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Jul 17, 2021 13:33:17 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:45:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Up to press you've been here barely 2 months. 103 posts. TWENTY SEVEN about otium ? Really ?

Also don't you think maybe you should get your feet under the table before telling us to delete whole boards off this site? If you don't like it stick with talk of the town . Simple

Last year I happened to mention you had nearly 50,000 posts and you threw a pissy fit at me, what’s it got to do with you,blah, blag blah. So why is it acceptable for you to not only go through his posting history but dissect who is mentioned ? Play by your own rules.

Thank you.

[morleyterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 13:08:46 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:45:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Up to press you've been here barely 2 months. 103 posts. TWENTY SEVEN about otium ? Really ?

Also don't you think maybe you should get your feet under the table before telling us to delete whole boards off this site? If you don't like it stick with talk of the town . Simple

You don't like Oti, you've come after me as I've interacted properly for the last 24 hours and it so happens to me giving my point across on a thread of someone you're not fond of.

I was asked what would I do and I said remove the Politics thread. As I've not been on here long, my input apparently doesn't count. I'm not a steady veteran like yourself.

I have no fascination with Oti, I responded because a life ban for anyone is draconian, so I discussed that.

You've got clever and tried to take the piss out of me claiming I'm obsessed. You're a complete fucking knob head if I'm honest.

Well said Halifax, well said.

[digs]

Jul 17, 2021 13:19:31 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Jul 17, 2021 13:15:03 GMT 1 digs said:

We fucked off about 10 years ago due to the admin at the time deleting our entire sub board,and coming out with the excuse that it was an accident by an imaginary admin called Terry,even today's admin aren't that stupid,

You fucked off because you got offended, then

edit: you're actually one of my favourite posters, and always lighthearted..so i dont want to get into an argument. But think you are letting yourself down with that by not looking at it objectively. what he wrote was down right homophobia, so call it what it is

We didn't abandon Datm,we still used it,trouble is when you do start another forum it's rather boring as you usually have the same views,it gets boring calling someone a twat,when they reply yes I am.
Hence the magic of Datm,differences of opinion make it work,so what I suppose I really mean is if you dont like it fuck off,but you'll probably get bored and come back🤔

[galpharm2400]

Jul 17, 2021 13:32:40 GMT 1 specialun said:

I take notice of his football posts - not because I always agree with them - but he has his own style, stimulates debate

I don’t know enough about the background to what he has / has not said historically

I’ve seen the homophobic comments copied on here which he’s supposedly said - If he has said those on this forum then they’re vile and indefensible

He did use the term 'deviant' but did put it into some context and did go on to explain his version of normal in relation to it. His version of normal being different to many others now. There wasnt any apparent malice or hate towards homosexuals and he was clear that it was none of his business what adults choose to do or are compelled to do.
I personally find screaming queens as annoying as 'hard men'(no pun intended) as the living the life at 100 decibels and demanding to tell you about their sexuality and gayness or manliness is wearing at best. Maybe Oti was more against this over the top, in your face need to tell everyone how gay you are, even when nobody is much interested and finds you annoying as the "chosen lifestyle'?
He made a few comments about Jews, they were in context of the subject he was positing about and there was truth in them. An orthodox or even a fully practising one might have found offence but I didnt. I dont find offence in truth, I find offence in opinion proferred as the truth and those that deny facts that dont suit them, hell many now wont even debate or argue their opinion or fact, they dont believe they have to, they are just right and the opposite opinion or fact should just never be allowed or heard.
Those people will be doubly shocked when their 'right' views and opinion now are cancelled in the future and they are not allowed to put them forward.

[4 pts]

Jul 17, 2021 11:37:38 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 11:26:50 GMT 1 4 pts said:

So if some faceless little c**t didn't directly abuse a specific footballer for missing a penalty, but instead posted that same opinion based on everyone of that ethnicity, then that would be OK  

You're basing it on an IF. If he did this or that, he hasn't however. He hasn't directed it at anyone and I understand but not agree with his views on being gay. As said religions are against it... You've then brought the race part, if he said this... He hasn't though. Ifs buts and maybes. It's very much different saying you don't agree with being gay, which is a view than saying you don't like a person of colour.

