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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 19, 2021 22:44:42 GMT 1
There are some boring fuckers on this site banging the same tedious drum over and over.
Yes he’s a bullshitter, yes I wouldn’t want to get to know him particularly. And he looked like an absolute whopper in that t shirt.
But he’s the only owner the club has and the club needs our support now more than ever after the last few years and the pressures of COVID. He has the best interests of the club at heart and he’s actually making a pretty decent fist of things all told.
Why not look forward with some positivity instead of bitching and moaning. Some pedants would rather be right than show a bit of solidarity for the club they support. And if that’s you it makes you a bit of a wanker.
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Post by shawsie on May 19, 2021 22:50:06 GMT 1
Just listened to the full interview - not sure what more he can do now other than follow through and deliver on what he has said.
There is an acknowledgement mistakes have been made and that there is a need to unify the club again to succeed - its a start!
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Post by specialun on May 19, 2021 22:56:39 GMT 1
You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. With your last comment you're assuming all fans are against Carlos and Phil? As you've quoted he also said he knows how much he'll need to put in over the next 10 years, I don't think he said anything about immediate success. In the god knows how many years before Wagner's first 2 years did we have an "identity"? What even is it, the style of play? 1. Re assumption how many fans are against Carlos / Phil. I make no assumption how many for or against. I mean any fans against - whether 20% or 80% 2. Re immediate success - I didn’t suggest he did say we’d have immediate success? I’ve never expected that, I don’t next season. I always thought he was overly optimistic and unrealistic - since you raise it in July 2019 he made clear he expected to be in the top half when asked how he’d react if we were not in top half “If we are not top half then I will have to see where we are in the transition.” 2. Re Identity - Style of play / connection with fans. Re pre Wagner - agree with you. But the fans expect it as that was a big reason to appoint Corberan wasn’t it. Let’s remember what we were told re Carlos by Bromby… “He is very strong on the need for a team to have a strength of identity on the pitch; a way of playing that leaves players in no doubt on their roles when they step foot onto the grass. He believes in a high energy, high intensity, attacking style of play. “He is a coach whose focus is on working to improve players. Like us, he has a real belief in young players too, and desire to work with them to help them thrive” But to be clear - his interview is fine. My point is we’ve heard it 3 or 4 times now, pre and post pandemic. Hopefully he can start to deliver it now - in what is a huge summer for the club ahead of fans back and big turnover in players
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Post by keithAM11532 on May 19, 2021 22:59:06 GMT 1
The proof of the pudding will be the number of pages the Summer Transfer Thread gets to. At a mere 20 right now - and that was started in February FFS. If it cracks a 100 we have had a great window and can look forward to the next season with a bit of relish. if it flounders around 50 - expect the usual bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 22:59:20 GMT 1
Sounds promising...lots of signings. Remember the Stan Ternent summer with lots of signings? 😉
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on May 19, 2021 23:09:45 GMT 1
Feck me! There’s some reet self-entitled consumers whining away here.
All those who complained that PH didn’t communicate are now crucifying him...and for his fecking shirt too ! Give him a break, he’s actually communicating his detailed plans for the summer. FFS.
Whinge whinge whinge. Never happy. Thank God there’s still some real supporters here to help counteract the vapid consumers.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 19, 2021 23:11:56 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on May 19, 2021 23:27:03 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. I think its fair to say he maybe got a bit carried away when he first took over with some of his comments. Bit like a lifelong fan finding himself owning the club you might say. Also think you have to take into account comments like those you've given were pre covid. And covid has changed the financial landscape for both the club and for himself in terms of what he thought he'd be able to do.
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Post by specialun on May 19, 2021 23:41:27 GMT 1
You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. Do you think phil creating expectation unbeknown that we would enter a world wide pandemic justifies the vitriol he receives? Constructive criticism / challenging what he says v what happens - yes. As I say number of times vast majority not asking / expecting him to invest millions pandemic or no pandemic. He knew there was a pandemic in July, in October, in January etc Personal insults / abuse - no absolutely not. Not justified pandemic or otherwise
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Post by aca00js on May 19, 2021 23:45:01 GMT 1
We've heard the same stuff now for a few seasons so I'm not going to take his words and promises as facts. You have to be idiot though if you don't want him to deliver a good team
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Post by btwoowah on May 19, 2021 23:45:18 GMT 1
I think it’s perfectly possible to think PH is doing an ok job AND be pissed off that we’ll be going into next season with a bottom-six budget and Jordan Rhodes leading the line.
I’m managing it ok at any rate...
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Post by townrwe on May 20, 2021 0:00:00 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that.
My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right.
Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 20, 2021 0:01:15 GMT 1
I think it’s perfectly possible to think PH is doing an ok job AND be pissed off that we’ll be going into next season with a bottom-six budget and Jordan Rhodes leading the line. I’m managing it ok at any rate... Think you're right. Will we have a bottom 6 budget though? didn't catch all the interview but I know some have mentioned him saying we'll have the same wage budget we had in the promotion year. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be as low for the division as it was back then. Id imagine there's a lot of clubs in this division desperately trying to reduce their wage bills at the moment. We certainly won't be alone in that. End of the day its about being sustainable... and getting value for money. And whilst we've been paying an awful lot more, we haven't been getting anything remotely close to value for it for a long time.
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Post by btwoowah on May 20, 2021 0:47:11 GMT 1
I think it’s perfectly possible to think PH is doing an ok job AND be pissed off that we’ll be going into next season with a bottom-six budget and Jordan Rhodes leading the line. I’m managing it ok at any rate... Think you're right. Will we have a bottom 6 budget though? didn't catch all the interview but I know some have mentioned him saying we'll have the same wage budget we had in the promotion year. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be as low for the division as it was back then. Id imagine there's a lot of clubs in this division desperately trying to reduce their wage bills at the moment. We certainly won't be alone in that. End of the day its about being sustainable... and getting value for money. And whilst we've been paying an awful lot more, we haven't been getting anything remotely close to value for it for a long time. Ours was second lowest budget in 16/17, and would have been second lowest again in the most recently available accounts. I’ve been generous in bumping us up a couple of places because of ‘the new landscape’. A self-sustainable model has to be the way to go, but Jesus, it seems insane that we received one of the largest windfalls in football history, a slice of the biggest TV pie of all time. Jordon Rhodes for Christ’s sake. In a side that’s supposed to be being geared for a forward press.
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Post by ldotm on May 20, 2021 0:48:27 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on. Please delete this for your own sake.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on May 20, 2021 1:32:56 GMT 1
Same old bull shite that has been coming out of the club since PH took over. Hoping he spends some of the 30 million plus we have made in transfer fees over the last couple of years seen as DH has took back most of the Premier League money that was made. I will be renewing along with the other 6000 or so, or will I. Life goes on, yawn ......
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Post by Mounie for nothing on May 20, 2021 1:47:10 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on. I will quote you. Surprised you can spell IQ for a start. The way you express yourself doesn't impress that you have an IQ over 100. Still waiting for that bus full of Germans you predicted last season, so take the Newsnow gold subscription you own and kindly piss off. Sometimes it's nesessary for people to call you a cockwomble. And guessing your mensa is beneath that of a slightly......slow......c.......u.........n......................................... ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,. t
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Post by Amigo on May 20, 2021 3:00:10 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on. If Phil's interview did nothing else at least it helped create this post.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 4:17:33 GMT 1
Make no bones about it I am no fan of phil hodgkinson and uve been a very big critic of his! However listening to him then he came across really well and sounded as if he knows he's made mistakes and learned from them. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until the season starts when the signings are made then I'll make a real judgment on him. The only poor thing I didn't like was our budget is back to 2017. Gutting kenny I think cutting the wage budget to 2017level is reality because make no mistake a lot will be cutting there's a lot as well what's gone as gone only by trying to move foreword is the only way and while some will not accept his reasons I'm sure a lot more will and this difficult time fore football has a long way to go and for me town are trying to address it for the long term not just for now. Utt
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Post by terriers321 on May 20, 2021 6:14:38 GMT 1
We've heard the same stuff now for a few seasons so I'm not going to take his words and promises as facts. You have to be idiot though if you don't want him to deliver a good team Exactly what I was thinking. I'm not going to go and ridicule him, yet. But I also wont be taking his words as gospel. Actions speak louder than words, let's see what actually happens.
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Post by workshyfop on May 20, 2021 7:11:34 GMT 1
It was better from PH as he was admitting we had one of the lowest budgets in the division and wasn't giving it the big I am as he had on previous occasions. It's disappointing given the Premier League adventure that it counted for nothing when we'd all hoped it would give us a financial advantage, but as has been done to death that's the other fella's doing (although PH colluded in using the club's money to effectively buy the club and leaving us without the parachute payments to ease the blow of relegation). Anyway, all we can do is hope the recruitment is better this summer to give Carlos a chance to build a team. I think it's correct to back him as much as possible and give him a reasonable chance of succeeding, then hope for the best.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 20, 2021 7:23:20 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on.
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Post by Uddersfield on May 20, 2021 7:36:44 GMT 1
I thought he came across ok tbf, glad to see that the extra two players leaving are hopefully Bacuna and Mbenza by the sounds of it. Going to take some good deals for others to go which will then be re-invested.
