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Post by rubicon on Jul 18, 2021 9:37:06 GMT 1
El Mel, I am certainly not disagreeing, and the war may be won in say Eastern European Countries and Russia some day, though I have my doubts. Taking on the likes of the Taliban and ISIS or whatever they're now called, is and will always be a pointless battle. If I was fighting it, which I have no intention of doing, ( who wants to lose or die for an unwinable cause?) then my first port of call would be the rights of women. A personal choice, but I'm married to a woman, and I'm not personally gay either. There is as you say, a long way to go.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 18, 2021 9:54:53 GMT 1
There is a poll that shows 58% want him back , so you are in the minority. Polls don't count for anything with the admins. When the transfer thread was moved to it's own board for some reason, there was an overwhelming vote in favour of returning it to the main board for ease of viewing and contributing. Nowt happened because an admin was in favour of the former, so balls to everyone else's opinion. It'll be the same with this. As I understand it, Otium has been deemed to have broken the forum rules. A poll to allow the rules to be broken is not valid in a normal society, otherwise the rules are then no longer credible. Cue anarchy. A more valid poll would be to change the rules, and allow the new rules to be applied retrospectively, so that Otium can be readmitted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:59:16 GMT 1
Polls don't count for anything with the admins. When the transfer thread was moved to it's own board for some reason, there was an overwhelming vote in favour of returning it to the main board for ease of viewing and contributing. Nowt happened because an admin was in favour of the former, so balls to everyone else's opinion. It'll be the same with this. As I understand it, Otium has been deemed to have broken the forum rules. A poll to allow the rules to be broken is not valid in a normal society, otherwise the rules are then no longer credible. Cue anarchy. A more valid poll would be to change the rules, and allow the new rules to be applied retrospectively, so that Otium can be readmitted. The rules are absolutely ridiculous for a start. I'm not condoning anything to do with racism or homophobia, but giving bans for people spelling wrong, either it be accidental or on purpose is absolutely ridiculous. If that annoys people, jesus wept. That spelling malarkey was brought in for one person, that person being Nick. Shows you whoever made them rules, had people in mind. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 10:19:58 GMT 1
As I understand it, Otium has been deemed to have broken the forum rules. A poll to allow the rules to be broken is not valid in a normal society, otherwise the rules are then no longer credible. Cue anarchy. A more valid poll would be to change the rules, and allow the new rules to be applied retrospectively, so that Otium can be readmitted. The rules are absolutely ridiculous for a start. I'm not condoning anything to do with racism or homophobia, but giving bans for people spelling wrong, either it be accidental or on purpose is absolutely ridiculous. If that annoys people, jesus wept. That spelling malarkey was brought in for one person, that person being Nick. Shows you whoever made them rules, had people in mind. Stop gripping. Someone owns this website, They can decide what changes, we can express views through polls, but we don't have a say at the end of the day and we don't carry the consequences if things go wrong. Find out who owns the website, then get in touch and tell them what you think needs to change. |
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Post by Town1971 on Jul 18, 2021 10:20:15 GMT 1
Are those wanting Oti's back of the view that he should then continue to post whatever he likes even if what he posts is against the rules i.e. the rules don't apply to him for the duration, or do they trust him to post within the framework of what is allowed, despite the facts, he seems to be have given more chances than anyone else to comply? Aa a compromise would it be possible to ban him from the Off topic Boards, and allow him to post only on the main Board and then only on footy related topics,which after all is what this Board is primarily about. If he does want to post on political issues, there must be other forums about where he could do this. Is it really essential he has to do this on a footy forum where he appears incapable of respecting the rules? I would love for the political thread to be removed from Off Topic all together.It has been and is toxic. The hard core group surely could find themselves another site to discuss their opinions. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jul 18, 2021 10:20:47 GMT 1
Thanks for posting Clark. The poll and reaction says it all. If the admins have any sense of fairness, and belief in democracy, they'll reverse the ban. On the poll, 159 people out of the several thousand who have viewed the thread want him back. That’s roughly 5%. The vast majority are happy with how things are. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 10:21:00 GMT 1
