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Post by sensible idiot on Jul 17, 2021 21:31:11 GMT 1
One of the things that irritates me a tad is out of 3
Admins, 2 are a bit of a mystery to me, they post occasionally but administer quietly in the background accepting that it’s not all about them……
The third one …… hmmm
I know his real name, I have rough knowledge of what his job is, what his part time job is, generally where he lives, who some of his mates are, his political views etc etc etc.
I’ve seen him comment during arguments to the effect ‘if it was down to me, I’d have banned you’
He’s called a poster a c***
He ridiculed numerous other posters views if they don’t tally with his.
To me, that’s all fine BUT NOT FROM AN ADMIN!
If you want to be a ‘character’ on here then maybe don’t be an admin.
If there was a vacancy currently and Grim / BDG applied…. Do you reckon he’d get the job based on all of that?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 17, 2021 21:32:05 GMT 1
I don’t post much on here and nor do I want to enter this debate but I would make the following comments: This is a Huddersfield Town forum - posters will not agree about everything but therein lies the ground for healthy debate. There is no need to make ad hominem attacks on other posters and nor is it acceptable to use the language that I frequently see used. Going forward …. Can we all please either play nicely or not all? Do you want a job? |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 17, 2021 21:44:24 GMT 1
One of the things that irritates me a tad is out of 3 Admins, 2 are a bit of a mystery to me, they post occasionally but administer quietly in the background accepting that it’s not all about them…… The third one …… hmmm I know his real name, I have rough knowledge of what his job is, what his part time job is, generally where he lives, who some of his mates are, his political views etc etc etc. I’ve seen him comment during arguments to the effect ‘if it was down to me, I’d have banned you’ He’s called a poster a c*** He ridiculed numerous other posters views if they don’t tally with his. To me, that’s all fine BUT NOT FROM AN ADMIN! If you want to be a ‘character’ on here then maybe don’t be an admin. If there was a vacancy currently and Grim / BDG applied…. Do you reckon he’d get the job based on all of that? All good points, very good points. Perhaps Grimois would like to post links to some of his stand up comedy? Let's see how correct he really is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 22:02:08 GMT 1
Maybe it's time for an amnesty for all banned members who had more than 1000 posts (would weed-out the wind-up merchants)? For those who apply to the admins, reset their ban to a final warning.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2021 22:43:27 GMT 1
One of the things that irritates me a tad is out of 3 Admins, 2 are a bit of a mystery to me, they post occasionally but administer quietly in the background accepting that it’s not all about them…… The third one …… hmmm I know his real name, I have rough knowledge of what his job is, what his part time job is, generally where he lives, who some of his mates are, his political views etc etc etc. I’ve seen him comment during arguments to the effect ‘if it was down to me, I’d have banned you’ He’s called a poster a c*** He ridiculed numerous other posters views if they don’t tally with his. To me, that’s all fine BUT NOT FROM AN ADMIN! If you want to be a ‘character’ on here then maybe don’t be an admin. If there was a vacancy currently and Grim / BDG applied…. Do you reckon he’d get the job based on all of that? All good points, very good points. Perhaps Grimois would like to post links to some of his stand up comedy? Let's see how correct he really is. Seems to me you know a little bit too much about the admin guy, hopefully just coincidental 😁. It’s just a footy forum. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 17, 2021 22:45:44 GMT 1
One of the things that irritates me a tad is out of 3 Admins, 2 are a bit of a mystery to me, they post occasionally but administer quietly in the background accepting that it’s not all about them…… The third one …… hmmm I know his real name, I have rough knowledge of what his job is, what his part time job is, generally where he lives, who some of his mates are, his political views etc etc etc. I’ve seen him comment during arguments to the effect ‘if it was down to me, I’d have banned you’ He’s called a poster a c*** He ridiculed numerous other posters views if they don’t tally with his. To me, that’s all fine BUT NOT FROM AN ADMIN! If you want to be a ‘character’ on here then maybe don’t be an admin. If there was a vacancy currently and Grim / BDG applied…. Do you reckon he’d get the job based on all of that? So there is some logic in what you are saying. But what you are doing is criticising a poster for using foul mouthed insults to other posters . I'm sure you can see the irony in what you are saying? Seeing as you have done exactly the same to me on many occasions Please let's not say that the admins should be "above all that " . They are posters first and foremost and have a thankless task . I have issues with the way one performs this task but I realise the thanklessness of it all and let it pass . Ultimately their role is to.administer the rules of the board . Which ultimately (and regrettably imo) led to otium getting the ban . Bit which let's face it follows a string of bans and final warnings . Whilst I often disagree with them I wouldn't question the integrity of the admins . If grimois says something outside the rules and he is reported then I'd expect the other two to act with integrity. Be careful what you wish for |
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Jul 17, 2021 23:33:17 GMT 1
He won't be missed by me, and that's all I have to say on the matter.
