OTIUM

[turbo2]

Jul 20, 2021 22:01:51 GMT 1 @freire said:

Jul 16, 2021 23:45:32 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Different generations, you are from one where you will never have had the opportunity to meet characters, those that are a bit different and actually offer something different.

You can throw easy cheap shot sound bites out. There is a lot more to Otium and I and others have enjoyed his rhetoric.

And for the record, I have not always agreed with him. That’s the beauty though, I am from a generation where you can actually completely disagree on things and it’s okay.

Define character - was Hitler a character, Enoch Powell, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage...? Which bit of racism or homophobia is it okay to be? 

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

[htfctx]

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 20, 2021 22:01:51 GMT 1 @freire said:

Define character - was Hitler a character, Enoch Powell, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage...? Which bit of racism or homophobia is it okay to be? 

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

Hitler was a deviant.

[galpharm2400]

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 20, 2021 22:01:51 GMT 1 @freire said:

Define character - was Hitler a character, Enoch Powell, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage...? Which bit of racism or homophobia is it okay to be? 

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

It's ok not to accept homosexuality and to have nothing to do personally with those people. It's not actually an offence. You can discriminate every day in virtually every way as long as nobody proves it or your daft enough to admit it.
Open discrimination and open abuse or hate is illegal.
Billions do not accept or even tolerate homosexuality around the world. Its built into religions and cultures.
By the way I am in no way saying there are not exactly the same number of gay men and women in those places per head of population, it's just never going to anything other than hidden, ignored depending on who you are, illegal.
Found a woman once, beaten badly for smoking by the group that had a male child brothel set up around the corner. It's a weird world and it continues to show that huge anomalies exist.
Its eye opening actually experiencing how real hate goes on. We are doing ok here and we progress towards nirvana but we wont ever get there because humans are involved.

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Jul 21, 2021 14:52:08 GMT 1 cissystrutt74 said:

In the spirit of inclusiveness and diversity let's accuse any new posters of lieing!

Welcome one and all, not!

It's a fair point, actually. This place isn't always that welcoming at first.

Unless you're selling kitchens, in which case it's entirely justified!

[Stavros]

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 20, 2021 22:01:51 GMT 1 @freire said:

Define character - was Hitler a character, Enoch Powell, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage...? Which bit of racism or homophobia is it okay to be? 

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

[Mecha Corte]

Jul 21, 2021 14:20:34 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 21, 2021 12:16:16 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

Circumstantial, as is his potential IQ rating by Mensa, is Tedchipster actually your best friend ?

To be honest mate I'm waiting for the next post you write that illustrates you don't have a monumental chip on your shoulder. Please enlighten me as to why my name has come into this ?

No chips on either shoulder, l think twice, possibly 3 times I’ve made a light hearted reference to your claims after Otium was banned that you and he were good mates, having seen some of the jousts between you that came as something of a surprise to me. That’s all, nothing sinister ?

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 21, 2021 16:13:31 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

Jul 21, 2021 14:20:34 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

To be honest mate I'm waiting for the next post you write that illustrates you don't have a monumental chip on your shoulder. Please enlighten me as to why my name has come into this ?

No chips on either shoulder, l think twice, possibly 3 times I’ve made a light hearted reference to your claims after Otium was banned that you and he were good mates, having seen some of the jousts between you that came as something of a surprise to me. That’s all, nothing sinister ?

We aren't "good mates " . He's words on a screen . I know nothing about him aside from what he tells us. And he quite palpably tells big fibs . Nothing is personal for me . I'm a lot different in "real life ". Some of the folk on here who you would assume I would dislike are actually folk who I would happily have a pint with , and visa versa . Put me slapps and sabailand in a pub together I reckon it would be a blast for example.. what I do know about oti is that on a personal level he is extremely kind . And many is the occasion that we have exchanged pleasantries once the "panto" has died down . He sees it for what it is , like me , and doesn't take it too personal . He might not admit to regular bantz with a 'shivering otters pocket" but there you go . I know none of you so would never lie (knowingly )

[Mecha Corte]

Jul 21, 2021 16:51:38 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:13:31 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

No chips on either shoulder, l think twice, possibly 3 times I’ve made a light hearted reference to your claims after Otium was banned that you and he were good mates, having seen some of the jousts between you that came as something of a surprise to me. That’s all, nothing sinister ?

