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Post by JonsonClarkParis on May 1, 2021 21:21:34 GMT 1
I understand we have got rid of some of the big earners but have we actually improved on the playing side? Has our recruitment improved
For me it's a big fat NO!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 1, 2021 21:32:49 GMT 1
Is this a trick poll?
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Post by huddersfc on May 1, 2021 21:35:29 GMT 1
Bit of a pointless question. Points per game we are doing worse off, and according to some, points are all that matter.
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Post by alexdire on May 1, 2021 21:45:23 GMT 1
It's not just have we improved it's have any of the players improved?
I can only think of Koroma who has improved.
The rest, who played last season, have regressed.
I don't include Mbenza. As in all honesty, who can judge. As he was barely played in his first two seasons here.
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Post by shawsie on May 1, 2021 21:50:13 GMT 1
It's not just have we improved it's have any of the players improved? I can only think of Koroma who has improved. The rest, who played last season, have regressed. I don't include Mbenza. As in all honesty, who can judge. As he was barely played in his first two seasons here. Thats cos hes just crap. 3 seasons of utter shite except when his agent said better start trying now if u want away! The likes of him, pritchard, ward are simply not good enough and on the money being paid its akin to stealing imho.
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Post by digs on May 1, 2021 22:08:54 GMT 1
either the manager is telling the players to bore us to death,or the players are shite,it absolutely fucking rubbish,something needs to change,maybe the players can't understand the coaches,although looking at some of the quality of the passing, movement ect,maybe the players are just wank,maybe the coaching staff and the players are wank,and I don't think I can stand a season watching Holmes sitting on the advertising hoardings chewing on his bubba bubba bubbly whilst pretending to be pregnant with a fooking ball up his jersey before throwing the ball like a 6 year old to the edge of the box,fuck knows what's wrong with them,knobheads
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 1, 2021 22:18:20 GMT 1
Having the second worse defence in the division is not progress.
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Post by morleyterrier on May 2, 2021 9:06:19 GMT 1
Since Wagner left, if we had never employed a Coach or Manager and just let the Players sort it out themselves every week and match day.
Could the performances and results / points gained overall have been any worse?.
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Post by detox on May 2, 2021 9:08:56 GMT 1
4 people voted yes ...
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Post by terriers2000 on May 2, 2021 9:10:19 GMT 1
before new year we looked like we were going to finish top half or maybe a push to the playoffs but when you sign crap players in January it shows the club is going nowhere and we look poor and spineless
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Post by hypotenuse on May 2, 2021 9:16:12 GMT 1
Having the second worse defence in the division is not progress. Joint worst.
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Post by hypotenuse on May 2, 2021 9:18:44 GMT 1
We have improved by one metric. Lots of posters said the Cowleys produced boring football. This season, if you add up our goals for and goals against, it is the joint best in the league along with Brentford and Bournemouth. So we must be as exciting to watch as they are, right?
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 2, 2021 10:39:01 GMT 1
Time to reflect on another pathetic season.
We’ve got worse but to be fair to Carlos Cowley had better players available to him. If he’s been told to build a team around Duane Holmes and Danny Ward the future is very bleak I’m afraid.
Release all the out of contract players with the exception of Elphick, the club should offer him a 1 year extension and possible a path in to coaching seems like a good bloke and I think he has potential to be a coach/ manager.
Sack the manager and put the club up for sale.
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Post by artysid on May 2, 2021 10:47:14 GMT 1
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Post by captainblack on May 2, 2021 10:55:44 GMT 1
either the manager is telling the players to bore us to death,or the players are shite,it absolutely fucking rubbish,something needs to change,maybe the players can't understand the coaches,although looking at some of the quality of the passing, movement ect,maybe the players are just wank,maybe the coaching staff and the players are wank,and I don't think I can stand a season watching Holmes sitting on the advertising hoardings chewing on his bubba bubba bubbly whilst pretending to be pregnant with a fooking ball up his jersey before throwing the ball like a 6 year old to the edge of the box,fuck knows what's wrong with them,knobheads Don't hold anything back will you Digs
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Post by paulsg on May 2, 2021 10:58:40 GMT 1
It has been a season of two halves, I suspect the poll would be very different if the order had been reversed.
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Post by turbo2 on May 2, 2021 10:59:25 GMT 1
Time to reflect on another pathetic season. We’ve got worse but to be fair to Carlos Cowley had better players available to him. If he’s been told to build a team around Duane Holmes and Danny Ward the future is very bleak I’m afraid. Release all the out of contract players with the exception of Elphick, the club should offer him a 1 year extension and possible a path in to coaching seems like a good bloke and I think he has potential to be a coach/ manager. Sack the manager and put the club up for sale. Elphick?? I’m told he’s on 17k a week. He’s hardly kicked a ball in two seasons. First one out of the door for me
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Post by sabailand on May 2, 2021 12:35:05 GMT 1
It has been a season of two halves, I suspect the poll would be very different if the order had been reversed. Yes thats a fair point, firsts half of the season saw us play some good stuff with some fine wins against decent opposition, inconsistency was our problem, second half inconsistency wasn't problem cos generally we were consistently bad (with an odd nice surprise thrown in), but on the whole i dont think we`ve improved, we can cite injuries to key players but thats when managers earn their money, to be fair Carlos Corberan has never hid behind this excuse though.
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2021 12:37:48 GMT 1
Purely as a player, Elphick is one of the easiest decisions to make as far as releasing him goes. Injury prone, turns 34 in a few months and to be honest his best days are well behind him.
