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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 14:07:14 GMT 1
Oh, c'mon. You're sat next to Dean at a game. He nudges you and says "you got a shiny penny in your pocket?" You confirm you do, and he says "Give me that, and this club is yours (minus Canalside). The one caveat is that you pay me back my loans over a very short time period using the club's cash flow (parachute payments)" Is that me using my money to buy Town - I'm talking spiritually, not literally? So how much do you think a club that owes over 50m, has contracted players we cant sell for what we paid and never made a profit except the 2 years it was in the premier league and doesnt own its ground actually worth then? How much would you be willing to pay in order to take on the situation the club was in at the time? I would have made an offer of £7m if I'd known the club was for sale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 14:08:53 GMT 1
Nearly ready for Jacko to take over. No way - Jacko's a good man, they don't deserve him!
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 1, 2021 16:06:28 GMT 1
To be fair, most Derby fans would probably have forgotten that Jordan Ibe was still on their books.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 18:05:28 GMT 1
To be fair, most Derby fans would probably have forgotten that Jordan Ibe was still on their books. Yet another of the Liverpool kids who had smoke blown up their arses who have gone on to do fuck all,
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Post by Champers on Jul 1, 2021 18:48:07 GMT 1
To be fair, most Derby fans would probably have forgotten that Jordan Ibe was still on their books. Yet another of the Liverpool kids who had smoke blown up their arses who have gone on to do fuck all, In fairness to him, I believe he's had some mental health issues these past few years so it's not really fair to criticise the lad himself without knowing all the facts.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 1, 2021 19:54:27 GMT 1
Yet another of the Liverpool kids who had smoke blown up their arses who have gone on to do fuck all, In fairness to him, I believe he's had some mental health issues these past few years so it's not really fair to criticise the lad himself without knowing all the facts. I wonder if the Bournemouth chairman, as loaded as he is and who shelled out £15m + 4 years wages (so total £20-25m), sees it in quite the same way as you.
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Jul 1, 2021 20:38:54 GMT 1
Wow they are in a mess. I fancy us to sneak a point there on the opening day now
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Post by softboy on Jul 1, 2021 20:51:53 GMT 1
What a well run club, take note Phil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 20:53:45 GMT 1
Wow they are in a mess. I fancy us to sneak a point there on the opening day now Aye, I'd fancy us to get a point against Wycombe, too!
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Post by Champers on Jul 1, 2021 21:25:17 GMT 1
In fairness to him, I believe he's had some mental health issues these past few years so it's not really fair to criticise the lad himself without knowing all the facts. I wonder if the Bournemouth chairman, as loaded as he is and who shelled out £15m + 4 years wages (so total £20-25m), sees it in quite the same way as you. I couldn't give a gnats chuff what some irrelevant millionaire thinks about it in all honesty. Just because somebody paid a lot of money for you doesn't automatically make you immune to mental health problems does it? Jesus fucking wept.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 1, 2021 22:45:42 GMT 1
Yet another of the Liverpool kids who had smoke blown up their arses who have gone on to do fuck all, In fairness to him, I believe he's had some mental health issues these past few years so it's not really fair to criticise the lad himself without knowing all the facts. Yes, that's what I've heard as well. According to East Midlands Today this evening he played just 3 minutes of Championship football last season.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 2, 2021 1:14:05 GMT 1
I wonder if the Bournemouth chairman, as loaded as he is and who shelled out £15m + 4 years wages (so total £20-25m), sees it in quite the same way as you. I couldn't give a gnats chuff what some irrelevant millionaire thinks about it in all honesty. Just because somebody paid a lot of money for you doesn't automatically make you immune to mental health problems does it? Jesus fucking wept. As a football fan, you can call a player out for being not very good technically (e.g. Diakhaby) and those that are physically injured a lot. Players get dogs abuse for this, but ultimately the players have limited control over their technical ability and injury susceptibility. If I had made the same comment about Ibe for being a shit footballer or a (physical) sick note, there is no way you would have responded in the same way as you just did. Read it back with that in mind and you'll see what I mean. But anybody with mental health issues is now totally immune from criticism for their inadequate performance. The pendulum is swinging too far in my opinion.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 2, 2021 10:15:30 GMT 1
I couldn't give a gnats chuff what some irrelevant millionaire thinks about it in all honesty. Just because somebody paid a lot of money for you doesn't automatically make you immune to mental health problems does it? Jesus fucking wept. As a football fan, you can call a player out for being not very good technically (e.g. Diakhaby) and those that are physically injured a lot. Players get dogs abuse for this, but ultimately the players have limited control over their technical ability and injury susceptibility. If I had made the same comment about Ibe for being a shit footballer or a (physical) sick note, there is no way you would have responded in the same way as you just did. Read it back with that in mind and you'll see what I mean. But anybody with mental health issues is now totally immune from criticism for their inadequate performance. The pendulum is swinging too far in my opinion. Anybody who can't understand just how badly mental health issues can screw up your life should thank god they can't understand just how badly mental health issues can screw up your life.