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Post by sensible idiot on Jul 17, 2021 23:49:01 GMT 1
All good points, very good points. Perhaps Grimois would like to post links to some of his stand up comedy? Let's see how correct he really is. Seems to me you know a little bit too much about the admin guy, hopefully just coincidental 😁. It’s just a footy forum. Yup… but I only know this stuff cos he’s divulged it 😘 |
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Post by sensible idiot on Jul 17, 2021 23:55:18 GMT 1
One of the things that irritates me a tad is out of 3 Admins, 2 are a bit of a mystery to me, they post occasionally but administer quietly in the background accepting that it’s not all about them…… The third one …… hmmm I know his real name, I have rough knowledge of what his job is, what his part time job is, generally where he lives, who some of his mates are, his political views etc etc etc. I’ve seen him comment during arguments to the effect ‘if it was down to me, I’d have banned you’ He’s called a poster a c*** He ridiculed numerous other posters views if they don’t tally with his. To me, that’s all fine BUT NOT FROM AN ADMIN! If you want to be a ‘character’ on here then maybe don’t be an admin. If there was a vacancy currently and Grim / BDG applied…. Do you reckon he’d get the job based on all of that? So there is some logic in what you are saying. But what you are doing is criticising a poster for using foul mouthed insults to other posters . I'm sure you can see the irony in what you are saying? Seeing as you have done exactly the same to me on many occasions Please let's not say that the admins should be "above all that " . They are posters first and foremost and have a thankless task . I have issues with the way one performs this task but I realise the thanklessness of it all and let it pass . Ultimately their role is to.administer the rules of the board . Which ultimately (and regrettably imo) led to otium getting the ban . Bit which let's face it follows a string of bans and final warnings . Whilst I often disagree with them I wouldn't question the integrity of the admins . If grimois says something outside the rules and he is reported then I'd expect the other two to act with integrity. Be careful what you wish for I cannot really disagree with much that you have said there Ted….. ….. and just to be clear, I don’t have an issue with Grim / BDG as a poster….. or as an admin. I just think that the 2 don’t necessarily sit well together IF you are of the more opinionated type of person etc. Maybe he’s unlucky that the other 2 keep ‘in the background’ and this highlights his (possibly) more outgoing character ? |
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Post by lankystreak on Jul 18, 2021 4:49:57 GMT 1
The level of support for a man who posted such hate is genuinely beyond me. Personally the homophobic post quoted in this thread would instantly have been enough for a ban.
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Post by Niggled on Jul 18, 2021 5:51:47 GMT 1
There is a poll that shows 58% want him back , so you are in the minority.
