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Post by benhomly on May 4, 2021 15:47:32 GMT 1
Cowleys had a way better squad. Schindler Grant Mounie Lossl Trevoh Smith Rowe King a performing Stearman. King? |
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Post by I have a box full of hats on May 4, 2021 15:54:03 GMT 1
Cowleys had a way better squad. Schindler Grant Mounie Lossl Trevoh Smith Rowe King a performing Stearman. King? Andy |
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Post by benhomly on May 4, 2021 16:00:25 GMT 1
Ah yes, one of those loan signings that become instantly forgettable |
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Post by huddersfc on May 4, 2021 16:58:22 GMT 1
I dont understand how 16 people think we have improved, even trying to look at things optimistically.
Firstly lets look at points tally. We cant pass last years points tally even with a win at Reading. Now I know its not all about points, but we are constantly told by some that you are where you deserve to be after 46 games and the table doesnt lie. So on that basis we havnt improved.
Has the football improved. I dont think so. Under the Cowleys we still had games when we looked very good, away at Brentford I remember us winning 1-0 and played a game plan so well we stopped Brentford in their tracks, Hull at home we won 3-0 and looked very good, Birmingham away our counter attacking was very good. I think I also remember playing Lee Johnson's Bristol City completely off the park at home, even though we only won by 1 goal if I recall. We also played some pretty dreadful stuff too after the lockdown against Wigan and Luton. This season we have played well away at Millwall, home to Sheff Wednesday, then both games against Swansea, but we have suffered the absolute humiliation against Norwich, and the home games against Coventry and Rotherham were equally as bad as the Luton and Wigan games last year.
Has the recruitment improved? I am not even going to dignify that with a response.
Has the fitness improved? I would say not, we have suffered loads of injuries, we havnt exactly looked fitter than other teams despite us having intense training methods. When you look at our fitness under Wagner we would come alive in the last 10 minutes or so if we needed to, while other teams ran out of steam, but we have often looked leggy after 80 minutes.
Has the management of the team improved? Not really, we are constantly putting square pegs in round holes, we make bizarre substitutions, we make the same basic errors, we are so slow to do anything, and we persist playing it out from the back despite continually conceding goals from doing it and not having players good enough to do it.
I am really struggling to work out how we have improved overall .....
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Post by marshterrier on May 4, 2021 19:04:43 GMT 1
I hope someone at the Club is reading all this as its factual not just opinions.
The Club needs a massive overhaul from top to bottom on and off the field.
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Post by specialun on May 4, 2021 19:32:49 GMT 1
The only thing that has improved since last season is the wage budget (not a bad thing) The football improved pre-xmas but that went out of the window once injuries started to bite & the severe lack of squad depth was exposed. The only way we can improve on last seasons points/GD is if we beat Reading 4-0 or similar. And keep in mind we had 1 point from 7 last season? To not beat last season’s total after that is embarrassing for all involved - chairman, coach, players |
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Post by huddersfc on May 7, 2021 23:50:03 GMT 1
The only thing that has improved since last season is the wage budget (not a bad thing) The football improved pre-xmas but that went out of the window once injuries started to bite & the severe lack of squad depth was exposed. The only way we can improve on last seasons points/GD is if we beat Reading 4-0 or similar. And keep in mind we had 1 point from 7 last season? To not beat last season’s total after that is embarrassing for all involved - chairman, coach, players I think the only person who will be embarrassed will be CC. The majority of players certainly won't be. Thankfully they haven't got many pay cheques left to pick up as so many are out of contract. PH won't be embarrassed either. If he wasn't embarrassed bringing in Keogh and Holmes he will never be embarrassed while he is owner again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:34:11 GMT 1
Exactly a year since the Cowley’s were sacked.
Bloody hell!
Is it a more pertinent question to ask now they’ve been gone for 12 months?