Are those wanting Oti's back of the view that he should then continue to post whatever he likes even if what he posts is against the rules i.e. the rules don't apply to him for the duration, or do they trust him to post within the framework of what is allowed, despite the facts, he seems to be have given more chances than anyone else to comply? Aa a compromise would it be possible to ban him from the Off topic Boards, and allow him to post only on the main Board and then only on footy related topics,which after all is what this Board is primarily about. If he does want to post on political issues, there must be other forums about where he could do this. Is it really essential he has to do this on a footy forum where he appears incapable of respecting the rules? I would love for the political thread to be removed from Off Topic all together.It has been and is toxic. The hard core group surely could find themselves another site to discuss their opinions. Don't read it. It's that simple. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 10:22:34 GMT 1
Thanks for posting Clark. The poll and reaction says it all. If the admins have any sense of fairness, and belief in democracy, they'll reverse the ban. On the poll, 159 people out of the several thousand who have viewed the thread want him back. That’s roughly 5%. The vast majority are happy with how things are. I'm surprised you've figured out turning on the internet, demonstrating that level of stupidity. |
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Post by Town1971 on Jul 18, 2021 10:25:22 GMT 1
I would love for the political thread to be removed from Off Topic all together.It has been and is toxic. The hard core group surely could find themselves another site to discuss their opinions. Don't read it. It's that simple. I rare!y do ! |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jul 18, 2021 10:38:45 GMT 1
On the poll, 159 people out of the several thousand who have viewed the thread want him back. That’s roughly 5%. The vast majority are happy with how things are. I'm surprised you've figured out turning on the internet, demonstrating that level of stupidity. From the man with no concept of the difference between race and ethnicity but who’ll bang on about it all day? Maybe it’s time you set up your own board again for you and both your mates? You can write your own rules then leave the rest of us out of this perpetual tedium. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 10:46:14 GMT 1
I'm surprised you've figured out turning on the internet, demonstrating that level of stupidity. From the man with no concept of the difference between race and ethnicity but who’ll bang on about it all day? Maybe it’s time you set up your own board again for you and both your mates? You can write your own rules then leave the rest of us out of this perpetual tedium. It's still set up actually. But you make a valid point. Maybe we do need another forum that isn't run by gammon hating lefties. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jul 18, 2021 10:51:12 GMT 1
From the man with no concept of the difference between race and ethnicity but who’ll bang on about it all day? Maybe it’s time you set up your own board again for you and both your mates? You can write your own rules then leave the rest of us out of this perpetual tedium. It's still set up actually. But you make a valid point. Maybe we do need another forum that isn't run by gammon hating lefties. Careful! Captain Slapper will call you a racist! Anyway, enough bickering. Don’t go really. Let’s enjoy a sunny Sunday rather than arguing like a pair of chumps. UTT. |
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Post by sabailand on Jul 18, 2021 11:49:17 GMT 1
Maybe you also don't see, as I pointed out, the battle has been won. Where is this discrimination, they have equal rights under the law, the same as the rest of us, to get married etc etc. If you don't think it has been won, can you please tell us when you think it will be? What will it take to get to that stage for you. It's the same with diversity. Every company in the UK has a diversity programme and training, but Stonewall still exists charging these companies thousands for a certificate to say so, and if they haven't got one, then they''ll be cancelled. ( Witness Ikea and such withdrawing advertising from GB News) Why is it you can't see, they're literally just making jobs for themselves, and it'll probably be three people in an upstairs room in Islington running it. The whole idea is heading in the same direction as communism or fascism, there's only one party, see it our way or get locked up, lose your income, become an outcast. Of course a heterosexual or white day are a ludicrous idea, but it seems you think the same will never apply to gay pride day, no matter how acceptable and equal they become. The battle hasn't been won. It's still ilegal to be gay in many parts of the world, punishable by death in some. The problem is, if you state the obvious, you'll be categorised in the "otium" bracket.  Problem is with stuff like this is the fact some who defend minorities/womens rights go deathly silent when it come to criticising another race/religion, places where if you`re gay its prison time or worse, the hypocricy on here at times is astounding, its much easier to go on about calling someone a puff in an online spat rather then criticise the places where it really is a serious problem, people jailed or killed are testemant to that. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 11:50:08 GMT 1