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Post by captainblack on Jul 18, 2021 6:09:27 GMT 1
The level of support for a man who posted such hate is genuinely beyond me. Personally the homophobic post quoted in this thread would instantly have been enough for a ban. Many posters , including myself , did not agree with a lot of Oti's views , however I do believe he was still a good poster, but also admittedly controversial. My argument is against the severity of the ban. You are giving the man a lifetime ban who has only weeks left to live ,this seems a little bizarre, surely the admins could show a little compassion in this unusual case and except Oti's apology . |
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Post by rubicon on Jul 18, 2021 7:03:35 GMT 1
Sad to just see all this. yes he was controversial, and I certainly don't accept by any means his views as I've read only on this thread about homosexuality, even if I'd agree it no longer needs promoting with gay pride days and months every bloody year. When are we going to get a heterosexual day or whatever. Like most I'm completely ok with whatever people want to do sexuality wise, couldn't care less, but the battle has surely been won? Not obviously for Oti, but there seems to be a general lack of comprehension on here from many, that many people are not left wing, politically correct, woke bloody nonsense supporters. If DATM is going down the same road as the BBC and all the other claptrap organisations, then I'm in agreement, it's not worth the candle. He had much to say that was worth reading. I'm not in favour of a certain religion myself, whatever bloody colour anyone who supports it is. For all the obvious reasons, it subjugates women, makes some animals clean and unclean, and a load of other such nonsense. I feel exactly the same about fundamental Christians in the bible belt in the USA etc, picking up bloody snakes and what have you.
I've tried here to post an alternative view, that many people have, even if some posters don't like it. Will I get a ban or warning who knows, but what I do know, is that the art of debate is no longer allowed. It's all our way or no way, you'll be cancelled, and it seems Otium has now been cancelled. I wish him well in his fight against his health problems.
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Post by SW6 on Jul 18, 2021 7:14:03 GMT 1
Has he really offended anyone? I mean really or have some people felt they ought to be offended or he might offend someone who read it.
Hes very ill apparently which could be affecting him. A life ban could expire quite soon!
He does amuse some people some of the time. A reprieve may not last for too long either because of his health or his posting content?
In footballing terms he is more creative than Pirlo but he does need man marking by the admins, hey ho.
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Post by Niggled on Jul 18, 2021 7:24:04 GMT 1
Sad to just see all this. yes he was controversial, and I certainly don't accept by any means his views as I've read only on this thread about homosexuality, even if I'd agree it no longer needs promoting with gay pride days and months every bloody year. When are we going to get a heterosexual day or whatever. Like most I'm completely ok with whatever people want to do sexuality wise, couldn't care less, but the battle has surely been won? Not obviously for Oti, but there seems to be a general lack of comprehension on here from many, that many people are not left wing, politically correct, woke bloody nonsense supporters. If DATM is going down the same road as the BBC and all the other claptrap organisations, then I'm in agreement, it's not worth the candle. He had much to say that was worth reading. I'm not in favour of a certain religion myself, whatever bloody colour anyone who supports it is. For all the obvious reasons, it subjugates women, makes some animals clean and unclean, and a load of other such nonsense. I feel exactly the same about fundamental Christians in the bible belt in the USA etc, picking up bloody snakes and what have you. I've tried here to post an alternative view, that many people have, even if some posters don't like it. Will I get a ban or warning who knows, but what I do know, is that the art of debate is no longer allowed. It's all our way or no way, you'll be cancelled, and it seems Otium has now been cancelled. I wish him well in his fight against his health problems. Totally agree , well said sir |
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Post by dugnet on Jul 18, 2021 7:32:56 GMT 1