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Post by Champers on Jul 2, 2021 10:42:06 GMT 1
I couldn't give a gnats chuff what some irrelevant millionaire thinks about it in all honesty. Just because somebody paid a lot of money for you doesn't automatically make you immune to mental health problems does it? Jesus fucking wept. As a football fan, you can call a player out for being not very good technically (e.g. Diakhaby) and those that are physically injured a lot. Players get dogs abuse for this, but ultimately the players have limited control over their technical ability and injury susceptibility. If I had made the same comment about Ibe for being a shit footballer or a (physical) sick note, there is no way you would have responded in the same way as you just did. Read it back with that in mind and you'll see what I mean. But anybody with mental health issues is now totally immune from criticism for their inadequate performance. The pendulum is swinging too far in my opinion. I aren't having this discussion with you as you're clearly lacking both the intelligence and compassion to even begin to understand the subject matter. All I will say is that I hope you manage to get through the rest of your life without ever suffering any kind of mental health issue yourself because if you do, you'll be really fucking glad that the "pendulum" is where it is. Good day to you.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 2, 2021 13:41:18 GMT 1
As a football fan, you can call a player out for being not very good technically (e.g. Diakhaby) and those that are physically injured a lot. Players get dogs abuse for this, but ultimately the players have limited control over their technical ability and injury susceptibility. If I had made the same comment about Ibe for being a shit footballer or a (physical) sick note, there is no way you would have responded in the same way as you just did. Read it back with that in mind and you'll see what I mean. But anybody with mental health issues is now totally immune from criticism for their inadequate performance. The pendulum is swinging too far in my opinion. I aren't having this discussion with you as you're clearly lacking both the intelligence and compassion to even begin to understand the subject matter. All I will say is that I hope you manage to get through the rest of your life without ever suffering any kind of mental health issue yourself because if you do, you'll be really fucking glad that the "pendulum" is where it is. Good day to you. Mental health is an example of a sacred cow that has arisen over the last 10 years. Gender identity is another one. No sane person would publicly debate these subjects in the current climate. This is unhealthy, as you have demonstrated by closing down this debate, because you don't like my opinions. I personally do have mental health issues. For me, the triggers are related to the stressful work I do, and leave me feeling miserable and useless for a period of days. Never had these issues when I have taken an extended break from work, so I don't have sympathy for myself, as I could choose to find a less stressful job. Everybody's mental health situation is different and mine are mild and temporary, I get that. The rules of the game are that you cannot criticise somebody's performance if they have revealed the existence of mental health issues and you do not understand 100% of their mental health issues, which is obviously impossible. But hey, we can still pile in on Diakhaby and Pritchard, who we know 100% don't have mental health issues, don't we?