This is the problem with most social media today. You have to ‘state the obvious’ in a constructed, measured way and a lot of people struggle to put in to words what they actually mean, in turn the posters who then become offended by the post, and have a greater vocabulary, strike down the poster with the latest buzz word, twisting the original point to suit their own agendas. Yep, looking at that graphic, the first word that springs to mind is 'muslims' That makes me a racist in the eyes of some. Madness. They'll ignore the point I'm making about gay oppression and attack me for singling out a particular faith, even though it's quite clearly the biggest contributing factor to the results shown in the graphic. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 18, 2021 11:57:48 GMT 1
Polls don't count for anything with the admins. When the transfer thread was moved to it's own board for some reason, there was an overwhelming vote in favour of returning it to the main board for ease of viewing and contributing. Nowt happened because an admin was in favour of the former, so balls to everyone else's opinion. It'll be the same with this. As I understand it, Otium has been deemed to have broken the forum rules. A poll to allow the rules to be broken is not valid in a normal society, otherwise the rules are then no longer credible. Cue anarchy. A more valid poll would be to change the rules, and allow the new rules to be applied retrospectively, so that Otium can be readmitted. If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest you vote on this poll. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/115980/forum-rules-fit-purpose |
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Post by gammon on Jul 18, 2021 12:18:54 GMT 1
This is the problem with most social media today. You have to ‘state the obvious’ in a constructed, measured way and a lot of people struggle to put in to words what they actually mean, in turn the posters who then become offended by the post, and have a greater vocabulary, strike down the poster with the latest buzz word, twisting the original point to suit their own agendas. Yep, looking at that graphic, the first word that springs to mind is 'muslims' That makes me a racist in the eyes of some. Madness. They'll ignore the point I'm making about gay oppression and attack me for singling out a particular faith, even though it's quite clearly the biggest contributing factor to the results shown in the graphic. And Christians. Lots of them in Africa I think. Anyway Im not sure your right lots of wokeflakes these days deny attacking religions is racist just so they can be allowed to attack religions. |
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Post by Niggled on Jul 18, 2021 12:45:19 GMT 1
Thanks for posting Clark. The poll and reaction says it all. If the admins have any sense of fairness, and belief in democracy, they'll reverse the ban. On the poll, 159 people out of the several thousand who have viewed the thread want him back. That’s roughly 5%. The vast majority are happy with how things are. Twisting the facts to suit your own agenda, 440 members have been on and are allowed to vote. 3217 have viewed the board, but obviously can't vote. But don't let the facts get in the way of your maths. So the majority who are allowed to vote and have voted want him back . |
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Post by artysid on Jul 18, 2021 12:57:44 GMT 1
On the poll, 159 people out of the several thousand who have viewed the thread want him back. That’s roughly 5%. The vast majority are happy with how things are. Twisting the facts to suit your own agenda, 440 members have been on and are allowed to vote. 3217 have viewed the board, but obviously can't vote. But don't let the facts get in the way of your maths. So the majority who are allowed to vote and have voted want him back . How many of those who have voted, regardless of how they voted have a full understanding of the facts and exactly what went on that led to this, not just with maybe one post but with the history of how the admins have managed Oti's postings? I'd suggest none. That's why I wont be voting in this ridiculous poll. Because I don't know |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 18, 2021 12:59:28 GMT 1
Yep, looking at that graphic, the first word that springs to mind is 'muslims' That makes me a racist in the eyes of some. Madness. They'll ignore the point I'm making about gay oppression and attack me for singling out a particular faith, even though it's quite clearly the biggest contributing factor to the results shown in the graphic. And Christians. Lots of them in Africa I think. Anyway Im not sure your right lots of wokeflakes these days deny attacking religions is racist just so they can be allowed to attack religions. Hey - I’m loving this new portmanteau: wokeflake. I’m probably someone who fits the ‘wokeflake’ mantra peddled by right wing morons on GB news and rags like the Daily Mail though I don’t really properly understand the terminology. What makes it fit is simply having left of centre views in a heavily right wing dominated world. So I’ll hold my hand up to that even though very little offends me and I’ve never complained about a poor meal at a restaurant, never mind complained about someone on this forum. I am, though, fairly anti-religious and this covers most faiths as they pretty much follow the same pattern historically. Males imposing rules (often unwritten) on the conduct of others (often women and sceptics). Those who do not follow these rules (whether they are legitimate or not) eventually being harangued, harassed, persecuted, imprisoned,… |
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2021 13:00:59 GMT 1
I just want to say that I hope Otium's remaining time is as comfortable and fulfilling as possible. My thoughts are with him, his family and friends.