There are no ifs. Oti's opinion is that if a man is gay, then they are a deviant and in turn making anyone on here who happens to be gay, or not, pretty uncomfortable. 

I actually liked some of his stories which were both fantastic and hilarious, but using certain terms to describe a section of people is low imo. No need for it and from what has been said, warning upon warning issued.
For a self confessed intelligent man, stupidity has ultimately cost him 

Edit. I'm not even going to respond to the highlighted part

 

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Jul 17, 2021 14:03:18 GMT 1 4 pts said:

Jul 17, 2021 11:37:38 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

You're basing it on an IF. If he did this or that, he hasn't however. He hasn't directed it at anyone and I understand but not agree with his views on being gay. As said religions are against it... You've then brought the race part, if he said this... He hasn't though. Ifs buts and maybes. It's very much different saying you don't agree with being gay, which is a view than saying you don't like a person of colour.

There are no ifs. Oti's opinion is that if a man is gay, then they are a deviant and in turn making anyone on here who happens to be gay, or not, pretty uncomfortable. 

I actually liked some of his stories which were both fantastic and hilarious, but using certain terms to describe a section of people is low imo. No need for it and from what has been said, warning upon warning issued.
For a self confessed intelligent man, stupidity has ultimately cost him 

Edit. I'm not even going to respond to the highlighted part

 

It is different, you're entitled to your opinion anyway.

Think Oti has expressed it in a backwards way tbh as someone has highlighted further up. Think he's just been too blunt about it, not meaning malice. I may be wrong like.

[tepidterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 12:57:15 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:45:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Up to press you've been here barely 2 months. 103 posts. TWENTY SEVEN about otium ? Really ?

Also don't you think maybe you should get your feet under the table before telling us to delete whole boards off this site? If you don't like it stick with talk of the town . Simple

Sorry didn't realise I had to have 20,000 posts to be part of the gang on here.

You're part of the problem on here with that stance. I can't have a view to what I think would be a good idea cos I've not posted alot. Whopper

but you have posted a lot. if you kept your rate from today and yesterday up for a year you would actually have 20,000 posts, 9,000 of which would be about otium! 

you don't have to post a lot to make a substantive contribution to the forum at all, in fact often people who post less tend to post in more detail and put more consideration into what they write. you are both posting a lot and not really contributing anything we've not heard a thousand times before any time 'free speech' comes up on here. not your fault though as you've only been here a few months

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Jul 17, 2021 14:12:03 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:57:15 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Sorry didn't realise I had to have 20,000 posts to be part of the gang on here.

You're part of the problem on here with that stance. I can't have a view to what I think would be a good idea cos I've not posted alot. Whopper

but you have posted a lot. if you kept your rate from today and yesterday up for a year you would actually have 20,000 posts, 9,000 of which would be about otium! 

you don't have to post a lot to make a substantive contribution to the forum at all, in fact often people who post less tend to post in more detail and put more consideration into what they write. you are both posting a lot and not really contributing anything we've not heard a thousand times before any time 'free speech' comes up on here. not your fault though as you've only been here a few months

Posted alot the last 24 hours. I've 2 days off work, you won't see me another 4 weeks on here now. I just found it a bit mad with a life ban that's all.

You don't need to post alot you're right, but it's been made out to me that I'm inferior to him, which is highly odd. Do believe having politics on a football board is a bad recipe. Off Topic is actually alright for films, TV shows and what not. Politics and football don't mix as we all know.

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Jul 17, 2021 14:16:15 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 17, 2021 13:49:21 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Well said Halifax, well said.