We aren't "good mates " . He's words on a screen . I know nothing about him aside from what he tells us. And he quite palpably tells big fibs . Nothing is personal for me . I'm a lot different in "real life ". Some of the folk on here who you would assume I would dislike are actually folk who I would happily have a pint with , and visa versa . Put me slapps and sabailand in a pub together I reckon it would be a blast for example.. what I do know about oti is that on a personal level he is extremely kind . And many is the occasion that we have exchanged pleasantries once the "panto" has died down . He sees it for what it is , like me , and doesn't take it too personal . He might not admit to regular bantz with a 'shivering otters pocket" but there you go . I know none of you so would never lie (knowingly )

So I was wrong to be surprised by your “positive comments” about him then ? I took it that you and him fought like cat and dog because you simply didn’t get on or see eye to eye.

[morleyterrier]

Jul 20, 2021 22:01:51 GMT 1 @freire said:

Jul 16, 2021 23:45:32 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Different generations, you are from one where you will never have had the opportunity to meet characters, those that are a bit different and actually offer something different.

You can throw easy cheap shot sound bites out. There is a lot more to Otium and I and others have enjoyed his rhetoric.

And for the record, I have not always agreed with him. That’s the beauty though, I am from a generation where you can actually completely disagree on things and it’s okay.

Define character - was Hitler a character, Enoch Powell, Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage...? Which bit of racism or homophobia is it okay to be? 

Oooooooooh, has that nasty Oti been upsetting you again with his words on a forum. Nasty Oti.

Let's hope you never have to deal with any real issues in life, you will fold like a pack of cards.

FFS.

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 21, 2021 16:58:56 GMT 1 Mecha Corte said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:51:38 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

We aren't "good mates " . He's words on a screen . I know nothing about him aside from what he tells us. And he quite palpably tells big fibs . Nothing is personal for me . I'm a lot different in "real life ". Some of the folk on here who you would assume I would dislike are actually folk who I would happily have a pint with , and visa versa . Put me slapps and sabailand in a pub together I reckon it would be a blast for example.. what I do know about oti is that on a personal level he is extremely kind . And many is the occasion that we have exchanged pleasantries once the "panto" has died down . He sees it for what it is , like me , and doesn't take it too personal . He might not admit to regular bantz with a 'shivering otters pocket" but there you go . I know none of you so would never lie (knowingly )

So I was wrong to be surprised by your “positive comments” about him then ? I took it that you and him fought like cat and dog because you simply didn’t get on or see eye to eye.

I like to look for the good in folk and he has many good qualities:-)

[Chips Longhorn]

And from his point of view. He either likes me enough to offer me tickets to away games including man utd, home games in the box and various meet ups... or maybe he juat wanted to lure me then punch my fucking lights out :-)

[Deleted]

Jul 21, 2021 18:05:27 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

And from his point of view. He either likes me enough to offer me tickets to away games including man utd, home games in the box and various meet ups... or maybe he juat wanted to lure me then punch my fucking lights out :-)

Or a truce and a piss up? Think happy thoughts Ted 

[morleyterrier]

I tried to meet up with Ted once, PM'd him just to have the opportunity Town fan to Town fan to chat and settle perhaps some old differences.

Declined by Ted though, I suspect on the basis that years of stalking and keyboard warrior posts he thought I may be planning to twat him. Justified as it may have been, I had no intention of doing so.

The offer still stands, I don't get on with everybody on here (but get on with most) but we are all Town fans and that for me is the overriding important thing. We are all Town fans and for that reason alone, you are all friends of mine.

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 21, 2021 18:12:22 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

I tried to meet up with Ted once, PM'd him just to have the opportunity Town fan to Town fan to chat and settle perhaps some old differences.

Declined by Ted though, I suspect on the basis that years of stalking and keyboard warrior posts he thought I may be planning to twat him. Justified as it may have been, I had no intention of doing so.