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 18, 2021 13:04:42 GMT 1
And there was me thinking this was a football forum.........
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 18, 2021 13:27:31 GMT 1
Oti will be lying back in his hammock (or waiting to board a plane), and if he's reading this, no doubt chuckling to himself that there's 16 pages about him after less than 48h...
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 18, 2021 13:28:59 GMT 1
Twisting the facts to suit your own agenda, 440 members have been on and are allowed to vote. 3217 have viewed the board, but obviously can't vote. But don't let the facts get in the way of your maths. So the majority who are allowed to vote and have voted want him back . How many of those who have voted, regardless of how they voted have a full understanding of the facts and exactly what went on that led to this, not just with maybe one post but with the history of how the admins have managed Oti's postings? I'd suggest none. That's why I wont be voting in this ridiculous poll. Because I don't know How many people who voted either remain or leave with regards to Brexit or for that matter Tory or Labour in the General Election know their arse from their elbow, yet their cross on a ballot slip is worth the same as an expert. |
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Post by Towner47 on Jul 18, 2021 13:38:49 GMT 1
Twisting the facts to suit your own agenda, 440 members have been on and are allowed to vote. 3217 have viewed the board, but obviously can't vote. But don't let the facts get in the way of your maths. So the majority who are allowed to vote and have voted want him back . How many of those who have voted, regardless of how they voted have a full understanding of the facts and exactly what went on that led to this, not just with maybe one post but with the history of how the admins have managed Oti's postings? I'd suggest none. That's why I wont be voting in this ridiculous poll. Because I don't know Exactly why I haven't and won't be voting .Unless you are devotee of the Politics board a lot of what is being discussed will be of no interest. I occasionally pop on there but it is not for me as it would appear to be for so many others |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:40:55 GMT 1
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Post by Towner47 on Jul 18, 2021 13:47:19 GMT 1
I enjoy the rest of Off Topic .
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Post by gammon on Jul 18, 2021 17:12:05 GMT 1
And Christians. Lots of them in Africa I think. Anyway Im not sure your right lots of wokeflakes these days deny attacking religions is racist just so they can be allowed to attack religions. Hey - I’m loving this new portmanteau: wokeflake. I’m probably someone who fits the ‘wokeflake’ mantra peddled by right wing morons on GB news and rags like the Daily Mail though I don’t really properly understand the terminology. What makes it fit is simply having left of centre views in a heavily right wing dominated world. So I’ll hold my hand up to that even though very little offends me and I’ve never complained about a poor meal at a restaurant, never mind complained about someone on this forum. I am, though, fairly anti-religious and this covers most faiths as they pretty much follow the same pattern historically. Males imposing rules (often unwritten) on the conduct of others (often women and sceptics). Those who do not follow these rules (whether they are legitimate or not) eventually being harangued, harassed, persecuted, imprisoned,… Exactly mate |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 17:21:17 GMT 1
Well he can’t post but I’m pretty sure he will have thoroughly enjoyed this thread.
The question for me is why didn’t all these posters with strong opinions on the rights and wrongs of how the board should be run put their hands up when another admin was needed a couple of months back?
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 18, 2021 18:10:57 GMT 1
Well he can’t post but I’m pretty sure he will have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. The question for me is why didn’t all these posters with strong opinions on the rights and wrongs of how the board should be run put their hands up when another admin was needed a couple of months back? Because they are a band-wagon jumping, two faced, mealy mouthed set of clots. |
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Jul 18, 2021 18:25:40 GMT 1
Well he can’t post but I’m pretty sure he will have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. The question for me is why didn’t all these posters with strong opinions on the rights and wrongs of how the board should be run put their hands up when another admin was needed a couple of months back? Because they are a band-wagon jumping, two faced, mealy mouthed set of clots. In the spirit of this thread and the rules, I thought I would point out you spelt "c****" wrong.... |
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