Back slides the weasel

You love having swipes at folk. Why don't you just smile. You're a grown man, likely older than me, calling someone a playground name. It makes you look very sad bud

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 17, 2021 14:18:54 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:16:15 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Back slides the weasel

You love having swipes at folk. Why don't you just smile. You're a grown man, likely older than me, calling someone a playground name. It makes you look very sad bud

As opposed to calling someone a fucking knobhead. Happy to retire my name and send it you cos you've got chips on both shoulders.

Breathe and relax

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Jul 17, 2021 14:20:54 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:18:54 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

You love having swipes at folk. Why don't you just smile. You're a grown man, likely older than me, calling someone a playground name. It makes you look very sad bud

As opposed to calling someone a fucking knobhead. Happy to retire my name and send it you cos you've got chips on both shoulders.

Breathe and relax

Yes. You got called it for what you come across as and what you currently are to me. You chose me to swipe at. I didn't do anything or say anything remotely bad for you to try take the piss and then proceed to jump on that massive horse of yours because you've been here longer and my input is inferior.

For that, you are a fucking knobhead. So yeah, point still stands. If you can't understand why I've reacted, you may have some learning to do before retirement home. Antagonising for zero reason will get reactions, zero need is there?

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 17, 2021 14:24:13 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:20:54 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

As opposed to calling someone a fucking knobhead. Happy to retire my name and send it you cos you've got chips on both shoulders.

Breathe and relax

Yes. You got called it for what you come across as and what you currently are to me. You chose me to swipe at. I didn't do anything or say anything remotely bad for you to try take the piss and then proceed to jump on that massive horse of yours because you've been here longer and my input is inferior.

For that, you are a fucking knobhead. So yeah, point still stands. If you can't understand why I've reacted, you may have some learning to do before retirement home. Antagonising for zero reason will get reactions, zero need is there?

I just hope you haven't burst into tears . Take care of yourself its a scary world out there.. see ya xx

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Jul 17, 2021 14:25:34 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:24:13 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Yes. You got called it for what you come across as and what you currently are to me. You chose me to swipe at. I didn't do anything or say anything remotely bad for you to try take the piss and then proceed to jump on that massive horse of yours because you've been here longer and my input is inferior.

For that, you are a fucking knobhead. So yeah, point still stands. If you can't understand why I've reacted, you may have some learning to do before retirement home. Antagonising for zero reason will get reactions, zero need is there?

I just hope you haven't burst into tears . Take care of yourself its a scary world out there.. see ya xx

Nice and mature. I'm just calling you out for being what you are.

I rarely come on here tbh with working offshore, I will lose fuck all sleep over it. But your life revolves around this site Mr 50k Posts. Enjoy your weekend brother, don't piss your pants x

[morleyterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 14:28:46 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:25:34 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

I just hope you haven't burst into tears . Take care of yourself its a scary world out there.. see ya xx

Nice and mature. I'm just calling you out for being what you are.

I rarely come on here tbh with working offshore, I will lose fuck all sleep over it. But your life revolves around this site Mr 50k Posts. Enjoy your weekend brother, don't piss your pants x

Halifax, word of advice. Call it a day and don't get involved whatsoever. Plenty of good posters on here to debate with.

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Jul 17, 2021 14:31:23 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:28:46 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Nice and mature. I'm just calling you out for being what you are.

I rarely come on here tbh with working offshore, I will lose fuck all sleep over it. But your life revolves around this site Mr 50k Posts. Enjoy your weekend brother, don't piss your pants x

Halifax, word of advice. Call it a day and don't get involved whatsoever. Plenty of good posters on here to debate with.

Cheers. Yeah I'll take that advice, strange man

[morleyterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 14:33:35 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:31:23 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Halifax, word of advice. Call it a day and don't get involved whatsoever. Plenty of good posters on here to debate with.

Cheers. Yeah I'll take that advice, strange man

Trust me.