Sad to just see all this. yes he was controversial, and I certainly don't accept by any means his views as I've read only on this thread about homosexuality, even if I'd agree it no longer needs promoting with gay pride days and months every bloody year. When are we going to get a heterosexual day or whatever. Like most I'm completely ok with whatever people want to do sexuality wise, couldn't care less, but the battle has surely been won? Not obviously for Oti, but there seems to be a general lack of comprehension on here from many, that many people are not left wing, politically correct, woke bloody nonsense supporters. If DATM is going down the same road as the BBC and all the other claptrap organisations, then I'm in agreement, it's not worth the candle. He had much to say that was worth reading. I'm not in favour of a certain religion myself, whatever bloody colour anyone who supports it is. For all the obvious reasons, it subjugates women, makes some animals clean and unclean, and a load of other such nonsense. I feel exactly the same about fundamental Christians in the bible belt in the USA etc, picking up bloody snakes and what have you. I've tried here to post an alternative view, that many people have, even if some posters don't like it. Will I get a ban or warning who knows, but what I do know, is that the art of debate is no longer allowed. It's all our way or no way, you'll be cancelled, and it seems Otium has now been cancelled. I wish him well in his fight against his health problems. I don't have any issue with Otium per se, there are many times he makes me chuckle, there are times I roll my eyes and there are others when I yawn and readily move on. His current health challenges show the significant strength of his character. For this he has my admiration. My one observation would be is that he doesn't debate, more he expresses an opinion and qualifies with a tone that closes any debate ie I'm right and you lot are wrong. Of course he does this in the full knowledge that, and I've been guilty of this, that people will bite. He is the classic agent provocateur. The reason this forum has rules of what is deemed an acceptable is to ensure that discrimination and prejudice, casual or overt, is not tolerated and promoted. Condemning a whole section of the community because of any characteristic is just plain bigotry. No matter how you justify it. I find it baffling that such a fundamental premise is so hard for many to accept, or seen as infringing free speech. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 7:53:13 GMT 1
Sad to just see all this. yes he was controversial, and I certainly don't accept by any means his views as I've read only on this thread about homosexuality, even if I'd agree it no longer needs promoting with gay pride days and months every bloody year. When are we going to get a heterosexual day or whatever. Like most I'm completely ok with whatever people want to do sexuality wise, couldn't care less, but the battle has surely been won? Not obviously for Oti, but there seems to be a general lack of comprehension on here from many, that many people are not left wing, politically correct, woke bloody nonsense supporters. If DATM is going down the same road as the BBC and all the other claptrap organisations, then I'm in agreement, it's not worth the candle. He had much to say that was worth reading. I'm not in favour of a certain religion myself, whatever bloody colour anyone who supports it is. For all the obvious reasons, it subjugates women, makes some animals clean and unclean, and a load of other such nonsense. I feel exactly the same about fundamental Christians in the bible belt in the USA etc, picking up bloody snakes and what have you. I've tried here to post an alternative view, that many people have, even if some posters don't like it. Will I get a ban or warning who knows, but what I do know, is that the art of debate is no longer allowed. It's all our way or no way, you'll be cancelled, and it seems Otium has now been cancelled. I wish him well in his fight against his health problems. We seem to be of a very similar outlook on things, there’s a clamour for equality, which is fine but it seems some things are more equal than others. As you say Gay Pride Marches, Music of Black Origin Awards, Society of Black Lawyers etc etc no problem with any of them other than if it were Straight Pride Marches, Music of White Origin Awards, Society of White Lawyers etc etc there would be an outcry. No doubt the usual suspects will pour scorn on my views and tell me I’m wrong, don’t I realise how much more privileged you are and all the rest. For the record, a few years ago we stayed overnight in Lincoln to go to the Drill Hall for a show, the next morning happened to be Lincoln Gay Pride, starting right outside our hotel on the marina, we spent the morning there, bought a rainbow coloured dog collar which we put on our dog at the stall and bought another two to take home to a (lesbian) friend who has two dogs. As far as I’m aware all 3 dogs involved are straight. Does that help with my I’m not homophobic claims or not ? |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 7:57:54 GMT 1