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Post by Hank Hill on Jul 19, 2021 16:47:02 GMT 1
I don't think there's any way of knowing where we'd be if they were still in charge. Under Carlos we looked so promising in the first half of the season before our injury crisis that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The Cowley's were just so boring! I think we'd have still really struggled if they were still at the helm.
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Post by specialun on Jul 19, 2021 19:41:00 GMT 1
I don't think there's any way of knowing where we'd be if they were still in charge. Under Carlos we looked so promising in the first half of the season before our injury crisis that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The Cowley's were just so boring! I think we'd have still really struggled if they were still at the helm. Cowley’s record is only bettered than Wagner at this level since we got promoted in 2012 We were promising under Carlos for 2 months. Poor at best after that. Woeful after Christmas We didn’t win away after October until Feb? March? - that got to Carlos’ mind, we stopped attacking, playing intense football, we became dull, negative, boring, we changed shape all over the place etc, lost all defensive structure, he even played Hogg at centre half etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 21:47:28 GMT 1
I don't think there's any way of knowing where we'd be if they were still in charge. Under Carlos we looked so promising in the first half of the season before our injury crisis that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The Cowley's were just so boring! I think we'd have still really struggled if they were still at the helm. Had the Cowleys been in charge still, same players and then same injuries we had, I reckon they'd have got us relegated. Stagnant football at times with the likes of ESR here too.... |
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Post by softboy on Jul 19, 2021 21:58:02 GMT 1
Completely agree with no. Yaya Songola is a much better player than Rhodes will ever be, the young guy from Chelsea on loan will never be as good as Keogh, the keeper form MK Dons will never reach the standard of Schofield, in fact every new signing is a downgrade on what we had, I wouldnt be suprised if to compound the misery we let Mbenza and Baccuna our 2 best players go!
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Post by shawsie on Jul 19, 2021 22:00:08 GMT 1
I don't think there's any way of knowing where we'd be if they were still in charge. Under Carlos we looked so promising in the first half of the season before our injury crisis that I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The Cowley's were just so boring! I think we'd have still really struggled if they were still at the helm. No more boring than watching us last season quite often imho. I dont want the cowleys back .... never did as that ship has long since sailed but lets not excuse CC for the second half of last season. His methods broke several players and the obsession with playing from the back with players who cant do it well at this level still baffles me. He has another chance this season and i will support him fully........ but he needs a decent start after H2 of last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 22:05:42 GMT 1
The 2nd half of last season was almost enough to stop me buying a season ticket for the first time in nearly 30 years I was so bored. I did eventually end up getting one but can’t be doing with another 4-5 months of that drivel again.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 19, 2021 22:49:13 GMT 1
The 2nd half of last season was almost enough to stop me buying a season ticket for the first time in nearly 30 years I was so bored. I did eventually end up getting one but can’t be doing with another 4-5 months of that drivel again. In my 35 years of watching the club I've never been as disillusioned with the club, nor am I looking forward to the start of the season, nor attending games and thats saying something because we've seen some absolute crap in that 35 years, worse than now. I've bought a season ticket but the thought of more dross being dished up like last season fills me with dread. I just can’t get excited about it. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 19, 2021 22:52:53 GMT 1
The 2nd half of last season was almost enough to stop me buying a season ticket for the first time in nearly 30 years I was so bored. I did eventually end up getting one but can’t be doing with another 4-5 months of that drivel again. In my 35 years of watching the club I've never been as disillusioned with the club, nor am I looking forward to the start of the season, nor attending games and thats saying something because we've seen some absolute crap in that 35 years, worse than now. I've bought a season ticket but the thought of more dross being dished up like last season fills me with dread. I just can’t get excited about it. Chin up mate, it's not like you to be an Eeyore, you are normally such a ray of sunshine. See you for a pint in Derby. |
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Post by Melc on Jul 20, 2021 1:00:28 GMT 1