[Chips Longhorn]

Lol . Morley is back . The sun is shining. What more could we ask for

[Malvern Tom (WAHLS)]

If you post on here you have to accept that Ted is the self appointed Godfather of D. A. T. M. If you take an opposition view, he is like a dog with a bone, then all his little friends join in and shout you down. He's Fagin. I stopped visiting on here regularly when he called me a racist and all his minions piled on. (no, I've never met him, I just told him I was a nationalist) Otium is/was the most interesting and approachable poster on here. Ted didn't like him..... Bye Otium. Ted didn't like Nick...... Bye Nick. Ted's a bully.. Ted is passive aggressive.... Ted is obsessive about datm. Good luck Otium, bless you mate.

[merseysideterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 11:08:20 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 17, 2021 0:15:00 GMT 1 merseysideterrier said:

Thank you for engaging with my point constructively, refreshing to see that on the internet and I appreciate it.

I understand what you're saying but I have two issues. One, what if people browsing DATM (or other Town fans in general) are dealing with issues like the ones I discussed? And two, if Oti is willing to air those views here what's to say he doesn't in 'real life'?

I am pleased that the majority of posters agree that comments like those mentioned are unacceptable.

I also agree that barbaric views and practices in any religion should not be tolerated, and those found to be transgressing the secular law of the land should be punished severely. The harm done by religions across the world in this area is significantly worse than anything Oti has done, and that's why we need to press the Government to ensure Britain takes the lead in promoting inclusion, diversity and tolerance internationally. This shouldn't stop us from doing what we can in our own little corners of the country/the internet however.

Think anyone either openly gay or perhaps yet to come out as such is going to be fully aware that there are people in life who think that it is wrong or perverse or whatever. A sin if they're religious maybe.
If they happen to stroll onto our off topic section and start reading a discussion about sexuality, then is it really plausible that they would be in any way 'shocked' or surprised that an individual on it holds such negative views?

Id imagine they would actually expect a lot more of it than just the opinions of one man in truth, and If it happened id hope and presume they'd actually take solace and comfort from the fact it is such a lone voice amongst many.

I agree with captain Black in that there is a gradual decline of freedom of speech now.
Because we now have this utter intolerance to anyone being offended, or even the risk that they might be.
Problem with that is so many people are prepared to be offended and find things offensive.

Part of our drive to being so tolerant, is to be increasingly intolerant to anyone who isn't on board.. which is something of a paradox.

We can't just think someone is wrong anymore and brush them off as being a dick. They have to be silenced and punished for being wrong ( in the powers that be's opinion ) .. in case someone gets offended.
You see it all across the media, you see it in our universities, everywhere really.
there's people on off topic that I disagree with fundamentally on just about everything but id be outraged if they were silenced from giving their views ( dopey as they are ).

This suppression of opinion is a slippery slope IMO.
Historically all the worlds most evil regimes have had the same policy.

Cheers for the reply. I understand what you're saying, I pretty much disagree with everything you say but don't really have time to discuss point by point. Given it doesn't really matter what we think anyway I'm happy to let it lie if you are?

[westislandterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 14:34:42 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Lol . Morley is back . The sun is shining. What more could we ask for

What more could we ask for ? 

A good old run out for today’s squad and team at Southport Ted ! 
And of course a nice win... and definitely and probably most important NO INJURIES ! 

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 17, 2021 14:49:40 GMT 1 westislandterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:34:42 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Lol . Morley is back . The sun is shining. What more could we ask for

What more could we ask for ? 

A good old run out for today’s squad and team at Southport Ted ! 
And of course a nice win... and definitely and probably most important NO INJURIES ! 

Och ay tha noooo

[calken]

It reminds me of the days when I used to play football in the Sunday leagues. I was a skillful, light player who could move around quickly. I would always come across the players who would kick me as hard as they could, some would then choose to stand on me - assumedly to inflict as much damage as possible. The retort I would often get is, "if you can't hack Sunday league, you shouldn't play". After being fouled, I would just get up and continue playing.