Sad to just see all this. yes he was controversial, and I certainly don't accept by any means his views as I've read only on this thread about homosexuality, even if I'd agree it no longer needs promoting with gay pride days and months every bloody year. When are we going to get a heterosexual day or whatever. Like most I'm completely ok with whatever people want to do sexuality wise, couldn't care less, but the battle has surely been won? Not obviously for Oti, but there seems to be a general lack of comprehension on here from many, that many people are not left wing, politically correct, woke bloody nonsense supporters. If DATM is going down the same road as the BBC and all the other claptrap organisations, then I'm in agreement, it's not worth the candle. He had much to say that was worth reading. I'm not in favour of a certain religion myself, whatever bloody colour anyone who supports it is. For all the obvious reasons, it subjugates women, makes some animals clean and unclean, and a load of other such nonsense. I feel exactly the same about fundamental Christians in the bible belt in the USA etc, picking up bloody snakes and what have you. I've tried here to post an alternative view, that many people have, even if some posters don't like it. Will I get a ban or warning who knows, but what I do know, is that the art of debate is no longer allowed. It's all our way or no way, you'll be cancelled, and it seems Otium has now been cancelled. I wish him well in his fight against his health problems. I don't have any issue with Otium per se, there are many times he makes me chuckle, there are times I roll my eyes and there are others when I yawn and readily move on. His current health challenges show the significant strength of his character. For this he has my admiration. My one observation would be is that he doesn't debate, more he expresses an opinion and qualifies with a tone that closes any debate ie I'm right and you lot are wrong. Of course he does this in the full knowledge that, and I've been guilty of this, that people will bite. He is the classic agent provocateur. The reason this forum has rules of what is deemed an acceptable is to ensure that discrimination and prejudice, casual or overt, is not tolerated and promoted. Condemning a whole section of the community because of any characteristic is just plain bigotry. No matter how you justify it. I find it baffling that such a fundamental premise is so hard for many to accept, or seen as infringing free speech. Can you give a single example of a regular poster on here who has started out arguing “ABC” and then after a debating process said do you know what you’ve made me realise I was wrong ? |
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Post by offsideclyde on Jul 18, 2021 7:58:10 GMT 1
I don't post on here much but read almost daily.
I enjoy other people's views and opinions about all things Town.
My view is that he shouldn't be banned and to do so was wrong. How can we have admins behaving in a manner they do? Cannot be one rule for one and one for another. If we want to go down this road all posts from the last 15 years should be policed and any minute poor language/undertone of any of the isms should lead to life time bans.
Remember the cricket player who posted something at 18 ten years ago..... When does it all stop?
The art of debate has gone and I see no criminal offence in his post and for this alone he should be back on. He has also apologised for any offence caused too.
Let's do the right thing.
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Post by Metch on Jul 18, 2021 8:04:13 GMT 1
Homosexuals have been subjugated, discriminated and abused for centuries. Finally in these "enlightened" years they have the confidence to celebrate who they are through means such as Gay Pride celebrations and people take offence. Talk about being woke!! They don't force you to attend or send you for gay conversion therapy. Let them be who they want to be.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 8:18:04 GMT 1
Homosexuals have been subjugated, discriminated and abused for centuries. Finally in these "enlightened" years they have the confidence to celebrate who they are through means such as Gay Pride celebrations and people take offence. Talk about being woke!! They don't force you to attend or send you for gay conversion therapy. Let them be who they want to be. 6 minutes after my prediction as to what would follow, right on queue. What is it with all you ultra supporters, there will always be a small section that are racist, homophobic and the rest but why is it so hard to accept that the vast majority of people, occupying the middle ground are not worried about being forced into gay conversion therapy and all your other bullshit, we are happy to have what you claim to want, equality, but that’s not good enough for you for some reason. |
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Post by Metch on Jul 18, 2021 8:26:51 GMT 1
