their advantage.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 1, 2021 11:32:23 GMT 1
The excuse that there's nothing we can do if Mbenza doesn't want to move is just ridiculous. The club have gambled that someone is willing to buy him, which apparently has happened, but they would be absolute morons to expect that Mbenza would just up sticks & go anywhere if he is not paid what we are stupid enough to be paying him. If he had owt about him, he'd have wanted a move when we were relegated but it looks like he's putting cash before a football career.
The club will have fucked up royally if we are paying him another year to be sat on the sidelines, where he will be picking up "injuries" all season.
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 1, 2021 11:51:23 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. Wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Bogusz or a striker as part of it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 11:58:22 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. If we get 8m and a decent championship quality player from them on a permanent deal, that's not bad business. As well all know, the issue then is what we do with it. I have no confidence that money will be made available. If I'm proven wrong, I have no confidence we'll use it well. You can't lose can you!lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 12:01:40 GMT 1
The Sun on Sunday is reporting that leeds will have to fork out £10million to bring O’Brien to Elland Road this summer but that the club ‘can offer players’ as a part exchange deal – the transfer fee involved ‘needs to be an eight-figure sum’, though. Wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Bogusz or a striker as part of it Will be interesting if this plays out I can understand a player exchange with good cash adjustments to town but it's all speculation but I think it could be a goer |
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 1, 2021 12:08:28 GMT 1
Wouldn’t be surprised to see players like Bogusz or a striker as part of it Will be interesting if this plays out I can understand a player exchange with good cash adjustments to town but it's all speculation but I think it could be a goer Naming him in the cup team is a bold statement though . Leeds rotate like anything in the cup |
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Post by yoy on Aug 1, 2021 12:29:48 GMT 1
FFS we got promoted and we had to spend money just like many clubs do and use loans thats the way of the world and DH as yet to get the monies the guy gladly put in and will never get anywhere near the coin he stumped up over the years PH will probably walk away someday with more than DH stands to get. When you get relegated teams are left with a massive headache paying out large wages and until we clear the decks we have to take the pain. And we are not down and out and seem to be over the worst hopefully we can move forward. What planet are you on. Do you watch how the teams we were relegated with and all since the are challenging for promotion and still spending on players? We got promoted and had to spend money, yes the £100million we were given for being in that division. Dean screwed up with directors of football and got greedy. He was buying foreign kids hoping to sell for massive profits. It backfired and he still expects his money back, every penny he put in because it was all loans. We have had 3 years of clearing the wage bill and paying dean back, no other relegated team is doing that. On any business , you invest in equipment and the equipment doesn’t do what you expect you lose money, sometimes it puts you out of business. Dean has made those lousy investments but isn’t paying any price for that mistake He made terrible decisions that gave us all a journey and left the club in a position to pay him back. You expect that instead he just hands the cash that he put in to Phil? |
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Post by terriers2000 on Aug 1, 2021 15:40:38 GMT 1
biesla was in the crowd today probably watching obrien
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 1, 2021 15:51:28 GMT 1
biesla was in the crowd today probably watching obrien After that pen, CC could justifiably ask for another half a million now, you'd think! |
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Post by Sparrow on Aug 1, 2021 15:59:32 GMT 1
Mbenza anything between £2m - £3m Bacuna £2.5m - £4m O'Brien £6m - £8m £10.5m - £15m Would be nice but can't see it. Personally think more likely to be- Mbenza-- £0 with sell ons Bacuna ---£0 with sell ons Obrien-- £ 5m with sell ons A very reliable poster has already told us that we've had a good offer for 1 of them. Most likely Mbenza. He's probably hoping for a move back to France. Bacuna is a very talented player when he wants to be. Clubs will pay for that talent and potential, believing they can get the best out of them. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 1, 2021 17:43:34 GMT 1
Or he could stay at Town... Come on Norwich Come on Burnley Come on anyone but Leeds Who he goes to in this window or the next is not going to effect us. If he goes to Leeds and Bielsa does to LOB as he did with Kalvin Phillips... we might be in for a hefty sell on fee. Ohh sorry - anyone but Leeds!!! If Leeds offer more than any other club then I don't give a damn if he goes to them. Press today suggesting that Burnley no longer interested anyway. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Aug 1, 2021 17:46:48 GMT 1
Bielsa present today
Obrien was class too 😔
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