The point is, I turned up to play football. I didn't turn up to be kicked or kick other people intentionally, especially with the specific purpose to cause harm. Others, had no intention of playing football - they just wanted to hurt somebody and the smaller the player, the better.

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Jul 17, 2021 12:51:08 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:36:38 GMT 1 bluestripe said:

That's a great post.

Free speech Vs making people uncomfortable and unwelcome on a social media platform is a complex area. From a personal perspective, I am fully supportive of any rules to ban homophobic and racist comments on this forum and any social media platform.

Opinions are opinions though, and you should be free to discuss them in a private conversation at home or down the pub with your mates. Otherwise, we are getting close to '1984'.

As a runner, I dislike dog owners. I accept it's a generalisation, and I appreciate there are considerate owners out there. But over the years, I have been bitten a couple of times and tripped a number of times, and on the whole owners do not apologise for failing to keep their dogs under control.

Why is this relevant? Only because, I would be free to abuse dog owners on this and any social media platform without censure. And many dog owners are very sensitive to criticism in my experience, and easily offended.

My question is a philosophical one. Why am I not allowed to abuse someone's sexual orientation or religion, but I am allowed to criticise dog owners or people with ginger hair?

NB. I don't think I should be criticising dog owners or ginger nuts or homosexuals on a football forum, and would be happy for all that to be in the rules.

The brief answer to your question is that dog owners haven't had to put up with being oppressed by society for decades or more because of being born a certain way. They haven't had to run daily gauntlets of abuse, haven't had to cover up who they really are for fear of violent reprisals etc, etc.

Abusing someone for the colour of their hair shouldn't be condoned at all, but I can't think of any examples where ginger people have been shunned by the whole of society or treat as second class citizens (or worse) because of their hair colour.

That's possibly because of two things, you are not one, a bit like those of one race not seeing the racism against another race; the whole of society is not the yard stick to measure by. Red headed pale skinned people are ridiculed in society quite commonly actually, I should know, being one. It not much different to my black nephews receiving comments about their colour, or left handed people being sinister. It's just being perceived differently.

[bluestripe]

Jul 17, 2021 14:51:40 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 17, 2021 14:49:40 GMT 1 westislandterrier said:

What more could we ask for ? 

A good old run out for today’s squad and team at Southport Ted ! 
And of course a nice win... and definitely and probably most important NO INJURIES ! 

Och ay tha noooo

Glad to hear regional** stereotyping is still allowed and going strong. 🤪

**Hope I haven't offended any Scots Nationalists with this word.

[Teddington Ted]

I’d forgotten about the time when Mel and his band of dimwit acolytes took their ball home and set up their own site.

It lasted about 4 days from memory, then they all came crawling back, filled with the knowledge that they were actually an insufferable bunch who, left to their own devices, were the dullest collection of blokes around.

How we laughed, it was very much like a prophesy of GB News.

[westislandterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 14:51:48 GMT 1 calken said:

It reminds me of the days when I used to play football in the Sunday leagues. I was a skillful, light player who could move around quickly. I would always come across the players who would kick me as hard as they could, some would then choose to stand on me - assumedly to inflict as much damage as possible. The retort I would often get is, "if you can't hack Sunday league, you shouldn't play". After being fouled, I would just get up and continue playing.

The point is, I turned up to play football. I didn't turn up to be kicked or kick other people intentionally, especially with the specific purpose to cause harm. Others, had no intention of playing football - they just wanted to hurt somebody and the smaller the player, the better.

Sounds just like Scottish footy then calken ! 
A lot of ‘agricultural’ type challenges take place up here across all four leagues and even worse in the junior leagues. 
Referees are very lenient in comparison to their counterparts in England and Europe in my opinion. 
In fact it’s been known that police divisional commanders have visited dressing rooms prior to Celtic v Rangers games and warned players about their behaviour and it’s implications on the partisan fans. 
Commentators up here say that referees are told to not book players for bad tackling too early in that one match. 
For me that then makes that league ‘irregular’ and unfair in that they would referee a say Hibernian v Dundee differently by booking these teams’ players early if desired for similar tackles...