Homosexuals have been subjugated, discriminated and abused for centuries. Finally in these "enlightened" years they have the confidence to celebrate who they are through means such as Gay Pride celebrations and people take offence. Talk about being woke!! They don't force you to attend or send you for gay conversion therapy. Let them be who they want to be. 6 minutes after my prediction as to what would follow, right on queue. What is it with all you ultra supporters, there will always be a small section that are racist, homophobic and the rest but why is it so hard to accept that the vast majority of people, occupying the middle ground are not worried about being forced into gay conversion therapy and all your other bullshit, we are happy to have what you claim to want, equality, but that’s not good enough for you for some reason. Touché Going on about Heterosexual day and White day is a ludicrous comment and shows that you don't see the discrimination other people suffer. |
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 18, 2021 8:27:35 GMT 1
There is a poll that shows 58% want him back , so you are in the minority. Polls don't count for anything with the admins. When the transfer thread was moved to it's own board for some reason, there was an overwhelming vote in favour of returning it to the main board for ease of viewing and contributing. Nowt happened because an admin was in favour of the former, so balls to everyone else's opinion. It'll be the same with this. |
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Post by rubicon on Jul 18, 2021 8:44:20 GMT 1
6 minutes after my prediction as to what would follow, right on queue. What is it with all you ultra supporters, there will always be a small section that are racist, homophobic and the rest but why is it so hard to accept that the vast majority of people, occupying the middle ground are not worried about being forced into gay conversion therapy and all your other bullshit, we are happy to have what you claim to want, equality, but that’s not good enough for you for some reason. Touché Going on about Heterosexual day and White day is a ludicrous comment and shows that you don't see the discrimination other people suffer. Maybe you also don't see, as I pointed out, the battle has been won. Where is this discrimination, they have equal rights under the law, the same as the rest of us, to get married etc etc. If you don't think it has been won, can you please tell us when you think it will be? What will it take to get to that stage for you. It's the same with diversity. Every company in the UK has a diversity programme and training, but Stonewall still exists charging these companies thousands for a certificate to say so, and if they haven't got one, then they''ll be cancelled. ( Witness Ikea and such withdrawing advertising from GB News) Why is it you can't see, they're literally just making jobs for themselves, and it'll probably be three people in an upstairs room in Islington running it. The whole idea is heading in the same direction as communism or fascism, there's only one party, see it our way or get locked up, lose your income, become an outcast. Of course a heterosexual or white day are a ludicrous idea, but it seems you think the same will never apply to gay pride day, no matter how acceptable and equal they become. |
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Post by rubicon on Jul 18, 2021 8:48:20 GMT 1
As regards the man changing his mind on things, there were occasions, maybe not often that you could point out something to him, and he would realise and discuss with you.
He once wrote a piece blaming the 60s generation for all the ills he conceived, such as the loss of grammar schools, building of high rise tower blocks, ( that turned into ghettoes in the sky, and were built poorly and cheaply,) the loss of buildings like the old market in Huddersfield, Beeching cutting the railways, Roy Jenkins going from pro-active policing with bobbies on the streets, to retro-active policing, where they turn up after the event if you're lucky. The latter as the others, all done as cost saving exercises.
Whether you agree that they were the wrong or right thing to do, I put the point to him, that he and the papers were always blaming the 60s generation for these acts, which is clearly nonsense. How can, Harold Macmillan, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan or Ted Heath possibly be called the 60s generation. These atrocities ( and yes I'm as anti about them all as he was) were committed by a war generation, that had lived through one world war, their fathers through an earlier one, and simply wanted to create what they thought of, as a brave new world. I was born in 1952, so was a teenager in the 60s, regularly classing myself as a member of that generation, but couldn't even vote until 1970. I was certainly NOT to blame, or praise either if you're in favour of the changes.
Otium had the grace to accept, that at least I had a point of view, even if he didn't come right out and agree with it.