The offer still stands, I don't get on with everybody on here (but get on with most) but we are all Town fans and that for me is the overriding important thing. We are all Town fans and for that reason alone, you are all friends of mine.

Nah I wouldn't want to meet you . We have little in common . No offence . I don't feel the need to "settle differences " I'm not violent or aggressive . Nor even particularly argumentative. Believe it or.not

[Deleted]

Okay, last “proper” post on this from me. Genuinely thinking about giving myself a one-month ban for being “too woke” or something - when in actual fact, I just find this very tiring, and probably need to take a self-enforced break for my own MH.

Again, I don’t actually have an opinion either way on whether Oti should’ve been banned from a moral point-of-view; but from the point-of-view of the disciplinary process, I guess I do support it in consideration of the rules that we're all bound to.

I’ve seen three common, general arguments against the ban:

1. It’s an attack on free speech.
2. The word “deviant” can be interpreted in different ways.
3. People shouldn’t be chastised for attitudes that used to be considered absolutely fine.

I’m not going to bother with (1). I’ve tried to explain on here, as have others, the difference between free speech and discrimination, or speech without consequences. I’m not going into that again. If you don’t understand the difference between free speech and the idea that you can say whatever you like without consequences - I’m done trying to reason with you, personally.

Number two. Like Oti did when challenged some six months ago - because this goes back a while, folks - people seem to be jumping into the old Oxford dictionary to try to justify or excuse the term “deviant” when applied to homosexuality. I’m not going to get into that. What people seem to be missing, if you’ve been following this closely, is that his statements, historically, actually come down to three assertions:

1. Homosexuality is “deviance”
2. Homosexuality is “a perversion”
3. Homosexuality is “a mental illness”.

Debate the semantics of “deviant” all you like, but take the three in tandem and I just can’t see how that’s in any way defensible.

Number three. These attitudes used to be “the norm”. And I guess they did.

The idea that homosexuality is “deviant”, a ”perversion” or a sign of “mental illness” probably isn’t too far off whatever medieval attitudes were behind English law prior to 1967, when it was finally and belatedly decriminalised.

The following might sound like a curveball, a change of subject, or an inane and irrelevant example. I say it’s not.

If this is an unfair comparison, by all means call me out: an awful lot of the “my free speech is under attack” brigade seem to overlap to some extent with the people who just love to invoke the old “spirit of the Blitz” - or to bang on about WWII, basically. Even if that’s simply not true, even if you oppose the ban and couldn’t give two hoots about the war - hear me out.

I challenge anyone to name more than a handful of people who INDIVIDUALLY did more to “win” WWII than Alan Turning. If you’re not familiar with the name - I’m assuming most are - look up the Enigma machine. For an easily digestible overview, I recommend the film The Imitation Game.

Not even going to mention the fact that he also played a big part in you being able to read this now, because computers.

How did the Government reward him for cracking the German codes?

Well, because he was “a deviant”, “perverted” and possibly displayed “a mental illness”, the State chemically castrated him.

Stand to be corrected, but I’m not sure even child rapists get chemically castrated these days?

So, perhaps try to understand that even if these terms were considered “acceptable” fifty years ago, the fact that people push back on them now is nothing to do with “Cancel Culture”, it’s not “an attack on your free speech”, it’s about recognising that we have to move on as a society, that some absolute atrocities got committed in the past, and that discriminatory language ought to be called out. It ain’t about individuals “being fragile” and taking offence, it’s about recognising their historical significance, and wanting to move on as a society.

But yeah, you do you.

[Deleted]

Jul 21, 2021 18:19:51 GMT 1 @hukkas said:

Okay, last “proper” post on this from me. Genuinely thinking about giving myself a one-month ban for being “too woke” or something - when in actual fact, I just find this very tiring, and probably need to take a self-enforced break for my own MH.

Again, I don’t actually have an opinion either way on whether Oti should’ve been banned from a moral point-of-view; but from the point-of-view of the disciplinary process, I guess I do support it in consideration of the rules that we're all bound to.