The 2nd half of last season was almost enough to stop me buying a season ticket for the first time in nearly 30 years I was so bored. I did eventually end up getting one but can’t be doing with another 4-5 months of that drivel again. In my 35 years of watching the club I've never been as disillusioned with the club, nor am I looking forward to the start of the season, nor attending games and thats saying something because we've seen some absolute crap in that 35 years, worse than now. I've bought a season ticket but the thought of more dross being dished up like last season fills me with dread. I just can’t get excited about it. Look on the bright side you can watch first hand then come on here and moan away as usual.  |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 20, 2021 8:54:24 GMT 1
In my 35 years of watching the club I've never been as disillusioned with the club, nor am I looking forward to the start of the season, nor attending games and thats saying something because we've seen some absolute crap in that 35 years, worse than now. I've bought a season ticket but the thought of more dross being dished up like last season fills me with dread. I just can’t get excited about it. Look on the bright side you can watch first hand then come on here and moan away as usual. Nothing worse than people moaning when they haven’t even been to the game. |
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Post by alexdire on Jul 20, 2021 11:22:43 GMT 1
Completely agree with no. Yaya Songola is a much better player than Rhodes will ever be, the young guy from Chelsea on loan will never be as good as Keogh, the keeper form MK Dons will never reach the standard of Schofield, in fact every new signing is a downgrade on what we had, I wouldnt be suprised if to compound the misery we let Mbenza and Baccuna our 2 best players go! To be quite honest the only thing that is keeping a slight interest alive for me, is the fact we still have Baccuna on the books. Somebody with some skill and talent who can provide some entertainment. Then most Town fans prefer people who run around a lot, whether its actually productive or not. Always have. |
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 20, 2021 11:29:00 GMT 1
cowley's football was horrible to watch always go for a point away from home , negative football , as carlos at the start of the season was quality to watch, injuries didn't help and back end of the season was shocking but I rather watch attacking free flowing football than boring football
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Post by Wingman on Jul 20, 2021 13:57:43 GMT 1
cowley's football was horrible to watch always go for a point away from home , negative football , as carlos at the start of the season was quality to watch, injuries didn't help and back end of the season was shocking but I rather watch attacking free flowing football than boring football What is often overlooked is that the Cowley’s came into the clowns running the circus, we were knackered. They did what they had to do to keep us up, their remit. Given another year and some leeway to change the squad further, and without the pressure on after a shit start, they may have expanded their style. Let’s just remember context. |
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 20, 2021 14:01:34 GMT 1
The squads considerably worst and it was pretty bad then.
We have a league one standard squad now, no questions.
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 20, 2021 14:32:28 GMT 1
Completely agree with no. Yaya Songola is a much better player than Rhodes will ever be, the young guy from Chelsea on loan will never be as good as Keogh, the keeper form MK Dons will never reach the standard of Schofield, in fact every new signing is a downgrade on what we had, I wouldnt be suprised if to compound the misery we let Mbenza and Baccuna our 2 best players go! To be quite honest the only thing that is keeping a slight interest alive for me, is the fact we still have Baccuna on the books. Somebody with some skill and talent who can provide some entertainment. Then most Town fans prefer people who run around a lot, whether its actually productive or not. Always have. Bacuna has provided the odd moment of entertainment over many very average & ineffective performances. Barely running around and rarely productive. He clearly has potential and talent but hes probably our most frustrating player to watch and it looks like he won't fulfill that potential with us. It's like he's a 'not that good 'luxury' player' |
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Post by muffinman on Jul 20, 2021 15:02:09 GMT 1
We sure as shit havent improved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:21:02 GMT 1