Looking forward to what should be a completely new team next season
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Post by thomo on May 20, 2021 7:44:14 GMT 1
Believe he said our budget would be lower mid table. I’d class that as somewhere between 14th and 18th. Wasn’t our wage bill in the promotion season much higher than it had been before (£17 mil?) with Dean backing Wagner with the likes of Schindler and Lowe? Anyway his interview felt more genuine and positive than they have been in the past. He acknowledges a need to improve the squad and buy players to suit Carlos’ system. Of course it will start to unravel a bit if we sign Jordan Rhodes as our lead striker! 😂
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Post by detox on May 20, 2021 8:26:27 GMT 1
Didn't listen to the interview, thought it would be just more of the same...must do better, we will do better...I'll wait and see I think. What we've seen last season was very worrying, the direction of travel seemed all wrong and more worryingly some of Carlos's decisions seemed a bit odd too.We can only hope that Carlos can indeed make our youngsters better players so we're not reliant on stop gaps, but crucially for me is we bring in some genuine talent to just hold the side together during games. Next season if I see nabby Sarr prattling around in our own box again, running down blind alleys... I'm done.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 20, 2021 8:28:09 GMT 1
I may have misheard so hoping somebody can clarify.
PH said we've five almost done, RB, LB, GK, CB and Striker.
He then said we'd be looking to bring in eight players, which after the first five leaves three more.
Then he said we were looking at another CB, a holding midfielder, a ball playing midfielder, attacking midfielder, another for the wing and the forward positions, which obviously doesn't add up.
Was it 8 minimum and more based in the two leaving?
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Post by deo1 on May 20, 2021 8:46:15 GMT 1
Decent interview which sounds an honest one. The two players leaving will probably be Mbenza and Bacuna who we will get decent money for. Well I’ve bought in to what he wants to do and will be buying another season ticket. The proof will be in the pudding and he, town and Carlos can’t get this transfer window wrong otherwise the remaining trust he has with some fans and the tightrope Carlos is walking with the fans backing him will be gone. It’s a real watershed moment with town and this summer transfer window will either make or break the club, Hodgkinson and Corberan!!
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Post by tepidterrier on May 20, 2021 8:48:38 GMT 1
The first alarming part is that the staff didn't realise that the intense training was going to cause issues. I do wonder what's going on with them and considered making a thread about it. We seem to be so lacking in proper strength and conditioning training. Aside from Sarr and Hogg, all of our players seem so weedy and easy to muscle off the ball. Then the amount of soft tissue injuries in training, particularly to hamstrings, particularly to players adapting to the first team training regime (Aarons, Grant, and Jones off the top of my head). This is brushed aside as a coincidence whenever it's mentioned, but I think the two are linked. Proper strength and conditioning training targeting the hamstrings massively lessens the risk of injuries there but we don't seem to bother with it, or any dedicated S&C at all, as the fitness side of training seems to revolve around mileage.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 20, 2021 8:52:45 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. Spot on this, I don't know who these arseholes are, but I'd imagine they're feeling rather wounded by this. Shame on them. It's just a good job this forum is full of rational people who react to light hearted piss-takes when there's nowt else to talk about proportionately. Praise be.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 20, 2021 9:02:02 GMT 1
Think you're right. Will we have a bottom 6 budget though? didn't catch all the interview but I know some have mentioned him saying we'll have the same wage budget we had in the promotion year. But that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be as low for the division as it was back then. Id imagine there's a lot of clubs in this division desperately trying to reduce their wage bills at the moment. We certainly won't be alone in that. End of the day its about being sustainable... and getting value for money. And whilst we've been paying an awful lot more, we haven't been getting anything remotely close to value for it for a long time. Ours was second lowest budget in 16/17, and would have been second lowest again in the most recently available accounts. I’ve been generous in bumping us up a couple of places because of ‘the new landscape’. A self-sustainable model has to be the way to go, but Jesus, it seems insane that we received one of the largest windfalls in football history, a slice of the biggest TV pie of all time. Jordon Rhodes for Christ’s sake. In a side that’s supposed to be being geared for a forward press. Thats the frustration we all have. Probably no more so than Phil as he's the one having to steer the club round it. The insanity of that is a result of the insanity that we somehow managed to buy players like Pritchard, Mbenza, Kongolo, Diakhaby, Bacuna, Zanka, Flo, Sobhi, De Poitre, Mounie and one or two others for around £80-85m and will move them all on for a figure of something like £10m by the time we've done with it, having also shovelled millions upon millions more into their collective bank accounts in the process and those of their agents. Even in a particularly gloomy scenario, you would have expected to be able to recoup half of what you spent! So we are where we are with our windfall really. Just got to suck it up. Cant go back so there's little point dwelling on it.
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