If there's a vacancy for a coach or other part of the backroom team, and the club feel that he's a strong candidate to fill that role then keep him in that regard & maybe retain his registration in case of dire emergency, but in all honesty I think he's already played his last professional game.
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2021 13:02:28 GMT 1
Have we improved? Define it.
If we win vs Reading then we've finished on the same number of points as we did last season.
Would we be better with Mounie instead of Ward? Yes.
Were we better with Karlan Grant in the side than with Koroma? Yes, although mostly because Koroma has been injured for a significant amount of the season.
I'm more interested in how well we'll do next season, and that's extraordinarily difficult to predict. Lots of high earners will be out of contract at the end of this month, and much will depend on who stays, who goes & who comes in to replace those who leave. LoB is likely to leave, and much also depends on how much we get for him, and how well that money is reinvested.
The only thing that I can predict with confidence is that next season's squad will look very different from the one we have now. Whether it's better, worse or about the same, time will tell.
I do think we've been hit harder than most by Covid, and that we'll get a truer picture of where we are towards the end of this calendar year.
There's reason for optimism, but it's optimism with a great deal of caution applied.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 2, 2021 13:38:23 GMT 1
Purely as a player, Elphick is one of the easiest decisions to make as far as releasing him goes. Injury prone, turns 34 in a few months and to be honest his best days are well behind him. If there's a vacancy for a coach or other part of the backroom team, and the club feel that he's a strong candidate to fill that role then keep him in that regard & maybe retain his registration in case of dire emergency, but in all honesty I think he's already played his last professional game. I dont think youre telling us anything Tommy elphick hasn't already told us there mate
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2021 13:52:19 GMT 1
I've actually really enjoyed some of the attacking football we have played during spells this season, much more than the Cowboys ever served up which gives me hope of significant improvement in the future.
But equally there have been times (far too many) when I've been at the end of my tether with our football and decisions.
I'd like to see him given a crack next season with more of his players. And if we are predominantly dog turd at Christmas then reaccess.
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2021 13:55:54 GMT 1
Purely as a player, Elphick is one of the easiest decisions to make as far as releasing him goes. Injury prone, turns 34 in a few months and to be honest his best days are well behind him. If there's a vacancy for a coach or other part of the backroom team, and the club feel that he's a strong candidate to fill that role then keep him in that regard & maybe retain his registration in case of dire emergency, but in all honesty I think he's already played his last professional game. I dont think youre telling us anything Tommy elphick hasn't already told us there mate He hasn't told me. (i.e. if there's been an interview with him saying something to that effect, then I haven't seen it)
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 2, 2021 14:01:36 GMT 1
Yeah I think it might have been on the YouTube channel
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 2, 2021 14:26:52 GMT 1
Purely as a player, Elphick is one of the easiest decisions to make as far as releasing him goes. Injury prone, turns 34 in a few months and to be honest his best days are well behind him. If there's a vacancy for a coach or other part of the backroom team, and the club feel that he's a strong candidate to fill that role then keep him in that regard & maybe retain his registration in case of dire emergency, but in all honesty I think he's already played his last professional game. I think we definitely need a new defensive coach
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 2, 2021 14:37:04 GMT 1
Time to reflect on another pathetic season. We’ve got worse but to be fair to Carlos Cowley had better players available to him. If he’s been told to build a team around Duane Holmes and Danny Ward the future is very bleak I’m afraid. Release all the out of contract players with the exception of Elphick, the club should offer him a 1 year extension and possible a path in to coaching seems like a good bloke and I think he has potential to be a coach/ manager. Sack the manager and put the club up for sale. Elphick?? I’m told he’s on 17k a week. He’s hardly kicked a ball in two seasons. First one out of the door for me What ahead of Pritchard who is on circa 100k a week?
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 2, 2021 14:39:07 GMT 1
Purely as a player, Elphick is one of the easiest decisions to make as far as releasing him goes. Injury prone, turns 34 in a few months and to be honest his best days are well behind him. If there's a vacancy for a coach or other part of the backroom team, and the club feel that he's a strong candidate to fill that role then keep him in that regard & maybe retain his registration in case of dire emergency, but in all honesty I think he's already played his last professional game. From a coaching perspective I’d be trying to keep him. He’s not a championship standard defender anymore but neither are Keogh and Stearman.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 2, 2021 14:50:39 GMT 1
Depends on your measure
Pound spent per Championship point earned then we have improved
Overall we have a weaker squad than we did 12 months ago though
The two glimmers of hope is that we have a core of young players with good experience - assuming we hold onto them - and crucially the last of the wrong uns will never wear the blue and white again
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Post by space hardware on May 2, 2021 15:10:11 GMT 1
Depends on your measure Pound spent per Championship point earned then we have improved Overall we have a weaker squad than we did 12 months ago though The two glimmers of hope is that we have a core of young players with good experience - assuming we hold onto them - and crucially the last of the wrong uns will never wear the blue and white again I don't see any of the young players making it, tbh. They seem to be the archetypal, technically proficient yet piss weak Academy player that we've been churning out for years now. I don't think very many of them would get game time in League Two, let alone many other Championship clubs. If we're relying on them to form the core of the squad after the wasters, wankers and wage thieving shitehawks have left this summer then we are in big trouble.
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Post by space hardware on May 2, 2021 15:12:31 GMT 1
4 people voted yes ... 10 now. They must have taken some exceptionally strong mind bending narcotics.
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