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Post by Champers on Jul 2, 2021 14:32:17 GMT 1
I aren't having this discussion with you as you're clearly lacking both the intelligence and compassion to even begin to understand the subject matter. All I will say is that I hope you manage to get through the rest of your life without ever suffering any kind of mental health issue yourself because if you do, you'll be really fucking glad that the "pendulum" is where it is. Good day to you. Mental health is an example of a sacred cow that has arisen over the last 10 years. Gender identity is another one. No sane person would publicly debate these subjects in the current climate. This is unhealthy, as you have demonstrated by closing down this debate, because you don't like my opinions. I personally do have mental health issues. For me, the triggers are related to the stressful work I do, and leave me feeling miserable and useless for a period of days. Never had these issues when I have taken an extended break from work, so I don't have sympathy for myself, as I could choose to find a less stressful job. Everybody's mental health situation is different and mine are mild and temporary, I get that. The rules of the game are that you cannot criticise somebody's performance if they have revealed the existence of mental health issues and you do not understand 100% of their mental health issues, which is obviously impossible. But hey, we can still pile in on Diakhaby and Pritchard, who we know 100% don't have mental health issues, don't we? Look, you started all this with a stupid comment about Bournemouth's chairman losing money on Ibe after already knowing that Ibe had gone publicly vocal about his issues. A chairman didn't get value for money, so fucking what? Using your own example, you're seemingly sticking up for Diakhaby there, which is absolutely fine. But say he comes out tomorrow and declares that he's contemplated suicide in the two years he was here, do we suddenly feel more sorry for Dean Hoyle or do we get a deeper understanding of what could be holding the players' career back in a major way? Your original comment was unnecessary.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 2, 2021 16:36:44 GMT 1
Mental health is an example of a sacred cow that has arisen over the last 10 years. Gender identity is another one. No sane person would publicly debate these subjects in the current climate. This is unhealthy, as you have demonstrated by closing down this debate, because you don't like my opinions. I personally do have mental health issues. For me, the triggers are related to the stressful work I do, and leave me feeling miserable and useless for a period of days. Never had these issues when I have taken an extended break from work, so I don't have sympathy for myself, as I could choose to find a less stressful job. Everybody's mental health situation is different and mine are mild and temporary, I get that. The rules of the game are that you cannot criticise somebody's performance if they have revealed the existence of mental health issues and you do not understand 100% of their mental health issues, which is obviously impossible. But hey, we can still pile in on Diakhaby and Pritchard, who we know 100% don't have mental health issues, don't we? Look, you started all this with a stupid comment about Bournemouth's chairman losing money on Ibe after already knowing that Ibe had gone publicly vocal about his issues. A chairman didn't get value for money, so fucking what? Using your own example, you're seemingly sticking up for Diakhaby there, which is absolutely fine. But say he comes out tomorrow and declares that he's contemplated suicide in the two years he was here, do we suddenly feel more sorry for Dean Hoyle or do we get a deeper understanding of what could be holding the players' career back in a major way? Your original comment was unnecessary. I have not insulted you or got aggressive with you. You have called my comment "stupid". You have said I lack "intelligence". You finished off your first post to me "Jesus fucking wept". You have started your last comment with the word "Look" which is always a bad start. All I intended to suggest in the original post were that other viewpoints are available. Apologies if that did not come across. I subsequently pointed out the hypocrisy of posting on a football forum where it is fair game to criticise players in the strongest terms for being shit, but only if they don't have documented and publicly known mental health issues. I know you think I don't sympathise with people who have mental health issues, but I can assure you I do in my own way. But if anybody tells me I am or other people are not allowed to hold the opinion that I/they do, which is what I feel you have done, then that is red rag to a bull. Hence the ensuing debate. Happy to end it there, if you are.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 2, 2021 17:36:38 GMT 1
Derby away, not Wycombe. Confirmed.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 2, 2021 18:31:38 GMT 1
Hopefully a big points deduction coming their way for this season.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 2, 2021 23:32:19 GMT 1
So how much do you think a club that owes over 50m, has contracted players we cant sell for what we paid and never made a profit except the 2 years it was in the premier league and doesnt own its ground actually worth then? How much would you be willing to pay in order to take on the situation the club was in at the time? I would have made an offer of £7m if I'd known the club was for sale. And would also have been able to prove you had the necessary finances in place to fund the annual losses expected under the fig and proper person test? Well done. Maybe you will be the one to take on the club after Phil then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 23:35:31 GMT 1
I would have made an offer of £7m if I'd known the club was for sale. And would also have been able to prove you had the necessary finances in place to fund the annual losses expected under the fig and proper person test? Well done. Maybe you will be the one to take on the club after Phil then. Yup no problem at all, at the specific time the club happened to be sold. Not possible now unfortunately, the opportunity has gone.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Jul 3, 2021 12:40:58 GMT 1
£100,000 fine? Well what a great deterrent. I'm sure other clubs will be quaking in their boots and this huuuuuge amount. A £100,000 fine equates to what these days in football? Players fine for being late for training a few times? Make the fine ten times that at least and we may see rules being adhered to.