I’ve seen three common, general arguments against the ban:

1. It’s an attack on free speech.
2. The word “deviant” can be interpreted in different ways.
3. People shouldn’t be chastised for attitudes that used to be considered absolutely fine.

I’m not going to bother with (1). I’ve tried to explain on here, as have others, the difference between free speech and discrimination, or speech without consequences. I’m not going into that again. If you don’t understand the difference between free speech and the idea that you can say whatever you like without consequences - I’m done trying to reason with you, personally.

Number two. Like Oti did when challenged some six months ago - because this goes back a while, folks - people seem to be jumping into the old Oxford dictionary to try to justify or excuse the term “deviant” when applied to homosexuality. I’m not going to get into that. What people seem to be missing, if you’ve been following this closely, is that his statements, historically, actually come down to three assertions:

1. Homosexuality is “deviance”
2. Homosexuality is “a perversion”
3. Homosexuality is “a mental illness”.

Debate the semantics of “deviant” all you like, but take the three in tandem and I just can’t see how that’s in any way defensible.

Number three. These attitudes used to be “the norm”. And I guess they did.

The idea that homosexuality is “deviant”, a ”perversion” or a sign of “mental illness” probably isn’t too far off whatever medieval attitudes were behind English law prior to 1967, when it was finally and belatedly decriminalised.

The following might sound like a curveball, a change of subject, or an inane and irrelevant example. I say it’s not.

If this is an unfair comparison, by all means call me out: an awful lot of the “my free speech is under attack” brigade seem to overlap to some extent with the people who just love to invoke the old “spirit of the Blitz” - or to bang on about WWII, basically. Even if that’s simply not true, even if you oppose the ban and couldn’t give two hoots about the war - hear me out.

I challenge anyone to name more than a handful of people who INDIVIDUALLY did more to “win” WWII than Alan Turning. If you’re not familiar with the name - I’m assuming most are - look up the Enigma machine. For an easily digestible overview, I recommend the film The Imitation Game.

Not even going to mention the fact that he also played a big part in you being able to read this now, because computers.

How did the Government reward him for cracking the German codes?

Well, because he was “a deviant”, “perverted” and possibly displayed “a mental illness”, the State chemically castrated him.

Stand to be corrected, but I’m not sure even child rapists get chemically castrated these days?

So, perhaps try to understand that even if these terms were considered “acceptable” fifty years ago, the fact that people push back on them now is nothing to do with “Cancel Culture”, it’s not “an attack on your free speech”, it’s about recognising that we have to move on as a society, that some absolute atrocities got committed in the past, and that discriminatory language ought to be called out. It ain’t about individuals “being fragile” and taking offence, it’s about recognising their historical significance, and wanting to move on as a society.

But yeah, you do you.

After a bit more consideration of me thinking he should be allowed back, I can absolutely understand him being banned, poorly or not. I'll hold my hands up and apologise 

[Deleted]

Jul 21, 2021 18:22:44 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

After a bit more consideration of me thinking he should be allowed back, I can absolutely understand him being banned, poorly or not. I'll hold my hands up and apologise 

Very magnanimous of you, and fair play.

[morleyterrier]

Jul 21, 2021 18:25:10 GMT 1 @hukkas said:

Jul 21, 2021 18:22:44 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

After a bit more consideration of me thinking he should be allowed back, I can absolutely understand him being banned, poorly or not. I'll hold my hands up and apologise 

Very magnanimous of you, and fair play.

Halifax is a good poster and clearly a decent Human being.

[Deleted]

Jul 21, 2021 18:27:31 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Jul 21, 2021 18:25:10 GMT 1 @hukkas said:

Very magnanimous of you, and fair play.

Halifax is a good poster and clearly a decent Human being.

Thanks Morley, I come on here in spurts due to work. Try not to annoy but try see points of view. Felt it harsh but seeing it all after more in depth, I see why he was and fully support admins. He doesn't mean it I'd say but that's no excuse 

[Captainslapper]

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

Do people who use that term also think its ok to call black people 'chocolate drops'?

Just wondering as there doesn't seem to be a difference between two terms, being as they both are based on the colour of someones skin being like a food item and used as a derogative insult.