cowley's football was horrible to watch always go for a point away from home , negative football , as carlos at the start of the season was quality to watch, injuries didn't help and back end of the season was shocking but I rather watch attacking free flowing football than boring football What is often overlooked is that the Cowley’s came into the clowns running the circus, we were knackered. They did what they had to do to keep us up, their remit. Given another year and some leeway to change the squad further, and without the pressure on after a shit start, they may have expanded their style. Let’s just remember context. What about when the Cowleys went to Portsmouth, got momentum etc and still cocked it up with one of the best squads in that league. I don't buy them. Lincoln was for them, no pressure, no egos in the dressing room. Everything work, was a match made in heaven. Yes they wanted to progress, but they don't half come across as its all about them. They did a job here, which is fair enough. I'd much rather have Carlos and I've been his least biggest fan at times. But given the bigger picture, he's had it pretty shite, when it's looked as though we have started to play brilliant football, along comes injuries to main players and we start all over again and so on. Happier where our squad is at, not just on the football front but on the money side. We have alot lot less players stealing thousands a week off us for doing a step over once a week. For that, I'm more happier we have a team that looks like it's workers in it now, not a bunch of rinsers. For a change Phil can take some positives from that on a personal level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:43:31 GMT 1
Compare the CVS of the two respective managers and it’s like chalk and cheese. Corberan with two sackings in Cyprus and a 20th place finish with Town or Cowley with five promotions, an FA Cup QTF with a none Lge team and keeping a team up that had zero wins, one draw and 7 defeats in a season when they weren’t in charge. Hope it works out for Corberan but despite having 7 more league matches in charge at Town still hasn’t picked up as many points as the Cowleys did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:59:40 GMT 1
What is often overlooked is that the Cowley’s came into the clowns running the circus, we were knackered. They did what they had to do to keep us up, their remit. Given another year and some leeway to change the squad further, and without the pressure on after a shit start, they may have expanded their style. Let’s just remember context. What about when the Cowleys went to Portsmouth, got momentum etc and still cocked it up with one of the best squads in that league. I don't buy them. Lincoln was for them, no pressure, no egos in the dressing room. Everything work, was a match made in heaven. Yes they wanted to progress, but they don't half come across as its all about them. They did a job here, which is fair enough. I'd much rather have Carlos and I've been his least biggest fan at times. But given the bigger picture, he's had it pretty shite, when it's looked as though we have started to play brilliant football, along comes injuries to main players and we start all over again and so on. Happier where our squad is at, not just on the football front but on the money side. We have alot lot less players stealing thousands a week off us for doing a step over once a week. For that, I'm more happier we have a team that looks like it's workers in it now, not a bunch of rinsers. For a change Phil can take some positives from that on a personal level. I think if you ask most Portsmouth fans they would say they had a relatively poor squad even for Lge 1. They were also 10th when they took over, lead them to 8th and earnt themselves a new contract so not too bad so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:05:25 GMT 1
What about when the Cowleys went to Portsmouth, got momentum etc and still cocked it up with one of the best squads in that league. I don't buy them. Lincoln was for them, no pressure, no egos in the dressing room. Everything work, was a match made in heaven. Yes they wanted to progress, but they don't half come across as its all about them. They did a job here, which is fair enough. I'd much rather have Carlos and I've been his least biggest fan at times. But given the bigger picture, he's had it pretty shite, when it's looked as though we have started to play brilliant football, along comes injuries to main players and we start all over again and so on. Happier where our squad is at, not just on the football front but on the money side. We have alot lot less players stealing thousands a week off us for doing a step over once a week. For that, I'm more happier we have a team that looks like it's workers in it now, not a bunch of rinsers. For a change Phil can take some positives from that on a personal level. I think if you ask most Portsmouth fans they would say they had a relatively poor squad even for Lge 1. They were also 10th when they took over, lead them to 8th and earnt themselves a new contract so not too bad so far. They were actually hitting form, their squad isn't or wasn't poor for that level at all. They were in a play off spot going into the last day wasn't they? I'd call that a failing in all honesty. Will they do well this season? Who knows, I suppose, who cares really. Thankful for the job they did here, but glad they aren't here anymore. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 23, 2021 9:47:33 GMT 1
Hopefully have a better idea after todays game
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Post by ram on Jul 23, 2021 9:56:07 GMT 1
Someone on another thread said " we fought to get out of div.1" now it seems we are fighting to get back in!
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