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jul 3, 2021 16:02:31 GMT 1
EFL decides not to appeal the fine that has been imposed upon Derby, that means no points deduction next season.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 3, 2021 16:08:05 GMT 1
EFL decides not to appeal the fine that has been imposed upon Derby, that means no points deduction next season. Don't be so sure, they need to refile their accounts yet.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 3, 2021 16:16:29 GMT 1
£100,000 fine? Well what a great deterrent. I'm sure other clubs will be quaking in their boots and this huuuuuge amount. A £100,000 fine equates to what these days in football? Players fine for being late for training a few times? Make the fine ten times that at least and we may see rules being adhered to. Agree, utterly laughable.
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Post by leroy212 on Jul 3, 2021 16:38:59 GMT 1
£100,000 fine? Well what a great deterrent. I'm sure other clubs will be quaking in their boots and this huuuuuge amount. A £100,000 fine equates to what these days in football? Players fine for being late for training a few times? Make the fine ten times that at least and we may see rules being adhered to. Agree, utterly laughable. It's just an open book now to fiddle accounts, as in theory no future punishment can be worse than the fine derby have. As any other teams punished will just say look at what punishment derby got given.
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Post by griffa on Jul 3, 2021 17:29:49 GMT 1
Emailed Rick Parry - EFL to express my dissatisfaction with the fine imposed on Derby, an insult to Football Clubs playing by the rules. His email address is rparry@efl.com, or Trevor Birch - tbirch@efl.com why not let them know about your opinion! Incidentally he replied within 2 hours, thanking for the email & voicing my views, on decision made by the Independent Tribunal. Demanded that EFL ought to appeal against the fine.
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 3, 2021 18:22:00 GMT 1
Wow they are in a mess. I fancy us to sneak a point there on the opening day now I'd be more confident if they were down to their last 7
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Post by softboy on Jul 3, 2021 19:50:45 GMT 1
It is my understanding the fine is for breaching Accounting Procedures. Once their Accounts have been restated then the EFL can see whether they breached FFP. Given these will significantly increase their losses as the way they did it players values were shown at a much higher level than they would have done if they had used the correct Accounting Policies.I don't think they are out of the woods yet by a long way..
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Post by crux on Jul 3, 2021 20:00:04 GMT 1
Agree, utterly laughable. It's just an open book now to fiddle accounts, as in theory no future punishment can be worse than the fine derby have. As any other teams punished will just say look at what punishment derby got given. Don't really want to defend the EFL, especially as it's their responsibility to have all the rules and fines/punishments written down. However, the ruling from the independent panel left them with no option. The rules on player amortisation and punishment for not following them will now be published. Derby can't be retrospectively punished for this. However, the independent ruling means Derby have to resubmit their accounts (by 18th August I believe) following the correct rules. If, as is expected, Derby are found to have fallen foul of FFP rules they will be punished. This punishment could include a points deduction, depending on the size of the rule breaking, and the points will be deducted this season.
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