Not that I enjoy pointing out rank hypocrisy and double standards in any way.

[goodbet]

How long are we going to keep this up?
1) this should be off topic

Otium has issues, and somehow too many threads on this forum end up being about Otium and his lifestyle etc. I don't have an issue with his posts but for some reason others don't like being presented with his lifestyle/fantasy's, you choose whatever you like.

I just find that it all just gets boring, please someone make up your mind and decide what you are going to do and end this.

[Stavros]

Jul 21, 2021 18:38:20 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

Do people who use that term also think its ok to call black people 'chocolate drops'?

Just wondering as there doesn't seem to be a difference between two terms, being as they both are based on the colour of someones skin being like a food item and used as a derogative insult.

Not that I enjoy pointing out rank hypocrisy and double standards in any way.

That's so daft as to not really deserve and answer, but anyway Gammon are white. They may get very red with anger but they are white. Black people are the colour of Chocolate (I guess) whether they're laid back or permanently angry and waving the Daily Express around. So it's a fucking ridiculous comparison. Not that I enjoy pointing it out in any way.

[turbo2]

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

So 2.4 billion followers you class as not mainstream. Wow.

[Stavros]

Jul 21, 2021 18:48:47 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

So 2.4 billion followers you class as not mainstream. Wow.

Eh? Well their bigotry isn't mainstream is it? However many of them there are. Cos we as a society frown on homophobia don't we? So they haven't been able to influence mainstream thinking see? Wow.

[Chips Longhorn]

Don't you just love it that over 2 billion people have juat been stereotyped as being homophobic. Only on datm

[El Mel]

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

Jul 21, 2021 15:04:03 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Good god. Hitler would probably have gassed you for being gay. Oti doesn’t like what you get upto behind closed doors.

1.2 billion catholics and 1.2 billion who follow Islam tend to agree with oti.

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

They do get to impose their ideas into mainstream society Stavros, just not the bit of society you live in.

[sapphireblue]

Jul 21, 2021 18:58:27 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

They do get to impose their ideas into mainstream society Stavros, just not the bit of society you live in.

What about my bit of society?
Please speak for me, too.

[sapphireblue]

Jul 21, 2021 18:38:20 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

Do people who use that term also think its ok to call black people 'chocolate drops'?

Just wondering as there doesn't seem to be a difference between two terms, being as they both are based on the colour of someones skin being like a food item and used as a derogative insult.

Not that I enjoy pointing out rank hypocrisy and double standards in any way.

Captain.
Is nicotine a poison?

[Stavros]

Jul 21, 2021 18:58:27 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 21, 2021 16:11:12 GMT 1 Stavros said:

In a free society they can whichever religion they choose. All 1.2 billion off them. But they don't get to impose their more unpleasant ideas onto mainstream society. I'd have thought the gammon amongst our message board would be pleased about that since you seem to all believe we're one step away from Sharia law. In any case, someone being a bigot because he was religiously indoctrinated to be one is terrible, but not nearly as bad as a supposed intelligent man of the world venting his bile in a public place. He could be a likeable guy 25% of the time Otium but there's no place on here for the other 75% of him. That's my two cents, and since you all believe in freedom of speech I'm sure you won't mind.

They do get to impose their ideas into mainstream society Stavros, just not the bit of society you live in.

You reckon? Maybe you're right. But you don't hear/speak homophobia on Telly, Radio, Papers, Magazines and it seems internet forums without consequences. Not even as a group of people in a pub or any other public place. That's my idea of mainstream society, but you might go to different pubs or know of underground society that I don't.

[El Mel]

Jul 21, 2021 19:04:51 GMT 1 Stavros said:

Jul 21, 2021 18:58:27 GMT 1 El Mel said:

They do get to impose their ideas into mainstream society Stavros, just not the bit of society you live in.

You reckon? Maybe you're right. But you don't hear/speak homophobia on Telly, Radio, Papers, Magazines and it seems internet forums without consequences. Not even as a group of people in a pub or any other public place. That's my idea of mainstream society, but you might go to different pubs or know of underground society that I don't.

Society exists outside of the pubs of Huddersfield msqte.