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Jul 17, 2021 14:41:56 GMT 1 Malvern Tom (WAHLS) said:

If you post on here you have to accept that Ted is the self appointed Godfather of D. A. T. M. If you take an opposition view, he is like a dog with a bone, then all his little friends join in and shout you down. He's Fagin. I stopped visiting on here regularly when he called me a racist and all his minions piled on. (no, I've never met him, I just told him I was a nationalist) Otium is/was the most interesting and approachable poster on here. Ted didn't like him..... Bye Otium. Ted didn't like Nick...... Bye Nick. Ted's a bully.. Ted is passive aggressive.... Ted is obsessive about datm. Good luck Otium, bless you mate.

Oh, it happened to you two. How many more?

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 14:58:06 GMT 1 @htafc4steve said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:51:08 GMT 1 Champers said:

The brief answer to your question is that dog owners haven't had to put up with being oppressed by society for decades or more because of being born a certain way. They haven't had to run daily gauntlets of abuse, haven't had to cover up who they really are for fear of violent reprisals etc, etc.

Abusing someone for the colour of their hair shouldn't be condoned at all, but I can't think of any examples where ginger people have been shunned by the whole of society or treat as second class citizens (or worse) because of their hair colour.

That's possibly because of two things, you are not one, a bit like those of one race not seeing the racism against another race; the whole of society is not the yard stick to measure by. Red headed pale skinned people are ridiculed in society quite commonly actually, I should know, being one. It not much different to my black nephews receiving comments about their colour, or left handed people being sinister. It's just being perceived differently.

Please tell me that I've somehow misunderstood your post and that I haven't just seen you draw parallels between the personal abuse you have received for being red haired and what black people have been forced to suffer for generations.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 17, 2021 12:05:22 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 11:56:54 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

So on one hand you have one individual bloke on an obscure forum who 'might' have his opinions viewed by a gay person.
On the other you have a religion (s) that you know actively promotes that viewpoint to millions of people and you know suppresses the sexuality of hundreds of thousands of gay people.

We'll silence the individual,, but the mass promotion of this sexual intolerance can be ignored because they only promote it in their own religious group?
You know many muslims.. why dont you ask them if their views tally with otiums?

Your argument is like living next door to a family who have swastikas in their windows and you hear the sound of recordings of hitlers speeches drifting over the garden fence,, but you arent going to be concerned that they're nazis because they haven't mentioned it to you.

I drift down this road because its an outrageous anomaly in what is happening here.
If we're banning the views of an individual, then lets ban religion too, as in terms of scale and effect, the two are not even on the same stratosphere.

So the answer is 'no' then? You don't personally know of a single Muslim who openly promotes an anti-homosexual agenda? I mean, I know of at least FIFTY who don't, but I should still entertain your opinions on this, whatever the fuck they actually are?

You couldn't be more gammony if you had a fried egg and a pineapple ring on your noggin.

You have no idea whether they promote that kind of intolerance at all.
They're religious and the religion they practice does quite fervently, but you can pretend they dont because they've never tried to promote it to you.

Selective outrage it is then.

'gammon' is still a racist term by the way, so im guessing you have selective outrage about that kind of thing too.

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 15:41:30 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 17, 2021 12:05:22 GMT 1 Champers said:

So the answer is 'no' then? You don't personally know of a single Muslim who openly promotes an anti-homosexual agenda? I mean, I know of at least FIFTY who don't, but I should still entertain your opinions on this, whatever the fuck they actually are?

You couldn't be more gammony if you had a fried egg and a pineapple ring on your noggin.

You have no idea whether they promote that kind of intolerance at all.
They're religious and the religion they practice does quite fervently, but you can pretend they dont because they've never tried to promote it to you.

Selective outrage it is then.

'gammon' is still a racist term by the way, so im guessing you have selective outrage about that kind of thing too.

Is it fuck, you utter clown.