( Not getting into another war, was also the reason in the main for joining the common market, no matter how much it cost our fisherman, or overseas suppliers like New Zealand and Australia. They soon cut out the £10 passage, and who could blame them)
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 8:52:18 GMT 1
Touché Going on about Heterosexual day and White day is a ludicrous comment and shows that you don't see the discrimination other people suffer. Maybe you also don't see, as I pointed out, the battle has been won. Where is this discrimination, they have equal rights under the law, the same as the rest of us, to get married etc etc. If you don't think it has been won, can you please tell us when you think it will be? What will it take to get to that stage for you. It's the same with diversity. Every company in the UK has a diversity programme and training, but Stonewall still exists charging these companies thousands for a certificate to say so, and if they haven't got one, then they''ll be cancelled. ( Witness Ikea and such withdrawing advertising from GB News) Why is it you can't see, they're literally just making jobs for themselves, and it'll probably be three people in an upstairs room in Islington running it. The whole idea is heading in the same direction as communism or fascism, there's only one party, see it our way or get locked up, lose your income, become an outcast. Of course a heterosexual or white day are a ludicrous idea, but it seems you think the same will never apply to gay pride day, no matter how acceptable and equal they become. The battle hasn't been won. It's still ilegal to be gay in many parts of the world, punishable by death in some. The problem is, if you state the obvious, you'll be categorised in the "otium" bracket.  |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 18, 2021 9:06:14 GMT 1
This is the problem with most social media today.
You have to ‘state the obvious’ in a constructed, measured way and a lot of people struggle to put in to words what they actually mean, in turn the posters who then become offended by the post, and have a greater vocabulary, strike down the poster with the latest buzz word, twisting the original point to suit their own agendas.
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Post by rubicon on Jul 18, 2021 9:06:42 GMT 1
Maybe you also don't see, as I pointed out, the battle has been won. Where is this discrimination, they have equal rights under the law, the same as the rest of us, to get married etc etc. If you don't think it has been won, can you please tell us when you think it will be? What will it take to get to that stage for you. It's the same with diversity. Every company in the UK has a diversity programme and training, but Stonewall still exists charging these companies thousands for a certificate to say so, and if they haven't got one, then they''ll be cancelled. ( Witness Ikea and such withdrawing advertising from GB News) Why is it you can't see, they're literally just making jobs for themselves, and it'll probably be three people in an upstairs room in Islington running it. The whole idea is heading in the same direction as communism or fascism, there's only one party, see it our way or get locked up, lose your income, become an outcast. Of course a heterosexual or white day are a ludicrous idea, but it seems you think the same will never apply to gay pride day, no matter how acceptable and equal they become. The battle hasn't been won. It's still ilegal to be gay in many parts of the world, punishable by death in some. The problem is, if you state the obvious, you'll be categorised in the "otium" bracket. I live in the UK, was talking about the laws I live under. Are we fighting battles in other Countries then, because if we are, we'll lose like we tend to in wars these days. No amount of these marches and days in this country will have the slightest effect EVER in Saudi Arabia. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 9:13:14 GMT 1
The battle hasn't been won. It's still ilegal to be gay in many parts of the world, punishable by death in some. The problem is, if you state the obvious, you'll be categorised in the "otium" bracket. I live in the UK, was talking about the laws I live under. Are we fighting battles in other Countries then, because if we are, we'll lose like we tend to in wars these days. No amount of these marches and days in this country will have the slightest effect EVER in Saudi Arabia. I agree, in the Uk, in some aspects we have gone too far in embracing equality - but there is still work to be done in other areas. Worldwide though, it's a problem. When people are cheering on their heroes, and the media is telling us how fantastic Qatar have been at welcoming everybody for the world cup, if you are gay, you aren't welcome - and you could be sentenced to prison for your sexuality, and that is down to their prevailing religious faith and views. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 9:23:04 GMT 1
Are those wanting Oti back of the view that he should then continue to post whatever he likes even if what he posts is against the rules i.e. the rules don't apply to him for the duration, or do they trust him to post within the framework of what is allowed, despite the facts, he seems to be have given more chances than anyone else to comply?
Aa a compromise would it be possible to ban him from the Off topic Boards, and allow him to post only on the main Board and then only on footy related topics,which after all is what this Board is primarily about.
If he does want to post on political issues, there must be other forums about where he could do this. Is it really essential he has to do this on a footy forum where he appears incapable of respecting the rules?
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